<s> /Users/loicliegeois/TXM-0.8.1/treetagger-models/en.par /Users/loicliegeois/TXM-0.8.1/corpora/SUPREMECOURTUSV4-3/ptreetagger/Georgia.xml-src.tt /Users/loicliegeois/TXM-0.8.1/corpora/SUPREMECOURTUSV4-3/treetagger/Georgia.xml-out.tt pos tagset built from model /Users/loicliegeois/TXM-0.8.1/treetagger-models/en.par en lemma of the model /Users/loicliegeois/TXM-0.8.1/treetagger-models/en.par - [CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS]1LOC[CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS] We2PPwe 'll3MDwill hear4VVhear argument5NNargument next6JJnext in7INin Case8NPCase 18-11509CD@card@ ,10,, Georgia11NPGeorgia versus12CCversus Public13NPPublic .14SENT. Resource15NPResource .16SENT. Org17NPOrg ,18,, Inc19NPInc .20SENT. Mr21NPMr .22SENT. Johnson23NPJohnson .24SENT.

[MR. JOHNSON]25LOC[MR. JOHNSON] Mr26NPMr .27SENT. Chief28NPChief Justice29NPJustice ,30,, and31CCand may32MDmay it33PPit please34VVplease the35DTthe Court36NPCourt :37:: The38DTthe Eleventh39JJeleventh Circuit40NNcircuit held41VVDhold that42IN/thatthat annotations43NNSannotation to44TOto Georgia45NPGeorgia 's46POS's official47JJofficial code48NNcode are49VBPbe categorically50RBcategorically ineligible51JJineligible for52INfor copyright53NNcopyright protection54NNprotection .55SENT. That56DTthat holding57NNholding conflicts58NNSconflict with59INwith a60DTa straightforward61JJstraightforward application62NNapplication of63INof the64DTthe Copyright65NPCopyright Act66NPAct 's67POS's text68NNtext and69CCand this70DTthis Court71NPCourt 's72POS's precedents73NNSprecedent .74SENT. Starting75VVGstart with76INwith the77DTthe statute78NNstatute ,79,, Sections80NNSsection and81CCand 10382CD@card@ of83INof the84DTthe Act85NPAct expressly86RBexpressly provide87VVPprovide that88IN/thatthat annotations89NNSannotation are90VBPbe copyrightable91JJcopyrightable derivative92JJderivative works93NNSwork .94SENT. Nothing95NNnothing in96INin the97DTthe Act98NPAct supports99VVZsupport stripping100VVGstrip Georgia101NPGeorgia 's102POS's annotations103NNSannotation of104INof copyright105NNcopyright protection106NNprotection merely107RBmerely because108INbecause they109PPthey were110VBDbe prepared111VVNprepare by112INby a113DTa contractor114NNcontractor on115INon behalf116NNbehalf of117INof a118DTa state119NNstate agency120NNagency .121SENT. Therefore122RBtherefore ,123,, the124DTthe crux125NNcrux of126INof the127DTthe parties128NNSparty '129POS' dispute130NNdispute is131VBZbe whether132INwhether this133DTthis Court134NPCourt 's135POS's 19th-century136JJ19th-century precedents137NNSprecedent support138VVPsupport a139DTa decision140NNdecision different141JJdifferent from142INfrom the143DTthe one144CDone that145WDTthat would146MDwould be147VBbe reached148VVNreach by149INby applying150VVGapply standard151JJstandard interpretive152JJinterpretive principles153NNSprinciple to154TOto the155DTthe Copyright156NPCopyright Act157NPAct 's158POS's plain159JJplain text160NNtext .161SENT. They162PPthey do163VVPdo not164RBnot .165SENT. In166INin fact167NNfact ,168,, those169DTthose decisions170NNSdecision strongly171RBstrongly favor172VVPfavor Georgia173NPGeorgia .174SENT. Together175RBtogether ,176,, they177PPthey hold178VVPhold that179IN/thatthat while180INwhile judicial181JJjudicial opinions182NNSopinion are183VBPbe not184RBnot copyrightable185JJcopyrightable ,186,, annotations187NNSannotation added188VVDadd to189TOto opinions190NNSopinion by191INby a192DTa court193NNcourt 's194POS's official195JJofficial reporter196NNreporter are197VBPbe copyrightable198JJcopyrightable works199NNSwork of200INof authorship201NNauthorship .202SENT. Similarly203RBsimilarly ,204,, while205INwhile statutory206JJstatutory text207NNtext is208VBZbe not209RBnot copyrightable210JJcopyrightable ,211,, annotated212VVDannotate research213NNresearch references214NNSreference are215VBPbe eligible216JJeligible for217INfor copyright218NNcopyright protection219NNprotection ,220,, even221RBeven if222INif they223PPthey appear224VVPappear in225INin an226DTan official227JJofficial code228NNcode book229NNbook like230INlike the231DTthe OCGA232NPOCGA .233SENT. As234INas a235DTa diverse236JJdiverse coalition237NNcoalition of238INof states239NNSstate has240VHZhave explained241VVNexplain ,242,, affirming243VVGaffirm the244DTthe decision245NNdecision below246RBbelow would247MDwould scuttle248VVscuttle numerous249JJnumerous states250NNSstate '251POS' regimes252NNSregime for253INfor publishing254VVGpublish annotated255VVNannotate official256NNofficial codes257NNScode .258SENT. Absent259JJabsent direction260NNdirection from261INfrom Congress262NPCongress ,263,, this264DTthis Court265NPCourt should266MDshould