[MR. BURGESS]19LOC[MR. BURGESS] Thank20VVthank you21PPyou ,22,, Mr23NPMr .24SENT. Chief25NPChief Justice26NPJustice ,27,, and28CCand may29MDmay it30PPit please31VVplease the32DTthe Court33NPCourt :34:: The35DTthe Fifth36NPFifth Circu37NPCircu it38PPit 's39VBZbe decision40NNdecision should41MDshould be42VBbe reversed43VVNreverse for44INfor either45CCeither of46INof two47CDtwo independent48JJindependent reasons49NNSreason .50SENT. First51RBfirst ,52,, a53DTa Rule54NPRule 5955CD@card@ (56(( e57NNe )58)) motion59NNmotion filed60VVNfile within61INwithin 2062CD@card@ days63NNSday of64INof judgment65NNjudgment is66VBZbe part67NNpart of68INof the69DTthe first70JJfirst full71JJfull opportunity72NNopportunity to73TOto pursue74VVpursue habeas75NNShabea relief76NNrelief .77SENT. It78PPit is79VBZbe not80RBnot a81DTa second82JJsecond habeas83NNShabea application84NNapplication .85SENT. In86INin the87DTthe 5088CD@card@ years89NNSyear between90INbetween Rule91NPRule 5992CD@card@ 's93POS's adoption94NNadoption and95CCand AEDPA96NPAEDPA 's97POS's enactment98NNenactment ,99,, there100EXthere is101VBZbe no102DTno record103NNrecord of104INof a105DTa court106NNcourt ever107RBever treating108VVGtreat a109DTa timely110JJtimely Rule111NPRule 59112CD@card@ motion113NNmotion merely114RBmerely seeking115VVGseek reconsideration116NNreconsideration as117INas though118INthough it119PPit were120VBDbe a121DTa second122JJsecond habeas123NNShabea application124NNapplication .125SENT. AEDPA126NPAEDPA did127VVDdo not128RBnot change129VVchange this130DTthis settled131VVNsettle practice132NNpractice ,133,, and134CCand nothing135NNnothing in136INin this137DTthis Court138NPCourt 's139POS's Gonzalez140NPGonzalez decision141NNdecision suggests142VVZsuggest otherwise143RBotherwise .144SENT. Rule145NNrule 60146CD@card@ (147(( b148LSb )149)) motions150VVZmotion present151JJpresent obvious152JJobvious opportunities153NNSopportunity to154TOto circumvent155VVcircumvent AEDPA156NPAEDPA 's157POS's restrictions158NNSrestriction ,159,, as160INas the161DTthe facts162NNSfact in163INin Gonzalez164NPGonzalez itself165PPitself well166RBwell illustrate167VVPillustrate .168SENT. There169RBthere ,170,, the171DTthe motion172NNmotion was173VBDbe filed174VVNfile years175NNSyear after176INafter the177DTthe judgment178NNjudgment and179CCand well180RBwell after181INafter the182DTthe end183NNend of184INof any185DTany appellate186JJappellate proceedings187NNSproceeding .188SENT. Rule189NNrule 59190CD@card@ (191(( e192LSe )193)) motions194NNSmotion are195VBPbe different196JJdifferent .197SENT. They198PPthey have199VHPhave to200TOto be201VBbe filed202VVNfile within203INwithin 28204CD@card@ days205NNSday of206INof judgment207NNjudgment ,208,, they209PPthey suspend210VVPsuspend the211DTthe judgment212NNjudgment 's213POS's finality214NNfinality ,215,, and216CCand they217PPthey result218VVPresult in219INin a220DTa single221JJsingle appeal222NNappeal .223SENT. Second224RBsecond ,225,, by226INby dismissing227VVGdismiss Mr228NPMr .229SENT. Banister230NPBanister 's231POS's appeal232NNappeal as233INas untimely234RBuntimely ,235,, the236DTthe Fifth237NPFifth Circuit238NPCircuit effectively239RBeffectively penalized240VVDpenalize him241PPhim for242INfor following243VVGfollow the244DTthe plain245JJplain terms246NNSterm of247INof Appellate248NPAppellate Rule249NPRule 4250CD4 (251(( a252DTa )253)) .254SENT. There255EXthere 's256VBZbe no257DTno basis258NNbasis in259INin the260DTthe rule261NNrule or262CCor in263INin AEDPA264NPAEDPA for265INfor retroactively266RBretroactively recharacterizing267VVGrecharacterizing a268DTa timely269JJtimely Rule270NPRule 59271CD@card@ (272(( e273NNe )274)) motion275NNmotion and276CCand treating277VVGtreat it278PPit as279INas though280INthough it281PPit were282VBDbe never283RBnever filed284VVNfile for285INfor purposes286NNSpurpose of287INof Rule288NPRule 4289CD4 (290(( a291DTa )292)) .293SENT. On294INon this295DTthis issue296NNissue ,297,, Texas298NPTexas and299CCand the300DTthe United301NPUnited States302NPSStates notably303RBnotably rely304VVPrely on305INon a306DTa new307JJnew argument308NNargument ,309,, as310INas their311PP$their position312NNposition is313VBZbe that314IN/thatthat Mr315NPMr .316SENT. Banister317NPBanister 's318POS's Rule319NPRule 59320CD@card@ motion321NNmotion should322MDshould n't323RBn't count324VVcount because325INbecause it326PPit was327VBDbe n't328RBn't filed329VVNfile properly330RBproperly .331SENT. But332CCbut the333DTthe basic334JJbasic problem335NNproblem with336INwith that337DTthat argument338NNargument is339VBZbe there340EXthere 's341VBZbe no342DTno properly343RBproperly filed344VVNfile requirement345NNrequirement in346INin Rule347NPRule 4348CD4 (349(( a350DTa )351)) .352SENT. And353CCand we354PPwe think355VVPthink this356DTthis Court357NPCourt should358MDshould reject359VVreject the360DTthe government361NNgovernment 's362POS's invitation363NNinvitation to364TOto rewrite365VVrewrite the366DTthe plain367JJplain terms368NNSterm of369INof that370DTthat rule371NNrule ,372,, which373WDTwhich would374MDwould significantly375RBsignificantly complicate376VVcomplicate what377WPwhat is378VBZbe supposed379VVNsuppose to380TOto be381VBbe a382DTa clear383JJclear ,384,, straightforward385JJstraightforward jurisdictional386JJjurisdictional inquiry387NNinquiry and388CCand would389MDwould have390VHhave implications391NNSimplication for392INfor all393DTall civil394JJcivil proceedings395NNSproceeding in396INin addition397NNaddition to398TOto habeas399NNShabea .400SENT. I401PPI 'd402MDwould like403VVlike to404TOto start405VVstart with406INwith our407PP$our first408JJfirst argument409NNargument ,410,, and411CCand on412INon that413DTthat issue414NNissue ,415,, our416PP$our ...417:... our418PP$our rule419NNrule is420VBZbe clear421JJclear .422SENT. If423INif a424DTa motion425NNmotion is426VBZbe filed427VVNfile when428WRBwhen a429DTa court430NNcourt still431RBstill has432VHZhave authority433NNauthority to434TOto enter435VVenter or436CCor revise437VVrevise the438DTthe judgment439NNjudgment ,440,, before441INbefore any442DTany appeal443NNappeal ,444,, it445PPit is446VBZbe part447NNpart of448INof the449DTthe first450JJfirst habeas451NNShabea proceeding452NNproceeding .453SENT. As454INas a455DTa result456NNresult ,457,, cannot458MDcan be459VBbe a460DTa second461JJsecond petition462NNpetition .463SENT. That464DTthat ...465:... [JUSTICE GINSBURG]466LOC[JUSTICE GINSBURG] But467CCbut the468DTthe ...469:... but470CCbut the471DTthe motion472NNmotion is473VBZbe repetitive474JJrepetitive of475INof the476DTthe habeas477NNShabea petition478NNpetition .479SENT. That480DTthat is481VBZbe ,482,, it483PPit 's484VBZbe ...485:... and486CCand it487PPit 's488VBZbe made489VVNmake after490INafter the491DTthe entry492NNentry of493INof judgment494NNjudgment .495SENT. So496RBso ,497,, if498INif you499PPyou were500VBDbe thinking501VVGthink ,502,, is503VBZbe ...504:... is505VBZbe this506DTthis second507NNsecond ,508,, yes509UHyes ,510,, it511PPit is512VBZbe in513INin the514DTthe sense515NNsense that516IN/thatthat I517PPI said518VVDsay it519PPit in520INin my521PP$my habeas522NNShabea petition523NNpetition ,524,, and525CCand now526RBnow I527PPI 'm528VBPbe saying529VVGsay it530PPit again531RBagain in532INin my533PP$my Rule534NPRule 59535CD@card@ (536(( e537NNe )538)) motion539NNmotion .540SENT. It541PPit 's542VBZbe identical543JJidentical argument544NNargument ,545,, and546CCand it547PPit 's548VHZhave repeated549VVNrepeat a550DTa second551JJsecond time552NNtime .553SENT. [MR. BURGESS]554LOC[MR. BURGESS] Right555RBright .556SENT. But557CCbut we558PPwe think559VVPthink that560IN/thatthat can561MDcan 't562RB't be563VBbe the564DTthe test565NNtest for566INfor what567WPwhat counts568VVZcount as569INas being570VBGbe second571JJsecond or572CCor successive573JJsuccessive .574SENT. The575DTthe Court576NPCourt has577VHZhave noted578VVNnote that579IN/thatthat "580``" second581JJsecond or582CCor successive583JJsuccessive "584''" is585VBZbe a586DTa term587NNterm of588INof art589NNart .590SENT. So591RBso not592RBnot anything593NNanything that594WDTthat is595VBZbe literally596RBliterally filed597VVNfile after598INafter the599DTthe first600JJfirst application601NNapplication will602MDwill be603VBbe treated604VVNtreat as605INas second606JJsecond or607CCor successive608JJsuccessive .609SENT. For610INfor example611NNexample ,612,, an613DTan amended614VVNamend complaint615NNcomplaint is616VBZbe going617VVGgo to618TOto be619VBbe presenting620VVGpresent ,621,, you622PPyou know623VVPknow ,624,, claims625NNSclaim that626WDTthat could627MDcould be628VBbe overlapping629VVGoverlap again630RBagain .631SENT. [JUSTICE ALITO]632LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] What633WPWhat if634INif a635DTa pro636FWpro se637FWse ,638,, within639INwithin the640DTthe 28641CD@card@ days642NNSday ,643,, files644VVZfile what645WPwhat is646VBZbe styled647VVNstyle as648INas a649DTa petition650NNpetition ...651:... as652INas a653DTa second654JJsecond petition655NNpetition ?656SENT? [MR. BURGESS]657LOC[MR. BURGESS] We658PPwe ...659:... we660PPwe think661VVPthink it662PPit probably663RBprobably should664MDshould be665VBbe characterized666VVNcharacterize as667INas a668DTa Rule669NPRule 59670CD@card@ (671(( e672NNe )673)) motion674NNmotion in675INin that676DTthat context677NNcontext to678TOto the679DTthe extent680NNextent it681PPit is682VBZbe seeking683VVGseek to684TOto alter685VValter or686CCor amend687VVamend the688DTthe judgment689NNjudgment .690SENT. So691RBso ,692,, no693UHno ,694,, we695PPwe do696VVPdo n't697RBn't think698VVthink that699IN/thatthat that700WDTthat would701MDwould be702VBbe treated703VVNtreat as704RBas ...705:... as706INas being707VBGbe a708DTa second709JJsecond habeas710NNShabea application711NNapplication .712SENT. [JUSTICE GINSBURG]713LOC[JUSTICE GINSBURG] It714PPit would715MDwould ...716:... it717PPit would718MDwould have719VHhave to720TOto meet721VVmeet the722DTthe 28-day723JJ28-day ...724:... [MR. BURGESS]725LOC[MR. BURGESS] It726PPit would727MDwould ...728:... it729PPit would730MDwould have731VHhave to732TOto meet733VVmeet the734DTthe 28-day735JJ28-day deadline736NNdeadline ,737,, and738CCand ,739,, of740INof course741NNcourse ,742,, it743PPit would744MDwould n't745RBn't have746VHhave the747DTthe sort748NNsort of749INof effect750NNeffect under751INunder Rule752NPRule 4753CD4 (754(( a755DTa )756)) for757INfor suspending758VVGsuspend the759DTthe time760NNtime to761TOto appeal762VVappeal because763INbecause ,764,, to765TOto get766VVget that767DTthat suspension768NNsuspension ,769,, in770INin fact771NNfact ,772,, it773PPit actually774RBactually has775VHZhave to776TOto be777VBbe a778DTa motion779NNmotion ...780:... [JUSTICE ALITO]781LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] So782RBso ,783,, basically784RBbasically ,785,, what786WPwhat you787PPyou 're788VBPbe saying789VVGsay is790VBZbe that791IN/thatthat although792INalthough AEDPA793NPAEDPA restricts794VVZrestrict the795DTthe filing796NNfiling of797INof a798DTa second799JJsecond or800CCor successive801JJsuccessive habeas802NNShabea petition803NNpetition ,804,, a805DTa prisoner806NNprisoner can807MDcan ,808,, in809INin effect810NNeffect ,811,, file812VVfile a813DTa second814JJsecond or815CCor successive816JJsuccessive habeas817NNShabea petition818NNpetition ,819,, indeed820RBindeed ,821,, one822CDone that823WDTthat is824VBZbe styled825VVNstyle as826INas a827DTa habeas828NNShabea petition829NNpetition ,830,, so831RBso long832RBlong as833INas it834PPit 's835VBZbe done836VVNdo within837INwithin 28838CD@card@ days839NNSday ?840SENT? [MR. BURGESS]841LOC[MR. BURGESS] I842PPI mean843VVPmean ,844,, I845PPI think846VVPthink on847INon our848PP$our view849NNview or850CCor their851PP$their view852NNview ,853,, there854EXthere 's855VBZbe going856VVGgo to857TOto be858VBbe a859DTa cutoff860NNcutoff time861NNtime .862SENT. Certainly863RBcertainly ,864,, a865DTa petitioner866NNpetitioner could867MDcould file868VVfile something869NNsomething styled870VVNstyle as871INas "872``" here873RBhere is874VBZbe my875PP$my second876JJsecond habeas877NNShabea application878NNapplication "879''" while880INwhile the881DTthe first882JJfirst case883NNcase is884VBZbe still885RBstill pending886VVGpend ,887,, and888CCand every889DTevery court890NNcourt would891MDwould treat892VVtreat that893IN/thatthat as894INas a895DTa motion896NNmotion to897TOto amend898VVamend the899DTthe initial900JJinitial habeas901NNShabea application902NNapplication .903SENT. So904INso our905PP$our position906NNposition is907VBZbe only908RBonly that909IN/thatthat while910INwhile the911DTthe district912NNdistrict court913NNcourt still914RBstill has915VHZhave authority916NNauthority over917INover its918PP$its initial919JJinitial judgment920NNjudgment ,921,, before922INbefore there923EXthere 's924VBZbe a925DTa process926NNprocess to927TOto appeal928VVappeal ,929,, you930PPyou would931MDwould apply932VVapply the933DTthe same934JJsame rule935NNrule .936SENT. [JUSTICE ALITO]937LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] When938WRBwhen we939PPwe have940VHPhave two941CDtwo rules942NNSrule here943RBhere ,944,, two945CDtwo laws946NNSlaw here947RBhere ...948:... one949PPone is950VBZbe the951DTthe habeas952NNShabea statute953NNstatute which954WDTwhich was955VBDbe enacted956VVNenact by957INby Congress958NPCongress ;959:; the960DTthe other961JJother is962VBZbe a963DTa rule964NNrule governing965VVGgovern habeas966NNShabea proceedings967NNSproceeding which968WDTwhich took969VVDtake effect970NNeffect under971INunder the972DTthe Rules973NPSRules Enabling974VVGenable Act975NPAct ...976:... are977VBPbe they978PPthey of979INof equal980JJequal stature981NNstature ?982SENT? [MR. BURGESS]983LOC[MR. BURGESS] No984NPNo .985SENT. I986PPI mean987VVPmean ,988,, of989INof ...990:... the991DTthe ...992:... the993DTthe relevant994JJrelevant rule995NNrule here996RBhere ,997,, I998PPI think999VVPthink ,1000,, is1001VBZbe Habeas1002NNShabea Rule1003NPRule 121004CD@card@ ,1005,, which1006WDTwhich provides1007VVZprovide that1008IN/thatthat the1009DTthe Rules1010NPSRules of1011INof Federal1012NPFederal Civil1013NPCivil Procedure1014NPProcedure apply1015VVPapply as1016RBas default1017VVdefault unless1018INunless they1019PPthey are1020VBPbe inconsistent1021JJinconsistent with1022INwith AEDPA1023NPAEDPA ,1024,, with1025INwith the1026DTthe statute1027NNstatute ,1028,, or1029CCor any1030DTany habeas-specific1031NNhabeas-specific rule1032NNrule .1033SENT. [JUSTICE ALITO]1034LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] But1035CCbut since1036INsince the1037DTthe habeas1038NNShabea statute1039NNstatute was1040VBDbe actually1041RBactually enacted1042VVNenact by1043INby Congress1044NPCongress ...1045:... it1046PPit is1047VBZbe a1048DTa law1049NNlaw under1050INunder the1051DTthe Constitution1052NPConstitution ...1053:... should1054MDshould n't1055RBn't we1056PPwe take1057VVPtake special1058JJspecial care1059NNcare to1060TOto make1061VVmake sure1062JJsure that1063IN/thatthat it1064PPit is1065VBZbe heeded1066VVNheed and1067CCand not1068RBnot compromise1069VVcompromise it1070PPit based1071VVNbase on1072INon a1073DTa rule1074NNrule that1075WDTthat cannot1076MDcan alter1077VValter a1078DTa statute1079NNstatute ?1080SENT? [MR. BURGESS]1081LOC[MR. BURGESS] I1082PPI ...1083:... I1084PPI certainly1085RBcertainly agree1086VVPagree that1087IN/thatthat the1088DTthe statute1089NNstatute gets1090VVZget precedence1091NNprecedence ,1092,, but1093CCbut you1094PPyou have1095VHPhave to1096TOto interpret1097VVinterpret the1098DTthe key1099JJkey term1100NNterm ,1101,, "1102``" second1103JJsecond or1104CCor successive1105JJsuccessive .1106SENT. "1107''" And1108CCand on1109INon that1110DTthat term1111NNterm ,1112,, this1113DTthis Court1114NPCourt has1115VHZhave recognized1116VVNrecognize that1117IN/thatthat that1118DTthat 's1119VBZbe a1120DTa term1121NNterm of1122INof art1123NNart that1124WDTthat basically1125RBbasically carried1126VVDcarry forward1127RBforward pre-AEDPA1128NNpre-AEDPA practice1129NNpractice and1130CCand precedent1131NNprecedent as1132INas sort1133NNsort of1134INof relevant1135JJrelevant to1136TOto incorporating1137VVGincorporate it1138PPit .1139SENT. So1140INso AEDPA1141NPAEDPA no1142DTno doubt1143NNdoubt tightened1144VVDtighten the1145DTthe restrictions1146NNSrestriction on1147INon when1148WRBwhen a1149DTa second1150JJsecond or1151CCor successive1152JJsuccessive application1153NNapplication could1154MDcould be1155VBbe allowed1156VVNallow ,1157,, both1158DTboth sort1159NNsort of1160INof substantively1161RBsubstantively in1162INin terms1163NNSterm of1164INof when1165WRBwhen it1166PPit would1167MDwould be1168VBbe allowed1169VVNallow and1170CCand procedurally1171RBprocedurally you1172PPyou have1173VHPhave to1174TOto first1175RBfirst go1176VVgo to1177TOto the1178DTthe court1179NNcourt of1180INof appeals1181NNSappeal and1182CCand get1183VVget preclearance1184NNpreclearance .1185SENT. But1186CCbut ,1187,, in1188INin terms1189NNSterm of1190INof what1191WPwhat would1192MDwould count1193VVcount as1194INas being1195VBGbe second1196JJsecond or1197CCor successive1198JJsuccessive in1199INin the1200DTthe first1201JJfirst place1202NNplace ,1203,, that1204WDTthat 's1205VBZbe a1206DTa term1207NNterm of1208INof art1209NNart that1210WDTthat basically1211RBbasically carries1212VVZcarry forward1213RBforward .1214SENT. And1215CCand the1216DTthe other1217JJother side1218NNside has1219VHZhave ...1220:... has1221VHZhave not1222RBnot disagreed1223VVNdisagree with1224INwith our1225PP$our proposition1226NNproposition that1227IN/thatthat there1228EXthere 's1229VBZbe just1230RBjust no1231DTno evidence1232NNevidence that1233IN/thatthat Rule1234NPRule 591235CD@card@ (1236(( e1237LSe )1238)) motions1239VVZmotion ,1240,, merely1241RBmerely seeking1242VVGseek reconsideration1243NNreconsideration ,1244,, were1245VBDbe ever1246RBever treated1247VVNtreat as1248INas successive1249JJsuccessive petitions1250NNSpetition .1251SENT. [JUSTICE ALITO]1252LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] Well1253UHWell ,1254,, why1255WRBwhy would1256MDwould n't1257RBn't ...1258:... [CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS]1259LOC[CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS] What1260WPWhat if1261INif ...1262:... [JUSTICE ALITO]1263LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] ...1264:... what1265WPwhat ...1266:... I1267PPI 'm1268VBPbe sorry1269JJsorry .1270SENT. [CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS]1271LOC[CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS] I1272PPI ...1273:... I1274PPI do1275VVPdo n't1276RBn't know1277VVknow if1278INif this1279DTthis is1280VBZbe the1281DTthe same1282JJsame question1283NNquestion Justice1284NPJustice Alito1285NPAlito was1286VBDbe ...1287:... was1288VBDbe asking1289VVGask or1290CCor that1291IN/thatthat you1292PPyou answered1293VVDanswer ,1294,, where1295WRBwhere things1296NNSthing that1297WDTthat are1298VBPbe styled1299VVNstyle second1300JJsecond habeas1301NNShabea .1302SENT. But1303CCbut what1304WPwhat if1305INif it1306PPit is1307VBZbe exactly1308RBexactly the1309DTthe same1310JJsame thing1311NNthing ?1312SENT? I1313PPI mean1314VVPmean ,1315,, I1316PPI think1317VVPthink it1318PPit may1319MDmay be1320VBbe fairly1321RBfairly common1322JJcommon with1323INwith respect1324NNrespect to1325TOto pro1326FWpro se1327FWse petitioners1328NNSpetitioner .1329SENT. They1330PPthey just1331RBjust take1332VVPtake the1333DTthe habeas1334NNShabea petition1335NNpetition and1336CCand