[MS. JOHNSON]20LOC[MS. JOHNSON] Mr21NPMr .22SENT. Chief23NPChief Justice24NPJustice ,25,, and26CCand may27MDmay it28PPit please29VVplease the30DTthe Court31NPCourt :32:: The33DTthe only34JJonly plausible35JJplausible interpretation36NNinterpretation of37INof all38DTall of39INof the40DTthe evidence41NNevidence viewed42VVDview cumulatively43RBcumulatively is44VBZbe that45IN/thatthat Doug46NPDoug Evans47NPEvans began48VVDbegin jury49NNjury selection50NNselection in51INin Flowers52NPFlowers VI53NPVI with54INwith an55DTan unconstitutional56JJunconstitutional end57NNend in58INin mind59NNmind ,60,, to61TOto seat62NNseat as63INas few64JJfew African65JJAfrican American66JJAmerican jurors67NNSjuror as68INas he69PPhe could70MDcould .71SENT. The72DTthe numbers73NNSnumber alone74RBalone are75VBPbe striking76JJstriking .77SENT. In78INin the79DTthe first80JJfirst four81CDfour trials82NNStrial ,83,, Mr84NPMr .85SENT. Evans86NPEvans exercised87VVDexercise 3688CD@card@ peremptory89JJperemptory challenges90NNSchallenge ,91,, all92RBall of93INof them94PPthem against95INagainst African96JJAfrican American97JJAmerican jurors98NNSjuror .99SENT. In100INin the101DTthe sixth102JJsixth trial103NNtrial ,104,, he105PPhe exercised106VVDexercise five107CDfive out108NNout of109INof six110CDsix of111INof his112PP$his challenges113NNSchallenge against114INagainst African115JJAfrican American116JJAmerican jurors117NNSjuror .118SENT. If119INif we120PPwe look121VVPlook at122INat the123DTthe numbers124NNSnumber of125INof his126PP$his ...127:... regarding128VVGregard his129PP$his questioning130JJquestioning ,131,, they132PPthey are133VBPbe likewise134RBlikewise stark135JJstark .136SENT. He137PPhe asked138VVDask of139INof the140DTthe struck141VVNstrike African142JJAfrican American143JJAmerican jurors144NNSjuror an145DTan average146NNaverage of147INof 29148CD@card@ questions149NNSquestion .150SENT. He151PPhe asked152VVDask of153INof the154DTthe seated155VVNseat white156JJwhite jurors157NNSjuror an158DTan average159NNaverage of160INof 1161CD1 .162SENT. 1163CD1 questions164NNSquestion .165SENT. But166CCbut these167DTthese numbers168NNSnumber do169VVPdo not170RBnot stand171VVstand alone172RBalone .173SENT. Mr174NPMr .175SENT. Evans176NPEvans was177VBDbe twice178RBtwice found179VVNfind to180TOto have181VHhave discriminated182VVNdiscriminate on183INon the184DTthe basis185NNbasis of186INof race187NNrace in188INin the189DTthe exercise190NNexercise of191INof his192PP$his peremptory193JJperemptory challenges194NNSchallenge against195INagainst African196JJAfrican American197JJAmerican defendants198NNSdefendant in199INin trials200NNStrial of201INof the202DTthe same203JJsame case204NNcase against205INagainst the206DTthe same207JJsame defendant208NNdefendant .209SENT. There210EXthere is211VBZbe no212DTno one213CDone who214WPwho has215VHZhave a216DTa record217NNrecord of218INof discrimination219NNdiscrimination ,220,, adjudicated221VVNadjudicate discrimination222NNdiscrimination ,223,, like224INlike that225IN/thatthat of226INof Mr227NPMr .228SENT. Evans229NPEvans .230SENT. [JUSTICE ALITO]231LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] The232DTthe history233NNhistory of234INof the235DTthe case236NNcase prior237RBprior to238TOto this239DTthis trial240NNtrial is241VBZbe very242RBvery troubling243JJtroubling ,244,, and245CCand you246PPyou 've247VHPhave summarized248VVNsummarize that249RBthat .250SENT. And251CCand it252PPit is253VBZbe ...254:... it255PPit is256VBZbe cause257NNcause for258INfor concern259NNconcern and260CCand is261VBZbe certainly262RBcertainly relevant263JJrelevant to264TOto the265DTthe decision266NNdecision that267WDTthat ultimately268RBultimately has269VHZhave to270TOto be271VBbe made272VVNmake in273INin the274DTthe case275NNcase .276SENT. But277CCbut if278INif we279PPwe were280VBDbe ...281:... and282CCand I283PPI 'm284VBPbe not285RBnot suggesting286VVGsuggest that287IN/thatthat this288DTthis is289VBZbe the290DTthe way291NNway it292PPit should293MDshould be294VBbe analyzed295VVNanalyze ;296:; this297DTthis is298VBZbe not299RBnot the300DTthe way301NNway it302PPit should303MDshould be304VBbe analyzed305VVNanalyze ...306:... but307CCbut ,308,, if309INif we310PPwe were311VBDbe to312TOto disregard313VVdisregard everything314NNeverything that315WDTthat happened316VVDhappen before317INbefore this318DTthis trial319NNtrial ,320,, and321CCand we322PPwe looked323VVDlook at324INat the325DTthe strikes326NNSstrike of327INof the328DTthe black329JJblack prospective330JJprospective jurors331NNSjuror as332INas we333PPwe would334MDwould in335INin any336DTany other337JJother Batson338NPBatson case339NNcase ,340,, do341VVPdo you342PPyou think343VVPthink you344PPyou 'd345MDwould have346VHhave much347JJmuch chance348NNchance of349INof winning350VVGwin ?351SENT? [MS. JOHNSON]352LOC[MS. JOHNSON] The353DTthe evidence354NNevidence still355RBstill is356VBZbe clear357JJclear and358CCand convincing359VVGconvince that360DTthat Mr361NPMr .362SENT. Evans363NPEvans acted364VVDact with365INwith discriminatory366JJdiscriminatory motivation367NNmotivation in368INin this369DTthis case370NNcase ,371,, even372RBeven if373INif we374PPwe set375VVDset aside376RPaside his377PP$his history378NNhistory and379CCand his380PP$his ...381:... the382DTthe reasons383NNSreason that384IN/thatthat he385PPhe was386VBDbe unwilling387JJunwilling to388TOto tell389VVtell the390DTthe truth391NNtruth in392INin previous393JJprevious cases394NNScase .395SENT. [JUSTICE ALITO]396LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] I397PPI mean398VVPmean ,399,, if400INif we401PPwe look402VVPlook at403INat ...404:... at405INat the406DTthe jurors407NNSjuror in408INin question409NNquestion one410CDone by411INby one412CDone ,413,, there414EXthere are415VBPbe aspects416NNSaspect that417IN/thatthat I418PPI think419VVPthink would420MDwould cause421VVcause any422DTany prosecutor423NNprosecutor anywhere424RBanywhere to425TOto want426VVwant to427TOto get428VVget that429DTthat jury430NNjury ...431:... that432DTthat juror433NNjuror off434INoff the435DTthe jury436NNjury .437SENT. You438PPyou know439VVPknow ,440,, there441EXthere 's442VBZbe a443DTa juror444NNjuror who445WPwho said446VVDsay that447IN/thatthat she448PPshe ...449:... she450PPshe could451MDcould n't452RBn't view453VVview the454DTthe evidence455NNevidence objectively456RBobjectively .457SENT. She458PPshe could459MDcould n't460RBn't make461VVmake a462DTa decision463NNdecision based464VVNbase just465RBjust on466INon the467DTthe evidence468NNevidence .469SENT. There470EXthere 's471VBZbe one472CDone who473WPwho said474VVDsay that475IN/thatthat she476PPshe ...477:... because478INbecause of479INof her480PP$her acquaintance481NNacquaintance with482INwith members483NNSmember of484INof the485DTthe Flowers486NPFlowers family487NNfamily ,488,, she489PPshe would490MDwould lean491VVlean toward492INtoward the493DTthe defendant494NNdefendant .495SENT. Another496DTanother one497CDone who498WPwho admitted499VVDadmit that500IN/thatthat she501PPshe made502VVDmake a503DTa false504JJfalse statement505NNstatement on506INon her507PP$her juror508NNjuror questionnaire509NNquestionnaire because510INbecause she511PPshe 'd512MDwould say513VVsay anything514NNanything to515TOto get516VVget off517RPoff the518DTthe jury519NNjury .520SENT. I521PPI mean522VVPmean ,523,, do524VVPdo you525PPyou think526VVPthink those527DTthose are528VBPbe ...529:... those530DTthose are531VBPbe Batson532NPBatson claims533NNSclaim that534WDTthat would535MDwould likely536RBlikely succeed537VVsucceed if538INif this539DTthis troubling540JJtroubling history541NNhistory had542VHDhave not543RBnot preceded544VVNprecede this545DTthis case546NNcase ?547SENT? [MS. JOHNSON]548LOC[MS. JOHNSON] This549NPThis Court550NPCourt has551VHZhave demanded552VVNdemand a553DTa sensitive554JJsensitive inquiry555NNinquiry into556INinto all557DTall of558INof the559DTthe circumstances560NNScircumstance that561WDTthat prove562VVPprove racial563JJracial discrimination564NNdiscrimination .565SENT. And566CCand ,567,, again568RBagain ,569,, even570RBeven setting571VVGset aside572RPaside his573PP$his history574NNhistory ,575,, there576EXthere are577VBPbe many578JJmany circumstances579NNScircumstance here580RBhere that581WDTthat suggest582VVPsuggest racial583JJracial ...584:... racial585JJracial motivation586NNmotivation .587SENT. First588RBfirst ,589,, as590INas I591PPI already592RBalready said593VVDsay ,594,, there595EXthere is596VBZbe an597DTan extraordinary598JJextraordinary record599NNrecord of600INof disparate601JJdisparate questioning602VVGquestion .603SENT. And604CCand the605DTthe disparate606JJdisparate questioning607JJquestioning is608VBZbe not609RBnot limited610VVNlimit to611TOto those612DTthose numbers613NNSnumber but614CCbut to615TOto the616DTthe tone617NNtone of618INof his619PP$his questioning620VVGquestion .621SENT. I622PPI believe623VVPbelieve that624IN/thatthat one625CDone of626INof the627DTthe ...628:... the629DTthe responses630NNSresponse that631IN/thatthat you632PPyou quoted633VVDquote came634VVDcome from635INfrom an636DTan extremely637RBextremely aggressive638JJaggressive pursuit639NNpursuit of640INof an641DTan African642JJAfrican American643JJAmerican juror644NNjuror who645WPwho initially646RBinitially said647VVDsay she648PPshe would649MDwould not650RBnot be651VBbe troubled652VVNtrouble and653CCand ultimately654RBultimately said655VVDsay it656PPit 's657VBZbe possible658JJpossible .659SENT. Now660RBnow ,661,, of662INof course663NNcourse ,664,, a665DTa prosecutor666NNprosecutor could667MDcould take668VVtake that669DTthat approach670NNapproach with671INwith every672DTevery juror673NNjuror .674SENT. If675INif he676PPhe took677VVDtake that678IN/thatthat aggressive679JJaggressive approach680NNapproach with681INwith every682DTevery juror683NNjuror ,684,, then685RBthen there686RBthere would687MDwould be688VBbe nothing689NNnothing to690TOto complain691VVcomplain about692RBabout .693SENT. But694CCbut