not267RBnot extend268VVextend a269DTa judge-made270JJjudge-made doctrine271NNdoctrine to272TOto override273VVoverride the274DTthe systems275NNSsystem established276VVNestablish by277INby numerous278JJnumerous states279NNSstate '280POS' democratically281RBdemocratically elected282VVNelect governments283NNSgovernment .284SENT. I285PPI invite286VVinvite questions287NNSquestion .288SENT. But289CCbut as290INas a291DTa diverse292JJdiverse ...293:... so294INso PRO295NNpro 's296POS's case297NNcase rests298VVZrest heavily299RBheavily on300INon an301DTan expansive302JJexpansive interpretation303NNinterpretation of304INof just305RBjust a306DTa few307JJfew sentences308NNSsentence of309INof this310DTthis Court311NPCourt 's312POS's 1888313CD@card@ Banks314NNSbank decision315NNdecision .316SENT. But317CCbut the318DTthe Banks319NPSBanks case320NNcase really321RBreally just322RBjust explained323VVDexplain its324PP$its rationale325NNrationale in326INin a327DTa single328JJsingle sentence329NNsentence ,330,, and331CCand that332DTthat sentence333NNsentence says334VVZsay that335IN/thatthat the336DTthe whole337JJwhole work338NNwork done339VVNdo by340INby the341DTthe judges342NNSjudge constitutes343VVZconstitute the344DTthe authentic345JJauthentic exposition346NNexposition and347CCand interpretation348NNinterpretation of349INof the350DTthe law351NNlaw ,352,, which353WDTwhich is354VBZbe binding355VVGbind on356INon every357DTevery citizen358NNcitizen and359CCand is360VBZbe thus361RBthus free362JJfree for363INfor publication364NNpublication to365TOto all366DTall .367SENT. So368RBso we369PPwe read370VVPread that371DTthat sentence372NNsentence as373INas establishing374VVGestablish the375DTthe principle376NNprinciple that377IN/thatthat a378DTa work379NNwork is380VBZbe not381RBnot copyrightable382JJcopyrightable if383INif it384PPit is385VBZbe of386INof a387DTa type388NNtype that389WDTthat can390MDcan serve391VVserve as392INas a393DTa vehicle394NNvehicle for395INfor establishing396VVGestablish binding397JJbinding law398NNlaw .399SENT. [CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS]400LOC[CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS] What401WPWhat do402VVPdo you403PPyou understand404VVPunderstand the405DTthe significance406NNsignificance to407TOto be408VBbe of409INof the410DTthe fact411NNfact that412IN/thatthat these413DTthese annotations414NNSannotation ,415,, the416DTthe references417NNSreference are418VBPbe official419JJofficial ?420SENT? [MR. JOHNSON]421LOC[MR. JOHNSON] I422PPI ...423:... [CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS]424LOC[CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS] Does425VVZdo that426DTthat ...427:... does428VVZdo that429RBthat give430VVgive them431PPthem more432JJRmore weight433NNweight when434WRBwhen they435PPthey 're436VBPbe cited437VVNcite to438TOto the439DTthe court440NNcourt ?441SENT? [MR. JOHNSON]442LOC[MR. JOHNSON] No443NPNo .444SENT. And445CCand I446PPI think447VVPthink that448IN/thatthat the449DTthe thing450NNthing that451WDTthat 's452VBZbe official453JJofficial is454VBZbe the455DTthe code456NNcode .457SENT. So458RBso it459PPit 's460VBZbe the461DTthe Official462NPOfficial Code463NPCode of464INof Georgia465NPGeorgia .466SENT. [CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS]467LOC[CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS] Whether468INwhether the469DTthe ...470:... the471DTthe ...472:... whatever473WDTwhatever the474DTthe additional475JJadditional material476NNmaterial is477VBZbe included478VVNinclude in479INin ...480:... [MR. JOHNSON]481LOC[MR. JOHNSON] It482PPit does483VVZdo appear484VVappear in485INin the486DTthe same487JJsame publication488NNpublication .489SENT. That490DTthat 's491VBZbe correct492JJcorrect .493SENT. And494CCand I495PPI do496VVPdo n't497RBn't think498VVthink that499IN/thatthat that500WDTthat makes501VVZmake a502DTa difference503NNdifference for504INfor purposes505NNSpurpose of506INof copyright507NNcopyright under508INunder this509DTthis Court510NPCourt 's511POS's precedent512NNprecedent .513SENT. And514CCand I515PPI think516VVPthink that517IN/thatthat that518DTthat 's519VBZbe clear520JJclear from521INfrom Wheaton522NPWheaton and523CCand Callaghan524NPCallaghan .525SENT. So526RBso ,527,, in528INin both529DTboth of530INof those531DTthose cases532NNScase ,533,, the534DTthe Court535NPCourt said536VVDsay that537IN/thatthat a538DTa court-appointed539JJcourt-appointed official540NNofficial reporter541NNreporter could542MDcould hold543VVhold copyright544NNcopyright in545INin annotations546NNSannotation that547WDTthat appeared548VVDappear in549INin the550DTthe reporter551NNreporter volumes552NNSvolume .553SENT. So554INso