[MR. ORTIZ]19LOC[MR. ORTIZ] Mr20NPMr .21SENT. Chief22NPChief Justice23NPJustice ,24,, and25CCand may26MDmay it27PPit please28VVplease the29DTthe Court30NPCourt :31:: This32DTthis case33NNcase turns34VVZturn on35INon the36DTthe meaning37NNmeaning of38INof two39CDtwo words40NNSword in41INin Section42NPSection 40643CD@card@ (44(( b45LSb )46)) ,47,, "48``" such49JJsuch representation50NNrepresentation .51SENT. "52``" Do53VVPdo they54PPthey refer55VVPrefer to56TOto work57VVwork done58VVNdo only59RBonly before60INbefore the61DTthe court62NNcourt ,63,, the64DTthe only65JJonly representation66NNrepresentation discussed67VVNdiscuss in68INin Section69NPSection 40670CD@card@ (71(( b72LSb )73)) itself74PPitself ,75,, or76CCor do77VVPdo they78PPthey also79RBalso include80VVPinclude work81NNwork done82VVNdo before83INbefore the84DTthe agency85NNagency ,86,, which87WDTwhich is88VBZbe subject89JJsubject to90TOto a91DTa separate92JJseparate award93NNaward mechanism94NNmechanism in95INin Section96NPSection 1897CD@card@ 40698CD@card@ (99(( a100DTa )101)) ?102SENT? In103INin this104DTthis case105NNcase ,106,, Your107PP$your Honors108NNShonors ,109,, the110DTthe statute111NNstatute 's112POS's text113NNtext ,114,, its115PP$its structure116NNstructure ,117,, its118PP$its purposes119NNSpurpose ,120,, and121CCand its122PP$its history123NNhistory all124RBall confirm125VVPconfirm that126IN/thatthat Section127NPSection 406128CD@card@ (129(( b130LSb )131)) 's132POS's cap133NNcap applies134VVZapply only135RBonly to136TOto work137VVwork done138VVNdo in139INin court140NNcourt .141SENT. First142RBfirst ,143,, the144DTthe text145NNtext :146:: Section147NNsection 406148CD@card@ (149(( b150LSb )151)) references152VVZreference explicitly153RBexplicitly and154CCand only155RBonly work156VVwork done157VVNdo in158INin the159DTthe court160NNcourt .161SENT. It162PPit 's163VBZbe a164DTa single165JJsingle sentence166NNsentence .167SENT. It168PPit says169VVZsay whenever170WRBwhenever a171DTa court172NNcourt renders173VVZrender a174DTa judgment175NNjudgment favorable176JJfavorable to177TOto a178DTa claimant179NNclaimant who180WPwho is181VBZbe represented182VVNrepresent before183INbefore the184DTthe court185NNcourt by186INby an187DTan attorney188NNattorney ,189,, the190DTthe court191NNcourt may192MDmay allow193VVallow a194DTa reasonable195JJreasonable fee196NNfee for197INfor such198JJsuch representation199NNrepresentation .200SENT. The201DTthe dictionary202NNdictionary meaning203NNmeaning of204INof the205DTthe word206NNword "207``" such208JJsuch ,209,, "210''" of211INof the212DTthe sort213NNsort previously214RBpreviously mentioned215VVNmention ,216,, confirms217VVZconfirm what218WPwhat is219VBZbe commonsensical220JJcommonsensical .221SENT. So222RBso does223VVZdo the224DTthe doctrine225NNdoctrine of226INof the227DTthe canon228NNcanon of229INof expressio230NNexpressio unius231NNunius .232SENT. Section233NNsection 406234CD@card@ (235(( a236DTa )237)) ,238,, by239INby contrast240NNcontrast ,241,, speaks242VVZspeak of243INof work244NNwork done245VVNdo before246INbefore the247DTthe commissioner248NNcommissioner .249SENT. Section250NNsection 406251CD@card@ (252(( b253LSb )254)) speaks255VVZspeak only256RBonly of257INof work258NNwork done259VVNdo before260INbefore the261DTthe court262NNcourt .263SENT. Congress264NPCongress also265RBalso ,266,, Your267PP$your Honor268NPHonor ,269,, knew270VVDknow how271WRBhow to272TOto create273VVcreate an274DTan aggregate275JJaggregate cap276NNcap if277INif it278PPit wanted279VVDwant to280TOto .281SENT. In282INin Section283NPSection 406284CD@card@ (285(( a286DTa )287)) (288(( 2289LS2 )290)) (291(( C292NPC )293)) ,294,, it295PPit creates296VVZcreate an297DTan aggregate298JJaggregate cap299NNcap for300INfor claims301NNSclaim in302INin cases303NNScase involving304VVGinvolve both305DTboth claims306NNSclaim under307INunder Title308NPTitle 2309CD2 and310CCand Title311NPTitle 16312CD@card@ ,313,, and314CCand it315PPit uses316VVZuse the317DTthe words318NNSword "319''" in320INin the321DTthe aggregate322NNaggregate .323SENT. "324''" Congress325NPCongress likewise326RBlikewise knew327VVDknow how328WRBhow to329TOto create330VVcreate offsets331NNSoffset ,332,, as333INas it334PPit did335VVDdo in336INin the337DTthe Equal338NPEqual Access339NPAccess to340TOto Justice341NPJustice Act342NPAct .343SENT. Also344RBalso ,345,, Your346PP$your Honors347NNShonors ,348,, the349DTthe structure350NNstructure of351INof the352DTthe Act353NPAct makes354VVZmake this355DTthis clear356JJclear .357SENT. In358INin Gisbrecht359NPGisbrecht ,360,, this361DTthis Court362NPCourt defined363VVNdefine ...364:... said365VVDsay that366IN/thatthat the367DTthe statute368NNstatute handles369VVZhandle discretely370RBdiscretely claims371NNSclaim for372INfor work373NNwork before374INbefore the375DTthe agency376NNagency and377CCand claims378NNSclaim before379INbefore the380DTthe court381NNcourt .382SENT. [JUSTICE GINSBURG]383LOC[JUSTICE GINSBURG] Can384MDcan I385PPI ask386VVask you387PPyou a388DTa question389NNquestion about390INabout the391DTthe ...392:... the393DTthe cap394NNcap ?395SENT? You396PPyou 're397VBPbe saying398VVGsay there399EXthere 's400VBZbe