he695PPhe did696VVDdo not697RBnot take698VVtake that699DTthat approach700NNapproach with701INwith white702JJwhite jurors703NNSjuror .704SENT. And705CCand then706RBthen there707EXthere is708VBZbe his709PP$his out-of-court710JJout-of-court investigation711NNinvestigation of712INof three713CDthree African714JJAfrican American715JJAmerican jurors716NNSjuror .717SENT. And718CCand then719RBthen there720EXthere are721VBPbe ...722:... [JUSTICE ALITO]723LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] But724CCbut what725WPwhat ...726:... what727WPwhat 's728VBZbe wrong729JJwrong with730INwith that731DTthat ?732SENT? Again733RBagain ,734,, putting735VVGput aside736RPaside the737DTthe reasons738NNSreason to739TOto be740VBbe suspicious741JJsuspicious ,742,, if743INif a744DTa juror745NNjuror says746VVZsay ,747,, I748PPI do749VVPdo n't750RBn't ...751:... I752PPI did753VVDdo n't754RBn't work755VVwork ...756:... I757PPI do758VVPdo n't759RBn't work760VVwork closely761RBclosely with762INwith the763DTthe defendant764NNdefendant 's765POS's sister766NNsister ,767,, I768PPI do769VVPdo n't770RBn't work771VVwork close772RBclose to773TOto the774DTthe defendant775NNdefendant 's776POS's sister777NNsister ,778,, and779CCand the780DTthe prosecutor781NNprosecutor has782VHZhave reason783NNreason to784TOto suspect785VVsuspect that786DTthat 's787VBZbe not788RBnot true789JJtrue ,790,, is791VBZbe there792RBthere something793NNsomething wrong794JJwrong with795INwith the796DTthe prosecutor797NNprosecutor going798VVGgo to799TOto the800DTthe human801JJhuman relations802NNSrelation person803NNperson at804INat that805DTthat place806NNplace of807INof employment808NNemployment and809CCand bringing810VVGbring that811DTthat person812NNperson in813INin to814TOto testify815VVtestify they816PPthey actually817RBactually work818VVPwork nine819CDnine to820TOto ten821CDten inches822NNSinch apart823RBapart ?824SENT? Is825VBZbe something826NNsomething wrong827JJwrong with828INwith that829DTthat ?830SENT? [MS. JOHNSON]831LOC[MS. JOHNSON] There832EXthere 's833VBZbe nothing834NNnothing wrong835JJwrong with836INwith that837IN/thatthat if838INif there839EXthere was840VBDbe reason841NNreason to842TOto disbelieve843VVdisbelieve the844DTthe juror845NNjuror .846SENT. The847DTthe juror848NNjuror volunteered849VVDvolunteer that850IN/thatthat she851PPshe knew852VVDknow her853PPher ,854,, that855IN/thatthat she856PPshe worked857VVDwork in858INin that859DTthat place860NNplace .861SENT. There862RBthere ...863:... Mr864NPMr .865SENT. Evans866NPEvans cited867VVDcite no868DTno reason869NNreason that870IN/thatthat he871PPhe should872MDshould not873RBnot believe874VVbelieve her875PPher .876SENT. But877CCbut ,878,, also879RBalso ,880,, what881WPwhat happens882VVZhappen after883INafter that884WDTthat is885VBZbe somewhat886RBsomewhat suspicious887JJsuspicious ,888,, which889WDTwhich is890VBZbe he891PPhe brings892VVZbring someone893NNsomeone in894INin to895TOto say896VVsay :897:: Well898UHWell ,899,, they900PPthey worked901VVDwork very902RBvery close903VVclose together904RBtogether .905SENT. And906CCand that907DTthat someone908NNsomeone says909VVZsay :910:: And911CCand I912PPI could913MDcould produce914VVproduce the915DTthe evidence916NNevidence .917SENT. And918CCand when919WRBwhen asked920VVNask to921TOto produce922VVproduce the923DTthe evidence924NNevidence of925INof that926DTthat ,927,, the928DTthe records929NNSrecord that930WDTthat produce931VVPproduce it932PPit ,933,, he934PPhe does935VVZdo n't936RBn't come937VVcome back938RBback with939INwith that940DTthat evidence941NNevidence .942SENT. 2943CD2 So944RBso I945PPI think946VVPthink we947PPwe could948MDcould certainly949RBcertainly ...950:... a951DTa prosecutor952NNprosecutor could953MDcould ...954:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]955LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] Wait956NNwait .957SENT. [MS. JOHNSON]958LOC[MS. JOHNSON] ...959:... and960CCand a961DTa rich962JJrich prosecutor963NNprosecutor might964MDmight investigate965VVinvestigate all966DTall ...967:... [JUSTICE ALITO]968LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] What969WPWhat is970VBZbe your971PP$your strongest972JJSstrong ...973:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]974LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] Did975VVDdo he976PPhe ...977:... did978VVDdo he979PPhe have980VHPhave that981DTthat witness982NNwitness ready983JJready that984IN/thatthat same985JJsame day986NNday ,987,, or988CCor did989VVDdo ...990:... [MS. JOHNSON]991LOC[MS. JOHNSON] No992RBno ,993,, he994PPhe brought995VVDbring the996DTthe witness997NNwitness back998RBback the999DTthe next1000JJnext day1001NNday .1002SENT. [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]1003LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] The1004DTthe next1005JJnext day1006NNday ,1007,, okay1008JJokay .1009SENT. [JUSTICE ALITO]1010LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] What1011WPWhat is1012VBZbe your1013PP$your strongest1014JJSstrong strike1015NNstrike ?1016SENT? [MS. JOHNSON]1017LOC[MS. JOHNSON] I1018PPI ...1019:... I1020PPI think1021VVPthink the1022DTthe most1023JJSmost ...1024:... the1025DTthe clearest1026JJSclear case1027NNcase is1028VBZbe that1029IN/thatthat of1030INof Carolyn1031NPCarolyn Wright1032NPWright .1033SENT. Carolyn1034NPCarolyn Wright1035NPWright ...1036:... about1037INabout Carolyn1038NPCarolyn Wright1039NPWright ,1040,, he1041PPhe made1042VVDmake three1043CDthree false1044JJfalse statements1045NNSstatement .1046SENT. The1047DTthe first1048JJfirst statement1049NNstatement he1050PPhe made1051VVDmake was1052VBDbe that1053IN/thatthat her1054PP$her wages1055NNSwage were1056VBDbe garnished1057VVNgarnish .1058SENT. That1059DTthat was1060VBDbe not1061RBnot ...1062:... [JUSTICE ALITO]1063LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] Well1064UHWell ,1065,, actually1066RBactually ,1067,, we1068PPwe have1069VHPhave found1070VVNfind that1071IN/thatthat ,1072,, in1073INin the1074DTthe record1075NNrecord with1076INwith a1077DTa state1078NNstate exhibit1079NNexhibit on1080INon it1081PPit ,1082,, a1083DTa judgment1084NNjudgment that1085WDTthat shows1086VVZshow that1087IN/thatthat her1088PP$her wages1089NNSwage were1090VBDbe garnished1091VVNgarnish .1092SENT. [MS. JOHNSON]1093LOC[MS. JOHNSON] No1094NPNo ,1095,, the1096DTthe wages1097NNSwage ...1098:... there1099EXthere 's1100VBZbe a1101DTa mark1102NNmark that1103WDTthat shows1104VVZshow that1105IN/thatthat there1106EXthere was1107VBDbe such1108PDTsuch a1109DTa request1110NNrequest ,1111,, but1112CCbut both1113CCboth the1114DTthe trial1115NNtrial court1116NNcourt and1117CCand the1118DTthe Mississippi1119NPMississippi Supreme1120NPSupreme Court1121NPCourt looked1122VVDlook at1123INat that1124DTthat record1125NNrecord and1126CCand found1127VVDfind that1128IN/thatthat her1129PP$her wages1130NNSwage had1131VHDhave not1132RBnot been1133VBNbe garnished1134VVNgarnish .1135SENT. And1136CCand in1137INin ...1138:... [JUSTICE ALITO]1139LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] Well1140UHwell ,1141,, we1142PPwe can1143MDcan look1144VVlook at1145INat that1146DTthat .1147SENT. We1148PPwe can1149MDcan look1150VVlook at1151INat the1152DTthe judgment1153NNjudgment .1154SENT. But1155CCbut the1156DTthe fact1157NNfact remains1158VVZremain that1159IN/thatthat she1160PPshe was1161VBDbe ...1162:... this1163DTthis was1164VBDbe ...1165:... one1166CDone of1167INof the1168DTthe victims1169NNSvictim was1170VBDbe the1171DTthe proprietor1172NNproprietor of1173INof ...1174:... of1175INof a1176DTa family-owned1177JJfamily-owned store1178NNstore ,1179,, right1180RBright ?1181SENT? That1182DTthat 's1183VBZbe a1184DTa family-owned1185JJfamily-owned store1186NNstore ?1187SENT? [MS. JOHNSON]1188LOC[MS. JOHNSON] Correct1189JJcorrect .1190SENT. [JUSTICE ALITO]1191LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] And1192CCand the1193DTthe store1194NNstore ...1195:... the1196DTthe store1197NNstore sued1198VVDsue her1199PPher ?1200SENT? [MS. JOHNSON]1201LOC[MS. JOHNSON] Well1202UHWell ,1203,, the1204DTthe store1205NNstore sued1206VVDsue her1207PPher .1208SENT. The1209DTthe victim1210NNvictim herself1211PPherself had1212VHDhave not1213RBnot sued1214VVNsue her1215PPher .1216SENT. [JUSTICE ALITO]1217LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] Well1218UHWell ,1219,, but1220CCbut the1221DTthe store1222NNstore did1223VVDdo .1224SENT. [MS. JOHNSON]1225LOC[MS. JOHNSON] It1226PPit 's1227VBZbe the1228DTthe son-in-law1229NNson-in-law later1230RBRlater that1231IN/thatthat sued1232VVNsue her1233PPher .1234SENT. [JUSTICE ALITO]1235LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] But1236CCbut ,1237,, normally1238RBnormally ,1239,, would1240MDwould n't1241RBn't that1242RBthat ...1243:... you1244PPyou know1245VVPknow ,1246,, again1247RBagain ,1248,, put1249VVput aside1250RPaside the1251DTthe history1252NNhistory .1253SENT. We1254PPwe ...1255:... but1256CCbut we1257PPwe can1258MDcan 't1259RB't ...1260:... in1261INin the1262DTthe end1263NNend ,1264,, we1265PPwe can1266MDcan 't1267RB't do1268VVPdo it1269PPit ,1270,, but1271CCbut if1272INif you1273PPyou did1274VVDdo ,1275,, do1276VVPdo n't1277RBn't you1278PPyou think1279VVPthink a1280DTa prosecutor1281NNprosecutor or1282CCor any1283DTany attorney1284NNattorney would1285MDwould be1286VBbe very1287RBvery wary1288JJwary of1289INof having1290VHGhave a1291DTa ...1292:... a1293DTa juror1294NNjuror who1295WPwho had1296VHDhave been1297VBNbe sued1298VVNsue by1299INby one1300CDone of1301INof the1302DTthe parties1303NNSparty ?1304SENT? [MS. JOHNSON]1305LOC[MS. JOHNSON] I1306PPI think1307VVPthink that1308IN/thatthat if1309INif this1310DTthis prosecutor1311NNprosecutor had1312VHDhave pursued1313VVNpursue bias1314NNbias with1315INwith respect1316NNrespect to1317TOto white1318JJwhite jurors1319NNSjuror as1320RBas well1321RBwell as1322INas African1323JJAfrican American1324JJAmerican jurors1325NNSjuror ,1326,, and1327CCand