this555DTthis case556NNcase is557VBZbe really558RBreally just559RBjust the560DTthe legislative561JJlegislative analogue562NNanalogue of563INof Callaghan564NPCallaghan .565SENT. In566INin Callaghan567NPCallaghan ,568,, the569DTthe Court570NPCourt held571VVDhold that572IN/thatthat the573DTthe official574JJofficial reporter575NNreporter could576MDcould hold577VVhold copyright578NNcopyright in579INin things580NNSthing like581INlike headnotes582NNSheadnote at583INat the584DTthe top585NNtop of586INof a587DTa decision588NNdecision .589SENT. And590CCand if591INif you592PPyou look593VVPlook at594INat the595DTthe judicial596JJjudicial decision597NNdecision summaries598NNSsummary in599INin the600DTthe OCGA601NPOCGA ,602,, they603PPthey are604VBPbe materially605RBmaterially indistinguishable606JJindistinguishable from607INfrom those608DTthose headnotes609NNSheadnote ...610:... [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]611LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] This612DTthis case613NNcase ...614:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]615LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] Except616INexcept ...617:... go618VVgo ahead619RBahead .620SENT. [JUSTICE GINSBURG]621LOC[JUSTICE GINSBURG] But622CCbut why623WRBwhy is624VBZbe n't625RBn't ...626:... why627WRBwhy is628VBZbe n't629RBn't the630DTthe legislature631NNlegislature like632INlike the633DTthe judge634NNjudge ?635SENT? The636DTthe ...637:... the638DTthe judge639NNjudge puts640VVZput his641PP$his imprimatur642NNimprimatur on643INon the644DTthe annotations645NNSannotation not646RBnot copyrightable647JJcopyrightable of648INof the649DTthe syllabus650NNsyllabus .651SENT. And652CCand ,653,, here654RBhere ,655,, it656PPit 's657VBZbe the658DTthe state659NNstate legislature660NNlegislature .661SENT. Why662WRBwhy do663VVPdo you664PPyou treat665VVtreat the666DTthe judge667NNjudge and668CCand the669DTthe state670NNstate legislature671NNlegislature differently672RBdifferently ?673SENT? [MR. JOHNSON]674LOC[MR. JOHNSON] Well675UHwell ,676,, I677PPI think678VVPthink it679PPit 's680VBZbe different681JJdifferent because682INbecause the683DTthe general684JJgeneral assembly685NNassembly is686VBZbe not687RBnot enacting688VVGenact individual689JJindividual annotations690NNSannotation through691INthrough bicameralism692NNbicameralism and693CCand presentment694NNpresentment .695SENT. So696INso the697DTthe annotations698NNSannotation are699VBPbe first700RBfirst prepared701VVNprepare by702INby a703DTa commercial704JJcommercial publisher705NNpublisher ,706,, so707RBso by708INby a709DTa contractor710NNcontractor ,711,, and712CCand they713PPthey do714VVPdo that715IN/thatthat subject716JJsubject to717TOto the718DTthe supervision719NNsupervision of720INof the721DTthe Code722NPCode Revision723NPRevision Commission724NPCommission .725SENT. [JUSTICE GINSBURG]726LOC[JUSTICE GINSBURG] But727CCbut they728PPthey do729VVPdo it730PPit as731RBas ...732:... as733INas a734DTa ...735:... what736WPwhat do737VVPdo they738PPthey call739VVPcall it740PPit ,741,, authors742NNSauthor for743INfor hire744NNhire .745SENT. So746INso the747DTthe one748CDone that749WDTthat would750MDwould hold751VVhold the752DTthe copyright753NNcopyright would754MDwould be755VBbe the756DTthe state757NNstate .758SENT. [MR. JOHNSON]759LOC[MR. JOHNSON] The760DTthe state761NNstate does762VVZdo hold763VVhold the764DTthe copyright765NNcopyright ,766,, that767WDTthat is768VBZbe correct769JJcorrect ,770,, very771RBvery much772RBmuch like773VVlike how774WRBhow an775DTan official776JJofficial reporter777NNreporter held778VVDhold the779DTthe copyright780NNcopyright in781INin Wheaton782NPWheaton and783CCand Callaghan784NPCallaghan .785SENT. So786RBso ,787,, here788RBhere ,789,, the790DTthe Code791NPCode Revision792NPRevision Commission793NPCommission ,794,, acting795VVGact on796INon behalf797NNbehalf of798INof the799DTthe state800NNstate ,801,, obtains802VVZobtain a803DTa copyright804NNcopyright for805INfor the806DTthe state807NNstate .808SENT. But809CCbut I810PPI think811VVPthink the812DTthe crucial813JJcrucial point814NNpoint under815INunder Banks816NNSbank is817VBZbe that818IN/thatthat the819DTthe annotations820NNSannotation are821VBPbe not822RBnot individually823RBindividually reviewed824VVNreview by825INby legislators826NNSlegislator .827SENT. They828PPthey do829VVPdo not830RBnot go831VVgo through832INthrough the833DTthe process834NNprocess of835INof bicameralism836NNbicameralism and837CCand presentment838NNpresentment .839SENT. So840RBso ...841:... [JUSTICE GORSUCH]842LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] Well843UHWell ,844,, but845RBbut ,846,, counsel847NNcounsel ,848,, are849VBPbe