a401DTa cap402NNcap in403INin (404(( b405LSb )406)) and407CCand that408DTthat applies409VVZapply to410TOto court411NNcourt services412NNSservice ,413,, not414RBnot to415TOto services416NNSservice before417INbefore the418DTthe agency419NNagency .420SENT. But421CCbut is422VBZbe there423RBthere a424DTa ...425:... a426DTa cap427NNcap on428INon the429DTthe amount430NNamount that431WDTthat can432MDcan be433VBbe taken434VVNtake from435INfrom the436DTthe plaintiff437NNplaintiff 's438POS's recovery439NNrecovery ?440SENT? That441DTthat is442VBZbe ,443,, let444VVlet 's445VBZbe say446VVsay that447WDTthat we448PPwe ...449:... we450PPwe agree451VVPagree with452INwith you453PPyou that454IN/thatthat the455DTthe (456(( b457LSb )458)) cap459NNcap is460VBZbe for461INfor court462NNcourt only463RBonly .464SENT. It465PPit does466VVZdo n't467RBn't apply468VVapply to469TOto administrative470JJadministrative services471NNSservice .472SENT. Can473MDcan more474RBRmore be475VBbe taken476VVNtake from477INfrom the478DTthe plaintiff479NNplaintiff 's480POS's recovery481NNrecovery than482INthan ,483,, what484WPwhat is485VBZbe it486PPit ,487,, percent488NNpercent ?489SENT? [MR. ORTIZ]490LOC[MR. ORTIZ] No491NPNo ,492,, Justice493NPJustice Ginsburg494NPGinsburg .495SENT. The496DTthe agency497NNagency has498VHZhave taken499VVNtake the500DTthe position501NNposition ,502,, which503WDTwhich is504VBZbe not505RBnot contested506VVNcontest in507INin this508DTthis litigation509NNlitigation ,510,, that511IN/thatthat there512EXthere 's513VBZbe a514DTa separate515JJseparate 25516CD@card@ percent517NNpercent pay518NNpay cap519NNcap which520WDTwhich applied521VVDapply .522SENT. They523PPthey will524MDwill set525VVset aside526RPaside the527DTthe amount528NNamount of529INof past-due530JJpast-due benefits531NNSbenefit and532CCand withhold533VVwithhold the534DTthe 25535CD@card@ percent536NNpercent for537INfor the538DTthe payment539NNpayment of540INof attorney541NNattorney 's542POS's fees543NNSfee under544INunder both545DTboth 406546CD@card@ (547(( b548LSb )549)) and550CCand 406551CD@card@ (552(( a553DTa )554)) .555SENT. So556RBso that557DTthat is558VBZbe an559DTan upward560JJupward limit561NNlimit in562INin this563DTthis case564NNcase .565SENT. This566DTthis case567NNcase ...568:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]569LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] I570PPI do571VVPdo have572VHhave a573DTa question574NNquestion about575INabout that576DTthat .577SENT. I578PPI 'm579VBPbe troubled580VVNtrouble by581INby the582DTthe idea583NNidea of584INof attorneys585NNSattorney attempting586VVGattempt to587TOto collect588VVcollect fees589NNSfee directly590RBdirectly from591INfrom their592PP$their clients593NNSclient .594SENT. Now595RBnow I596PPI understand597VVPunderstand from598INfrom the599DTthe briefing600NNbriefing that601IN/thatthat you602PPyou can603MDcan 't604RB't garnish605NNgarnish disability606NNdisability benefits607NNSbenefit ,608,, so609RBso if610INif you611PPyou do612VVPdo n't613RBn't get614VVget paid615VVNpay your616PP$your percentage617NNpercentage ,618,, you619PPyou can620MDcan 't621RB't garnish622NNgarnish disability623NNdisability benefits624NNSbenefit .625SENT. But626CCbut how627WRBhow can628MDcan you629PPyou collect630VVcollect otherwise631RBotherwise ?632SENT? You633PPyou do634VVPdo n't635RBn't collect636VVcollect over637INover the638DTthe fund639NNfund that640IN/thatthat Justice641NPJustice Ginsburg642NPGinsburg is643VBZbe describing644VVGdescribe .645SENT. [MR. ORTIZ]646LOC[MR. ORTIZ] No647NPNo ,648,, Your649PP$your Honor650NPHonor ...651:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]652LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] The653DTthe retained654JJretained amount655NNamount .656SENT. Do657VVPdo n't658RBn't you659PPyou think660VVPthink that661IN/thatthat Congress662NPCongress would663MDwould n't664RBn't have665VHhave wanted666VVNwant Social667NPSocial Security668NPSecurity recipients669NNSrecipient to670TOto be671VBbe hounded672VVNhound by673INby collection674NNcollection efforts675NNSeffort ?676SENT? [MR. ORTIZ]677LOC[MR. ORTIZ] Well678UHWell ,679,, Your680PP$your Honor681NPHonor ,682,, first683RBfirst ,684,, I685PPI want686VVPwant to687TOto correct688VVcorrect what689WPwhat may690MDmay be691VBbe a692DTa misconception693NNmisconception .694SENT. It695PPit is696VBZbe not697RBnot the698DTthe case699NNcase that700IN/thatthat when701WRBwhen the702DTthe 25703CD@card@ percent704NNpercent authorization705NNauthorization cap706NNcap is707VBZbe used708VVNuse up709RPup ,710,, that711DTthat attorneys712NNSattorney ,713,, if714INif they715PPthey want716VVPwant to717TOto recover718VVrecover fees719NNSfee beyond720INbeyond that721DTthat ,722,, would723MDwould ...724:... beyond725INbeyond the726DTthe amount727NNamount withheld728VVDwithhold ,729,, would730MDwould actually731RBactually have732VHhave to733TOto go734VVgo against735INagainst the736DTthe claimant737NNclaimant directly738RBdirectly .739SENT. In740INin any741DTany case742NNcase ,743,, when744WRBwhen there745EXthere is746VBZbe an747DTan EAJA748NPEAJA award749NNaward ,750,, as751INas there752EXthere are753VBPbe