put1337VVput another1338DTanother cover1339NNcover on1340INon it1341PPit and1342CCand say1343VVPsay 171344CD@card@ 591345CD@card@ (1346(( e1347NNe )1348)) .1349SENT. Are1350VBPbe you1351PPyou still1352RBstill going1353VVGgo to1354TOto treat1355VVtreat that1356IN/thatthat as1357RBas ...1358:... as1359RBas not1360RBnot a1361DTa second1362JJsecond and1363CCand successive1364JJsuccessive habeas1365NNShabea petition1366NNpetition ?1367SENT? [MR. BURGESS]1368LOC[MR. BURGESS] I1369PPI think1370VVPthink within1371INwithin ...1372:... you1373PPyou know1374VVPknow ,1375,, our1376PP$our rule1377NNrule is1378VBZbe within1379INwithin the1380DTthe 281381CD@card@ days1382NNSday ,1383,, when1384WRBwhen the1385DTthe court1386NNcourt still1387RBstill has1388VHZhave authority1389NNauthority because1390INbecause ...1391:... and1392CCand ...1393:... and1394CCand the1395DTthe filing1396NNfiling of1397INof a1398DTa motion1399NNmotion can1400MDcan suspend1401VVsuspend the1402DTthe judgment1403NNjudgment ,1404,, that1405WDTthat ,1406,, no1407RBno ,1408,, we1409PPwe do1410VVPdo n't1411RBn't think1412VVthink that1413IN/thatthat that1414WDTthat should1415MDshould be1416VBbe treated1417VVNtreat ...1418:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]1419LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] How1420WRBHow about1421INabout putting1422VVGput the1423DTthe labels1424NNSlabel aside1425RPaside a1426DTa moment1427NNmoment ?1428SENT? One1429PPone could1430MDcould argue1431VVargue that1432IN/thatthat restyling1433VVGrestyling the1434DTthe first1435JJfirst as1436INas a1437DTa Rule1438NPRule 591439CD@card@ (1440(( e1441NNe )1442)) is1443VBZbe a1444DTa motion1445NNmotion for1446INfor reconsideration1447NNreconsideration .1448SENT. But1449CCbut how1450WRBhow about1451RBabout a1452DTa totally1453RBtotally new1454JJnew claim1455NNclaim ,1456,, one1457CDone that1458WDTthat indisputably1459RBindisputably is1460VBZbe not1461RBnot a1462DTa reconsideration1463NNreconsideration motion1464NNmotion but1465CCbut a1466DTa motion1467NNmotion to1468TOto amend1469VVamend basically1470RBbasically ...1471:... [MR. BURGESS]1472LOC[MR. BURGESS] Uh-huh1473NPUh-huh .1474SENT. [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]1475LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] ...1476:... to1477TOto add1478VVadd a1479DTa claim1480NNclaim ,1481,, something1482NNsomething like1483INlike what1484WPwhat happened1485VVDhappen in1486INin the1487DTthe one1488CDone decision1489NNdecision in1490INin those1491DTthose 501492CD@card@ years1493NNSyear that1494WDTthat did1495VVDdo say1496VVsay that1497IN/thatthat adding1498VVGadd a1499DTa due1500JJdue process1501NNprocess claim1502NNclaim was1503VBDbe an1504DTan abuse1505NNabuse of1506INof the1507DTthe writ1508NNwrit ,1509,, okay1510JJokay ?1511SENT? [MR. BURGESS]1512LOC[MR. BURGESS] Right1513NPRight .1514SENT. [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]1515LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] It1516PPit was1517VBDbe not1518RBnot a1519DTa proper1520JJproper 591521CD@card@ (1522(( e1523NNe )1524)) ;1525:; it1526PPit was1527VBDbe an1528DTan abuse1529NNabuse of1530INof the1531DTthe writ1532NNwrit because1533INbecause it1534PPit was1535VBDbe adding1536VVGadd a1537DTa new1538JJnew claim1539NNclaim .1540SENT. What1541WPWhat about1542INabout that1543DTthat situation1544NNsituation ?1545SENT? [MR. BURGESS]1546LOC[MR. BURGESS] So1547INso our1548PP$our position1549NNposition is1550VBZbe that1551IN/thatthat the1552DTthe right1553JJright way1554NNway to1555TOto think1556VVthink about1557RBabout that1558WDTthat is1559VBZbe ...1560:... is1561VBZbe exactly1562RBexactly that1563IN/thatthat it1564PPit is1565VBZbe not1566RBnot a1567DTa proper1568JJproper use1569NNuse of1570INof Rule1571NPRule 591572CD@card@ (1573(( e1574NNe )1575)) and1576CCand that1577IN/thatthat it1578PPit is1579VBZbe certainly1580RBcertainly going1581VVGgo to1582TOto fail1583VVfail for1584INfor that1585DTthat reason1586NNreason ,1587,, but1588CCbut it1589PPit should1590MDshould not1591RBnot be1592VBbe treated1593VVNtreat as1594INas a1595DTa second1596JJsecond habeas1597NNShabea application1598NNapplication if1599INif it1600PPit is1601VBZbe filed1602VVNfile within1603INwithin that1604DTthat time1605NNtime period1606NNperiod .1607SENT. That1608DTthat 's1609VBZbe how1610WRBhow the1611DTthe Third1612NPThird Circuit1613NPCircuit ,1614,, for1615INfor example1616NNexample ,1617,, in1618INin the1619DTthe Blystone1620NPBlystone decision1621NNdecision dealt1622VVNdeal with1623INwith that1624DTthat situation1625NNsituation .1626SENT. They1627PPthey said1628VVDsay ,1629,, no1630UHno ,1631,, this1632DTthis was1633VBDbe ...1634:... this1635DTthis was1636VBDbe a1637DTa ...1638:... styled1639VVNstyle as1640INas a1641DTa Rule1642NPRule 591643CD@card@ (1644(( e1645NNe )1646)) motion1647NNmotion .1648SENT. It1649PPit was1650VBDbe seeking1651VVGseek to1652TOto alter1653VValter or1654CCor amend1655VVamend a1656DTa judgment1657NNjudgment and1658CCand including1659VVGinclude adding1660VVGadd new1661JJnew claims1662NNSclaim .1663SENT. We1664PPwe do1665VVPdo n't1666RBn't think1667VVthink that1668IN/thatthat that1669DTthat 's1670VBZbe a1671DTa second1672JJsecond habeas1673NNShabea petition1674NNpetition ,1675,, but1676CCbut ,1677,, of1678INof course1679NNcourse ,1680,, you1681PPyou can1682MDcan 't1683RB't do1684VVPdo that1685IN/thatthat under1686INunder Rule1687NPRule 591688CD@card@ .1689SENT. Rule1690NNrule is1691VBZbe not1692RBnot something1693NNsomething you1694PPyou 're1695VBPbe supposed1696VVNsuppose to1697TOto be1698VBbe using1699VVGuse to1700TOto ...1701:... to1702TOto raise1703VVraise new1704JJnew claims1705NNSclaim .1706SENT. Now1707RBnow there1708EXthere is1709VBZbe a1710DTa fallback1711JJfallback position1712NNposition ,1713,, Chief1714NPChief Judge1715NPJudge Boggs1716NPBoggs in1717INin the1718DTthe Sixth1719NPSixth Circuit1720NPCircuit decision1721NNdecision ,1722,, and1723CCand his1724PP$his approach1725NNapproach was1726VBDbe then1727RBthen adopted1728VVNadopt by1729INby the1730DTthe Ninth1731JJninth Circuit1732NNcircuit ,1733,, which1734WDTwhich was1735VBDbe to1736TOto say1737VVsay that1738IN/thatthat if1739INif you1740PPyou are1741VBPbe basically1742RBbasically using1743VVGuse ...1744:... you1745PPyou know1746VVPknow ,1747,, you1748PPyou use1749VVPuse the1750DTthe title1751NNtitle Rule1752NPRule 591753CD@card@ ,1754,, but1755CCbut it1756PPit 's1757VBZbe clear1758JJclear that1759WDTthat 's1760VBZbe not1761RBnot what1762WPwhat you1763PPyou 're1764VBPbe doing1765VVGdo ,1766,, you1767PPyou 're1768VBPbe using1769VVGuse it1770PPit to1771TOto raise1772VVraise a1773DTa wholly1774RBwholly new1775JJnew claim1776NNclaim ,1777,, we1778PPwe think1779VVPthink that1780IN/thatthat that1781WDTthat would1782MDwould be1783VBbe potentially1784RBpotentially inconsistent1785JJinconsistent with1786INwith AEDPA1787NPAEDPA and1788CCand abusive1789JJabusive .1790SENT. [JUSTICE GORSUCH]1791LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] Is1792VBZbe it1793PPit ...1794:... is1795VBZbe ...1796:... is1797VBZbe ...1798:... [CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS]1799LOC[CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS] And1800CCand it1801PPit would1802MDwould be1803VBbe jurisdictional1804JJjurisdictional I1805PPI guess1806VVPguess in1807INin the1808DTthe sense1809NNsense that1810IN/thatthat it1811PPit would1812MDwould not1813RBnot toll1814VVtoll the1815DTthe statute1816NNstatute of1817INof limitations1818NNSlimitation or1819CCor the1820DTthe time1821NNtime ...1822:... I1823PPI mean1824VVPmean the1825DTthe time1826NNtime to1827TOto appeal1828VVappeal ?1829SENT? [MR. BURGESS]1830LOC[MR. BURGESS] If1831INif it1832PPit were1833VBDbe not1834RBnot a1835DTa ...1836:... if1837INif it1838PPit were1839VBDbe not1840RBnot a1841DTa real1842JJreal Rule1843NPRule 591844CD@card@ (1845(( e1846NNe )1847)) motion1848NNmotion ?1849SENT? [CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS]1850LOC[CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS] Yeah1851NPYeah ,1852,, the1853DTthe one1854CDone you1855PPyou just1856RBjust described1857VVDdescribe ,1858,, yeah1859RByeah .1860SENT. [MR. BURGESS]1861LOC[MR. BURGESS] Well1862UHwell ,1863,, I1864PPI think1865VVPthink the1866DTthe question1867NNquestion about1868RBabout whether1869INwhether it1870PPit 's1871VBZbe going1872VVGgo to1873TOto suspend1874VVsuspend the1875DTthe judgment1876NNjudgment turns1877VVZturn on1878RPon just1879RBjust whether1880INwhether it1881PPit is1882VBZbe seeking1883VVGseek Rule1884NPRule 591885CD@card@ (1886(( e1887NNe )1888)) relief1889NNrelief in1890INin terms1891NNSterm of1892INof whether1893INwhether it1894PPit is1895VBZbe actually1896RBactually seeking1897VVGseek to1898TOto alter1899VValter or1900CCor amend1901VVamend the1902DTthe judgment1903NNjudgment .1904SENT. And1905CCand if1906INif it1907PPit is1908VBZbe also1909RBalso raising1910VVGraise arguments1911NNSargument that1912IN/thatthat you1913PPyou just1914RBjust can1915MDcan 't1916RB't get1917VVget under1918INunder Rule1919NPRule 591920CD@card@ ,1921,, I1922PPI think1923VVPthink that1924WDTthat is1925VBZbe different1926JJdifferent .1927SENT. And1928CCand ,1929,, you1930PPyou know1931VVPknow ,1932,, this1933DTthis goes1934VVZgo to1935TOto our1936PP$our second1937JJsecond argument1938NNargument .1939SENT. But1940CCbut our1941PP$our position1942NNposition is1943VBZbe that1944IN/thatthat even1945RBeven ...1946:... on1947INon this1948DTthis second1949JJsecond piece1950NNpiece ,1951,, even1952RBeven if1953INif the1954DTthe motion1955NNmotion were1956VBDbe jurisdictionally1957RBjurisdictionally barred1958VVNbar ,1959,, that1960WDTthat does1961VVZdo not1962RBnot mean1963VVmean that1964IN/thatthat it1965PPit