n't850RBn't they851PPthey approved852VVDapprove ?853SENT? I854PPI thought855VVDthink they856PPthey were857VBDbe at858INat least859JJSleast approved860VVNapprove as861INas a862DTa whole863NNwhole by864INby the865DTthe legislature866NNlegislature .867SENT. [MR. JOHNSON]868LOC[MR. JOHNSON] So869INso I870PPI think871VVPthink the872DTthe Eleventh873JJeleventh Circu874NPCircu it875PPit 's876POS's decision877NNdecision is878VBZbe perhaps879RBperhaps a880DTa little881RBlittle confusing882JJconfusing on883INon this884DTthis issue885NNissue ,886,, but887CCbut I888PPI do889VVPdo n't890RBn't think891VVthink that892IN/thatthat there893EXthere 's894VBZbe any895DTany disagreement896NNdisagreement about897INabout the898DTthe underlying899VVGunderlie facts900NNSfact .901SENT. The902DTthe answer903NNanswer is904VBZbe ,905,, as906INas the907DTthe Eleventh908JJeleventh Circuit909NNcircuit said910VVDsay in911INin its912PP$its opinion913NNopinion ,914,, the915DTthe annotations916NNSannotation are917VBPbe not918RBnot individually919RBindividually enacted920VVNenact .921SENT. [JUSTICE GORSUCH]922LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] I923PPI ...924:... I925PPI understand926VVPunderstand that927RBthat .928SENT. I929PPI ...930:... I931PPI posited932VVDposit that933IN/thatthat in934INin my935PP$my question936NNquestion to937TOto you938PPyou .939SENT. [MR. JOHNSON]940LOC[MR. JOHNSON] Right941NPRight ,942,, right943RBright .944SENT. [JUSTICE GORSUCH]945LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] Are946VBPbe n't947RBn't they948PPthey approved949VVDapprove as950INas a951DTa whole952NNwhole by953INby the954DTthe legislature955NNlegislature ?956SENT? [MR. JOHNSON]957LOC[MR. JOHNSON] So958INso what959WPwhat the960DTthe legislature961NNlegislature does962VVZdo every963DTevery year964NNyear is965VBZbe passes966NNSpass a967DTa reviser968NNreviser act969NNact ,970,, and971CCand the972DTthe reviser973NNreviser act974NNact reenacts975VVZreenact the976DTthe code977NNcode ,978,, including979VVGinclude OCGA980NPOCGA 1-1-1981CD@card@ ,982,, which983WDTwhich calls984VVZcall for985INfor the986DTthe statutory987JJstatutory text988NNtext to989TOto be990VBbe merged991VVNmerge with992INwith the993DTthe annotations994NNSannotation .995SENT. [JUSTICE GORSUCH]996LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] Okay997NPOkay .998SENT. All999DTall right1000NNright .1001SENT. So1002RBso ,1003,, if1004INif that1005WDTthat 's1006VBZbe the1007DTthe case1008NNcase ,1009,, and1010CCand you1011PPyou include1012VVPinclude the1013DTthe word1014NNword "1015``" official1016NNofficial "1017''" on1018INon it1019PPit ,1020,, presumably1021RBpresumably ,1022,, you1023PPyou 're1024VBPbe doing1025VVGdo that1026IN/thatthat to1027TOto create1028VVcreate some1029DTsome value1030NNvalue for1031INfor the1032DTthe reporter1033NNreporter .1034SENT. Why1035WRBwhy would1036MDwould we1037PPwe allow1038VVallow the1039DTthe official1040JJofficial law1041NNlaw enacted1042VVNenact by1043INby a1044DTa legislature1045NNlegislature ,1046,, approved1047VVDapprove ...1048:... equivalent1049NNequivalent of1050INof being1051VBGbe approved1052VVNapprove by1053INby a1054DTa judge1055NNjudge in1056INin annotations1057NNSannotation ,1058,, as1059INas Justice1060NPJustice Ginsburg1061NPGinsburg indicated1062VVDindicate ,1063,, why1064WRBwhy would1065MDwould we1066PPwe allow1067VVallow the1068DTthe official1069JJofficial law1070NNlaw to1071TOto be1072VBbe hidden1073VVNhide behind1074INbehind a1075DTa pay1076NNpay wall1077NNwall ?1078SENT? [MR. JOHNSON]1079LOC[MR. JOHNSON] So1080INso I1081PPI do1082VVPdo n't1083RBn't think1084VVthink that1085IN/thatthat adopting1086VVGadopt our1087PP$our position1088NNposition would1089MDwould cause1090VVcause the1091DTthe law1092NNlaw to1093TOto be1094VBbe hidden1095VVNhide behind1096INbehind a1097DTa pay1098NNpay wall1099NNwall .1100SENT. First1101RBfirst ,1102,, the1103DTthe law1104NNlaw is1105VBZbe available1106JJavailable on1107INon Lexis1108NPLexis 's1109POS's website1110NNwebsite .1111SENT. And1112CCand also1113RBalso ,1114,, PRO1115FWpro is1116VBZbe free1117JJfree to1118TOto cut1119VVcut ...1120:... [JUSTICE GORSUCH]1121LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] But1122CCbut not1123RBnot the1124DTthe annotations1125NNSannotation that1126IN/thatthat the1127DTthe legislature1128NNlegislature has1129VHZhave ,1130,, in1131INin some1132DTsome fashion1133NNfashion or1134CCor another1135DTanother ,1136,, given1137VVNgive its1138PP$its official1139JJofficial approval1140NNapproval to1141TOto .1142SENT. [MR. JOHNSON]1143LOC[MR. JOHNSON] The1144DTthe annotations1145NNSannotation are1146VBPbe not1147RBnot the1148DTthe