in754INin over755INover 40756CD@card@ percent757NNpercent of758INof these759DTthese cases760NNScase ,761,, and762CCand the763DTthe EAJA764NPEAJA award765NNaward is766VBZbe equal767JJequal to768TOto or769CCor exceeds770VVZexceed the771DTthe 406772CD@card@ (773(( a774DTa )775)) award776NNaward ,777,, the778DTthe attorney779NNattorney can780MDcan actually781RBactually get782VVget the783DTthe money784NNmoney from785INfrom the786DTthe amount787NNamount that788IN/thatthat the789DTthe agency790NNagency is791VBZbe still792RBstill withholding793VVGwithhold .794SENT. [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]795LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] I796PPI understood797VVDunderstand here798RBhere there799EXthere was800VBDbe some801DTsome EAJA802NPEAJA money803NNmoney that804IN/thatthat you805PPyou could806MDcould have807VHhave received808VVNreceive .809SENT. [MR. ORTIZ]810LOC[MR. ORTIZ] Yeah811NPYeah .812SENT. So813RBso in814INin this815DTthis ...816:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]817LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] But818CCbut I819PPI 'm820VBPbe talking821VVGtalk about822INabout the823DTthe extreme824JJextreme possibility825NNpossibility ...826:... [MR. ORTIZ]827LOC[MR. ORTIZ] Yeah828NPYeah .829SENT. In830INin this831DTthis ...832:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]833LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] ...834:... where835WRBwhere there836EXthere 's837VBZbe a838DTa small839JJsmall EAJA840NPEAJA award841NNaward ,842,, but843CCbut you844PPyou get845VVPget 50846CD@card@ percent847NNpercent of848INof the849DTthe recovery850NNrecovery .851SENT. Are852VBPbe we853PPwe going854VVGgo to855TOto have856VHhave people857NNSpeople garnishing858VVGgarnish something859NNsomething or860CCor attaching861VVGattach something862NNsomething that863WDTthat belongs864VVZbelong to865TOto clients866NNSclient ?867SENT? [MR. ORTIZ]868LOC[MR. ORTIZ] Not869RBnot in870INin most871JJSmost cases872NNScase ,873,, Your874PP$your Honor875NPHonor .876SENT. In877INin most878JJSmost cases879NNScase ,880,, it881PPit makes882VVZmake no883DTno economic884JJeconomic sense885NNsense .886SENT. [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]887LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] I888PPI 'm889VBPbe not890RBnot asking891VVGask about892INabout most893JJSmost cases894NNScase .895SENT. I896PPI 'm897VBPbe asking898VVGask about899INabout exceptions900NNSexception .901SENT. [MR. ORTIZ]902LOC[MR. ORTIZ] Well903UHwell ,904,, there905EXthere would906MDwould be907VBbe an908DTan ...909:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]910LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] When911WRBwhen ...912:... [MR. ORTIZ]913LOC[MR. ORTIZ] There914EXthere would915MDwould be916VBbe an917DTan exception918NNexception ,919,, Your920PP$your Honor921NPHonor ,922,, if923INif I924PPI were925VBDbe representing926VVGrepresent Bill927NPBill Gates928NPGates ,929,, say930VVPsay .931SENT. It932PPit would933MDwould ...934:... I935PPI could936MDcould go937VVgo after938INafter him939PPhim for940INfor payment941NNpayment of942INof the943DTthe remaining944VVGremain fee945NNfee .946SENT. [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]947LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] But948CCbut most949JJSmost of950INof the951DTthe claimants952NNSclaimant are953VBPbe ,954,, of955INof course956NNcourse ...957:... do958VVPdo not959RBnot have960VHhave much961JJmuch money962NNmoney ,963,, and964CCand the965DTthe statute966NNstatute ,967,, as968INas Justice969NPJustice Ginsburg970NPGinsburg says971VVZsay ,972,, puts973VVZput a974DTa 25975CD@card@ percent976NNpercent cap977NNcap on978INon what979WPwhat ...980:... on981INon how982WRBhow it983PPit 's984VBZbe going985VVGgo to986TOto ...987:... the988DTthe pool989NNpool ,990,, I991PPI guess992VVPguess ,993,, is994VBZbe the995DTthe ...996:... from997INfrom which998WDTwhich it999PPit 's1000VBZbe going1001VVGgo to1002TOto be1003VBbe paid1004VVNpay by1005INby the1006DTthe agency1007NNagency .1008SENT. Does1009VVZdo n't1010RBn't that1011WDTthat suggest1012VVPsuggest that1013IN/thatthat Congress1014NPCongress thought1015VVDthink that1016IN/thatthat there1017EXthere would1018MDwould be1019VBbe an1020DTan aggregate1021JJaggregate cap1022NNcap because1023INbecause ,1024,, A1025NPA ,1026,, there1027EXthere is1028VBZbe the1029DTthe pool1030NNpool cap1031NNcap ,1032,, and1033CCand then1034RBthen ,1035,, as1036INas Justice1037NPJustice Sotomayor1038NPSotomayor says1039VVZsay ,1040,, we1041PPwe do1042VVPdo n't1043RBn't expect1044VVexpect lawyers1045NNSlawyer to1046TOto go1047VVgo after1048INafter claimants1049NNSclaimant who1050WPwho ,1051,, by1052INby definition1053NNdefinition ,1054,, often1055RBoften can1056MDcan 't1057RB't work1058NNwork and1059CCand often1060RBoften do1061VVPdo n't1062RBn't have1063VHhave much1064JJmuch money1065NNmoney ?1066SENT? [MR. ORTIZ]1067LOC[MR. ORTIZ] Well1068UHWell ,1069,, Justice1070NPJustice Kavanaugh1071NPKavanaugh ,1072,, the1073DTthe pool1074NNpool cap1075NNcap is1076VBZbe a1077DTa matter1078NNmatter ...1079:... is1080VBZbe a1081DTa