then1328RBthen made1329VVDmake that1330DTthat strike1331NNstrike ,1332,, then1333RBthen that1334DTthat would1335MDwould be1336VBbe a1337DTa strike1338NNstrike that1339WDTthat would1340MDwould be1341VBbe a1342DTa permissible1343JJpermissible strike1344NNstrike .1345SENT. But1346CCbut ,1347,, in1348INin fact1349NNfact ,1350,, he1351PPhe did1352VVDdo n't1353RBn't do1354VVdo that1355DTthat .1356SENT. So1357RBso ,1358,, first1359JJfirst of1360INof all1361DTall ,1362,, I1363PPI do1364VVPdo want1365VVwant to1366TOto notice1367VVnotice that1368IN/thatthat this1369DTthis was1370VBDbe one1371CDone of1372INof four1373CDfour victims1374NNSvictim .1375SENT. It1376PPit does1377VVZdo seem1378VVseem rather1379RBrather unlikely1380JJunlikely that1381IN/thatthat a1382DTa person1383NNperson in1384INin a1385DTa quadruple1386JJquadruple homicide1387NNhomicide case1388NNcase would1389MDwould be1390VBbe biased1391VVNbias by1392INby a1393DTa subsequent1394JJsubsequent suit1395NNsuit of1396INof one1397CDone of1398INof the1399DTthe relatives1400NNSrelative .1401SENT. But1402CCbut ,1403,, even1404RBeven if1405INif we1406PPwe thought1407VVDthink that1408IN/thatthat that1409WDTthat were1410VBDbe true1411JJtrue ,1412,, one1413PPone would1414MDwould have1415VHhave imagined1416VVNimagine that1417IN/thatthat the1418DTthe prosecutor1419NNprosecutor would1420MDwould have1421VHhave inquired1422VVDinquire about1423INabout bias1424NNbias with1425INwith respect1426NNrespect to1427TOto the1428DTthe other1429JJother victims1430NNSvictim .1431SENT. [JUSTICE GINSBURG]1432LOC[JUSTICE GINSBURG] Was1433VBDbe n't1434RBn't there1435RBthere a1436DTa question1437NNquestion asked1438VVDask of1439INof the1440DTthe entire1441JJentire array1442NNarray of1443INof whether1444INwhether they1445PPthey had1446VHDhave any1447DTany debts1448NNSdebt to1449TOto the1450DTthe ...1451:... to1452TOto the1453DTthe store1454NNstore ?1455SENT? [MS. JOHNSON]1456LOC[MS. JOHNSON] Yes1457NPYes ,1458,, but1459CCbut there1460EXthere was1461VBDbe no1462DTno question1463NNquestion asked1464VVNask about1465INabout suits1466NNSsuit or1467CCor disputes1468NNSdispute with1469INwith other1470JJother ...1471:... with1472INwith the1473DTthe other1474JJother three1475CDthree victims1476NNSvictim ,1477,, nor1478CCnor was1479VBDbe there1480RBthere an1481DTan inquiry1482NNinquiry into1483INinto bias1484NNbias that1485IN/thatthat I1486PPI think1487VVPthink any1488DTany rational1489JJrational prosecutor1490NNprosecutor would1491MDwould have1492VHhave made1493VVNmake if1494INif concerned1495JJconcerned ,1496,, truly1497RBtruly ,1498,, about1499INabout bias1500NNbias ,1501,, which1502WDTwhich was1503VBDbe lawsuits1504NNSlawsuit ,1505,, prosecutions1506NNSprosecution of1507INof the1508DTthe jurors1509NNSjuror and1510CCand their1511PP$their close1512JJclose relatives1513NNSrelative by1514INby his1515PP$his office1516NNoffice .1517SENT. The1518DTthe prosecutor1519NNprosecutor made1520VVDmake no1521DTno inquiry1522NNinquiry about1523INabout that1524DTthat .1525SENT. If1526INif you1527PPyou were1528VBDbe worried1529VVNworry about1530INabout bias1531NNbias ,1532,, you1533PPyou would1534MDwould be1535VBbe worried1536VVNworry about1537INabout that1538DTthat .1539SENT. If1540INif you1541PPyou were1542VBDbe ...1543:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]1544LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] Did1545VVDdo he1546PPhe even1547RBeven ask1548VVPask Ms1549NNMs .1550SENT. Wright1551NPWright how1552WRBhow she1553PPshe felt1554VVDfeel about1555INabout that1556DTthat suit1557NNsuit and1558CCand whether1559INwhether it1560PPit would1561MDwould affect1562VVaffect her1563PPher in1564INin this1565DTthis case1566NNcase ?1567SENT? [MS. JOHNSON]1568LOC[MS. JOHNSON] In1569INin fact1570NNfact ,1571,, she1572PPshe was1573VBDbe asked1574VVNask about1575INabout the1576DTthe suit1577NNsuit .1578SENT. And1579CCand when1580WRBwhen she1581PPshe was1582VBDbe asked1583VVNask about1584INabout that1585DTthat suit1586NNsuit ,1587,, what1588WPwhat she1589PPshe said1590VVDsay is1591VBZbe that1592IN/thatthat she1593PPshe had1594VHDhave paid1595VVNpay the1596DTthe debt1597NNdebt and1598CCand that1599IN/thatthat she1600PPshe had1601VHDhave no1602DTno ill1603JJill will1604NNwill toward1605INtoward the1606DTthe Tardys1607NPTardys .1608SENT. And1609CCand ,1610,, indeed1611RBindeed ,1612,, if1613INif we1614PPwe follow1615VVPfollow up1616RPup on1617INon this1618DTthis reason1619NNreason ,1620,, I1621PPI think1622VVPthink this1623DTthis reason1624NNreason is1625VBZbe especially1626RBespecially suspicious1627JJsuspicious because1628INbecause he1629PPhe cited1630VVDcite the1631DTthe same1632JJsame reason1633NNreason with1634INwith respect1635NNrespect to1636TOto Edith1637NPEdith Burnside1638NPBurnside .1639SENT. So1640RBso ,1641,, first1642JJfirst of1643INof all1644DTall ,1645,, he1646PPhe said1647VVDsay ...1648:... with1649INwith respect1650NNrespect to1651TOto Edith1652NPEdith Burnside1653NPBurnside ,1654,, he1655PPhe repeated1656VVDrepeat the1657DTthe false1658JJfalse statement1659NNstatement that1660IN/thatthat her1661PP$her wages1662NNSwage had1663VHDhave been1664VBNbe garnished1665VVNgarnish ,1666,, despite1667INdespite the1668DTthe fact1669NNfact of1670INof having1671VHGhave been1672VBNbe called1673VVNcall by1674INby the1675DTthe trial1676NNtrial court1677NNcourt on1678INon it1679PPit the1680DTthe first1681JJfirst time1682NNtime ,1683,, and1684CCand then1685RBthen he1686PPhe said1687VVDsay that1688IN/thatthat he1689PPhe was1690VBDbe striking1691VVGstrike her1692PPher in1693INin part1694NNpart on1695INon that1696DTthat basis1697NNbasis .1698SENT. But1699CCbut Ms1700NNMs .1701SENT. Burnside1702NPBurnside had1703VHDhave ...1704:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]1705LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] Can1706MDcan you1707PPyou go1708VVgo back1709RBback ,1710,, and1711CCand ...1712:... and1713CCand just1714RBjust slow1715VVslow down1716RPdown a1717DTa second1718NNsecond ?1719SENT? You1720PPyou said1721VVDsay to1722TOto Justice1723NPJustice Alito1724NPAlito that1725IN/thatthat that1726DTthat record1727NNrecord in1728INin ...1729:... that1730DTthat state1731NNstate record1732NNrecord that1733WDTthat says1734VVZsay something1735NNsomething about1736INabout garnishment1737NNgarnishment ,1738,, that1739IN/thatthat the1740DTthe state1741NNstate courts1742NNScourt found1743VVDfind that1744IN/thatthat that1745WDTthat was1746VBDbe not1747RBnot adequate1748JJadequate .1749SENT. Could1750MDcould you1751PPyou explain1752VVexplain why1753WRBwhy not1754RBnot ?1755SENT? [MS. JOHNSON]1756LOC[MS. JOHNSON] Well1757UHWell ...1758:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]1759LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] That1760DTthat judgment1761NNjudgment in1762INin the1763DTthe record1764NNrecord ,1765,, what1766WPwhat is1767VBZbe it1768PPit or1769CCor ...1770:... [MS. JOHNSON]1771LOC[MS. JOHNSON] The1772DTthe judgment1773NNjudgment ...1774:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]1775LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] ...1776:... that1777DTthat ...1778:... it1779PPit 's1780VBZbe not1781RBnot a1782DTa ...1783:... it1784PPit 's1785VBZbe a1786DTa form1787NNform in1788INin the1789DTthe record1790NNrecord ,1791,, but1792CCbut what1793WPwhat does1794VVZdo it1795PPit mean1796VVmean ?1797SENT? [MS. JOHNSON]1798LOC[MS. JOHNSON] The1799DTthe form1800NNform in1801INin the1802DTthe record1803NNrecord reflects1804VVZreflect a1805DTa suit1806NNsuit ,1807,, and1808CCand there1809EXthere 's1810VBZbe a1811DTa little1812JJlittle check1813NNcheck by1814INby garnishment1815NNgarnishment .1816SENT. But1817CCbut ,1818,, if1819INif you1820PPyou look1821VVPlook at1822INat the1823DTthe order1824NNorder at1825INat the1826DTthe end1827NNend ,1828,, there1829EXthere is1830VBZbe no1831DTno garnishment1832NNgarnishment order1833NNorder .1834SENT. The1835DTthe trial1836NNtrial court1837NNcourt looked1838VVDlook at1839INat that1840DTthat and1841CCand the1842DTthe Mississippi1843NPMississippi Supreme1844NPSupreme Court1845NPCourt looked1846VVDlook at1847INat that1848DTthat .1849SENT. And1850CCand I1851PPI think1852VVPthink they1853PPthey are1854VBPbe the1855DTthe experts1856NNSexpert about1857INabout what1858WPwhat their1859PP$their documents1860NNSdocument mean1861VVPmean .1862SENT. And1863CCand they1864PPthey said1865VVDsay there1866EXthere was1867VBDbe no1868DTno garnishment1869NNgarnishment .1870SENT. [JUSTICE GORSUCH]1871LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] What1872WPWhat if1873INif ...1874:... what1875WPwhat if1876INif it1877PPit turned1878VVDturn out1879INout there1880EXthere were1881VBDbe a1882DTa garnishment1883NNgarnishment ?1884SENT? How1885WRBHow would1886MDwould that1887RBthat affect1888VVaffect your1889PP$your argument1890NNargument ,1891,, if1892INif at1893INat all1894DTall ?1895SENT? [MS. JOHNSON]1896LOC[MS. JOHNSON] Well1897UHwell ...1898:... well1899RBwell ,1900,, then1901RBthen that1902DTthat would1903MDwould mean1904VVmean that1905IN/thatthat he1906PPhe only1907RBonly made1908VVDmake two1909CDtwo false1910JJfalse statements1911NNSstatement about1912INabout Juror1913NNjuror Wright1914NPWright .1915SENT. The1916DTthe two1917CDtwo false1918JJfalse statements1919NNSstatement were1920VBDbe that1921IN/thatthat she1922PPshe knew1923VVDknow Flowers1924NPFlowers '1925POS' sister1926NNsister ,1927,, Cora1928NPCora ,1929,, and1930CCand that1931IN/thatthat she1932PPshe knew1933VVDknow Flowers1934NPFlowers '1935POS' sister1936NNsister ,1937,, Sherita1938NPSherita .1939SENT. So1940RBso then1941RBthen there1942EXthere would1943MDwould be1944VBbe two1945CDtwo .1946SENT. But1947CCbut ,1948,, if1949INif I1950PPI could1951MDcould go1952VVgo back1953RBback for1954INfor a1955DTa moment1956NNmoment to1957TOto Ms1958NNMs .1959SENT. Burnside1960NPBurnside ,1961,, when1962WRBwhen he1963PPhe repeated1964VVDrepeat the1965DTthe