law1149NNlaw .1150SENT. So1151INso the1152DTthe law1153NNlaw is1154VBZbe not1155RBnot behind1156INbehind a1157DTa pay1158NNpay wall1159NNwall .1160SENT. Also1161RBalso ,1162,, the1163DTthe annotations1164NNSannotation are1165VBPbe available1166JJavailable ...1167:... [JUSTICE GORSUCH]1168LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] You1169PPyou 're1170VBPbe not1171RBnot arguing1172VVGargue that1173IN/thatthat it1174PPit 's1175VBZbe purely1176RBpurely ...1177:... I1178PPI thought1179VVDthink you1180PPyou had1181VHDhave disavowed1182VVNdisavow the1183DTthe argument1184NNargument that1185IN/thatthat it1186PPit 's1187VBZbe only1188RBonly things1189NNSthing that1190WDTthat bind1191VVPbind for1192INfor which1193WDTwhich copyright1194NNcopyright 's1195VBZbe unavailable1196JJunavailable .1197SENT. [MR. JOHNSON]1198LOC[MR. JOHNSON] So1199INso our1200PP$our position1201NNposition is1202VBZbe that1203IN/thatthat if1204INif a1205DTa work1206NNwork is1207VBZbe of1208INof a1209DTa type1210NNtype that1211IN/thatthat ,1212,, as1213INas a1214DTa class1215NNclass ,1216,, can1217MDcan serve1218VVserve as1219INas a1220DTa vehicle1221NNvehicle for1222INfor establishing1223VVGestablish binding1224JJbinding law1225NNlaw like1226INlike judicial1227JJjudicial opinions1228NNSopinion ...1229:... [JUSTICE GORSUCH]1230LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] And1231CCand ...1232:... and1233CCand are1234VBPbe n't1235RBn't annotations1236NNSannotation in1237INin that1238DTthat category1239NNcategory ?1240SENT? Are1241VBPbe n't1242RBn't they1243PPthey frequently1244RBfrequently used1245VVDuse by1246INby state1247NNstate courts1248NNScourt as1249INas indications1250NNSindication of1251INof the1252DTthe legislature1253NNlegislature 's1254POS's intentions1255NNSintention ?1256SENT? [MR. JOHNSON]1257LOC[MR. JOHNSON] No1258NPNo ,1259,, not1260RBnot the1261DTthe type1262NNtype of1263INof annotations1264NNSannotation that1265IN/thatthat we1266PPwe 're1267VBPbe talking1268VVGtalk about1269RBabout here1270RBhere .1271SENT. We1272PPwe 're1273VBPbe talking1274VVGtalk about1275INabout traditional1276JJtraditional annotations1277NNSannotation that1278WDTthat are1279VBPbe research1280NNresearch references1281NNSreference or1282CCor finding1283VVGfind aids1284NNSaid .1285SENT. They1286PPthey 're1287VBPbe things1288NNSthing like1289VVPlike ,1290,, to1291TOto give1292VVgive an1293DTan example1294NNexample from1295INfrom JA1296NPJa 6991297CD@card@ ,1298,, one1299CDone of1300INof the1301DTthe annotations1302NNSannotation that1303IN/thatthat we1304PPwe 're1305VBPbe claiming1306VVGclaim copyright1307NNcopyright in1308INin ,1309,, says1310VVZsay for1311INfor a1312DTa survey1313NNsurvey article1314NNarticle on1315INon trial1316NNtrial practice1317NNpractice and1318CCand procedure1319NNprocedure ,1320,, see1321VVPsee a1322DTa particular1323JJparticular law1324NNlaw review1325NNreview .1326SENT. [JUSTICE GORSUCH]1327LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] So1328INso you1329PPyou 're1330VBPbe disavowing1331VVGdisavow that1332IN/thatthat they1333PPthey 're1334VBPbe ever1335RBever used1336VVNuse by1337INby state1338NNstate courts1339NNScourt as1340INas indications1341NNSindication of1342INof legislative1343JJlegislative intent1344NNintent ?1345SENT? That1346WDTthat never1347RBnever happens1348VVZhappen ?1349SENT? [MR. JOHNSON]1350LOC[MR. JOHNSON] They1351PPthey are1352VBPbe ...1353:... [JUSTICE GORSUCH]1354LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] That1355DTthat 's1356VBZbe the1357DTthe representation1358NNrepresentation you1359PPyou 're1360VBPbe making1361VVGmake to1362TOto this1363DTthis Court1364NPCourt ?1365SENT? [MR. JOHNSON]1366LOC[MR. JOHNSON] The1367DTthe annotations1368NNSannotation would1369MDwould never1370RBnever be1371VBbe used1372VVNuse as1373INas an1374DTan indication1375NNindication of1376INof legislative1377JJlegislative intent1378NNintent like1379INlike you1380PPyou would1381MDwould cite1382VVcite legislative1383JJlegislative history1384NNhistory material1385NNmaterial .1386SENT. [JUSTICE ALITO]1387LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] There1388EXthere are1389VBPbe ...1390:... [JUSTICE KAGAN]1391LOC[JUSTICE KAGAN] Why1392WRBwhy does1393VVZdo Georgia1394NPGeorgia ...1395:... [JUSTICE ALITO]1396LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] No1397NPNo ,1398,, go1399VVPgo ahead1400RBahead .1401SENT. Does1402VVZdo that1403RBthat apply1404VVapply to1405TOto all1406DTall of1407INof the1408DTthe annotations1409NNSannotation in1410INin the1411DTthe official1412JJofficial code1413NNcode ?1414SENT? Does1415VVZdo it1416PPit apply1417VVapply to1418TOto annotations1419NNSannotation