creature1082NNcreature of1083INof agency1084NNagency work1085NNwork ,1086,, not1087RBnot actually1088RBactually an1089DTan artifact1090NNartifact of1091INof what1092WPwhat Congress1093NPCongress has1094VHZhave done1095VVNdo .1096SENT. So1097RBso it1098PPit 's1099VBZbe ...1100:... you1101PPyou cannot1102MDcan impute1103VVimpute that1104IN/thatthat actually1105RBactually to1106TOto what1107WPwhat Congress1108NPCongress ...1109:... what1110WPwhat Congress1111NPCongress 's1112POS's feeling1113NNfeeling here1114RBhere was1115VBDbe .1116SENT. As1117INas you1118PPyou mentioned1119VVDmention ,1120,, in1121INin most1122JJSmost cases1123NNScase ...1124:... in1125INin many1126JJmany of1127INof these1128DTthese cases1129NNScase ,1130,, the1131DTthe claimant1132NNclaimant will1133MDwill be1134VBbe judgment-proof1135JJjudgment-proof beyond1136INbeyond the1137DTthe amount1138NNamount that1139IN/thatthat the1140DTthe agency1141NNagency has1142VHZhave set1143VVNset aside1144RPaside .1145SENT. And1146CCand in1147INin those1148DTthose circumstances1149NNScircumstance ,1150,, it1151PPit makes1152VVZmake no1153DTno sense1154NNsense for1155INfor the1156DTthe attorney1157NNattorney to1158TOto go1159VVgo after1160INafter the1161DTthe claimant1162NNclaimant .1163SENT. The1164DTthe claimant1165NNclaimant ...1166:... the1167DTthe attorney1168NNattorney ...1169:... [JUSTICE BREYER]1170LOC[JUSTICE BREYER] The1171DTthe answer1172NNanswer ...1173:... the1174DTthe answer1175NNanswer ...1176:... the1177DTthe answer1178NNanswer is1179VBZbe ,1180,, am1181VBPbe I1182PPI right1183JJright ,1184,, that1185WDTthat ...1186:... that1187IN/thatthat ,1188,, look1189VVlook ,1190,, for1191INfor what1192WDTwhat ...1193:... in1194INin an1195DTan EAJA1196NPEAJA case1197NNcase ,1198,, where1199WRBwhere you1200PPyou collect1201VVPcollect the1202DTthe money1203NNmoney from1204INfrom the1205DTthe government1206NNgovernment ,1207,, the1208DTthe lawyer1209NNlawyer gets1210VVZget money1211NNmoney from1212INfrom ...1213:... he1214PPhe takes1215VVZtake the1216DTthe fee1217NNfee out1218RPout of1219INof that1220DTthat ,1221,, is1222VBZbe that1223DTthat right1224NNright ?1225SENT? [MR. ORTIZ]1226LOC[MR. ORTIZ] The1227NPThe ...1228:... the1229DTthe attorney1230NNattorney has1231VHZhave to1232TOto effectively1233RBeffectively return1234VVreturn the1235DTthe lesser1236JJRlesser of1237INof the1238DTthe EAJA1239NPEAJA fee1240NNfee 81241CD8 or1242CCor the1243DTthe 4061244CD@card@ (1245(( b1246LSb )1247)) ...1248:... [JUSTICE BREYER]1249LOC[JUSTICE BREYER] Okay1250NPOkay .1251SENT. So1252RBso if1253INif ...1254:... if1255INif the1256DTthe amount1257NNamount from1258INfrom the1259DTthe client1260NNclient is1261VBZbe less1262JJRless than1263INthan the1264DTthe EAJA1265NPEAJA award1266NNaward ,1267,, the1268DTthe attorney1269NNattorney gets1270VVZget the1271DTthe ...1272:... the1273DTthe greater1274JJRgreat amount1275NNamount and1276CCand returns1277VVZreturn the1278DTthe other1279JJother to1280TOto the1281DTthe client1282NNclient ,1283,, so1284RBso the1285DTthe client1286NNclient does1287VVZdo n't1288RBn't pay1289VVpay ,1290,, okay1291RBokay ,1292,, anything1293NNanything perhaps1294RBperhaps .1295SENT. If1296INif there1297EXthere 's1298VBZbe no1299DTno EAJA1300NPEAJA award1301NNaward ,1302,, so1303RBso take1304VVtake that1305IN/thatthat out1306RBout of1307INof the1308DTthe picture1309NNpicture ,1310,, and1311CCand you1312PPyou win1313VVPwin this1314DTthis case1315NNcase ,1316,, there1317EXthere 's1318VBZbe yet1319RByet another1320DTanother check1321NNcheck that1322WDTthat has1323VHZhave to1324TOto be1325VBbe a1326DTa reasonable1327JJreasonable fee1328NNfee ,1329,, and1330CCand the1331DTthe ...1332:... the1333DTthe judge1334NNjudge is1335VBZbe in1336INin charge1337NNcharge of1338INof that1339DTthat .1340SENT. [MR. ORTIZ]1341LOC[MR. ORTIZ] Yes1342NPYes ,1343,, Your1344PP$your Honor1345NPHonor .1346SENT. [JUSTICE BREYER]1347LOC[JUSTICE BREYER] All1348DTall right1349NNright .1350SENT. Okay1351JJokay .1352SENT. So1353RBso it1354PPit has1355VHZhave to1356TOto escape1357VVescape that1358DTthat .1359SENT. But1360CCbut ,1361,, if1362INif it1363PPit does1364VVZdo escape1365VVescape that1366IN/thatthat ,1367,, then1368RBthen the1369DTthe lawyer1370NNlawyer can1371MDcan get1372VVget up1373RPup to1374TOto 501375CD@card@ percent1376NNpercent .1377SENT. That1378DTthat 's1379VBZbe the1380DTthe answer1381NNanswer ,1382,, is1383VBZbe that1384DTthat right1385NNright ?1386SENT? [MR. ORTIZ]1387LOC[MR. ORTIZ] The1388DTthe lawyer1389NNlawyer can1390MDcan be1391VBbe authorized1392VVNauthorize for1393INfor 501394CD@card@ percent1395NNpercent .1396SENT. [JUSTICE BREYER]1397LOC[JUSTICE BREYER] Yeah1398NPYeah ,1399,, yeah1400RByeah ,1401,, yeah1402RByeah .1403SENT. [MR. ORTIZ]1404LOC[MR. ORTIZ] That1405DTthat 's1406VBZbe possible1407JJpossible .1408SENT. [JUSTICE BREYER]1409LOC[JUSTICE BREYER] Look1410NPLook ,1411,, the1412DTthe lawyer1413NNlawyer can1414MDcan be1415VBbe authorized1416VVNauthorize ...1417:... I1418PPI mean1419VVPmean ,1420,, I1421PPI 'm1422VBPbe not1423RBnot trying1424VVGtry to1425TOto ...1426:... I1427PPI 'm1428VBPbe just1429RBjust trying1430VVGtry to1431TOto