story1966NNstory ,1967,, I1968PPI think1969VVPthink the1970DTthe ...1971:... the1972DTthe pretext1973NNpretext of1974INof this1975DTthis reason1976NNreason is1977VBZbe apparent1978JJapparent when1979WRBwhen we1980PPwe look1981VVPlook at1982INat Ms1983NNMs .1984SENT. Burnside1985NPBurnside .1986SENT. Ms1987NNMs .1988SENT. Burnside1989NPBurnside worked1990VVDwork for1991INfor Ms1992NNMs .1993SENT. Tardy1994JJtardy .1995SENT. Ms1996NNMs .1997SENT. Burnside1998NPBurnside worked1999VVDwork for2000INfor Ms2001NNMs .2002SENT. Tardy2003JJtardy ,2004,, caring2005VVGcare for2006INfor her2007PP$her mother2008NNmother .2009SENT. Ms2010NNMs .2011SENT. Burnside2012NPBurnside was2013VBDbe helped2014VVNhelp during2015INduring her2016PP$her divorce2017NNdivorce by2018INby Ms2019NNMs .2020SENT. Tardy2021JJtardy .2022SENT. So2023INso whatever2024WDTwhatever she2025PPshe might2026MDmight have2027VHhave felt2028VVNfeel negative2029JJnegative about2030INabout the2031DTthe son-in-law2032NNson-in-law ,2033,, the2034DTthe feelings2035NNSfeeling she2036PPshe would2037MDwould have2038VHhave had2039VHNhave about2040INabout the2041DTthe victim2042NNvictim herself2043PPherself could2044MDcould only2045RBonly have2046VHhave been2047VBNbe positive2048JJpositive .2049SENT. And2050CCand yet2051RByet he2052PPhe cited2053VVDcite this2054DTthis same2055JJsame reason2056NNreason .2057SENT. When2058WRBwhen we2059PPwe look2060VVPlook at2061INat that2062DTthat ,2063,, what2064WPwhat we2065PPwe see2066VVPsee ...2067:... [JUSTICE ALITO]2068LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] did2069VVDdo n't2070RBn't Juror2071NNjuror Burnside2072NPBurnside also2073RBalso say2074VVPsay repeatedly2075RBrepeatedly she2076PPshe did2077VVDdo n't2078RBn't want2079VVwant to2080TOto judge2081VVjudge anybody2082NNanybody ?2083SENT? [MS. JOHNSON]2084LOC[MS. JOHNSON] No2085NPNo ,2086,, she2087PPshe did2088VVDdo not2089RBnot ...2090:... oh2091UHoh ,2092,, Juror2093NNjuror Burnside2094NPBurnside said2095VVDsay ...2096:... [JUSTICE ALITO]2097LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] Yes2098NPYes .2099SENT. [MS. JOHNSON]2100LOC[MS. JOHNSON] ...2101:... that2102IN/thatthat she2103PPshe did2104VVDdo not2105RBnot want2106VVwant to2107TOto judge2108VVjudge anyone2109NNanyone .2110SENT. She2111PPshe did2112VVDdo say2113VVsay that2114DTthat .2115SENT. But2116CCbut I2117PPI think2118VVPthink what's2119NNSwhat's ...2120:... [JUSTICE ALITO]2121LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] And2122CCand you2123PPyou think2124VVPthink that2125WDTthat 's2126VBZbe not2127RBnot a2128DTa legitimate2129JJlegitimate reason2130NNreason for2131INfor ...2132:... for2133INfor striking2134VVGstrike a2135DTa juror2136NNjuror who2137WPwho 's2138VBZbe going2139VVGgo to2140TOto have2141VHhave to2142TOto judge2143VVjudge whether2144INwhether someone2145NNsomeone who2146WPwho 's2147VBZbe accused2148VVNaccuse of2149INof a2150DTa serious2151JJserious crime2152NNcrime is2153VBZbe guilty2154JJguilty or2155CCor not2156RBnot ?2157SENT? [MS. JOHNSON]2158LOC[MS. JOHNSON] That2159DTthat is2160VBZbe a2161DTa legitimate2162JJlegitimate reason2163NNreason for2164INfor striking2165VVGstrike a2166DTa judge2167NNjudge ...2168:... I2169PPI 'm2170VBPbe sorry2171JJsorry ,2172,, for2173INfor striking2174VVGstrike a2175DTa juror2176NNjuror .2177SENT. [2178SYM[ LAUGHTER2179NNlaughter ]2180SYM] [MS. JOHNSON]2181LOC[MS. JOHNSON] But2182CCbut the2183DTthe problem2184NNproblem ...2185:... the2186DTthe problem2187NNproblem is2188VBZbe n't2189RBn't whether2190INwhether the2191DTthe reason2192NNreason is2193VBZbe a2194DTa legitimate2195JJlegitimate reason2196NNreason but2197CCbut whether2198INwhether the2199DTthe reason2200NNreason was2201VBDbe pretext2202NNpretext .2203SENT. And2204CCand when2205WRBwhen we2206PPwe look2207VVPlook at2208INat what2209WPwhat he2210PPhe did2211VVDdo with2212INwith respect2213NNrespect to2214TOto citing2215VVGcite the2216DTthe relationship2217NNrelationship having2218VHGhave been2219VBNbe sued2220VVNsue by2221INby the2222DTthe Tardys2223NPTardys ,2224,, it2225PPit looks2226VVZlook like2227INlike everything2228NNeverything he2229PPhe 's2230VBZbe saying2231VVGsay is2232VBZbe pretext2233NNpretext .2234SENT. And2235CCand if2236INif I2237PPI could2238MDcould also2239RBalso go2240VVgo back2241RBback to2242TOto the2243DTthe rest2244NNrest of2245INof your2246PP$your question2247NNquestion about2248INabout Juror2249NNjuror Wright2250NPWright .2251SENT. So2252RBso there2253EXthere were2254VBDbe three2255CDthree misrepresentations2256NNSmisrepresentation with2257INwith respect2258NNrespect to2259TOto Juror2260NNjuror Wright2261NPWright .2262SENT. There2263EXthere was2264VBDbe also2265RBalso ...2266:... they2267PPthey also2268RBalso cited2269VVDcite the2270DTthe number2271NNnumber of2272INof defense2273NNdefense witnesses2274NNSwitness that2275IN/thatthat she2276PPshe knew2277VVDknow .2278SENT. But2279CCbut the2280DTthe prosecutor2281NNprosecutor ,2282,, Doug2283NPDoug Evans2284NPEvans ,2285,, did2286VVDdo not2287RBnot question2288VVquestion prospective2289JJprospective white2290JJwhite jurors2291NNSjuror Waller2292NPWaller ,2293,, Lester2294NPLester ,2295,, Blaylock2296NPBlaylock ,2297,, and2298CCand Fields2299NPFields about2300INabout their2301PP$their relationships2302NNSrelationship with2303INwith witness2304NNwitness ...2305:... with2306INwith white2307JJwhite ...2308:... with2309INwith defense2310NNdefense witnesses2311NNSwitness ,2312,, nor2313CCnor did2314VVDdo he2315PPhe strike2316VVstrike them2317PPthem when2318WRBwhen he2319PPhe had2320VHDhave an2321DTan opportunity2322NNopportunity to2323TOto do2324VVdo so2325RBso .2326SENT. [JUSTICE ALITO]2327LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] But2328CCbut is2329VBZbe n't2330RBn't it2331PPit true2332JJtrue she2333PPshe also2334RBalso worked2335VVDwork with2336INwith the2337DTthe defendant2338NNdefendant 's2339POS's father2340NNfather ?2341SENT? [MS. JOHNSON]2342LOC[MS. JOHNSON] She2343PPshe worked2344VVDwork in2345INin the2346DTthe same2347JJsame location2348NNlocation as2349INas the2350DTthe defendant2351NNdefendant 's2352POS's father2353NNfather ,2354,, but2355CCbut ...2356:... [JUSTICE ALITO]2357LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] She2358PPshe worked2359VVDwork in2360INin the2361DTthe same2362JJsame store2363NNstore ,2364,, right2365RBright ?2366SENT? [MS. JOHNSON]2367LOC[MS. JOHNSON] She2368PPshe worked2369VVDwork in2370INin the2371DTthe same2372JJsame store2373NNstore .2374SENT. [JUSTICE ALITO]2375LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] At2376INat the2377DTthe world2378NNworld 's2379POS's smallest2380JJSsmall Walmart2381NNWalmart .2382SENT. [MS. JOHNSON]2383LOC[MS. JOHNSON] That2384DTthat 's2385VBZbe what2386WPwhat the2387DTthe ...2388:... [JUSTICE ALITO]2389LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] That2390DTthat 's2391VBZbe what2392WPwhat they2393PPthey said2394VVDsay .2395SENT. [MS. JOHNSON]2396LOC[MS. JOHNSON] ...2397:... that2398WDTthat 's2399VBZbe what2400WPwhat the2401DTthe trial2402NNtrial court2403NNcourt described2404VVDdescribe it2405PPit as2406RBas .2407SENT. But2408CCbut ...2409:... but2410CCbut it2411PPit is2412VBZbe important2413JJimportant to2414TOto notice2415VVnotice that2416IN/thatthat when2417WRBwhen she2418PPshe was2419VBDbe asked2420VVNask does2421VVZdo he2422PPhe still2423RBstill work2424VVPwork there2425RBthere ,2426,, she2427PPshe did2428VVDdo n't2429RBn't even2430RBeven know2431VVknow if2432INif he2433PPhe still2434RBstill worked2435VVDwork there2436RBthere .2437SENT. So2438RBso there2439EXthere 's2440VBZbe really2441RBreally ...2442:... [JUSTICE ALITO]2443LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] Yeah2444NPYeah ,2445,, but2446CCbut did2447VVDdo she2448PPshe still2449RBstill work2450VVPwork there2451RBthere ?2452SENT? [MS. JOHNSON]2453LOC[MS. JOHNSON] She2454PPshe did2455VVDdo .2456SENT. [JUSTICE ALITO]2457LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] I2458PPI thought2459VVDthink she2460PPshe had2461VHDhave left2462VVNleave ?2463SENT? [MS. JOHNSON]2464LOC[MS. JOHNSON] No2465NPNo ,2466,, that2467WDTthat 's2468VBZbe another2469DTanother juror2470NNjuror with2471INwith respect2472NNrespect to2473TOto ...2474:... I2475PPI believe2476VVPbelieve with2477INwith respect2478NNrespect to2479TOto Cora2480NPCora Flowers2481NPSFlowers .2482SENT. But2483CCbut what2484WPwhat I2485PPI wanted2486VVDwant to2487TOto ...2488:... she2489PPshe did2490VVDdo n't2491RBn't know2492VVknow if2493INif he2494PPhe still2495RBstill worked2496VVDwork there2497RBthere ,2498,, but2499CCbut ...2500:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]2501LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] Compare2502VVcompare her2503PPher with2504INwith Pamela2505NPPamela Chesteen2506NPChesteen .2507SENT. That2508DTthat comparison2509NNcomparison is2510VBZbe the2511DTthe one2512CDone that2513IN/thatthat I2514PPI 'm2515VBPbe most2516RBSmost interested2517JJinterested in2518INin .2519SENT. [MS. JOHNSON]2520LOC[MS. JOHNSON] I2521PPI was2522VBDbe about2523RBabout to2524TOto do2525VVdo that2526DTthat .2527SENT. And2528CCand so2529RBso I2530PPI think2531VVPthink that2532IN/thatthat it2533PPit 's2534VBZbe true2535JJtrue that2536IN/thatthat working2537VVGwork with2538INwith someone2539NNsomeone under2540INunder some2541DTsome circumstances2542NNScircumstance might2543MDmight produce2544VVproduce bias2545NNbias .2546SENT. It2547PPit is2548VBZbe interesting2549JJinteresting that2550IN/thatthat the2551DTthe only2552JJonly thing2553NNthing she2554PPshe said2555VVDsay that2556WDTthat might2557MDmight suggest2558VVsuggest the2559DTthe closeness2560NNcloseness of2561INof the2562DTthe relationship2563NNrelationship is2564VBZbe that2565IN/thatthat she2566PPshe did2567VVDdo n't2568RBn't know2569VVknow whether2570INwhether he2571PPhe still2572RBstill worked2573VVDwork ,2574,, and2575CCand the2576DTthe ...2577:... and2578CCand