made1420VVNmake by1421INby the1422DTthe Georgia1423NPGeorgia Bar1424NPBar ?1425SENT? [MR. JOHNSON]1426LOC[MR. JOHNSON] So1427INso the1428DTthe ...1429:... it1430PPit applies1431VVZapply to1432TOto all1433PDTall the1434DTthe annotations1435NNSannotation we1436PPwe 're1437VBPbe claiming1438VVGclaim copyright1439NNcopyright in1440INin .1441SENT. The1442DTthe Georgia1443NPGeorgia Bar1444NPBar ,1445,, I1446PPI think1447VVPthink of1448INof those1449DTthose as1450INas comments1451NNScomment ,1452,, not1453RBnot necessarily1454RBnecessarily annotations1455NNSannotation .1456SENT. They1457PPthey 're1458VBPbe provided1459VVNprovide by1460INby the1461DTthe Georgia1462NPGeorgia Bar1463NPBar Committee1464NPCommittee to1465TOto the1466DTthe Code1467NPCode Revision1468NPRevision Commission1469NPCommission .1470SENT. The1471DTthe bar1472NNbar committees1473NNScommittee ask1474VVPask that1475IN/thatthat they1476PPthey be1477VBbe included1478VVNinclude in1479INin the1480DTthe code1481NNcode .1482SENT. And1483CCand ,1484,, often1485RBoften ,1486,, the1487DTthe people1488NNSpeople who1489WPwho write1490VVPwrite them1491PPthem are1492VBPbe involved1493VVNinvolve in1494INin actually1495RBactually drafting1496VVGdraft the1497DTthe statutes1498NNSstatute .1499SENT. Georgia1500NPGeorgia courts1501NNScourt do1502VVPdo cite1503VVcite those1504DTthose comments1505NNScomment ,1506,, but1507CCbut we1508PPwe are1509VBPbe not1510RBnot claiming1511VVGclaim copyright1512NNcopyright in1513INin those1514DTthose annotations1515NNSannotation .1516SENT. PRO1517FWpro is1518VBZbe free1519JJfree to1520TOto copy1521VVcopy them1522PPthem .1523SENT. And1524CCand ,1525,, in1526INin fact1527NNfact ,1528,, they1529PPthey appear1530VVPappear in1531INin West1532NPWest 's1533POS's unannotated1534JJunannotated ...1535:... [JUSTICE ALITO]1536LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] What1537WPWhat is1538VBZbe the1539DTthe ...1540:... [MR. JOHNSON]1541LOC[MR. JOHNSON] ...1542:... or1543CCor unannotated1544JJunannotated code1545NNcode .1546SENT. [JUSTICE ALITO]1547LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] ...1548:... what1549WPwhat is1550VBZbe the1551DTthe ...1552:... what1553WPwhat is1554VBZbe the1555DTthe theory1556NNtheory that1557WDTthat distinguishes1558VVZdistinguish those1559DTthose annotations1560NNSannotation from1561INfrom the1562DTthe other1563JJother annotations1564NNSannotation ?1565SENT? [MR. JOHNSON]1566LOC[MR. JOHNSON] I1567PPI ...1568:... well1569UHwell ,1570,, I1571PPI think1572VVPthink that1573IN/thatthat ,1574,, first1575JJfirst of1576INof all1577DTall ,1578,, the1579DTthe author1580NNauthor is1581VBZbe different1582JJdifferent .1583SENT. So1584RBso it1585PPit 's1586VBZbe the1587DTthe state1588NNstate bar1589NNbar .1590SENT. The1591DTthe state1592NNstate bar1593NNbar ,1594,, if1595INif it1596PPit wanted1597VVDwant to1598TOto make1599VVmake a1600DTa copyright1601NNcopyright claim1602NNclaim ,1603,, would1604MDwould have1605VHhave to1606TOto be1607VBbe the1608DTthe one1609CDone that1610WDTthat 's1611VBZbe making1612VVGmake the1613DTthe copyright1614NNcopyright claim1615NNclaim .1616SENT. I1617PPI do1618VVPdo n't1619RBn't think1620VVthink that1621DTthat ...1622:... I1623PPI think1624VVPthink probably1625RBprobably those1626DTthose would1627MDwould not1628RBnot be1629VBbe copyrightable1630JJcopyrightable if1631INif the1632DTthe state1633NNstate bar1634NNbar was1635VBDbe trying1636VVGtry to1637TOto make1638VVmake a1639DTa copyright1640NNcopyright claim1641NNclaim .1642SENT. [JUSTICE ALITO]1643LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] Why1644NPWhy ?1645SENT? [MR. JOHNSON]1646LOC[MR. JOHNSON] I1647PPI ...1648:... I1649PPI ...1650:... now1651RBnow I1652PPI think1653VVPthink there1654EXthere could1655MDcould be1656VBbe maybe1657RBmaybe a1658DTa debate1659NNdebate or1660CCor dispute1661NNdispute about1662INabout this1663DTthis ,1664,, but1665CCbut I1666PPI think1667VVPthink that1668IN/thatthat they1669PPthey probably1670RBprobably would1671MDwould not1672RBnot be1673VBbe copyrightable1674JJcopyrightable because1675INbecause they1676PPthey are1677VBPbe offered1678VVNoffer for1679INfor the1680DTthe purpose1681NNpurpose of1682INof providing1683VVGprovide a1684DTa gloss1685NNgloss on1686INon the1687DTthe text1688NNtext ,1689,, the1690DTthe drafter1691NNdrafter 's1692POS's intent1693NNintent for1694INfor the1695DTthe statutory1696JJstatutory text1697NNtext in1698INin some1699DTsome cases1700NNScase .1701SENT. And1702CCand courts1703NNScourt in1704INin Georgia1705NPGeorgia have1706VHPhave treated1707VVNtreat them1708PPthem as1709RBas such1710JJsuch .1711SENT. [JUSTICE ALITO]1712LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] Why1713WRBwhy