find1432VVfind ...1433:... get1434VVget the1435DTthe thing1436NNthing straight1437RBstraight in1438INin my1439PP$my mind1440NNmind .1441SENT. [MR. ORTIZ]1442LOC[MR. ORTIZ] Yes1443NPYes ,1444,, it1445PPit 's1446VBZbe possible1447JJpossible .1448SENT. [JUSTICE BREYER]1449LOC[JUSTICE BREYER] No1450NPNo EAJA1451NPEAJA fee1452NNfee of1453INof a1454DTa greater1455JJRgreat amount1456NNamount .1457SENT. The1458DTthe judge1459NNjudge does1460VVZdo n't1461RBn't say1462VVsay it1463PPit 's1464VBZbe an1465DTan unreasonable1466JJunreasonable thing1467NNthing to1468TOto do1469VVdo .1470SENT. And1471CCand the1472DTthe client1473NNclient has1474VHZhave the1475DTthe money1476NNmoney .1477SENT. And1478CCand then1479RBthen you1480PPyou could1481MDcould bring1482VVbring it1483PPit up1484RPup to1485TOto percent1486NNpercent ?1487SENT? [MR. ORTIZ]1488LOC[MR. ORTIZ] Yes1489NPYes ,1490,, Your1491PP$your Honor1492NPHonor .1493SENT. [JUSTICE BREYER]1494LOC[JUSTICE BREYER] And1495CCand your1496PP$your argument1497NNargument against1498INagainst that1499DTthat is1500VBZbe that1501WDTthat 's1502VBZbe like1503INlike the1504DTthe null1505JJnull set1506NNset ,1507,, unless1508INunless Gates1509NPGates happens1510VVZhappen to1511TOto be1512VBbe on1513INon welfare1514NNwelfare ,1515,, which1516WDTwhich I1517PPI think1518VVPthink he1519PPhe is1520VBZbe n't1521RBn't .1522SENT. [MR. ORTIZ]1523LOC[MR. ORTIZ] Yes1524NPYes .1525SENT. Well1526UHwell ,1527,, it1528PPit would1529MDwould make1530VVmake no1531DTno sense1532NNsense for1533INfor an1534DTan attorney1535NNattorney to1536TOto waste1537VVwaste his1538PP$his or1539CCor her1540PP$her time1541NNtime pursuing1542VVGpursue such1543JJsuch claimants1544NNSclaimant ,1545,, go1546VVPgo ...1547:... go1548VVgo after1549INafter people1550NNSpeople who1551WPwho are1552VBPbe essentially1553RBessentially judgment-proof1554JJjudgment-proof ,1555,, Your1556PP$your Honor1557NPHonor .1558SENT. And1559CCand I1560PPI ...1561:... it1562PPit 's1563VBZbe my1564PP$my understanding1565NNunderstanding that1566WDTthat 's1567VBZbe actually1568RBactually how1569WRBhow the1570DTthe work1571NNwork ...1572:... the1573DTthe world1574NNworld works1575VVZwork in1576INin practice1577NNpractice .1578SENT. The1579DTthe amicus1580NNamicus 's1581POS's brief1582NNbrief ...1583:... the1584DTthe ...1585:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]1586LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] I1587PPI have1588VHPhave a1589DTa question1590NNquestion that1591WDTthat bothers1592VVZbother me1593PPme greatly1594RBgreatly about1595INabout this1596DTthis whole1597JJwhole litigation1598NNlitigation .1599SENT. It1600PPit seems1601VVZseem like1602INlike your1603PP$your interests1604NNSinterest are1605VBPbe contrary1606JJcontrary to1607TOto your1608PP$your client1609NNclient 's1610POS's interests1611NNSinterest ,1612,, meaning1613VVGmean your1614PP$your client1615NNclient under1616INunder no1617DTno circumstance1618NNcircumstance should1619MDshould want1620VVwant the1621DTthe danger1622NNdanger of1623INof paying1624VVGpay more1625JJRmore than1626INthan the1627DTthe 251628CD@card@ percent1629NNpercent aggregate1630NNaggregate .1631SENT. So1632RBso should1633MDshould n't1634RBn't you1635PPyou have1636VHPhave gotten1637VVNget a1638DTa different1639JJdifferent lawyer1640NNlawyer for1641INfor her1642PPher in1643INin some1644DTsome point1645NNpoint in1646INin this1647DTthis litigation1648NNlitigation earlier1649RBRearlier than1650INthan here1651RBhere ?1652SENT? [MR. ORTIZ]1653LOC[MR. ORTIZ] No1654NPNo ,1655,, Your1656PP$your Honor1657NPHonor .1658SENT. Our1659PP$our client1660NNclient has1661VHZhave actually1662RBactually been1663VBNbe notified1664VVNnotify every1665DTevery step1666NNstep along1667INalong the1668DTthe way1669NNway about1670INabout what1671WPwhat ...1672:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]1673LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] That1674DTthat 's1675VBZbe not1676RBnot true1677JJtrue consent1678NNconsent .1679SENT. At1680INat least1681JJSleast when1682WRBwhen I1683PPI was1684VBDbe a1685DTa district1686NNdistrict court1687NNcourt judge1688NNjudge ,1689,, you1690PPyou had1691VHDhave to1692TOto not1693RBnot only1694RBonly advise1695VVadvise her1696PPher but1697CCbut advise1698VVadvise her1699PPher of1700INof the1701DTthe potential1702JJpotential conflict1703NNconflict and1704CCand advise1705VVadvise her1706PPher to1707TOto seek1708VVseek separate1709JJseparate counsel1710NNcounsel .1711SENT. Was1712VBDbe that1713RBthat done1714VVNdo ?1715SENT? [MR. ORTIZ]1716LOC[MR. ORTIZ] I1717PPI do1718VVPdo n't1719RBn't believe1720VVbelieve that1721IN/thatthat that1722WDTthat was1723VBDbe done1724VVNdo in1725INin this1726DTthis case1727NNcase .1728SENT. [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]1729LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] I1730PPI ...1731:... I1732PPI am1733VBPbe troubled1734VVNtrouble by1735INby these1736DTthese fee1737NNfee disputes1738VVZdispute because1739INbecause I1740PPI want1741VVPwant ...1742:... often1743RBoften wonder1744VVPwonder if1745INif clients1746NNSclient are1747VBPbe being1748VBGbe adequately1749RBadequately