Evans2579NPEvans did2580VVDdo not2581RBnot ask2582VVask about2583INabout the2584DTthe closeness2585NNcloseness of2586INof the2587DTthe relationship2588NNrelationship .2589SENT. Nor2590CCnor did2591VVDdo he2592PPhe worry2593VVPworry about2594INabout the2595DTthe closeness2596NNcloseness of2597INof the2598DTthe relationship2599NNrelationship with2600INwith Juror2601NNjuror Chesteen2602NPChesteen and2603CCand four2604CDfour or2605CCor I2606PPI think2607VVPthink it2608PPit 's2609VBZbe maybe2610RBmaybe even2611RBeven five2612CDfive of2613INof Flowers2614NPFlowers '2615POS' family2616NNfamily members2617NNSmember .2618SENT. Juror2619NNjuror Chesteen2620NPChesteen worked2621VVDwork as2622INas a2623DTa teller2624NNteller in2625INin a2626DTa bank2627NNbank where2628WRBwhere all2629DTall five2630CDfive of2631INof them2632PPthem came2633VVDcome and2634CCand she2635PPshe waited2636VVDwait ...2637:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]2638LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] She2639PPshe said2640VVDsay that2641IN/thatthat she2642PPshe knew2643VVDknow the2644DTthe father2645NNfather as2646INas well2647RBwell .2648SENT. [MS. JOHNSON]2649LOC[MS. JOHNSON] Yes2650NPYes ,2651,, she2652PPshe knew2653VVDknow the2654DTthe father2655NNfather and2656CCand the2657DTthe mother2658NNmother and2659CCand two2660CDtwo sisters2661NNSsister and2662CCand a2663DTa brother2664NNbrother .2665SENT. And2666CCand Doug2667NPDoug Evans2668NPEvans ...2669:... [JUSTICE GINSBURG]2670LOC[JUSTICE GINSBURG] But2671CCbut is2672VBZbe n't2673RBn't ...2674:... [MS. JOHNSON]2675LOC[MS. JOHNSON] ...2676:... was2677VBDbe not2678RBnot interested2679JJinterested in2680INin pursuing2681VVGpursue ...2682:... [JUSTICE GINSBURG]2683LOC[JUSTICE GINSBURG] ...2684:... is2685VBZbe n't2686RBn't that2687DTthat ...2688:... that2689DTthat relationship2690NNrelationship of2691INof a2692DTa bank2693NNbank teller2694NNteller to2695TOto someone2696NNsomeone who2697WPwho comes2698VVZcome to2699TOto make2700VVmake a2701DTa deposit2702NNdeposit different2703JJdifferent from2704INfrom someone2705NNsomeone who2706WPwho is2707VBZbe a2708DTa coworker2709NNcoworker and2710CCand it2711PPit would2712MDwould encounter2713VVencounter someone2714NNsomeone in2715INin the2716DTthe work2717NNwork set2718NNset ...2719:... setting2720VVGset on2721INon a2722DTa daily2723JJdaily basis2724NNbasis ?2725SENT? [MS. JOHNSON]2726LOC[MS. JOHNSON] It2727PPit is2728VBZbe a2729DTa different2730JJdifferent relationship2731NNrelationship or2732CCor it2733PPit could2734MDcould be2735VBbe a2736DTa very2737RBvery different2738JJdifferent relationship2739NNrelationship .2740SENT. We2741PPwe can2742MDcan 't2743RB't actually2744RBactually even2745RBeven know2746VVknow the2747DTthe closeness2748NNcloseness of2749INof either2750DTeither relationship2751NNrelationship unless2752INunless there2753EXthere was2754VBDbe inquiry2755NNinquiry .2756SENT. But2757CCbut Doug2758NPDoug Evans2759NPEvans did2760VVDdo not2761RBnot make2762VVmake that2763DTthat kind2764NNkind of2765INof an2766DTan inquiry2767NNinquiry .2768SENT. Indeed2769RBindeed ,2770,, what2771WPwhat he2772PPhe said2773VVDsay to2774TOto Juror2775NNjuror Chesteen2776NPChesteen is2777VBZbe ...2778:... and2779CCand that2780DTthat was2781VBDbe a2782DTa purely2783RBpurely professional2784JJprofessional relationship2785NNrelationship .2786SENT. He2787PPhe did2788VVDdo n't2789RBn't ask2790VVask whether2791INwhether she2792PPshe had2793VHDhave a2794DTa close2795JJclose relationship2796NNrelationship ,2797,, whether2798INwhether she2799PPshe was2800VBDbe worried2801VVNworry .2802SENT. He2803PPhe instead2804RBinstead presumed2805VVNpresume ,2806,, reassured2807VVNreassure ,2808,, everyone2809NNeveryone that2810IN/thatthat she2811PPshe did2812VVDdo not2813RBnot .2814SENT. [CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS]2815LOC[CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS] All2816PDTAll the2817DTthe ...2818:... all2819PDTall the2820DTthe ...2821:... the2822DTthe questions2823NNSquestion that2824IN/thatthat we2825PPwe 've2826VHPhave been2827VBNbe addressing2828VVGaddress here2829RBhere are2830VBPbe the2831DTthe same2832JJsame sort2833NNsort of2834INof questions2835NNSquestion you2836PPyou would2837MDwould get2838VVget in2839INin a2840DTa typical2841JJtypical Batson2842NPBatson case2843NNcase ,2844,, looking2845VVGlook at2846INat the2847DTthe circumstances2848NNScircumstance of2849INof the2850DTthe potential2851JJpotential jurors2852NNSjuror that2853WDTthat were2854VBDbe struck2855VVNstrike in2856INin this2857DTthis case2858NNcase .2859SENT. But2860CCbut ,2861,, I2862PPI mean2863VVPmean ,2864,, of2865INof course2866NNcourse ,2867,, as2868RBas ...2869:... as2870INas my2871PP$my colleagues2872NNScolleague have2873VHPhave recognized2874VVNrecognize ,2875,, the2876DTthe case2877NNcase is2878VBZbe unusual2879JJunusual because2880INbecause you2881PPyou have2882VHPhave the2883DTthe extensive2884JJextensive history2885NNhistory .2886SENT. And2887CCand I2888PPI think2889VVPthink that2890WDTthat 's2891VBZbe probably2892RBprobably why2893WRBwhy the2894DTthe case2895NNcase is2896VBZbe here2897RBhere for2898INfor ...2899:... for2900INfor review2901NNreview .2902SENT. And2903CCand I2904PPI 'm2905VBPbe interested2906JJinterested ,2907,, because2908RBbecause ,2909,, obviously2910RBobviously ,2911,, the2912DTthe rule2913NNrule we2914PPwe adopt2915VVPadopt will2916MDwill apply2917VVapply in2918INin other2919JJother cases2920NNScase ,2921,, how2922WRBhow far2923RBfar your2924PP$your argument2925NNargument that2926IN/thatthat we2927PPwe need2928VVPneed to2929TOto look2930VVlook at2931INat the2932DTthe past2933JJpast history2934NNhistory is2935VBZbe ...2936:... is2937VBZbe pertinent2938JJpertinent .2939SENT. If2940INif ...2941:... if2942INif the2943DTthe prosecutor2944NNprosecutor had2945VHDhave ...2946:... had2947VHDhave one2948CDone Batson2949NPBatson violation2950NNviolation in2951INin his2952PP$his 30-year2953JJ30-year career2954NNcareer ,2955,, 202956CD@card@ years2957NNSyear ago2958RBago ,2959,, is2960VBZbe that2961DTthat something2962NNsomething that2963WDTthat should2964MDshould be2965VBbe brought2966VVNbring out2967RPout and2968CCand pertinent2969JJpertinent in2970INin the2971DTthe assessment2972NNassessment of2973INof the2974DTthe current2975JJcurrent Batson2976NPBatson challenges2977NNSchallenge ?2978SENT? [MS. JOHNSON]2979LOC[MS. JOHNSON] Mr2980NPMr .2981SENT. Chief2982NPChief Justice2983NPJustice ,2984,, may2985MDmay I2986PPI say2987VVsay one2988CDone thing2989NNthing about2990INabout Carolyn2991NPCarolyn Wright2992NPWright that2993IN/thatthat I2994PPI do2995VVPdo n't2996RBn't want2997VVwant to2998TOto forget2999VVforget ?3000SENT? [CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS]3001LOC[CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS] Sure3002NPSure .3003SENT. [MS. JOHNSON]3004LOC[MS. JOHNSON] The3005DTthe other3006JJother thing3007NNthing that3008WDTthat 's3009VBZbe noteworthy3010JJnoteworthy about3011INabout her3012PPher is3013VBZbe that3014IN/thatthat she3015PPshe put3016VVDput on3017INon her3018PP$her death3019NNdeath penalty3020NNpenalty questionnaire3021NNquestionnaire that3022IN/thatthat she3023PPshe was3024VBDbe strongly3025RBstrongly in3026INin favor3027NNfavor of3028INof the3029DTthe death3030NNdeath penalty3031NNpenalty .3032SENT. So3033RBso ,3034,, when3035WRBwhen we3036PPwe look3037VVPlook at3038INat her3039PPher as3040INas a3041DTa whole3042NNwhole ,3043,, a3044DTa ...3045:... a3046DTa ...3047:... a3048DTa prosecutor3049NNprosecutor who3050WPwho was3051VBDbe looking3052VVGlook in3053INin a3054DTa colorblind3055JJcolorblind way3056NNway would3057MDwould have3058VHhave been3059VBNbe attracted3060VVNattract to3061TOto her3062PPher .3063SENT. [CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS]3064LOC[CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS] Now3065RBnow for3066INfor my3067PP$my question3068NNquestion ?3069SENT? [MS. JOHNSON]3070LOC[MS. JOHNSON] But3071CCbut now3072RBnow ...3073:... now3074RBnow for3075INfor your3076PP$your question3077NNquestion .3078SENT. And3079CCand I3080PPI apologize3081VVPapologize ,3082,, but3083CCbut I3084PPI was3085VBDbe worried3086VVNworry I3087PPI would3088MDwould not3089RBnot get3090VVget back3091RBback to3092TOto that3093DTthat .3094SENT. So3095RBso I3096PPI think3097VVPthink this3098DTthis is3099VBZbe an3100DTan extraordinary3101JJextraordinary case3102NNcase .3103SENT. I3104PPI have3105VHPhave combed3106VVNcomb the3107DTthe cases3108NNScase and3109CCand I3110PPI cannot3111MDcan find3112VVfind any3113DTany case3114NNcase ...3115:... [CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS]3116LOC[CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS] No3117UHNo ,3118,, no3119UHno ,3120,, I3121PPI know3122VVPknow it3123PPit 's3124VBZbe ...3125:... you3126PPyou 're3127VBPbe ...3128:... you3129PPyou 're3130VBPbe fighting3131VVGfight the3132DTthe hypothetical3133JJhypothetical .3134SENT. My3135PP$my question3136NNquestion is3137VBZbe 303138CD@card@ years3139NNSyear ,3140,, a3141DTa Batson3142NPBatson violation3143NNviolation 203144CD@card@ years3145NNSyear ago3146RBago ,3147,, is3148VBZbe that3149IN/thatthat pertinent3150JJpertinent to3151TOto the3152DTthe consideration3153NNconsideration in3154INin the3155DTthe current3156JJcurrent case3157NNcase ?3158SENT? [MS. JOHNSON]3159LOC[MS. JOHNSON] I3160PPI 'm3161VBPbe sorry3162JJsorry ,3163,, I3164PPI did3165VVDdo n't3166RBn't understand3167VVunderstand the3168DTthe question3169NNquestion then3170RBthen .3171SENT. Yes3172UHyes ,3173,, it3174PPit is3175VBZbe pertinent3176JJpertinent ,3177,, but3178CCbut it3179PPit 's3180VBZbe weakly3181RBweakly probative3182JJprobative .3183SENT. So3184RBso I3185PPI think3186VVPthink ,3187,, when3188WRBwhen we3189PPwe conduct3190VVPconduct a3191DTa consensitive3192JJconsensitive inquiry3193NNinquiry ,3194,, we3195PPwe look3196VVPlook ,3197,, as3198INas we3199PPwe