would1714MDwould the1715DTthe Georgia1716NPGeorgia Bar1717NPBar have1718VHPhave particular1719JJparticular insight1720NNinsight into1721INinto the1722DTthe intent1723NNintent of1724INof the1725DTthe legislature1726NNlegislature in1727INin enacting1728VVGenact a1729DTa provision1730NNprovision of1731INof law1732NNlaw ?1733SENT? [MR. JOHNSON]1734LOC[MR. JOHNSON] Well1735UHWell ,1736,, often1737RBoften ...1738:... my1739PP$my understanding1740NNunderstanding from1741INfrom reading1742VVGread the1743DTthe introductory1744JJintroductory text1745NNtext to1746TOto these1747DTthese comments1748NNScomment is1749VBZbe that1750IN/thatthat they1751PPthey 're1752VBPbe often1753RBoften drafted1754VVNdraft by1755INby people1756NNSpeople who1757WPwho were1758VBDbe involved1759VVNinvolve in1760INin drafting1761VVGdraft the1762DTthe legislation1763NNlegislation .1764SENT. So1765RBso ,1766,, even1767RBeven though1768INthough a1769DTa bar1770NNbar committee1771NNcommittee member1772NNmember is1773VBZbe n't1774RBn't in1775INin the1776DTthe legislature1777NNlegislature ,1778,, they1779PPthey 're1780VBPbe often1781RBoften involved1782VVNinvolve in1783INin assisting1784VVGassist with1785INwith the1786DTthe drafting1787VVGdraft of1788INof the1789DTthe legislation1790NNlegislation .1791SENT. Now1792RBnow perhaps1793RBperhaps ...1794:... [JUSTICE ALITO]1795LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] But1796CCbut a1797DTa lot1798NNlot of1799INof people1800NNSpeople could1801MDcould be1802VBbe involved1803VVNinvolve in1804INin ...1805:... in1806INin ...1807:... in1808INin the1809DTthe drafting1810VVGdraft of1811INof legislation1812NNlegislation .1813SENT. It1814PPit could1815MDcould have1816VHhave been1817VBNbe proposed1818VVNpropose by1819INby some1820DTsome interest1821NNinterest group1822NNgroup ,1823,, it1824PPit could1825MDcould have1826VHhave been1827VBNbe something1828NNsomething that1829WDTthat was1830VBDbe worked1831VVNwork on1832INon by1833INby a1834DTa law1835NNlaw professor1836NNprofessor .1837SENT. So1838RBso what1839WPwhat distinguishes1840VVZdistinguish ...1841:... those1842DTthose could1843MDcould ...1844:... those1845DTthose would1846MDwould be1847VBbe copyrightable1848JJcopyrightable ,1849,, should1850MDshould n't1851RBn't ...1852:... would1853MDwould n't1854RBn't they1855PPthey be1856VBbe if1857INif they1858PPthey ...1859:... somebody1860NNsomebody like1861INlike that1862WDTthat wrote1863VVDwrite an1864DTan article1865NNarticle ?1866SENT? So1867RBso what1868WPwhat distinguishes1869VVZdistinguish them1870PPthem from1871INfrom the1872DTthe comments1873NNScomment of1874INof the1875DTthe Georgia1876NPGeorgia Bar1877NPBar ?1878SENT? [MR. JOHNSON]1879LOC[MR. JOHNSON] So1880INso I1881PPI think1882VVPthink it1883PPit 's1884VBZbe perhaps1885RBperhaps different1886JJdifferent because1887INbecause the1888DTthe Georgia1889NPGeorgia Bar1890NPBar has1891VHZhave specifically1892RBspecifically asked1893VVNask for1894INfor these1895DTthese comments1896NNScomment to1897TOto be1898VBbe included1899VVNinclude in1900INin the1901DTthe OCGA1902NPOCGA and1903CCand Georgia1904NPGeorgia courts1905NNScourt have1906VHPhave treated1907VVNtreat them1908PPthem as1909INas having1910VHGhave some1911DTsome authoritative1912JJauthoritative weight1913NNweight .1914SENT. So1915RBso I1916PPI think1917VVPthink that1918IN/thatthat that1919DTthat 's1920VBZbe what1921WPwhat makes1922VVZmake it1923PPit different1924JJdifferent .1925SENT. But1926CCbut I1927PPI want1928VVPwant to1929TOto stress1930VVstress that1931IN/thatthat the1932DTthe comments1933NNScomment are1934VBPbe not1935RBnot at1936INat issue1937NNissue in1938INin this1939DTthis case1940NNcase .1941SENT. So1942RBso I1943PPI 'm1944VBPbe just1945RBjust trying1946VVGtry to1947TOto give1948VVgive my1949PP$my best1950JJSgood views1951NNSview about1952RBabout whether1953INwhether those1954DTthose are1955VBPbe ...1956:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]1957LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] I1958PPI ...1959:... I1960PPI 'm1961VBPbe sorry1962JJsorry ...1963:... [MR. JOHNSON]1964LOC[MR. JOHNSON] ...1965:... copyrightable1966JJcopyrightable or1967CCor not1968RBnot .1969SENT. [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]1970LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] ...1971:... I1972PPI did1973VVDdo n't1974RBn't actually1975RBactually in1976INin reading1977VVGread this1978DTthis brief1979NNbrief understand1980VVunderstand that1981DTthat .1982SENT. And1983CCand I1984PPI 'm1985VBPbe not1986RBnot sure1987JJsure the1988DTthe court1989NNcourt below1990RBbelow did1991VVDdo because1992INbecause they1993PPthey