was1966VBDbe not1967RBnot filed1968VVNfile and1969CCand was1970VBDbe not1971RBnot pending1972VVGpend and1973CCand was1974VBDbe not1975RBnot disposed1976VVNdispose of1977INof as1978RBas ...1979:... as1980INas the1981DTthe language1982NNlanguage used1983VVNuse by1984INby Rule1985NPRule 181986CD@card@ 41987CD4 .1988SENT. [JUSTICE ALITO]1989LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] Well1990UHWell ,1991,, before1992INbefore you1993PPyou get1994VVPget to1995TOto that1996DTthat ,1997,, can1998MDcan we1999PPwe come2000VVcome back2001RBback to2002TOto what2003WPwhat we2004PPwe can2005MDcan or2006CCor can2007MDcan 't2008RB't infer2009VVinfer from2010INfrom pre-AEDPA2011NNpre-AEDPA practice2012NNpractice ?2013SENT? In2014INin those2015DTthose days2016NNSday ,2017,, whether2018INwhether to2019TOto entertain2020VVentertain a2021DTa second2022JJsecond or2023CCor successive2024JJsuccessive petition2025NNpetition was2026VBDbe within2027INwithin the2028DTthe discretion2029NNdiscretion of2030INof the2031DTthe district2032NNdistrict court2033NNcourt .2034SENT. So2035RBso how2036WRBhow natural2037NNnatural would2038MDwould it2039PPit be2040VBbe for2041INfor a2042DTa district2043NNdistrict court2044NNcourt in2045INin that2046DTthat situation2047NNsituation ,2048,, upon2049INupon receiving2050VVGreceive a2051DTa 592052CD@card@ (2053(( e2054NNe )2055)) motion2056NNmotion ,2057,, to2058TOto say2059VVsay before2060INbefore I2061PPI get2062VVPget to2063TOto this2064DTthis discretionary2065JJdiscretionary question2066NNquestion about2067RBabout whether2068INwhether I2069PPI would2070MDwould entertain2071VVentertain this2072DTthis if2073INif it2074PPit was2075VBDbe a2076DTa second2077JJsecond or2078CCor successive2079JJsuccessive petition2080NNpetition ,2081,, I2082PPI have2083VHPhave to2084TOto decide2085VVdecide whether2086INwhether it2087PPit is2088VBZbe something2089NNsomething that2090WDTthat has2091VHZhave to2092TOto be2093VBbe considered2094VVNconsider that2095RBthat or2096CCor can2097MDcan be2098VBbe considered2099VVNconsider a2100DTa Rule2101NPRule 592102CD@card@ (2103(( e2104NNe )2105)) motion2106NNmotion .2107SENT. Would2108MDwould n't2109RBn't there2110RBthere be2111VBbe a2112DTa natural2113JJnatural tendency2114NNtendency for2115INfor the2116DTthe judge2117NNjudge just2118RBjust to2119TOto jump2120VVjump to2121TOto the2122DTthe final2123JJfinal question2124NNquestion about2125RBabout whether2126INwhether the2127DTthe judge2128NNjudge is2129VBZbe going2130VVGgo to2131TOto entertain2132VVentertain it2133PPit in2134RPin ...2135:... as2136RBas ...2137:... as2138INas a2139DTa discretionary2140JJdiscretionary matter2141NNmatter ?2142SENT? [MR. BURGESS]2143LOC[MR. BURGESS] I2144PPI think2145VVPthink that2146WDTthat 's2147VBZbe quite2148RBquite right2149JJright ,2150,, but2151CCbut it2152PPit supports2153VVZsupport our2154PP$our point2155NNpoint because2156INbecause discretion2157NNdiscretion was2158VBDbe n't2159RBn't to2160TOto be2161VBbe open-ended2162JJopen-ended .2163SENT. Certainly2164RBcertainly ,2165,, after2166INafter this2167DTthis Court2168NPCourt 's2169POS's Coleman2170NPColeman decision2171NNdecision in2172INin 19862173CD@card@ dealing2174NNdealing with2175INwith the2176DTthe ends2177NNSend of2178INof justice2179NNjustice standard2180NNstandard ,2181,, the2182DTthe idea2183NNidea ,2184,, you2185PPyou know2186VVPknow ,2187,, a2188DTa plurality2189NNplurality opinion2190NNopinion of2191INof the2192DTthe Court2193NPCourt said2194VVDsay you2195PPyou had2196VHDhave to2197TOto make2198VVmake a2199DTa plausible2200JJplausible showing2201NNshowing of2202INof actual2203JJactual innocence2204NNinnocence in2205INin order2206NNorder to2207TOto bring2208VVbring a2209DTa successive2210JJsuccessive petition2211NNpetition .2212SENT. Even2213RBeven Justice2214NPJustice Stevens2215NPStevens in2216INin his2217PP$his concurrence2218NNconcurrence said2219VVDsay that2220IN/thatthat a2221DTa showing2222NNshowing of2223INof actual2224JJactual innocence2225NNinnocence was2226VBDbe relevant2227JJrelevant to2228TOto whether2229INwhether the2230DTthe ends2231NNSend ...2232:... the2233DTthe ends2234NNSend of2235INof justice2236NNjustice were2237VBDbe satisfied2238VVNsatisfy .2239SENT. I2240PPI think2241VVPthink it2242PPit makes2243VVZmake very2244RBvery little2245JJlittle sense2246NNsense to2247TOto think2248VVthink that2249IN/thatthat a2250DTa ...2251:... a2252DTa petitioner2253NNpetitioner would2254MDwould need2255VVneed to2256TOto ...2257:... merely2258RBmerely to2259TOto seek2260VVseek reconsideration2261NNreconsideration within2262INwithin 102263CD@card@ days2264NNSday of2265INof having2266VHGhave the2267DTthe order2268NNorder entered2269VVNenter is2270VBZbe going2271VVGgo to2272TOto need2273VVneed ...2274:... make2275VVmake a2276DTa plausible2277JJplausible showing2278NNshowing of2279INof actual2280JJactual innocence2281NNinnocence to2282TOto do2283VVdo that2284DTthat .2285SENT. So2286RBso it2287PPit was2288VBDbe not2289RBnot an2290DTan open-ended2291JJopen-ended the2292DTthe ...2293:... the2294DTthe judge2295NNjudge could2296MDcould do2297VVdo it2298PPit for2299INfor any2300DTany reason2301NNreason .2302SENT. The2303DTthe end2304NNend of2305INof justice2306NNjustice really2307RBreally cabined2308VVDcabined that2309DTthat discretion2310NNdiscretion .2311SENT. And2312CCand there2313EXthere 's2314VBZbe no2315DTno reason2316NNreason to2317TOto think2318VVthink that2319IN/thatthat courts2320NNScourt ever2321RBever thought2322VVDthink that2323IN/thatthat that2324WDTthat would2325MDwould be2326VBbe the2327DTthe standard2328NNstandard ,2329,, that2330WDTthat you2331PPyou would2332MDwould need2333VVneed to2334TOto satisfy2335VVsatisfy that2336IN/thatthat merely2337RBmerely to2338TOto seek2339VVseek reconsideration2340NNreconsideration .2341SENT. [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]2342LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] Mr2343NPMr .2344SENT. Burgess2345NPBurgess ,2346,, if2347INif I2348PPI 'm2349VBPbe understanding2350VVGunderstand your2351PP$your argument2352NNargument right2353NNright ,2354,, you2355PPyou 're2356VBPbe basically2357RBbasically saying2358VVGsay our2359PP$our definition2360NNdefinition of2361INof "2362``" second2363JJsecond and2364CCand successive2365JJsuccessive habeas2366NNShabea "2367``" should2368MDshould be2369VBbe defined2370VVNdefine by2371INby whether2372INwhether you2373PPyou had2374VHDhave a2375DTa first2376JJfirst full2377JJfull opportunity2378NNopportunity not2379RBnot just2380RBjust to2381TOto receive2382VVreceive a2383DTa judgment2384NNjudgment but2385CCbut to2386TOto appeal2387VVappeal that2388DTthat judgment2389NNjudgment .2390SENT. Yes2391UHyes ,2392,, yeah2393RByeah ,2394,, that2395WDTthat it2396PPit ...2397:... it2398PPit ...2399:... that2400IN/thatthat it2401PPit 's2402VBZbe the2403DTthe ...2404:... that2405IN/thatthat that2406DTthat first2407JJfirst judgment2408NNjudgment ,2409,, that2410WDTthat first2411JJfirst habeas2412NNShabea terminates2413VVZterminate at2414INat the2415DTthe time2416NNtime in2417INin which2418WDTwhich your2419PP$your appeal2420NNappeal terminates2421VVZterminate ...2422:... [MR. BURGESS]2423LOC[MR. BURGESS] We2424PPwe do2425VVPdo n't2426RBn't ...2427:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]2428LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] ...2429:... the2430DTthe right2431NNright to2432TOto it2433PPit .2434SENT. [MR. BURGESS]2435LOC[MR. BURGESS] So2436INso there2437EXthere are2438VBPbe courts2439NNScourt that2440WDTthat have2441VHPhave taken2442VVNtake that2443DTthat position2444NNposition that2445WDTthat ...2446:... that2447IN/thatthat the2448DTthe first2449JJfirst is2450VBZbe not2451RBnot over2452RBover until2453INuntil the2454DTthe whole2455JJwhole appellate2456JJappellate process2457NNprocess completes2458VVZcomplete .2459SENT. [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]2460LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] Right2461NPRight .2462SENT. [MR. BURGESS]2463LOC[MR. BURGESS] We2464PPwe ...2465:... we2466PPwe do2467VVPdo n't2468RBn't think2469VVthink the2470DTthe Court2471NPCourt needs2472VVZneed to2473TOto resolve2474VVresolve that2475IN/thatthat and2476CCand it2477PPit does2478VVZdo n't2479RBn't need2480VVneed to2481TOto go2482VVgo that2483IN/thatthat far2484RBfar to2485TOto rule2486VVrule in2487INin our2488PP$our favor2489NNfavor .2490SENT. [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]2491LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] Why2492WRBwhy not2493RBnot ?2494SENT? [MR. BURGESS]2495LOC[MR. BURGESS] Because2496INbecause ,2497,, in2498INin our2499PP$our situation2500NNsituation ,2501,, the2502DTthe court2503NNcourt ...2504:... the2505DTthe ...2506:... Mr2507NPMr .2508SENT. Banister2509NPBanister filed2510VVDfile his2511PP$his petition2512NNpetition within2513INwithin the2514DTthe 282515CD@card@ days2516NNSday when2517WRBwhen the2518DTthe district2519NNdistrict court2520NNcourt still2521RBstill had2522VHDhave discretion2523NNdiscretion or2524CCor still2525RBstill had2526VHDhave the2527DTthe ability2528NNability to2529TOto revise2530VVrevise the2531DTthe judgment2532NNjudgment .2533SENT. And2534CCand we2535PPwe think2536VVPthink that2537WDTthat 's2538VBZbe important2539JJimportant because2540INbecause ,2541,, as2542INas a2543DTa result2544NNresult of2545INof the2546DTthe way2547NNway Rule2548NPRule 592549CD@card@ (2550(( e2551LSe )2552)) operates2553VVZoperate in2554INin conjunction2555NNconjunction with2556INwith appellate2557JJappellate Rule2558NPRule 42559CD4 (2560(( a2561DTa )2562)) ,2563,, the2564DTthe filing2565NNfiling of2566INof it2567PPit suspends2568VVZsuspend the2569DTthe finality2570NNfinality of2571INof the2572DTthe judgment2573NNjudgment .2574SENT. It2575PPit means2576VVZmean that2577IN/thatthat everything2578NNeverything is2579VBZbe going2580VVGgo to2581TOto merge2582VVmerge into2583INinto a2584DTa single2585JJsingle appeal2586NNappeal ?2587SENT? [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]2588LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] Yes2589NPYes ,2590,, that2591WDTthat 's2592VBZbe ...2593:... I2594PPI 'm2595VBPbe sorry2596JJsorry .2597SENT. Then2598RBthen I2599PPI misspoke2600VVPmisspoke when2601WRBwhen I2602PPI spoke2603VVDspeak the2604DTthe way2605NNway I2606PPI did2607VVDdo .2608SENT. How2609WRBHow would2610MDwould you2611PPyou articulate2612VVarticulate your2613PP$your rule2614NNrule then2615RBthen ?2616SENT? [MR. BURGESS]2617LOC[MR. BURGESS] Sure2618NPSure .2619SENT. The2620DTthe rule2621NNrule that2622IN/thatthat we2623PPwe apply2624VVPapply is2625VBZbe that2626IN/thatthat if2627INif a2628DTa motion2629NNmotion is2630VBZbe filed2631VVNfile at2632INat a2633DTa time2634NNtime when2635WRBwhen the2636DTthe court2637NNcourt still2638RBstill has2639VHZhave authority2640NNauthority to2641TOto enter2642VVenter or2643CCor amend2644VVamend its2645PP$its judgment2646NNjudgment before2647INbefore any2648DTany potential2649JJpotential appeal2650NNappeal ,2651,, it2652PPit 's2653VBZbe still2654RBstill part2655NNpart of2656INof the2657DTthe first2658JJfirst habeas2659NNShabea proceeding2660VVGproceed rather2661RBrather than2662INthan a2663DTa second2664JJsecond application2665NNapplication .2666SENT. [JUSTICE GORSUCH]2667LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] Is2668VBZbe my2669PP$my recollection2670NNrecollection correct2671VVcorrect then2672RBthen ...2673:... please2674UHplease do2675VVdo tell2676VVtell me2677PPme it2678PPit 's2679VBZbe not2680RBnot if2681INif it2682PPit is2683VBZbe n't2684RBn't ...2685:... that2686DTthat Rule2687NNrule 592688CD@card@ motions2689NNSmotion are2690VBPbe discretionary2691JJdiscretionary in2692INin terms2693NNSterm of2694INof their2695PP$their treatment2696NNtreatment by2697INby the2698DTthe district2699NNdistrict court2700NNcourt and2701CCand reviewed2702VVNreview by2703INby ...2704:... for2705INfor abuse2706NNabuse of2707INof discretion2708NNdiscretion by2709INby ...2710:... by2711INby the2712DTthe courts2713NNScourt of2714INof appeals2715NNSappeal ?2716SENT? [MR. BURGESS]2717LOC[MR. BURGESS] That2718DTthat 's2719VBZbe the2720DTthe correct2721JJcorrect standard2722NNstandard of2723INof review2724NNreview ,2725,, that2726WDTthat 's2727VBZbe right2728JJright .2729SENT. In2730INin terms2731NNSterm of2732INof like2733INlike what2734WPwhat the2735DTthe substantive2736JJsubstantive standard2737NNstandard is2738VBZbe for2739INfor granting2740VVGgrant a2741DTa Rule2742NPRule 592743CD@card@ (2744(( e2745NNe )2746)) motion2747NNmotion ,2748,, it2749PPit 's2750VBZbe supposed2751VVNsuppose to2752TOto be2753VBbe stringent2754JJstringent .2755SENT. It2756PPit is2757VBZbe not2758RBnot a2759DTa basis2760NNbasis just2761RBjust to2762TOto ...2763:... you2764PPyou have2765VHPhave to2766TOto show2767VVshow a2768DTa significant2769JJsignificant error2770NNerror or2771CCor ...2772:... or2773CCor potentially2774RBpotentially an2775DTan intervening2776VVGintervene decision2777NNdecision that2778WDTthat changes2779VVZchange the2780DTthe issue2781NNissue .2782SENT. [JUSTICE GORSUCH]2783LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] So2784RBso ,2785,, if2786INif it2787PPit 's2788VBZbe ...2789:... it2790PPit 's2791VBZbe just2792RBjust an2793DTan appended2794VVNappend repetition2795NNrepetition of2796INof the2797DTthe complaint2798NNcomplaint ...2799:... [MR. BURGESS]2800LOC[MR. BURGESS] Right2801NPRight .2802SENT. [JUSTICE GORSUCH]2803LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] ...2804:... there2805EXthere 's2806VBZbe never2807RBnever going2808VVGgo to2809TOto be2810VBbe an2811DTan abuse2812NNabuse of2813INof discretion2814NNdiscretion ?2815SENT? It2816PPit would2817MDwould be2818VBbe very2819RBvery unlikely2820JJunlikely for2821INfor there2822RBthere to2823TOto be2824VBbe an2825DTan abuse2826NNabuse of2827INof discretion2828NNdiscretion to2829TOto refuse2830VVrefuse to2831TOto ...2832:... [MR. BURGESS]2833LOC[MR. BURGESS] To2834TOTo deny2835VVdeny the2836DTthe motion2837NNmotion ?2838SENT? [JUSTICE GORSUCH]2839LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] Yeah2840NPYeah ,2841,, to2842TOto deny2843VVdeny it2844PPit .2845SENT. [MR. BURGESS]2846LOC[MR. BURGESS] No2847NPNo ,2848,, that2849WDTthat 's2850VBZbe quite2851RBquite ...2852:... that2853WDTthat 's2854VBZbe quite2855RBquite right2856JJright .2857SENT. And2858CCand I2859PPI think2860VVPthink ,2861,, you2862PPyou know2863VVPknow ,2864,, the2865DTthe ...2866:... the2867DTthe other2868JJother side2869NNside complains2870VVZcomplain about2871INabout the2872DTthe potential2873JJpotential burdens2874NNSburden that2875IN/thatthat district2876NNdistrict courts2877NNScourt would2878MDwould face2879VVface .2880SENT. But2881CCbut we2882PPwe think2883VVPthink the2884DTthe way2885NNway that2886IN/thatthat the2887DTthe rule2888NNrule operates2889VVZoperate and2890CCand the2891DTthe fact2892NNfact that2893IN/thatthat the2894DTthe motions2895NNSmotion have2896VHPhave to2897TOto be2898VBbe filed2899VVNfile within2900INwithin 282901CD@card@ days2902NNSday to2903TOto a2904DTa judge2905NNjudge who2906WPwho has2907VHZhave just2908RBjust ruled2909VVNrule on2910INon the2911DTthe merits2912NNSmerit of2913INof the2914DTthe proceeding2915NNproceeding ,2916,, the2917DTthe judge2918NNjudge is2919VBZbe going2920VVGgo to2921TOto be2922VBbe able2923JJable to2924TOto quickly2925RBquickly determine2926VVdetermine whether2927INwhether there2928EXthere is2929VBZbe anything2930NNanything new2931JJnew here2932RBhere ,2933,, whether2934INwhether there2935EXthere 's2936VBZbe any2937DTany there2938RBthere there2939RBthere to2940TOto the2941DTthe complaint2942NNcomplaint that2943IN/thatthat he2944PPhe or2945CCor she2946PPshe made2947VVDmake a2948DTa significant2949JJsignificant mistake2950NNmistake .2951SENT. In2952INin this2953DTthis case2954NNcase ,2955,, the2956DTthe ...2957:... the2958DTthe judge2959NNjudge acted2960VVNact on2961INon Mr2962NPMr .2963SENT. Banister2964NPBanister 's2965POS's Rule2966NPRule 592967CD@card@ (2968(( e2969NNe )2970)) motion2971NNmotion within2972INwithin five2973CDfive days2974NNSday before2975INbefore the2976DTthe state2977NNstate was2978VBDbe even2979RBeven required2980VVNrequire to2981TOto respond2982VVrespond .2983SENT. So2984RBso we2985PPwe do2986VVPdo n't2987RBn't think2988VVthink there2989EXthere was2990VBDbe any2991DTany burden2992NNburden .2993SENT. And2994CCand ...2995:... [JUSTICE KAGAN]2996LOC[JUSTICE KAGAN] Mr2997NPMr .2998SENT. Burgess2999NPBurgess ,3000,, were3001VBDbe you3002PPyou finished3003VVDfinish ?3004SENT? Sorry3005RBsorry .3006SENT. [MR. BURGESS]3007LOC[MR. BURGESS] Sure3008NPSure ,3009,, Justice3010NPJustice Kagan3011NPKagan .3012SENT. [JUSTICE KAGAN]3013LOC[JUSTICE KAGAN] Your3014PP$your friends3015NNSfriend on3016INon the3017DTthe other3018JJother side3019NNside cite3020VVPcite Crosby3021NPCrosby ,3022,, Gonzalez3023NPGonzalez v3024NNv .3025SENT. Crosby3026NPCrosby ,3027,, and3028CCand ...3029:... and3030CCand note3031VVPnote that3032IN/thatthat there3033EXthere was3034VBDbe no3035DTno distinction3036NNdistinction made3037VVDmake there3038RBthere between3039INbetween petitions3040NNSpetition ...3041:... Rule3042NNrule 603043CD@card@ (3044(( b3045LSb )3046)) petitions3047NNSpetition that3048WDTthat were3049VBDbe filed3050VVNfile within3051INwithin the3052DTthe 283053CD@card@ days3054NNSday and3055CCand after3056INafter the3057DTthe days3058NNSday .3059SENT. So3060RBso what3061WPwhat is3062VBZbe your3063PP$your response3064NNresponse to3065TOto that3066DTthat ?3067SENT? Is3068VBZbe it3069PPit ...3070:... is3071VBZbe it3072PPit a3073DTa feature3074NNfeature of3075INof your3076PP$your argument3077NNargument that3078IN/thatthat a3079DTa Rule3080NPRule 603081CD@card@ (3082(( b3083LSb )3084)) motion3085NNmotion even3086RBeven within3087INwithin the3088DTthe 283089CD@card@ days3090NNSday would3091MDwould be3092VBbe treated3093VVNtreat differently3094RBdifferently from3095INfrom a3096DTa Rule3097NPRule 593098CD@card@ motion3099NNmotion ?3100SENT? [MR. BURGESS]3101LOC[MR. BURGESS] Well3102UHWell ,3103,, no3104UHno .3105SENT. We3106PPwe ...3107:... we3108PPwe think3109VVPthink that3110IN/thatthat anything3111NNanything filed3112VVNfile within3113INwithin 283114CD@card@ days3115NNSday is3116VBZbe ...3117:... is3118VBZbe subject3119JJsubject to3120TOto our3121PP$our rule3122NNrule .3123SENT. And3124CCand ...3125:... and3126CCand the3127DTthe reason3128NNreason for3129INfor that3130WDTthat is3131VBZbe Rule3132NPRule 603133CD@card@ (3134(( b3135LSb )3136)) motions3137NNSmotion that3138WDTthat are3139VBPbe filed3140VVNfile within3141INwithin 203142CD@card@ days3143NNSday ...3144:... 