would3200MDwould in3201INin a3202DTa criminal3203JJcriminal case3204NNcase ,3205,, we3206PPwe look3207VVPlook at3208INat how3209WRBhow recent3210JJrecent a3211DTa fabrication3212NNfabrication has3213VHZhave been3214VBNbe ,3215,, whether3216INwhether it3217PPit 's3218VBZbe on3219INon a3220DTa relatively3221RBrelatively similar3222JJsimilar matter3223NNmatter ,3224,, whether3225INwhether the3226DTthe person3227NNperson has3228VHZhave the3229DTthe same3230JJsame motive3231NNmotive .3232SENT. So3233INso a3234DTa case3235NNcase that3236WDTthat occurred3237VVDoccur 303238CD@card@ years3239NNSyear ago3240RBago would3241MDwould be3242VBbe very3243RBvery different3244JJdifferent in3245INin terms3246NNSterm of3247INof motive3248NNmotive .3249SENT. It3250PPit also3251RBalso would3252MDwould be3253VBbe quite3254RBquite different3255JJdifferent in3256INin terms3257NNSterm of3258INof the3259DTthe established3260VVNestablish law3261NNlaw of3262INof this3263DTthis Court3264NPCourt .3265SENT. [CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS]3266LOC[CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS] Well3267UHWell ...3268:... [MS. JOHNSON]3269LOC[MS. JOHNSON] So3270CCso someone3271NNsomeone who3272WPwho violates3273VVZviolate Batson3274NPBatson before3275INbefore it3276PPit 's3277VBZbe announced3278VVNannounce or3279CCor someone3280NNsomeone who3281WPwho violates3282VVZviolate Batson3283NPBatson immediately3284RBimmediately thereafter3285RBthereafter ,3286,, that3287WDTthat 's3288VBZbe less3289RBRless probative3290JJprobative than3291INthan someone3292NNsomeone who3293WPwho has3294VHZhave done3295VVNdo so3296RBso repeatedly3297RBrepeatedly .3298SENT. [CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS]3299LOC[CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS] So3300RBso ...3301:... so3302RBso what3303WPwhat is3304VBZbe ...3305:... what3306WPwhat is3307VBZbe the3308DTthe rule3309NNrule you3310PPyou would3311MDwould have3312VHhave us3313PPus adopt3314VVadopt as3315INas a3316DTa general3317JJgeneral rule3318NNrule ,3319,, not3320RBnot just3321RBjust in3322INin a3323DTa particular3324JJparticular case3325NNcase as3326INas extreme3327NNextreme as3328INas this3329DTthis one3330CDone ?3331SENT? [MS. JOHNSON]3332LOC[MS. JOHNSON] The3333DTthe general3334JJgeneral rule3335NNrule is3336VBZbe a3337DTa rule3338NNrule that3339IN/thatthat you3340PPyou have3341VHPhave already3342RBalready adopted3343VVNadopt ,3344,, which3345WDTwhich is3346VBZbe that3347IN/thatthat ,3348,, in3349INin Stage3350NPStage 33351CD3 ,3352,, every3353DTevery factor3354NNfactor that3355WDTthat bears3356VVZbear upon3357INupon credibility3358NNcredibility is3359VBZbe relevant3360JJrelevant .3361SENT. So3362RBso that3363DTthat 's3364VBZbe the3365DTthe general3366JJgeneral rule3367NNrule .3368SENT. And3369CCand I3370PPI suppose3371VVPsuppose if3372INif we3373PPwe say3374VVPsay that3375IN/thatthat in3376INin another3377DTanother way3378NNway ,3379,, the3380DTthe Mississippi3381NPMississippi Supreme3382NPSupreme Court3383NPCourt asked3384VVDask only3385RBonly the3386DTthe question3387NNquestion of3388INof is3389VBZbe there3390RBthere a3391DTa juror3392NNjuror left3393VVNleave ...3394:... is3395VBZbe there3396RBthere a3397DTa reason3398NNreason for3399INfor this3400DTthis juror3401NNjuror left3402VVDleave standing3403NNstanding that3404WDTthat is3405VBZbe not3406RBnot contradicted3407VVNcontradict by3408INby the3409DTthe record3410NNrecord and3411CCand exactly3412RBexactly matched3413VVNmatch by3414INby a3415DTa white3416JJwhite juror3417NNjuror .3418SENT. And3419CCand that3420DTthat 's3421VBZbe not3422RBnot the3423DTthe right3424JJright rule3425NNrule .3426SENT. The3427DTthe right3428JJright rule3429NNrule is3430VBZbe a3431DTa sensitive3432JJsensitive inquiry3433NNinquiry .3434SENT. [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]3435LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] Even3436RBeven ...3437:... [JUSTICE GORSUCH]3438LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] Go3439VVgo ahead3440RBahead .3441SENT. Your3442PP$your turn3443NNturn .3444SENT. [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]3445LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] No3446NPNo ,3447,, you3448PPyou go3449VVPgo first3450RBfirst .3451SENT. [3452SYM[ LAUGHTER3453NNlaughter ]3454SYM] [JUSTICE GORSUCH]3455LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] All3456DTall right3457NNright ,3458,, all3459DTall right3460NNright .3461SENT. [CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS]3462LOC[CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS] Justice3463NPJustice Gorsuch3464NPGorsuch .3465SENT. [JUSTICE GORSUCH]3466LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] All3467DTall right3468NNright .3469SENT. I3470PPI want3471VVPwant to3472TOto pursue3473VVpursue the3474DTthe Chief3475NPChief Justice3476NPJustice 's3477POS's question3478NNquestion just3479RBjust a3480DTa little3481JJlittle bit3482NNbit further3483RBRfurther so3484INso I3485PPI can3486MDcan understand3487VVunderstand what3488WPwhat you3489PPyou 'd3490MDwould have3491VHhave us3492PPus do3493VVPdo in3494INin the3495DTthe next3496JJnext case3497NNcase .3498SENT. Let3499NPLet 's3500POS's just3501RBjust suppose3502VVsuppose this3503DTthis case3504NNcase ,3505,, trial3506NNtrial 63507CD6 ,3508,, was3509VBDbe perfect3510JJperfect and3511CCand the3512DTthe strikes3513NNSstrike were3514VBDbe without3515INwithout taint3516NNtaint otherwise3517RBotherwise ,3518,, but3519CCbut we3520PPwe have3521VHPhave this3522DTthis history3523NNhistory with3524INwith this3525DTthis prosecutor3526NNprosecutor .3527SENT. Would3528MDwould that3529RBthat be3530VBbe a3531DTa problem3532NNproblem still3533RBstill ,3534,, or3535CCor would3536MDwould there3537RBthere be3538VBbe no3539DTno Batson3540NPBatson violation3541NNviolation in3542INin those3543DTthose circumstances3544NNScircumstance ?3545SENT? [MS. JOHNSON]3546LOC[MS. JOHNSON] If3547INif there3548EXthere were3549VBDbe n't3550RBn't eight3551CDeight misrepresentations3552NNSmisrepresentation of3553INof fact3554NNfact ...3555:... [JUSTICE GORSUCH]3556LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] Right3557NPRight .3558SENT. [MS. JOHNSON]3559LOC[MS. JOHNSON] ...3560:... disparate3561JJdisparate questioning3562JJquestioning ...3563:... [JUSTICE GORSUCH]3564LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] Right3565RBright ,3566,, right3567RBright .3568SENT. [MS. JOHNSON]3569LOC[MS. JOHNSON] ...3570:... all3571PDTall that3572DTthat stuff3573NNstuff ...3574:... [JUSTICE GORSUCH]3575LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] Right3576NPRight .3577SENT. You3578PPyou 're3579VBPbe fighting3580VVGfight the3581DTthe hypothetical3582JJhypothetical again3583RBagain .3584SENT. [MS. JOHNSON]3585LOC[MS. JOHNSON] ...3586:... and3587CCand there3588EXthere 's3589VBZbe only3590RBonly the3591DTthe history3592NNhistory ...3593:... [JUSTICE GORSUCH]3594LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] Yeah3595NPYeah ,3596,, yeah3597RByeah .3598SENT. The3599DTthe hypothetical3600JJhypothetical is3601VBZbe let3602VVlet 's3603VBZbe suppose3604VVsuppose that3605IN/thatthat this3606DTthis case3607NNcase ,3608,, there3609EXthere were3610VBDbe strikes3611NNSstrike ,3612,, but3613CCbut they3614PPthey were3615VBDbe explained3616VVNexplain by3617INby non-discriminatory3618JJnon-discriminatory reasons3619NNSreason .3620SENT. Yet3621RByet we3622PPwe have3623VHPhave ...3624:... [MS. JOHNSON]3625LOC[MS. JOHNSON] And3626CCand there3627EXthere were3628VBDbe no3629RBno other3630JJother ...3631:... [JUSTICE GORSUCH]3632LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] ...3633:... yet3634RByet we3635PPwe have3636VHPhave this3637DTthis prosecutor3638NNprosecutor with3639INwith this3640DTthis history3641NNhistory .3642SENT. What3643WPWhat then3644RBthen ?3645SENT? How3646WRBHow should3647MDshould the3648DTthe Court3649NPCourt assess3650VVassess a3651DTa case3652NNcase like3653INlike that3654DTthat ?3655SENT? [MS. JOHNSON]3656LOC[MS. JOHNSON] If3657INif there3658EXthere are3659VBPbe no3660DTno other3661JJother indicia3662NNindicia of3663INof discrimination3664NNdiscrimination ,3665,, then3666RBthen the3667DTthe defendant3668NNdefendant has3669VHZhave not3670RBnot met3671VVNmeet his3672PP$his burden3673NNburden of3674INof proof3675NNproof by3676INby proving3677VVGprove prior3678JJprior discrimination3679NNdiscrimination .3680SENT. [JUSTICE GORSUCH]3681LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] Okay3682NPOkay .3683SENT. So3684RBso we3685PPwe need3686VVPneed discrimination3687NNdiscrimination in3688INin this3689DTthis trial3690NNtrial in3691INin order3692NNorder to3693TOto have3694VHhave a3695DTa Batson3696NPBatson violation3697NNviolation ?3698SENT? [MS. JOHNSON]3699LOC[MS. JOHNSON] Yes3700NPYes .3701SENT. [JUSTICE GORSUCH]3702LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] Okay3703NPOkay .3704SENT. All3705DTall right3706NNright .3707SENT. That3708DTthat 's3709VBZbe helpful3710JJhelpful .3711SENT. Thank3712VVthank you3713PPyou .3714SENT. [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]3715LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] My3716PP$my question3717NNquestion was3718VBDbe about3719RBabout the3720DTthe history3721NNhistory .3722SENT. I3723PPI thought3724VVDthink that3725IN/thatthat Swain3726NPSwain had3727VHDhave said3728VVNsay that3729IN/thatthat the3730DTthe history3731NNhistory was3732VBDbe relevant3733JJrelevant .3734SENT. In3735INin fact3736NNfact ,3737,, Swain3738NPSwain said3739VVDsay history3740NNhistory was3741VBDbe the3742DTthe only3743JJonly way3744NNway you3745PPyou could3746MDcould prove3747VVprove a3748DTa violation3749NNviolation .3750SENT. What3751WPWhat Batson3752NPBatson did3753VVDdo was3754VBDbe to3755TOto say3756VVsay no3757RBno ,3758,, you3759PPyou can3760MDcan look3761VVlook even3762RBeven at3763INat the3764DTthe individual3765JJindividual