represented1750VVNrepresent once1751INonce the1752DTthe dispute1753NNdispute moves1754VVZmove from1755INfrom the1756DTthe main1757JJmain case1758NNcase and1759CCand into1760INinto how1761WRBhow much1762JJmuch you1763PPyou 're1764VBPbe entitled1765VVNentitle to1766TOto .1767SENT. [MR. ORTIZ]1768LOC[MR. ORTIZ] But1769CCbut ,1770,, in1771INin this1772DTthis case1773NNcase ,1774,, Your1775PP$your Honor1776NPHonor ,1777,, not1778RBnot only1779RBonly was1780VBDbe Ms1781NNMs .1782SENT. Wood1783NPWood informed1784VVDinform of1785INof what1786WPwhat was1787VBDbe happening1788VVGhappen ,1789,, but1790CCbut she1791PPshe had1792VHDhave consented1793VVNconsent to1794TOto it1795PPit .1796SENT. [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]1797LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] Not1798RBnot without1799INwithout being1800VBGbe told1801VVNtell of1802INof the1803DTthe potential1804JJpotential conflict1805NNconflict .1806SENT. [MR. ORTIZ]1807LOC[MR. ORTIZ] I1808PPI do1809VVPdo n't1810RBn't know1811VVknow in-depth1812JJin-depth how1813WRBhow much1814JJmuch it1815PPit was1816VBDbe explained1817VVNexplain to1818TOto her1819PPher .1820SENT. [JUSTICE GINSBURG]1821LOC[JUSTICE GINSBURG] Practically1822RBpractically ...1823:... practically1824RBpractically ,1825,, where1826WRBwhere would1827MDwould you1828PPyou ...1829:... you1830PPyou can1831MDcan 't1832RB't get1833VVget money1834NNmoney out1835RPout of1836INof the1837DTthe Social1838NPSocial Security1839NPSecurity benefits1840NNSbenefit ,1841,, if1842INif ...1843:... if1844INif they1845PPthey 've1846VHPhave been1847VBNbe exhausted1848VVNexhaust under1849INunder ...1850:... under1851INunder (1852(( b1853LSb )1854)) for1855INfor the1856DTthe court1857NNcourt work1858NNwork .1859SENT. So1860RBso where1861WRBwhere would1862MDwould you1863PPyou go1864VVgo to1865TOto get1866VVget ...1867:... to1868TOto get1869VVget that1870DTthat ...1871:... to1872TOto get1873VVget more1874JJRmore than1875INthan percent1876NNpercent ,1877,, not1878RBnot from1879INfrom Social1880NPSocial Security1881NPSecurity benefits1882NNSbenefit ,1883,, but1884CCbut some1885DTsome other1886JJother source1887NNsource ?1888SENT? [MR. ORTIZ]1889LOC[MR. ORTIZ] Your1890PP$your Honor1891NPHonor ,1892,, if1893INif there1894EXthere are1895VBPbe no1896DTno EAJA1897NPEAJA fees1898NNSfee in1899INin the1900DTthe picture1901NNpicture ,1902,, which1903WDTwhich would1904MDwould increase1905VVincrease the1906DTthe size1907NNsize ,1908,, effectively1909RBeffectively increase1910VVincrease the1911DTthe size1912NNsize of1913INof the1914DTthe pot1915NNpot ,1916,, and1917CCand the1918DTthe claimant1919NNclaimant can1920MDcan 't1921RB't pay1922VVpay any1923DTany more1924JJRmore money1925NNmoney ,1926,, you1927PPyou would1928MDwould take1929VVtake your1930PP$your lumps1931NNSlump and1932CCand leave1933VVleave .1934SENT. The1935DTthe lawyer1936NNlawyer at1937INat that1938DTthat point1939NNpoint would1940MDwould swallow1941VVswallow the1942DTthe loss1943NNloss in1944INin fees1945NNSfee ,1946,, is1947VBZbe typically1948RBtypically what1949WPwhat happens1950VVZhappen .1951SENT. There1952EXthere 's1953VBZbe no1954DTno sense1955NNsense in1956INin wasting1957VVGwaste time1958NNtime trying1959VVGtry to1960TOto squeeze1961VVsqueeze blood1962NNblood from1963INfrom a1964DTa turnip1965NNturnip .1966SENT. [JUSTICE GINSBURG]1967LOC[JUSTICE GINSBURG] Well1968UHWell ,1969,, would1970MDwould n't1971RBn't that1972RBthat ...1973:... if1974INif that1975WDTthat 's1976VBZbe the1977DTthe general1978JJgeneral case1979NNcase ,1980,, then1981RBthen what1982WPwhat are1983VBPbe the1984DTthe practical1985JJpractical consequences1986NNSconsequence of1987INof our1988PP$our agreeing1989VVGagree with1990INwith your1991PP$your position1992NNposition when1993WRBwhen you1994PPyou can1995MDcan 't1996RB't get1997VVget more1998RBRmore than1999INthan percent2000NNpercent out2001RPout of2002INof the2003DTthe Social2004NPSocial Security2005NPSecurity benefits2006VVZbenefit themselves2007PPthemselves ?2008SENT? [MR. ORTIZ]2009LOC[MR. ORTIZ] Well2010UHWell ,2011,, the2012DTthe practical2013JJpractical implications2014NNSimplication of2015INof the2016DTthe aggregate2017JJaggregate cap2018NNcap rule2019NNrule ,2020,, Your2021PP$your Honor2022NPHonor ,2023,, is2024VBZbe that2025IN/thatthat attorneys2026NNSattorney will2027MDwill be2028VBbe less2029RBRless willing2030JJwilling to2031TOto take2032VVtake on2033INon these2034DTthese cases2035NNScase ex-ante2036NNex-ante because2037INbecause they2038PPthey will2039MDwill understand2040VVunderstand that2041IN/thatthat in2042INin many2043JJmany cases2044NNScase they2045PPthey will2046MDwill not2047RBnot be2048VBbe getting2049VVGget fees2050NNSfee for2051INfor work2052NNwork in2053INin court2054NNcourt because2055INbecause that2056DTthat pool2057NNpool will2058MDwill have2059VHhave been2060VBNbe expanded2061VVNexpand ...2062:... expended2063VVNexpend .2064SENT. [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]2065LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] How2066WRBHow many2067JJmany cases2068NNScase have2069VHPhave EAJA2070NPEAJA awards2071NNSaward ?2072SENT? [MR. ORTIZ]2073LOC[MR. ORTIZ] In2074INin Gisbrecht2075NPGisbrecht ,2076,, Your2077PP$your Honor2078NPHonor ,2079,, it2080PPit ...2081:... the2082DTthe concurrence2083NNconcurrence mentioned2084VVDmention that2085IN/thatthat it2086PPit was2087VBDbe percent2088NNpercent .2089SENT. It2090PPit 's2091VBZbe our2092PP$our understanding2093NNunderstanding that2094IN/thatthat more2095JJRmore up-to-date2096JJup-to-date statistics2097NNSstatistic are2098VBPbe above2099INabove 402100CD@card@ percent2101NNpercent to2102TOto percent2103NNpercent ,2104,, somewhere2105RBsomewhere in2106INin there2107RBthere .2108SENT. [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]2109LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] So2110RBso in2111INin about2112RBabout 402113CD@card@ to2114TOto percent2115NNpercent of2116INof the2117DTthe cases2118NNScase there2119EXthere will2120MDwill always2121RBalways be2122VBbe a2123DTa pot2124NNpot bigger2125JJRbig than2126INthan the2127DTthe 252128CD@card@ percent2129NNpercent ?2130SENT? [MR. ORTIZ]2131LOC[MR. ORTIZ] Yes2132NPYes ,2133,, Your2134PP$your Honor2135NPHonor .2136SENT. But2137CCbut ...2138:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]2139LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] That2140DTthat 's2141VBZbe what2142WPwhat you2143PPyou 're2144VBPbe fighting2145VVGfight for2146INfor ,2147,, is2148VBZbe that2149IN/thatthat 252150CD@card@ percent2151NNpercent that2152WDTthat ...2153:... that2154DTthat ...2155:... that2156DTthat ...2157:... [MR. ORTIZ]2158LOC[MR. ORTIZ] Yes2159NPYes ,2160,, but2161CCbut the2162DTthe aggregate2163JJaggregate rule2164NNrule does2165VVZdo not2166RBnot allow2167VVallow the2168DTthe attorney2169NNattorney access2170NNaccess to2171TOto any2172DTany of2173INof that2174DTthat .2175SENT. The2176DTthe non-aggregate2177JJnon-aggregate approach2178NNapproach which2179WDTwhich we2180PPwe 're2181VBPbe advocating2182VVGadvocate does2183NNSdoe .2184SENT. [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]2185LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] Does2186VVZdo .2187SENT. [MR. ORTIZ]2188LOC[MR. ORTIZ] So2189RBso even2190RBeven under2191INunder ...2192:... so2193RBso under2194INunder the2195DTthe aggregate2196JJaggregate rule2197NNrule ,2198,, that2199DTthat extra2200JJextra money2201NNmoney under2202INunder EAJA2203NPEAJA is2204VBZbe simply2205RBsimply unavailable2206JJunavailable to2207TOto the2208DTthe attorney2209NNattorney .2210SENT. It2211PPit goes2212VVZgo straight2213RBstraight ...2214:... all2215RBall of2216INof it2217PPit would2218MDwould go2219VVgo straight2220RBstraight to2221TOto the2222DTthe client2223NNclient .2224SENT. Under2225INunder our2226PP$our approach2227NNapproach ,2228,, that2229DTthat attorney2230NNattorney ...2231:... that2232DTthat ...2233:... the2234DTthe EAJA2235NPEAJA award2236NNaward is2237VBZbe effectively2238RBeffectively split2239VVNsplit and2240CCand divided2241VVNdivide between2242INbetween the2243DTthe claimant2244NNclaimant and2245CCand the2246DTthe attorney2247NNattorney .2248SENT. [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]2249LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] (2250(( a2251DTa )2252)) (2253(( 42254LS4 )2255)) ,2256,, I2257PPI thought2258VVDthink ,2259,, established2260VVDestablish a2261DTa 252262CD@card@ percent2263NNpercent cap2264NNcap on2265INon the2266DTthe pool2267NNpool ,2268,, the2269DTthe statute2270NNstatute itself2271PPitself .2272SENT. You2273PPyou said2274VVDsay it2275PPit did2276VVDdo n't2277RBn't come2278VVcome from2279INfrom the2280DTthe statute2281NNstatute .2282SENT. Maybe2283RBmaybe I2284PPI 'm2285VBPbe misreading2286VVGmisread something2287NNsomething .2288SENT. [MR. ORTIZ]2289LOC[MR. ORTIZ] No2290NPNo ,2291,, (2292(( a2293DTa )2294)) (2295(( 42296LS4 )2297)) is2298VBZbe a2299DTa little2300JJlittle bit2301NNbit unclear2302JJunclear ,2303,, Your2304PP$your Honor2305NPHonor .2306SENT. (2307(( a2308DTa )2309)) (2310(( 42311LS4 )2312)) talks2313NNStalk about2314INabout the2315DTthe ...2316:... [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]2317LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] Well2318UHwell ,2319,, it2320PPit seems2321VVZseem very2322RBvery clear2323JJclear .2324SENT. It2325PPit says2326VVZsay 252327CD@card@ percent2328NNpercent .2329SENT. [MR. ORTIZ]2330LOC[MR. ORTIZ] No2331NPNo ,2332,, it2333PPit does2334VVZdo say2335VVsay percent2336NNpercent .2337SENT. But2338CCbut it2339PPit also2340RBalso says2341VVZsay the2342DTthe maximum2343JJmaximum fee2344NNfee ,2345,, which2346WDTwhich is2347VBZbe ...2348:... is2349VBZbe a2350DTa technical2351JJtechnical term2352NNterm for2353INfor the2354DTthe agency2355NNagency award2356NNaward .2357SENT. The2358DTthe maximum2359JJmaximum fee2360NNfee is2361VBZbe not2362RBnot a2363DTa term2364NNterm from2365INfrom 4062366CD@card@ (2367(( b2368LSb )2369)) .2370SENT. It2371PPit 's2372VBZbe from2373INfrom 4062374CD@card@ (2375(( a2376DTa )2377)) .2378SENT. [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]2379LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] But2380CCbut that2381DTthat ...2382:... that2383DTthat pool2384NNpool