283145CD@card@ days3146NNSday are3147VBPbe treated3148VVNtreat under3149INunder the3150DTthe rules3151NNSrule effectively3152RBeffectively as3153RBas though3154INthough they3155PPthey are3156VBPbe Rule3157NPRule 593158CD@card@ (3159(( e3160LSe )3161)) motions3162VVZmotion .3163SENT. That3164DTthat is3165VBZbe the3166DTthe way3167NNway the3168DTthe rules3169NNSrule were3170VBDbe adopted3171VVNadopt ,3172,, because3173INbecause prior3174RBprior to3175TOto ,3176,, I3177PPI think3178VVPthink ,3179,, the3180DTthe 19933181CD@card@ amendments3182NNSamendment ,3183,, there3184EXthere was3185VBDbe real3186JJreal confusion3187NNconfusion about3188RBabout ...3189:... courts3190NNScourt were3191VBDbe faced3192VVNface with3193INwith the3194DTthe question3195NNquestion ,3196,, is3197VBZbe this3198DTthis a3199DTa 603200CD@card@ (3201(( b3202LSb )3203)) motion3204NNmotion ,3205,, is3206VBZbe this3207DTthis a3208DTa Rule3209NPRule 593210CD@card@ (3211(( e3212NNe )3213)) motion3214NNmotion ,3215,, and3216CCand it3217PPit 's3218VBZbe hard3219JJhard to3220TOto tell3221VVtell the3222DTthe difference3223NNdifference .3224SENT. Some3225DTsome courts3226NNScourt have3227VHPhave adopted3228VVNadopt a3229DTa bright-line3230NNbright-line rule3231NNrule that3232IN/thatthat anything3233NNanything filed3234VVNfile within3235INwithin the3236DTthe 283237CD@card@ days3238NNSday is3239VBZbe going3240VVGgo to3241TOto be3242VBbe treated3243VVNtreat as3244RBas though3245INthough it3246PPit is3247VBZbe a3248DTa 593249CD@card@ (3250(( e3251NNe )3252)) motion3253NNmotion .3254SENT. And3255CCand that3256DTthat 's3257VBZbe the3258DTthe position3259NNposition the3260DTthe Rules3261NPRules Committee3262NPCommittee adopted3263VVDadopt and3264CCand it3265PPit makes3266VVZmake it3267PPit clear3268JJclear in3269INin the3270DTthe Advisory3271NPAdvisory Committee3272NPCommittee notes3273VVZnote that3274IN/thatthat Rule3275NPRule 603276CD@card@ (3277(( b3278LSb )3279)) is3280VBZbe on3281INon the3282DTthe list3283NNlist within3284INwithin 43285CD4 (3286(( a3287DTa )3288)) .3289SENT. [JUSTICE KAGAN]3290LOC[JUSTICE KAGAN] So3291INso all3292DTall courts3293NNScourt are3294VBPbe doing3295VVGdo that3296IN/thatthat now3297RBnow ,3298,, they3299PPthey essentially3300RBessentially convert3301VVPconvert ...3302:... whatever3303WDTwhatever you3304PPyou label3305VVPlabel it3306PPit ,3307,, they3308PPthey treat3309VVPtreat it3310PPit as3311INas a3312DTa Rule3313NNrule motion3314NNmotion ?3315SENT? [MR. BURGESS]3316LOC[MR. BURGESS] Certainly3317RBcertainly for3318INfor purposes3319NNSpurpose of3320INof the3321DTthe timing3322NNtiming to3323TOto appeal3324VVappeal .3325SENT. I3326PPI mean3327VVPmean ,3328,, the3329DTthe ...3330:... the3331DTthe standards3332NNSstandard between3333INbetween them3334PPthem are3335VBPbe quite3336RBquite overlapping3337JJoverlapping .3338SENT. And3339CCand ...3340:... and3341CCand a3342DTa lot3343NNlot of3344INof instances3345NNSinstance ,3346,, of3347INof course3348NNcourse ,3349,, we3350PPwe 're3351VBPbe dealing3352VVGdeal with3353INwith pro3354FWpro se3355FWse petitioners3356NNSpetitioner who3357WPwho might3358MDmight not3359RBnot label3360VVlabel it3361PPit in3362INin either3363DTeither event3364NNevent .3365SENT. They3366PPthey say3367VVPsay motion3368NNmotion to3369TOto reconsider3370VVreconsider or3371CCor ...3372:... or3373CCor something3374NNsomething to3375TOto that3376DTthat effect3377NNeffect .3378SENT. And3379CCand it3380PPit ...3381:... it3382PPit 's3383VBZbe treated3384VVNtreat as3385INas a3386DTa Rule3387NPRule 593388CD@card@ if3389INif it3390PPit 's3391VBZbe within3392INwithin the3393DTthe 283394CD@card@ days3395NNSday .3396SENT. [JUSTICE KAGAN]3397LOC[JUSTICE KAGAN] And3398CCand does3399VVZdo it3400PPit bother3401VVbother you3402PPyou at3403INat all3404PDTall that3405DTthat ,3406,, say3407VVsay ,3408,, a3409DTa Rule3410NPRule 603411CD@card@ (3412(( b3413LSb )3414)) motion3415NNmotion filed3416VVNfile on3417INon the3418DTthe 29th3419JJ29th day3420NNday will3421MDwill be3422VBbe treated3423VVNtreat very3424RBvery differently3425RBdifferently from3426INfrom the3427DTthe Rule3428NPRule 593429CD@card@ motion3430NNmotion ?3431SENT? [MR. BURGESS]3432LOC[MR. BURGESS] It3433PPit does3434VVZdo n't3435RBn't because3436INbecause the3437DTthe rules3438NNSrule set3439VVPset that3440IN/thatthat up3441RBup to3442TOto have3443VHhave different3444JJdifferent effects3445NNSeffect .3446SENT. If3447INif the3448DTthe motion3449NNmotion is3450VBZbe filed3451VVNfile after3452INafter 283453CD@card@ days3454NNSday ,3455,, the3456DTthe district3457NNdistrict court3458NNcourt no3459RBno longer3460RBRlonger has3461VHZhave authority3462NNauthority to3463TOto amend3464VVamend the3465DTthe judgment3466NNjudgment .3467SENT. It3468PPit 's3469VBZbe not3470RBnot going3471VVGgo to3472TOto be3473VBbe something3474NNsomething that3475WDTthat suspends3476VVZsuspend the3477DTthe finality3478NNfinality of3479INof the3480DTthe judgment3481NNjudgment and3482CCand allows3483VVZallow for3484INfor a3485DTa single3486JJsingle appeal3487NNappeal .3488SENT. So3489RBso it3490PPit creates3491VVZcreate a3492DTa risk3493NNrisk of3494INof piecemeal3495JJpiecemeal litigation3496NNlitigation that3497IN/thatthat AEDPA3498NPAEDPA 's3499VBZbe designed3500VVNdesign to3501TOto prevent3502VVprevent that3503IN/thatthat if3504INif something3505NNsomething is3506VBZbe filed3507VVNfile within3508INwithin the3509DTthe 28-day3510JJ28-day period3511NNperiod would3512MDwould not3513RBnot .3514SENT. I3515PPI mean3516VVPmean ,3517,, of3518INof course3519NNcourse ,3520,, under3521INunder either3522DTeither side3523NNside 's3524POS's approach3525NNapproach ,3526,, there3527EXthere 's3528VBZbe going3529VVGgo to3530TOto be3531VBbe a3532DTa question3533NNquestion of3534INof the3535DTthe day3536NNday after3537INafter ,3538,, you3539PPyou know3540VVPknow ,3541,, what3542WPwhat counts3543VVZcount as3544RBas being3545JJbeing ...3546:... is3547VBZbe the3548DTthe first3549JJfirst proceeding3550NNproceeding having3551VHGhave ended3552VVNend and3553CCand ...3554:... and3555CCand the3556DTthe second3557NNsecond having3558VHGhave started3559VVNstart .3560SENT. [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]3561LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] Can3562MDcan you3563PPyou ...3564:... can3565MDcan you3566PPyou address3567VVaddress the3568DTthe Solicitor3569NPSolicitor General3570NPGeneral 's3571POS's reference3572NNreference to3573TOto and3574CCand how3575WRBhow you3576PPyou would3577MDwould respond3578VVrespond to3579TOto that3580DTthat argument3581NNargument ?3582SENT? [MR. BURGESS]3583LOC[MR. BURGESS] Sure3584NPSure .3585SENT. So3586RBso ,3587,, I3588PPI mean3589VVPmean ,3590,, of3591INof course3592NNcourse ,3593,, 22663594NP@card@ is3595VBZbe a3596DTa provision3597NNprovision that3598WDTthat 's3599VBZbe never3600RBnever actually3601RBactually been3602VBNbe in3603INin use3604NNuse because3605INbecause it3606PPit 's3607VBZbe the3608DTthe ...3609:... the3610DTthe opt-in3611NNopt-in provision3612NNprovision .3613SENT. As3614INas I3615PPI understand3616VVPunderstand their3617PP$their argument3618NNargument ,3619,, they3620PPthey say3621VVPsay that3622IN/thatthat because3623INbecause there3624EXthere are3625VBPbe specific3626JJspecific deadlines3627NNSdeadline that3628WDTthat are3629VBPbe listed3630VVNlist for3631INfor different3632JJdifferent sorts3633NNSsort of3634INof motions3635NNSmotion ,3636,, but3637CCbut Rule3638NPRule 593639CD@card@ is3640VBZbe not3641RBnot on3642INon the3643DTthe list3644NNlist ,3645,, that3646WDTthat that3647RBthat means3648VVZmean it3649PPit should3650MDshould be3651VBbe excluded3652VVNexclude from3653INfrom the3654DTthe statute3655NNstatute .3656SENT. Well3657UHwell ,3658,, that3659WDTthat 's3660VBZbe not3661RBnot consistent3662JJconsistent with3663INwith their3664PP$their own3665JJown position3666NNposition ,3667,, because3668INbecause they3669PPthey recognize3670VVPrecognize that3671IN/thatthat Rule3672NPRule 593673CD@card@ (3674(( e3675LSe )3676)) motions3677NNSmotion are3678VBPbe permissible3679JJpermissible .3680SENT. Their3681PP$their ...3682:... their3683PP$their position3684NNposition is3685VBZbe that3686IN/thatthat only3687RBonly if3688INif it3689PPit is3690VBZbe raising3691VVGraise a3692DTa claim3693NNclaim within3694INwithin the3695DTthe meaning3696NNmeaning of3697INof Gonzalez3698NPGonzalez would3699MDwould it3700PPit ...3701:... would3702MDwould it3703PPit present3704VVpresent a3705DTa potential3706JJpotential issue3707NNissue .3708SENT. So3709INso the3710DTthe fact3711NNfact that3712IN/thatthat they3713PPthey 're3714VBPbe not3715RBnot specifically3716RBspecifically enumerated3717VVNenumerate there3718EXthere can3719MDcan 't3720RB't prove3721VVprove any3722DTany ...3723:... or3724CCor it3725PPit would3726MDwould simply3727RBsimply prove3728VVprove too3729RBtoo much3730RBmuch because3731INbecause it3732PPit 's3733VBZbe contrary3734JJcontrary to3735TOto their3736PP$their own3737JJown position3738NNposition .3739SENT. We3740PPwe ...3741:... the3742DTthe way3743NNway we3744PPwe would3745MDwould handle3746VVhandle that3747WDTthat is3748VBZbe to3749TOto the3750DTthe ...3751:... if3752INif 22663753CD@card@ were3754VBDbe ever3755RBever operationalized3756VVNoperationalized and3757CCand if3758INif its3759PP$its deadlines3760NNSdeadline ever3761RBever sort3762RBsort of3763INof went3764VVDgo into3765INinto effect3766NNeffect ,3767,, one3768PPone could3769MDcould reasonably3770RBreasonably make3771VVmake an3772DTan argument3773NNargument that3774IN/thatthat in3775INin that3776DTthat specific3777JJspecific context3778NNcontext ,3779,, perhaps3780RBperhaps Rule3781NPRule 593782CD@card@ (3783(( e3784LSe )3785)) motions3786VVZmotion ,3787,, and3788CCand all3789DTall Rule3790NPRule 593791CD@card@ (3792(( e3793LSe )3794)) motions3795VVZmotion ,3796,, not3797RBnot specifically3798RBspecifically ones3799NNSone that3800WDTthat raise3801VVPraise Gonzalez3802NPGonzalez claims3803NNSclaim ,3804,, maybe3805RBmaybe those3806DTthose would3807MDwould be3808VBbe inconsistent3809JJinconsistent with3810INwith the3811DTthe text3812NNtext of3813INof the3814DTthe statute3815NNstatute or3816CCor with3817INwith ...3818:... with3819INwith the3820DTthe text3821NNtext of3822INof the3823DTthe statute3824NNstatute .3825SENT. But3826CCbut that3827DTthat does3828VVZdo n't3829RBn't suggest3830VVsuggest that3831IN/thatthat all3832DTall Rule3833NPRule 593834CD@card@ (3835(( e3836LSe )3837)) motions3838VVZmotion outside3839JJoutside of3840INof that3841DTthat context3842NNcontext are3843VBPbe going3844VVGgo