case3766NNcase .3767SENT. But3768CCbut Batson3769NPBatson ,3770,, as3771INas I3772PPI read3773VVPread it3774PPit ,3775,, did3776VVDdo not3777RBnot say3778VVsay you3779PPyou no3780RBno longer3781RBRlonger take3782VVtake account3783NNaccount of3784INof the3785DTthe history3786NNhistory .3787SENT. Your3788PP$your reading3789NNreading of3790INof Swain3791NPSwain and3792CCand how3793WRBhow Swain3794NPSwain and3795CCand Batson3796NPBatson interact3797VVPinteract ?3798SENT? [MS. JOHNSON]3799LOC[MS. JOHNSON] I3800PPI think3801VVPthink that3802WDTthat 's3803VBZbe entirely3804RBentirely correct3805JJcorrect ,3806,, Your3807PP$your Honor3808NPHonor .3809SENT. Even3810RBeven in3811INin Swain3812NPSwain ,3813,, history3814NNhistory was3815VBDbe relevant3816JJrelevant .3817SENT. And3818CCand to3819TOto look3820VVlook more3821RBRmore broadly3822RBbroadly ,3823,, in3824INin Arlington3825NPArlington Heights3826NPHeights ,3827,, this3828DTthis Court3829NPCourt said3830VVDsay that3831IN/thatthat history3832NNhistory is3833VBZbe relevant3834JJrelevant .3835SENT. So3836RBso ...3837:... and3838CCand in3839INin Miller-El3840NPMiller-El said3841VVDsay that3842IN/thatthat history3843NNhistory was3844VBDbe relevant3845JJrelevant .3846SENT. So3847RBso there3848EXthere is3849VBZbe n't3850RBn't a3851DTa new3852JJnew rule3853NNrule about3854INabout history3855NNhistory being3856VBGbe relevant3857JJrelevant .3858SENT. The3859DTthe Mississippi3860NPMississippi Supreme3861NPSupreme Court3862NPCourt ignored3863VVNignore what3864WPwhat this3865DTthis Court3866NPCourt has3867VHZhave already3868RBalready said3869VVNsay about3870INabout history3871NNhistory being3872VBGbe relevant3873JJrelevant .3874SENT. And3875CCand ...3876:... [JUSTICE GINSBURG]3877LOC[JUSTICE GINSBURG] The3878DTthe court3879NNcourt ...3880:... the3881DTthe court3882NNcourt ...3883:... [MS. JOHNSON]3884LOC[MS. JOHNSON] ...3885:... the3886DTthe broader3887JJRbroad point3888NNpoint ,3889,, that3890DTthat everything3891NNeverything ...3892:... [JUSTICE GINSBURG]3893LOC[JUSTICE GINSBURG] ...3894:... the3895DTthe court3896NNcourt said3897VVDsay it3898PPit took3899VVDtake account3900NNaccount of3901INof the3902DTthe history3903NNhistory .3904SENT. So3905RBso what3906WPwhat are3907VBPbe we3908PPwe to3909TOto make3910VVmake of3911INof that3912DTthat ?3913SENT? [MS. JOHNSON]3914LOC[MS. JOHNSON] Well3915UHWell ,3916,, if3917INif there3918EXthere were3919VBDbe ...3920:... if3921INif the3922DTthe court3923NNcourt had3924VHDhave taken3925VVNtake account3926NNaccount of3927INof its3928PP$its ...3929:... of3930INof the3931DTthe history3932NNhistory ,3933,, it3934PPit could3935MDcould n't3936RBn't have3937VHhave come3938VVNcome to3939TOto this3940DTthis conclusion3941NNconclusion .3942SENT. And3943CCand I3944PPI think3945VVPthink there3946EXthere 's3947VBZbe many3948JJmany reasons3949NNSreason in3950INin the3951DTthe opinion3952NNopinion to3953TOto believe3954VVbelieve that3955IN/thatthat they3956PPthey did3957VVDdo not3958RBnot .3959SENT. They3960PPthey said3961VVDsay ,3962,, considering3963VVGconsider the3964DTthe history3965NNhistory ,3966,, it3967PPit does3968VVZdo n't3969RBn't alter3970VValter our3971PP$our opinion3972NNopinion ,3973,, and3974CCand they3975PPthey pasted3976VVDpaste in3977INin their3978PP$their prior3979JJprior opinion3980NNopinion that3981WDTthat was3982VBDbe history3983NNhistory blind3984JJblind .3985SENT. They3986PPthey also3987RBalso said3988VVDsay his3989PP$his ...3990:... his3991PP$his history3992NNhistory does3993VVZdo not3994RBnot undermine3995VVundermine his3996PP$his stated3997JJstated reasons3998NNSreason .3999SENT. That4000DTthat 's4001VBZbe wrong4002JJwrong .4003SENT. It4004PPit undermines4005VVZundermine those4006DTthose reasons4007NNSreason .4008SENT. It4009PPit may4010MDmay or4011CCor may4012MDmay not4013RBnot be4014VBbe sufficient4015JJsufficient ,4016,, but4017CCbut a4018DTa history4019NNhistory of4020INof will4021NNwill ...4022:... of4023INof a4024DTa desire4025NNdesire for4026INfor a4027DTa ...4028:... an4029DTan all-white4030JJall-white jury4031NNjury ,4032,, a4033DTa history4034NNhistory of4035INof willingness4036NNwillingness to4037TOto violate4038VVviolate the4039DTthe Constitution4040NPConstitution ,4041,, and4042CCand a4043DTa history4044NNhistory of4045INof willingness4046NNwillingness to4047TOto make4048VVmake false4049JJfalse statements4050NNSstatement to4051TOto a4052DTa trial4053NNtrial court4054NNcourt ,4055,, those4056DTthose things4057NNSthing in4058INin the4059DTthe past4060NNpast with4061INwith respect4062NNrespect to4063TOto at4064INat least4065JJSleast three4066CDthree other4067JJother jurors4068NNSjuror ,4069,, that4070WDTthat does4071VVZdo undermine4072VVundermine it4073PPit .4074SENT. And4075CCand then4076RBthen I4077PPI think4078VVPthink ,4079,, when4080WRBwhen we4081PPwe look4082VVPlook at4083INat what4084WPwhat they4085PPthey actually4086RBactually did4087VVDdo ,4088,, there4089EXthere is4090VBZbe no4091DTno point4092NNpoint in4093INin which4094WDTwhich they4095PPthey say4096VVPsay :4097:: Yes4098UHyes ,4099,, we4100PPwe are4101VBPbe more4102RBRmore skeptical4103JJskeptical of4104INof the4105DTthe reasons4106NNSreason that4107IN/thatthat he4108PPhe stated4109VVDstate because4110INbecause he4111PPhe was4112VBDbe dishonest4113JJdishonest before4114INbefore ,4115,, or4116CCor ,4117,, yes4118UHyes ,4119,, when4120WRBwhen I4121PPI look4122VVPlook at4123INat ...4124:... at4125INat the4126DTthe false4127JJfalse statements4128NNSstatement he4129PPhe made4130VVDmake here4131RBhere ,4132,, the4133DTthe eight4134CDeight false4135JJfalse statements4136NNSstatement he4137PPhe made4138VVDmake here4139RBhere ,4140,, those4141DTthose match4142NNmatch with4143INwith false4144JJfalse statements4145NNSstatement that4146IN/thatthat he4147PPhe made4148VVDmake before4149RBbefore .4150SENT. They4151PPthey never4152RBnever did4153VVDdo that4154DTthat .4155SENT. So4156RBso I4157PPI think4158VVPthink they4159PPthey did4160VVDdo not4161RBnot consider4162VVconsider his4163PP$his history4164NNhistory ,4165,, nor4166CCnor did4167VVDdo they4168PPthey consider4169VVPconsider anything4170NNanything else4171NNelse that4172WDTthat would4173MDwould be4174VBbe consistent4175JJconsistent with4176INwith this4177DTthis Court4178NPCourt 's4179POS's insistence4180NNinsistence that4181IN/thatthat we4182PPwe look4183VVPlook at4184INat the4185DTthe totality4186NNtotality of4187INof the4188DTthe circumstances4189NNScircumstance and4190CCand conduct4191VVconduct a4192DTa sensitive4193JJsensitive inquiry4194NNinquiry into4195INinto .4196SENT. [JUSTICE KAGAN]4197LOC[JUSTICE KAGAN] Ms4198NNMs .4199SENT. Johnson4200NPJohnson ...4201:... [JUSTICE GINSBURG]4202LOC[JUSTICE GINSBURG] You4203PPyou say4204VVPsay your4205PP$your strongest4206JJSstrong case4207NNcase is4208VBZbe Juror4209NNjuror ,4210,, potential4211JJpotential juror4212NNjuror ,4213,, Wright4214NPWright .4215SENT. One4216CDOne of4217INof your4218PP$your complaints4219NNScomplaint is4220VBZbe that4221IN/thatthat there4222EXthere were4223VBDbe many4224JJmany more4225JJRmore questions4226NNSquestion asked4227VVNask of4228INof African4229JJAfrican American4230JJAmerican potential4231JJpotential jurors4232NNSjuror ,4233,, but4234CCbut that4235WDTthat was4236VBDbe n't4237RBn't so4238RBso in4239INin Wright4240NPWright 's4241POS's case4242NNcase ,4243,, that4244IN/thatthat she4245PPshe was4246VBDbe asked4247VVNask ,4248,, I4249PPI think4250VVPthink ,4251,, only4252RBonly three4253CDthree questions4254NNSquestion .4255SENT. Is4256VBZbe that4257DTthat ...4258:... [MS. JOHNSON]4259LOC[MS. JOHNSON] That4260DTthat 's4261VBZbe correct4262JJcorrect .4263SENT. [JUSTICE GINSBURG]4264LOC[JUSTICE GINSBURG] Yes4265NPYes .4266SENT. [MS. JOHNSON]4267LOC[MS. JOHNSON] But4268CCbut I4269PPI think4270VVPthink ,4271,, you4272PPyou know4273VVPknow ,4274,, it4275PPit is4276VBZbe ...4277:... actually4278RBactually ,4279,, the4280DTthe relevance4281NNrelevance of4282INof the4283DTthe disparate4284JJdisparate questioning4285JJquestioning is4286VBZbe not4287RBnot merely4288RBmerely to4289TOto ask4290VVask how4291WRBhow many4292JJmany questions4293NNSquestion this4294DTthis juror4295NNjuror was4296VBDbe asked4297VVNask .4298SENT. So4299RBso it4300PPit might4301MDmight indeed4302RBindeed be4303VBbe as4304INas the4305DTthe Mississippi4306NPMississippi Supreme4307NPSupreme Court4308NPCourt said4309VVDsay that4310IN/thatthat ,4311,, with4312INwith respect4313NNrespect to4314TOto some4315DTsome African4316JJAfrican American4317JJAmerican jurors4318NNSjuror ,4319,, it4320PPit was4321VBDbe legitimate4322JJlegitimate to4323TOto ask4324VVask them4325PPthem more4326JJRmore questions4327NNSquestion because4328INbecause more4329JJRmore of4330INof them4331PPthem knew4332VVDknow Flowers4333NPFlowers '4334POS' family4335NNfamily .4336SENT. But4337CCbut the4338DTthe ...4339:... the4340DTthe point4341NNpoint still4342RBstill remains4343VVZremain ...4344:... and4345CCand this4346DTthis is4347VBZbe the4348DTthe point4349NNpoint that4350IN/thatthat this4351DTthis Court4352NNcourt made4353VVNmake in4354INin Miller-El4355NPMiller-El ...4356:... disparate4357JJdisparate questioning4358VVGquestion of4359INof even4360RBeven another4361DTanother juror4362NNjuror is4363VBZbe relevant4364JJrelevant .4365SENT. It4366PPit does4367VVZdo suggest4368VVPsuggest that4369IN/thatthat the4370DTthe prosecutor4371NNprosecutor is4372VBZbe looking4373VVGlook for4374INfor reasons4375NNSreason to4376TOto strike4377VVstrike an4378DTan African4379JJAfrican American4380JJAmerican juror4381NNjuror ,4382,, as4383RBas opposed4384VVNoppose to4385TOto being4386VBGbe interested4387VVNinterest in4388INin bias4389NNbias or4390CCor death4391NNdeath penalty4392NNpenalty attitudes4393NNSattitude or4394CCor anything4395NNanything else4396RBelse .4397SENT. [JUSTICE KAGAN]4398LOC[JUSTICE KAGAN] Ms4399NNMs .4400SENT. Johnson4401NPJohnson ,4402,, some4403DTsome time4404NNtime ago4405RBago