established2385VVNestablish under2386INunder (2387(( a2388DTa )2389)) (2390(( 42391LS4 )2392)) is2393VBZbe the2394DTthe only2395JJonly pool2396NNpool ,2397,, that2398WDTthat Justice2399NPJustice Ginsburg2400NPGinsburg has2401VHZhave been2402VBNbe referencing2403VVGreference ,2404,, that2405WDTthat 's2406VBZbe the2407DTthe only2408JJonly pool2409NNpool ,2410,, correct2411JJcorrect ?2412SENT? [MR. ORTIZ]2413LOC[MR. ORTIZ] That2414DTthat is2415VBZbe the2416DTthe only2417JJonly pool2418NNpool .2419SENT. The2420DTthe agency2421NNagency does2422VVZdo n't2423RBn't ...2424:... [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]2425LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] And2426CCand that2427WDTthat 's2428VBZbe capped2429VVNcap ,2430,, the2431DTthe pool2432NNpool is2433VBZbe capped2434VVNcap by2435INby statute2436NNstatute at2437INat 252438CD@card@ percent2439NNpercent ?2440SENT? [MR. ORTIZ]2441LOC[MR. ORTIZ] No2442NPNo ,2443,, Your2444PP$your Honor2445NPHonor .2446SENT. The2447DTthe pool2448NNpool ...2449:... the2450DTthe pool2451NNpool is2452VBZbe capped2453VVNcap with2454INwith respect2455NNrespect to2456TOto 4062457CD@card@ (2458(( b2459LSb )2460)) awards2461NNSaward at2462INat overall2463JJoverall ...2464:... at2465INat an2466DTan overall2467NNoverall of2468INof percent2469NNpercent by2470INby the2471DTthe agency2472NNagency .2473SENT. I2474PPI believe2475VVPbelieve my2476PP$my friend2477NNfriend Mr2478NNMr .2479SENT. Yang2480NPYang can2481MDcan perhaps2482RBperhaps answer2483VVanswer this2484DTthis better2485RBRwell .2486SENT. [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]2487LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] The2488DTthe regulations2489NNSregulation interpreting2490VVGinterpret that2491DTthat do2492VVPdo cap2493VVcap the2494DTthe pool2495NNpool then2496RBthen at2497INat percent2498NNpercent as2499INas well2500RBwell ?2501SENT? [MR. ORTIZ]2502LOC[MR. ORTIZ] They2503PPthey do2504VVPdo .2505SENT. But2506CCbut I2507PPI believe2508VVPbelieve that2509IN/thatthat the2510DTthe ...2511:... the2512DTthe ...2513:... the2514DTthe support2515NNsupport in2516INin the2517DTthe statute2518NNstatute that2519IN/thatthat they2520PPthey point2521VVPpoint to2522TOto for2523INfor that2524WDTthat is2525VBZbe not2526RBnot anything2527NNanything in2528INin 4062529CD@card@ (2530(( a2531DTa )2532)) but2533CCbut is2534VBZbe actually2535RBactually 4062536RB@card@ (2537(( b2538LSb )2539)) 's2540POS's language2541NNlanguage where2542WRBwhere it2543PPit says2544VVZsay that2545IN/thatthat a2546DTa ...2547:... that2548IN/thatthat the2549DTthe commissioner2550NNcommissioner may2551MDmay award2552VVaward ...2553:... it2554PPit 's2555VBZbe in2556INin 4062557CD@card@ ,2558,, it2559PPit 's2560VBZbe on2561INon page2562NNpage 82563CD8 (2564(( a2565DTa )2566)) of2567INof the2568DTthe government2569NNgovernment 's2570POS's opening2571NNopening merits2572NNSmerit brief2573JJbrief .2574SENT. About2575RBabout halfway2576RBhalfway down2577RBdown (2578(( b2579LSb )2580)) it2581PPit says2582VVZsay :2583:: And2584CCand the2585DTthe Commissioner2586NPCommissioner of2587INof Social2588NPSocial Security2589NPSecurity may2590MDmay ,2591,, notwithstanding2592RBnotwithstanding ...2593:... there2594EXthere 's2595VBZbe a2596DTa Section2597NNsection 4012598CD@card@ (2599(( i2600NPi )2601)) that2602WDTthat 's2603VBZbe titled2604VVNtitle but2605CCbut subject2606JJsubject to2607TOto subsection2608NNsubsection D2609NND ...2610:... certify2611VVcertify the2612DTthe amount2613NNamount of2614INof such2615JJsuch fee2616NNfee for2617INfor ...2618:... for2619INfor payment2620NNpayment to2621TOto such2622JJsuch attorney2623NNattorney out2624RPout of2625INof and2626CCand not2627RBnot in2628INin addition2629NNaddition to2630TOto the2631DTthe amount2632NNamount of2633INof such2634JJsuch past-due2635JJpast-due benefits2636NNSbenefit .2637SENT. And2638CCand the2639DTthe agency2640NNagency has2641VHZhave taken2642VVNtake the2643DTthe view2644NNview that2645IN/thatthat that2646WDTthat gives2647VVZgive it2648PPit the2649DTthe authority2650NNauthority ,2651,, discretionary2652JJdiscretionary authority2653NNauthority to2654TOto cap2655VVcap the2656DTthe overall2657JJoverall pool2658NNpool that2659WDTthat 's2660VBZbe available2661JJavailable for2662INfor 4062663CD@card@ (2664(( b2665LSb )2666)) awards2667VVZaward as2668RBas well2669RBwell .2670SENT. Your2671PP$your Honors2672NNShonors ,2673,, the2674DTthe ...2675:... the2676DTthe ...2677:... if2678INif I2679PPI may2680MDmay ,2681,, Your2682PP$your Honors2683NNShonors ,2684,, I2685PPI would2686MDwould like2687VVlike to2688TOto reserve2689VVreserve my2690PP$my remaining2691VVGremain time2692NNtime for2693INfor rebuttal2694NNrebuttal .2695SENT. [CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS]2696LOC[CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS] Thank2697VVthank you2698PPyou ,2699,, counsel2700NNcounsel .2701SENT. [MR. ORTIZ]2702LOC[MR. ORTIZ] Thank2703VVthank you2704PPyou .2705SENT. [CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS]2706LOC[CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS] Mr2707NPMr .2708SENT. Yang2709NPYang .2710SENT.