to3845TOto be3846VBbe inconsistent3847JJinconsistent .3848SENT. [JUSTICE ALITO]3849LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] Why3850NPWhy is3851VBZbe your3852PP$your position3853NNposition favorable3854JJfavorable to3855TOto habeas3856NNShabea petitioners3857NNSpetitioner in3858INin general3859NNgeneral ?3860SENT? Would3861MDwould n't3862RBn't it3863PPit be3864VBbe easier3865JJReasy for3866INfor them3867PPthem just3868RBjust to3869TOto ask3870VVask for3871INfor a3872DTa certificate3873NNcertificate of3874INof appealability3875NNappealability ?3876SENT? [MR. BURGESS]3877LOC[MR. BURGESS] Certainly3878RBcertainly ,3879,, they3880PPthey can3881MDcan do3882VVdo that3883DTthat .3884SENT. We3885PPwe think3886VVPthink the3887DTthe reason3888NNreason ,3889,, you3890PPyou know3891VVPknow ,3892,, this3893DTthis Court3894NPCourt has3895VHZhave recognized3896VVNrecognize in3897INin other3898JJother contexts3899NNScontext that3900IN/thatthat Rule3901NPRule 593902CD@card@ (3903(( e3904LSe )3905)) motions3906NNSmotion are3907VBPbe useful3908JJuseful is3909VBZbe because3910INbecause they3911PPthey provide3912VVPprovide an3913DTan opportunity3914NNopportunity to3915TOto quickly3916RBquickly correct3917VVcorrect potential3918JJpotential errors3919NNSerror and3920CCand to3921TOto avoid3922VVavoid the3923DTthe whole3924JJwhole appeal3925NNappeal process3926NNprocess ,3927,, even3928RBeven in3929INin the3930DTthe ...3931:... you3932PPyou know3933VVPknow ,3934,, we3935PPwe acknowledge3936VVPacknowledge that3937IN/thatthat those3938DTthose actual3939JJactual orders3940NNSorder changing3941VVGchange the3942DTthe outcome3943NNoutcome are3944VBPbe ...3945:... are3946VBPbe ...3947:... are3948VBPbe rare3949JJrare ,3950,, but3951CCbut less3952RBRless rare3953JJrare is3954VBZbe a3955DTa decision3956NNdecision that3957WDTthat clarifies3958VVZclarify the3959DTthe basis3960NNbasis for3961INfor the3962DTthe decision3963NNdecision and3964CCand might3965MDmight clarify3966VVclarify the3967DTthe grounds3968NNSground for3969INfor an3970DTan appeal3971NNappeal and3972CCand make3973VVmake things3974NNSthing go3975VVgo smoother3976JJRsmooth .3977SENT. I3978PPI think3979VVPthink the3980DTthe flip3981JJflip side3982NNside of3983INof that3984WDTthat I3985PPI do3986VVPdo want3987VVwant to3988TOto comment3989VVcomment on3990INon is3991VBZbe that3992IN/thatthat we3993PPwe believe3994VVPbelieve the3995DTthe other3996JJother side3997NNside 's3998POS's position3999NNposition is4000VBZbe much4001JJmuch ...4002:... going4003VVGgo to4004TOto be4005VBbe much4006RBmuch more4007RBRmore inefficient4008JJinefficient ,4009,, sort4010NNsort of4011INof perversely4012RBperversely ,4013,, even4014RBeven though4015INthough they4016PPthey argue4017VVPargue that4018IN/thatthat their4019PP$their approach4020NNapproach is4021VBZbe designed4022VVNdesign to4023TOto streamline4024VVstreamline the4025DTthe ...4026:... the4027DTthe habeas4028NNShabea review4029NNreview process4030NNprocess ,4031,, because4032RBbecause ,4033,, under4034INunder their4035PP$their approach4036NNapproach ,4037,, any4038DTany time4039NNtime a4040DTa Rule4041NPRule 594042CD@card@ (4043(( e4044NNe )4045)) motion4046NNmotion is4047VBZbe filed4048VVNfile ,4049,, a4050DTa judge4051NNjudge cannot4052MDcan just4053RBjust look4054VVlook at4055INat it4056PPit and4057CCand say4058VVPsay :4059:: I4060PPI do4061VVPdo n't4062RBn't see4063VVsee anything4064NNanything here4065RBhere .4066SENT. Denied4067VVDdeny .4068SENT. Instead4069RBinstead ,4070,, the4071DTthe judge4072NNjudge has4073VHZhave to4074TOto make4075VVmake a4076DTa threshold4077NNthreshold inquiry4078NNinquiry to4079TOto determine4080VVdetermine ,4081,, is4082VBZbe there4083RBthere something4084NNsomething that4085WDTthat constitutes4086VVZconstitute a4087DTa habeas4088NNShabea claim4089VVPclaim within4090INwithin the4091DTthe meaning4092NNmeaning of4093INof Gonzalez4094NPGonzalez ?4095SENT? In4096INin some4097DTsome instances4098NNSinstance ,4099,, that4100WDTthat might4101MDmight be4102VBbe simple4103JJsimple ;4104:; in4105INin others4106NNSother ,4107,, not4108RBnot so4109RBso much4110JJmuch .4111SENT. And4112CCand after4113INafter the4114DTthe court4115NNcourt makes4116VVZmake that4117DTthat determination4118NNdetermination ,4119,, it4120PPit then4121RBthen has4122VHZhave to4123TOto decide4124VVdecide ,4125,, well4126RBwell ,4127,, suppose4128VVPsuppose this4129DTthis is4130VBZbe a4131DTa mixed4132JJmixed ,4133,, you4134PPyou know4135VVPknow ,4136,, Rule4137NPRule 594138CD@card@ (4139(( e4140NNe )4141)) motion4142NNmotion in4143INin the4144DTthe sense4145NNsense that4146IN/thatthat it4147PPit raises4148VVZraise some4149DTsome things4150NNSthing that4151WDTthat are4152VBPbe claims4153NNSclaim but4154CCbut some4155DTsome things4156NNSthing that4157WDTthat are4158VBPbe not4159RBnot because4160INbecause it4161PPit goes4162VVZgo into4163INinto the4164DTthe integrity4165NNintegrity of4166INof the4167DTthe federal4168JJfederal proceeding4169NNproceeding .4170SENT. There4171EXthere 's4172VBZbe no4173DTno clarity4174NNclarity under4175INunder the4176DTthe other4177JJother side4178NNside 's4179POS's approach4180NNapproach how4181WRBhow the4182DTthe court4183NNcourt is4184VBZbe supposed4185VVNsuppose to4186TOto handle4187VVhandle that4188DTthat .4189SENT. If4190INif it4191PPit is4192VBZbe something4193NNsomething that4194WDTthat raises4195VVZraise a4196DTa claim4197NNclaim ,4198,, rather4199RBrather ...4200:... again4201RBagain ,4202,, rather4203RBrather than4204INthan simply4205RBsimply having4206VHGhave the4207DTthe motion4208NNmotion denied4209VVDdeny and4210CCand moving4211VVGmove on4212INon with4213INwith the4214DTthe appellate4215JJappellate process4216NNprocess ,4217,, what4218WPwhat happens4219VVZhappen is4220VBZbe that4221IN/thatthat the4222DTthe motion4223NNmotion would4224MDwould be4225VBbe transferred4226VVNtransfer to4227TOto the4228DTthe court4229NNcourt of4230INof appeals4231NNSappeal ,4232,, which4233WDTwhich then4234RBthen has4235VHZhave to4236TOto take4237VVtake its4238PP$its new4239JJnew independent4240JJindependent look4241NNlook to4242TOto determine4243VVdetermine whether4244INwhether the4245DTthe requirements4246NNSrequirement of4247INof 22444248CD@card@ (4249(( b4250LSb )4251)) are4252VBPbe satisfied4253VVNsatisfy .4254SENT. And4255CCand we4256PPwe think4257VVPthink it4258PPit would4259MDwould just4260RBjust be4261VBbe ...4262:... it4263PPit 's4264VBZbe much4265RBmuch more4266RBRmore efficient4267JJefficient for4268INfor a4269DTa court4270NNcourt that4271WDTthat has4272VHZhave just4273RBjust ruled4274VVNrule on4275INon a4276DTa motion4277NNmotion ...4278:... and4279CCand ,4280,, by4281INby its4282PP$its nature4283NNnature ,4284,, a4285DTa Rule4286NPRule 594287CD@card@ (4288(( e4289NNe )4290)) motion4291NNmotion has4292VHZhave to4293TOto be4294VBbe filed4295VVNfile immediately4296RBimmediately after4297INafter the4298DTthe judgment4299NNjudgment ...4300:... to4301TOto be4302VBbe able4303JJable to4304TOto review4305VVreview it4306PPit and4307CCand ,4308,, if4309INif there4310EXthere 's4311VBZbe nothing4312NNnothing there4313RBthere ,4314,, deny4315VVdeny it4316PPit ,4317,, and4318CCand then4319RBthen the4320DTthe process4321NNprocess can4322MDcan move4323VVmove forward4324RBforward with4325INwith the4326DTthe certificate4327NNcertificate of4328INof appealability4329NNappealability .4330SENT. And4331CCand if4332INif there4333EXthere is4334VBZbe something4335NNsomething there4336RBthere or4337CCor if4338INif there4339EXthere 's4340VBZbe something4341NNsomething that4342WDTthat needs4343VVZneed to4344TOto be4345VBbe clarified4346VVNclarify ,4347,, the4348DTthe judge4349NNjudge can4350MDcan do4351VVdo that4352IN/thatthat as4353RBas well4354RBwell ,4355,, and4356CCand that4357WDTthat can4358MDcan greatly4359RBgreatly make4360VVmake the4361DTthe appellate4362JJappellate process4363NNprocess more4364RBRmore efficient4365JJefficient .4366SENT. [JUSTICE ALITO]4367LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] But4368CCbut AEDPA4369NPAEDPA was4370VBDbe intended4371VVNintend to4372TOto move4373VVmove habeas4374NNShabea petitions4375NNSpetition along4376INalong quickly4377RBquickly and4378CCand is4379VBZbe full4380JJfull of4381INof deadlines4382NNSdeadline .4383SENT. But4384CCbut there4385EXthere is4386VBZbe no4387DTno deadline4388NNdeadline for4389INfor a4390DTa ruling4391NNruling on4392INon a4393DTa 594394CD@card@ (4395(( e4396NNe )4397)) motion4398NNmotion .4399SENT. Is4400VBZbe n't4401RBn't that4402IN/thatthat an4403DTan anomaly4404NNanomaly ?4405SENT? [MR. BURGESS]4406LOC[MR. BURGESS] There4407EXthere 's4408VBZbe no4409DTno deadline4410NNdeadline for4411INfor ruling4412NNruling on4413INon a4414DTa habeas4415NNShabea petition4416NNpetition either4417RBeither .4418SENT. We4419PPwe do4420VVPdo n't4421RBn't see4422VVsee any4423DTany reason4424NNreason to4425TOto think4426VVthink that4427IN/thatthat a4428DTa district4429NNdistrict judge4430NNjudge who4431WPwho has4432VHZhave just4433RBjust invested4434VVNinvest the4435DTthe time4436NNtime to4437TOto rule4438VVrule on4439INon the4440DTthe habeas4441NNShabea petition4442NNpetition is4443VBZbe for4444INfor some4445DTsome reason4446NNreason going4447VVGgo to4448TOto spend4449VVspend a4450DTa lot4451NNlot of4452INof time4453NNtime with4454INwith a4455DTa Rule4456NPRule 594457CD@card@ (4458(( e4459NNe )4460)) motion4461NNmotion that4462WDTthat has4463VHZhave been4464VBNbe just4465RBjust filed4466VVNfile .4467SENT. And4468CCand ,4469,, again4470RBagain ,4471,, I4472PPI keep4473VVPkeep emphasizing4474VVGemphasize that4475IN/thatthat it4476PPit has4477VHZhave to4478TOto be4479VBbe filed4480VVNfile promptly4481RBpromptly .4482SENT. That4483DTthat cannot4484MDcan be4485VBbe changed4486VVNchange ...4487:... under4488INunder Rule4489NPRule ...4490:... Federal4491NPFederal Rule4492NPRule of4493INof Civil4494NPCivil Procedure4495NPProcedure 64496CD6 (4497(( b4498LSb )4499)) ,4500,, there4501EXthere can4502MDcan be4503VBbe no4504DTno extensions4505NNSextension to4506TOto the4507DTthe 28-day4508JJ28-day deadline4509NNdeadline for4510INfor filing4511VVGfile a4512DTa Rule4513NPRule 594514CD@card@ (4515(( e4516NNe )4517)) motion4518NNmotion .4519SENT. So4520RBso there4521EXthere 's4522VBZbe no4523DTno way4524NNway to4525TOto avoid4526VVavoid it4527PPit being4528JJbeing something4529NNsomething that4530WDTthat ...4531:... that4532IN/thatthat moves4533NNSmove quickly4534RBquickly .4535SENT. And4536CCand to4537TOto return4538VVreturn to4539TOto the4540DTthe point4541NNpoint I4542PPI was4543VBDbe making4544VVGmake at4545INat the4546DTthe outset4547NNoutset ,4548,, that4549WDTthat 's4550VBZbe quite4551RBquite different4552JJdifferent from4553INfrom the4554DTthe situation4555NNsituation in4556INin Gonzalez4557NPGonzalez ,4558,, where4559WRBwhere you4560PPyou have4561VHPhave a4562DTa Rule4563NPRule 604564CD@card@ (4565(( b4566LSb )4567)) motion4568NNmotion that4569WDTthat can4570MDcan be4571VBbe filed4572VVNfile years4573NNSyear after4574INafter the4575DTthe judgment4576NNjudgment and4577CCand presents4578VVZpresent obvious4579JJobvious opportunities4580NNSopportunity to4581TOto circumvent4582VVcircumvent AEDPA4583NPAEDPA 's4584POS's restrictions4585NNSrestriction by4586INby reopening4587VVGreopen cases4588NNScase that4589WDTthat would4590MDwould otherwise4591RBotherwise be4592VBbe closed4593VVNclose ,4594,, unless4595INunless you4596PPyou could4597MDcould satisfy4598VVsatisfy 22444599CD@card@ .4600SENT. And4601CCand that4602DTthat 's4603VBZbe why4604WRBwhy we4605PPwe think4606VVPthink Gonzalez4607NPGonzalez just4608RBjust ...4609:... just4610RBjust does4611VVZdo not4612RBnot speak4613VVspeak to4614TOto the4615DTthe key4616JJkey question4617NNquestion here4618RBhere .4619SENT. There4620RBthere ,4621,, there4622EXthere was4623VBDbe no4624DTno ...4625:... there4626EXthere 's4627VBZbe no4628DTno doubt4629NNdoubt that4630IN/thatthat the4631DTthe first4632JJfirst proceeding4633NNproceeding had4634VHDhave ended4635VVNend .4636SENT. So4637INso the4638DTthe only4639JJonly question4640NNquestion the4641DTthe Court4642NPCourt faced4643VVDface was4644VBDbe whether4645INwhether the4646DTthe 604647CD@card@ (4648(( b4649LSb )4650)) motion4651NNmotion could4652MDcould be4653VBbe close4654RBclose enough4655JJenough ,4656,, similar4657JJsimilar enough4658RBenough to4659TOto a4660DTa new4661JJnew habeas4662NNShabea application4663NNapplication that4664IN/thatthat it4665PPit would4666MDwould be4667VBbe inconsistent4668JJinconsistent with4669INwith the4670DTthe statute4671NNstatute not4672RBnot to4673TOto subject4674VVsubject it4675PPit 134676CD@card@ to4677TOto 22444678CD@card@ (4679(( b4680LSb )4681)) .4682SENT. Here4683RBhere ,4684,, the4685DTthe question4686NNquestion is4687VBZbe different4688JJdifferent .4689SENT. It4690PPit 's4691VBZbe whether4692INwhether this4693DTthis motion4694NNmotion is4695VBZbe part4696NNpart of4697INof the4698DTthe first4699JJfirst habeas4700NNShabea proceeding4701NNproceeding .4702SENT. And4703CCand it4704PPit has4705VHZhave always4706RBalways been4707VBNbe treated4708VVNtreat that4709DTthat way4710NNway .4711SENT. And4712CCand we4713PPwe see4714VVPsee no4715DTno reason4716NNreason for4717INfor ...4718:... no4719DTno basis4720NNbasis in4721INin AEDPA4722NPAEDPA to4723TOto displace4724VVdisplace that4725DTthat settled4726VVNsettle practice4727NNpractice .4728SENT. I4729PPI did4730VVDdo want4731VVwant to4732TOto turn4733VVturn again4734RBagain to4735TOto our4736PP$our argument4737NNargument about4738INabout Appellate4739NPAppellate Rule4740NPRule 44741CD4 (4742(( a4743DTa )4744)) because4745INbecause I4746PPI do4747VVPdo want4748VVwant to4749TOto emphasize4750VVemphasize that4751IN/thatthat it4752PPit is4753VBZbe a4754DTa distinct4755JJdistinct argument4756NNargument .4757SENT. We4758PPwe think4759VVPthink that4760IN/thatthat even4761RBeven if4762INif Section4763NPSection 22444764CD@card@ (4765(( b4766LSb )4767)) were4768VBDbe relevant4769JJrelevant in4770INin the4771DTthe sense4772NNsense that4773IN/thatthat it4774PPit ...4775:... it4776PPit barred4777VVDbar someone4778NNsomeone from4779INfrom pursuing4780VVGpursue 594781CD@card@ (4782(( e4783NNe )4784)) relief4785NNrelief that4786WDTthat raised4787VVDraise a4788DTa claim4789NNclaim and4790CCand prevented4791VVDprevent the4792DTthe district4793NNdistrict judge4794NNjudge from4795INfrom acting4796VVGact upon4797INupon it4798PPit ,4799,, it4800PPit would4801MDwould not4802RBnot mean4803VVmean that4804IN/thatthat the4805DTthe rule4806NNrule ...4807:... that4808DTthat Rule4809NPRule 44810CD4 (4811(( a4812DTa )4813)) did4814VVDdo not4815RBnot apply4816VVapply to4817TOto suspend4818VVsuspend the4819DTthe judgment4820NNjudgment .4821SENT. And4822CCand the4823DTthe reason4824NNreason for4825INfor that4826WDTthat is4827VBZbe that4828IN/thatthat the4829DTthe ...4830:... the4831DTthe relevant4832JJrelevant requirement4833NNrequirement is4834VBZbe that4835IN/thatthat the4836DTthe ...4837:... the4838DTthe motion4839NNmotion be4840VBbe filed4841VVNfile ,4842,, not4843RBnot that4844IN/thatthat it4845PPit be4846VBbe properly4847RBproperly filed4848VVNfile ,4849,, not4850RBnot that4851IN/thatthat it4852PPit be4853VBbe filed4854VVNfile with4855INwith ...4856:... in4857INin a4858DTa court4859NNcourt with4860INwith jurisdiction4861NNjurisdiction .4862SENT. So4863RBso ,4864,, under4865INunder the4866DTthe plain4867JJplain text4868NNtext of4869INof a4870DTa rule4871NNrule ...4872:... of4873INof the4874DTthe rule4875NNrule ,4876,, if4877INif a4878DTa motion4879NNmotion is4880VBZbe filed4881VVNfile improperly4882RBimproperly in4883INin a4884DTa court4885NNcourt that4886WDTthat lacks4887VVZlack jurisdiction4888NNjurisdiction ,4889,, it4890PPit nonetheless4891RBnonetheless has4892VHZhave been4893VBNbe filed4894VVNfile because4895INbecause it4896PPit was4897VBDbe received4898VVNreceive ,4899,, and4900CCand it4901PPit nonetheless4902RBnonetheless has4903VHZhave been4904VBNbe disposed4905VVNdispose of4906INof .4907SENT. Rule4908NNrule 44909CD4 (4910(( a4911DTa )4912)) uses4913VVZuse the4914DTthe term4915NNterm "4916''" disposed4917VVNdispose of4918INof ,4919,, "4920``" not4921RBnot denied4922VVNdeny .4923SENT. If4924INif it4925PPit ...4926:... if4927INif it4928PPit used4929VVDuse "4930``" denied4931VVDdeny ,4932,, "4933``" it4934PPit might4935MDmight be4936VBbe reasonable4937JJreasonable for4938INfor the4939DTthe other4940JJother side4941NNside to4942TOto argue4943VVargue that4944IN/thatthat ,4945,, well4946RBwell ,4947,, the4948DTthe judge4949NNjudge can4950MDcan 't4951RB't deny4952VVdeny a4953DTa motion4954NNmotion that4955IN/thatthat he4956PPhe does4957VVZdo n't4958RBn't have4959VHhave jurisdiction4960NNjurisdiction to4961TOto entertain4962VVentertain .4963SENT. But4964CCbut he4965PPhe quite4966RBquite clearly4967RBclearly ...4968:... a4969DTa judge4970NNjudge quite4971RBquite clearly4972RBclearly can4973MDcan dispose4974VVdispose of4975INof a4976DTa motion4977NNmotion that4978WDTthat was4979VBDbe ...4980:... that4981WDTthat was4982VBDbe filed4983VVNfile that4984IN/thatthat the4985DTthe judge4986NNjudge lacked4987VVDlack jurisdiction4988NNjurisdiction to4989TOto entertain4990VVentertain .4991SENT. And4992CCand we4993PPwe think4994VVPthink it4995PPit ...4996:... it4997PPit does4998VVZdo not4999RBnot make5000VVmake sense5001NNsense to5002TOto rewrite5003VVrewrite the5004DTthe plain5005JJplain terms5006NNSterm of5007INof Appellate5008NPAppellate Rule5009NPRule 45010CD4 (5011(( a5012DTa )5013)) in5014INin a5015DTa way5016NNway that5017WDTthat is5018VBZbe going5019VVGgo to5020TOto make5021VVmake it5022PPit such5023JJsuch that5024IN/thatthat individuals5025NNSindividual like5026INlike Mr5027NPMr .5028SENT. Banister5029NPBanister ,5030,, often5031RBoften pro5032FWpro se5033FWse litigants5034NNSlitigant who5035WPwho are5036VBPbe following5037VVGfollow the5038DTthe plain5039JJplain terms5040NNSterm of5041INof the5042DTthe text5043NNtext ,5044,, are5045VBPbe ...5046:... nonetheless5047RBnonetheless lose5048VVlose their5049PP$their ability5050NNability to5051TOto pursue5052VVpursue their5053PP$their first5054JJfirst habeas5055NNShabea appeal5056VVPappeal because5057INbecause a5058DTa court5059NNcourt ,5060,, a5061DTa year5062NNyear after5063INafter the5064DTthe motion5065NNmotion was5066VBDbe filed5067VVNfile ,5068,, decides5069VVZdecide ,5070,, well5071RBwell ,5072,, this5073DTthis was5074VBDbe actually5075RBactually close5076JJclose enough5077RBenough to5078TOto a5079DTa habeas5080NNShabea petition5081VVPpetition that5082IN/thatthat we5083PPwe 're5084VBPbe not5085RBnot going5086VVGgo to5087TOto give5088VVgive the5089DTthe benefit5090NNbenefit of5091INof Rule5092NPRule 45093CD4 (5094(( a5095DTa )5096)) and5097CCand we5098PPwe are5099VBPbe going5100VVGgo to5101TOto treat5102VVtreat it5103PPit as5104RBas ...5105:... as5106RBas untimely5107RBuntimely .5108SENT. We5109PPwe do5110VVPdo n't5111RBn't think5112VVthink that5113WDTthat is5114VBZbe consistent5115JJconsistent with5116INwith the5117DTthe statute5118NNstatute .5119SENT. If5120INif the5121DTthe Court5122NPCourt has5123VHZhave no5124DTno further5125JJRfurther questions5126NNSquestion ,5127,, I5128PPI 'll5129MDwill reserve5130VVreserve to5131TOto rebuttal5132NNrebuttal .5133SENT. [CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS]5134LOC[CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS] Thank5135VVthank you5136PPyou ,5137,, counsel5138NNcounsel .5139SENT. Mr5140NPMr .5141SENT. Hawkins5142NPHawkins .5143SENT.