Justice4406NPJustice Alito4407NPAlito asked4408VVDask you4409PPyou about4410INabout the4411DTthe prosecutor4412NNprosecutor 's4413POS's investigation4414NNinvestigation of4415INof certain4416JJcertain potential4417JJpotential jurors4418NNSjuror .4419SENT. And4420CCand how4421WRBhow many4422JJmany jurors4423NNSjuror did4424VVDdo the4425DTthe prosecutor4426NNprosecutor separately4427RBseparately investigate4428VVinvestigate and4429CCand were4430VBDbe ...4431:... [MS. JOHNSON]4432LOC[MS. JOHNSON] Three4433CDThree .4434SENT. [JUSTICE KAGAN]4435LOC[JUSTICE KAGAN] And4436CCand all4437DTall African4438NPAfrican American4439NPAmerican ?4440SENT? [MS. JOHNSON]4441LOC[MS. JOHNSON] All4442NPAll of4443INof them4444PPthem were4445VBDbe African4446NPAfrican American4447NPAmerican .4448SENT. And4449CCand when4450WRBwhen defense4451NNdefense counsel4452NNcounsel said4453VVDsay he4454PPhe 's4455VBZbe investigating4456VVGinvestigate African4457JJAfrican American4458JJAmerican jurors4459NNSjuror ,4460,, there4461EXthere 's4462VBZbe no4463DTno evidence4464NNevidence that4465IN/thatthat he4466PPhe investigated4467VVDinvestigate anyone4468NNanyone else4469RBelse .4470SENT. He4471PPhe said4472VVDsay nothing4473NNnothing .4474SENT. So4475RBso he4476PPhe had4477VHDhave an4478DTan opportunity4479NNopportunity to4480TOto say4481VVsay ,4482,, oh4483UHoh ,4484,, I4485PPI 've4486VHPhave investigated4487VVNinvestigate everyone4488NNeveryone ,4489,, and4490CCand he4491PPhe did4492VVDdo not4493RBnot say4494VVsay that4495DTthat .4496SENT. [JUSTICE KAGAN]4497LOC[JUSTICE KAGAN] And4498CCand can4499MDcan I4500PPI ask4501VVask you4502PPyou about4503INabout the4504DTthe disparate4505JJdisparate questioning4506VVGquestion ?4507SENT? Because4508INbecause you4509PPyou referred4510VVDrefer to4511TOto something4512NNsomething which4513WDTwhich struck4514VVDstrike me4515PPme when4516WRBwhen ...4517:... as4518INas I4519PPI read4520VVPread through4521INthrough all4522DTall of4523INof this4524DTthis .4525SENT. This4526DTthis is4527VBZbe ...4528:... unlike4529INunlike some4530DTsome Batson4531NPBatson cases4532NNScase you4533PPyou see4534VVPsee ,4535,, it4536PPit 's4537VBZbe a4538DTa very4539RBvery small4540JJsmall town4541NNtown where4542WRBwhere everybody4543NNeverybody knows4544VVZknow everybody4545NNeverybody ,4546,, apparently4547RBapparently ,4548,, or4549CCor many4550JJmany people4551NNSpeople know4552VVPknow many4553JJmany people4554NNSpeople ,4555,, and4556CCand it4557PPit 's4558VBZbe a4559DTa largely4560RBlargely segregated4561JJsegregated town4562NNtown ,4563,, where4564WRBwhere you4565PPyou might4566MDmight think4567VVthink that4568IN/thatthat African4569NPAfrican Americans4570NPSAmericans knew4571VVDknow more4572RBRmore African4573JJAfrican Americans4574NPSAmericans than4575INthan they4576PPthey would4577MDwould whites4578NNSwhite or4579CCor vice4580JJvice versa4581RBversa .4582SENT. So4583RBso does4584VVZdo that4585DTthat account4586NNaccount for4587INfor some4588DTsome of4589INof the4590DTthe differential4591NNdifferential questioning4592VVGquestion ?4593SENT? In4594INin other4595JJother words4596NNSword ,4597,, just4598RBjust sort4599NNsort of4600INof looking4601VVGlook at4602INat the4603DTthe environment4604NNenvironment and4605CCand saying4606VVGsay ,4607,, I4608PPI have4609VHPhave to4610TOto push4611VVpush more4612JJRmore on4613INon whether4614INwhether X4615NPX knew4616VVDknow Y4617NNY because4618INbecause ,4619,, given4620VVNgive the4621DTthe circumstances4622NNScircumstance of4623INof the4624DTthe town4625NNtown ,4626,, X4627NPX might4628MDmight very4629RBvery well4630RBwell have4631VHPhave known4632VVNknow Y4633NNY ?4634SENT? [MS. JOHNSON]4635LOC[MS. JOHNSON] The4636DTthe Mississippi4637NPMississippi Supreme4638NPSupreme Court4639NPCourt said4640VVDsay that4641IN/thatthat it4642PPit accounted4643VVDaccount for4644INfor some4645DTsome of4646INof the4647DTthe differential4648NNdifferential questioning4649VVGquestion ,4650,, and4651CCand I4652PPI think4653VVPthink that4654WDTthat 's4655VBZbe correct4656JJcorrect .4657SENT. There4658EXthere are4659VBPbe more4660RBRmore African4661JJAfrican American4662JJAmerican jurors4663NNSjuror who4664WPwho report4665VVPreport relationships4666NNSrelationship with4667INwith defense4668NNdefense witnesses4669NNSwitness or4670CCor the4671DTthe defense4672NNdefense family4673NNfamily members4674NNSmember .4675SENT. But4676CCbut there4677EXthere are4678VBPbe five4679CDfive ...4680:... five4681CDfive white4682JJwhite jurors4683NNSjuror who4684WPwho report4685VVPreport such4686JJsuch relationships4687NNSrelationship and4688CCand whom4689WPwhom the4690DTthe prosecutor4691NNprosecutor did4692VVDdo not4693RBnot ask4694VVask questions4695NNSquestion about4696INabout those4697DTthose relationships4698NNSrelationship .4699SENT. So4700RBso ...4701:... [JUSTICE GINSBURG]4702LOC[JUSTICE GINSBURG] Such4703JJsuch ...4704:... when4705WRBwhen you4706PPyou say4707VVPsay "4708``" such4709JJsuch relationships4710NNSrelationship ,4711,, "4712''" were4713VBDbe they4714PPthey relationships4715NNSrelationship because4716INbecause of4717INof working4718VVGwork at4719INat the4720DTthe same4721JJsame place4722NNplace or4723CCor living4724VVGlive in4725INin the4726DTthe same4727JJsame neighborhood4728NNneighborhood ,4729,, in4730INin the4731DTthe case4732NNcase of4733INof the4734DTthe white4735JJwhite jurors4736NNSjuror ?4737SENT? [MS. JOHNSON]4738LOC[MS. JOHNSON] They4739PPthey were4740VBDbe ...4741:... none4742NNnone of4743INof the4744DTthe relationships4745NNSrelationship were4746VBDbe working4747VVGwork at4748INat the4749DTthe same4750JJsame place4751NNplace .4752SENT. But4753CCbut when4754WRBwhen ...4755:... when4756WRBwhen he4757PPhe was4758VBDbe asked4759VVNask ...4760:... when4761WRBwhen ...4762:... when4763WRBwhen they4764PPthey were4765VBDbe asked4766VVNask in4767INin group4768NNgroup voir4769FWvoir dire4770FWdire about4771INabout whom4772WPwhom they4773PPthey knew4774VVDknow ,4775,, white4776JJwhite jurors4777NNSjuror responded4778VVDrespond that4779IN/thatthat they4780PPthey knew4781VVDknow defense4782NNdefense witnesses4783NNSwitness ,4784,, and4785CCand they4786PPthey were4787VBDbe not4788RBnot questioned4789VVNquestion about4790INabout those4791DTthose witnesses4792NNSwitness .4793SENT. So4794RBso we4795PPwe can4796MDcan 't4797RB't really4798RBreally know4799VVknow what4800WPwhat the4801DTthe nature4802NNnature of4803INof those4804DTthose relationships4805NNSrelationship are4806VBPbe if4807INif we4808PPwe do4809VVPdo n't4810RBn't ask4811VVask questions4812NNSquestion .4813SENT. [JUSTICE ALITO]4814LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] Do4815VVPdo you4816PPyou ...4817:... do4818VVPdo you4819PPyou have4820VHPhave those4821DTthose names4822NNSname or4823CCor is4824VBZbe ...4825:... is4826VBZbe that4827IN/thatthat in4828INin your4829PP$your brief4830NNbrief someplace4831RBsomeplace ?4832SENT? I4833PPI do4834VVPdo n't4835RBn't remember4836VVremember .4837SENT. [MS. JOHNSON]4838LOC[MS. JOHNSON] It4839PPit is4840VBZbe in4841INin the4842DTthe brief4843NNbrief ,4844,, but4845CCbut it4846PPit is4847VBZbe Waller4848NPWaller ,4849,, Lester4850NPLester ,4851,, Blaylock4852NPBlaylock ,4853,, and4854CCand Fields4855NPFields ,4856,, as4857RBas well4858RBwell as4859INas Chesteen4860NPChesteen .4861SENT. [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]4862LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] I4863PPI found4864VVDfind it4865PPit strange4866JJstrange ,4867,, but4868CCbut maybe4869RBmaybe you4870PPyou can4871MDcan ...4872:... or4873CCor unusual4874JJunusual ,4875,, I4876PPI should4877MDshould say4878VVsay ,4879,, not4880RBnot strange4881JJstrange ...4882:... unusual4883JJunusual that4884IN/thatthat there4885EXthere were4886VBDbe some4887DTsome white4888JJwhite jurors4889NNSjuror who4890WPwho had4891VHDhave people4892NNSpeople accused4893VVNaccuse of4894INof crimes4895NNScrime in4896INin jail4897NNjail ,4898,, relatives4899NNSrelative accused4900VVDaccuse of4901INof crimes4902NNScrime in4903INin jails4904NNSjail .4905SENT. Were4906VBDbe there4907RBthere any4908DTany questions4909NNSquestion about4910INabout how4911WRBhow that4912RBthat affected4913VVNaffect those4914DTthose white4915JJwhite jurors4916NNSjuror ?4917SENT? [MS. JOHNSON]4918LOC[MS. JOHNSON] No4919RBno ,4920,, there4921EXthere were4922VBDbe no4923DTno questions4924NNSquestion about4925RBabout that4926IN/thatthat at4927INat all4928DTall of4929INof three4930CDthree of4931INof them4932PPthem and4933CCand I4934PPI think4935VVPthink a4936DTa very4937RBvery brief4938JJbrief question4939NNquestion about4940RBabout ...4941:... for4942INfor two4943CDtwo of4944INof them4945PPthem .4946SENT. And4947CCand I4948PPI think4949VVPthink that4950WDTthat goes4951VVZgo to4952TOto the4953DTthe question4954NNquestion of4955INof ,4956,, was4957VBDbe he4958PPhe really4959RBreally investigating4960VVGinvestigate bias4961NNbias when4962WRBwhen he4963PPhe asked4964VVDask this4965DTthis question4966NNquestion about4967INabout being4968VBGbe sued4969VVNsue by4970INby Tardy4971NPTardy Furniture4972NPFurniture ?4973SENT? If4974INif you4975PPyou 're4976VBPbe really4977RBreally investigating4978VVGinvestigate bias4979NNbias ,4980,, you4981PPyou would4982MDwould be4983VBbe concerned4984VVNconcern about4985INabout bias4986NNbias against4987INagainst your4988PP$your office4989NNoffice .4990SENT. And4991CCand he4992PPhe was4993VBDbe not4994RBnot interested4995JJinterested in4996INin that4997DTthat .4998SENT. With4999INwith the5000DTthe Court5001NPCourt 's5002POS's permission5003NNpermission ,5004,, I5005PPI will5006MDwill reserve5007VVreserve the5008DTthe rest5009NNrest of5010INof my5011PP$my time5012NNtime for5013INfor rebuttal5014NNrebuttal .5015SENT. [CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS]5016LOC[CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS] Thank5017VVthank you5018PPyou ,5019,, counsel5020NNcounsel .5021SENT.