relied1994VVDrely on1995INon the1996DTthe comments1997NNScomment as1998INas one1999CDone of2000INof the2001DTthe reasons2002NNSreason for2003INfor why2004WRBwhy this2005DTthis was2006VBDbe attributable2007JJattributable to2008TOto the2009DTthe state2010NNstate ,2011,, for2012INfor the2013DTthe very2014JJvery reasons2015NNSreason you2016PPyou 're2017VBPbe giving2018VVGgive ,2019,, that2020IN/thatthat the2021DTthe state2022NNstate asked2023VVDask for2024INfor them2025PPthem ,2026,, that2027IN/thatthat the2028DTthe state2029NNstate commission2030NNcommission who2031WPwho prepares2032VVZprepare them2033PPthem is2034VBZbe involved2035VVNinvolve generally2036RBgenerally in2037INin the2038DTthe drafting2039VVGdraft of2040INof the2041DTthe law2042NNlaw .2043SENT. And2044CCand so2045RBso I2046PPI do2047VVPdo n't2048RBn't think2049VVthink they2050PPthey separated2051VVDseparate out2052RPout that2053IN/thatthat the2054DTthe only2055JJonly thing2056NNthing you2057PPyou were2058VBDbe seeking2059VVGseek copyright2060NNcopyright protection2061NNprotection for2062INfor is2063VBZbe the2064DTthe research2065NNresearch comments2066NNScomment and2067CCand the2068DTthe ...2069:... what2070WPwhat ...2071:... tell2072VVtell me2073PPme exactly2074RBexactly which2075WDTwhich part2076NNpart of2077INof the2078DTthe annotations2079NNSannotation you2080PPyou 're2081VBPbe seeking2082VVGseek .2083SENT. [MR. JOHNSON]2084LOC[MR. JOHNSON] It2085PPit 's2086VBZbe the2087DTthe materials2088NNSmaterial listed2089VVNlist at2090INat JA2091NPJa 4962092CD@card@ to2093TOto 4972094CD@card@ .2095SENT. And2096CCand I2097PPI ...2098:... I2099PPI can2100MDcan march2101VVmarch through2102INthrough those2103DTthose ...2104:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]2105LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] No2106UHNo ,2107,, no2108UHno .2109SENT. [MR. JOHNSON]2110LOC[MR. JOHNSON] ...2111:... if2112INif it2113PPit would2114MDwould be2115VBbe helpful2116JJhelpful .2117SENT. But2118CCbut ...2119:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]2120LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] That2121DTthat 's2122VBZbe all2123DTall right2124NNright .2125SENT. But2126CCbut I2127PPI do2128VVPdo have2129VHhave a2130DTa question2131NNquestion .2132SENT. If2133INif I2134PPI read2135VVPread Wheaton2136NPWheaton ,2137,, Wheaton2138NPWheaton says2139VVZsay anything2140NNanything prepared2141VVNprepare by2142INby the2143DTthe judge2144NNjudge can2145MDcan 't2146RB't be2147VBbe copyrighted2148VVNcopyright .2149SENT. That2150DTthat includes2151VVZinclude headnotes2152NNSheadnote ,2153,, which2154WDTwhich are2155VBPbe comparable2156JJcomparable ,2157,, I2158PPI think2159VVPthink ,2160,, to2161TOto summaries2162NNSsummary that2163WDTthat might2164MDmight be2165VBbe included2166VVNinclude in2167INin these2168DTthese annotations2169NNSannotation because2170INbecause it2171PPit 's2172VBZbe prepared2173VVNprepare by2174INby the2175DTthe judge2176NNjudge .2177SENT. It2178PPit remands2179VVZremand to2180TOto see2181VVsee if2182INif Wheaton2183NPWheaton was2184VBDbe not2185RBnot an2186DTan independent2187JJindependent contractor2188NNcontractor and2189CCand ...2190:... was2191VBDbe an2192DTan independent2193JJindependent contractor2194NNcontractor and2195CCand actually2196RBactually sought2197VVDseek the2198DTthe copyright2199NNcopyright .2200SENT. Banks2201NNSbank says2202VVZsay ,2203,, if2204INif ...2205:... if2206INif you2207PPyou are2208VBPbe a2209DTa separate2210JJseparate entity2211NNentity ,2212,, you2213PPyou can2214MDcan do2215VVdo this2216DTthis ,2217,, but2218CCbut this2219DTthis is2220VBZbe a2221DTa work-for-hire2222NNwork-for-hire .2223SENT. And2224CCand I2225PPI go2226VVPgo back2227RBback to2228TOto what2229WPwhat Justice2230NPJustice Gorsuch2231NPGorsuch was2232VBDbe asking2233VVGask you2234PPyou .2235SENT. The2236DTthe state2237NNstate is2238VBZbe the2239DTthe one2240CDone who2241WPwho 's2242VBZbe requiring2243VVGrequire this2244DTthis to2245TOto be2246VBbe done2247VVNdo .2248SENT. It2249PPit reviews2250VVZreview it2251PPit .2252SENT. It2253PPit approves2254VVZapprove it2255PPit .2256SENT. It2257PPit is2258VBZbe setting2259VVGset it2260PPit out2261RPout there2262RBthere as2263INas a2264DTa merged2265JJmerged document2266NNdocument with2267INwith the2268DTthe actual2269JJactual laws2270NNSlaw .2271SENT. It2272PPit may2273MDmay have2274VHhave ...2275:... merger2276NNmerger does2277VVZdo n't2278RBn't mean2279VVmean it2280PPit 's2281POS's actual2282JJactual law2283NNlaw ,2284,, but2285CCbut neither2286RBneither are2287VBPbe headnotes2288NNSheadnote actual2289JJactual law2290NNlaw .2291SENT. Dicta2292NPDicta is2293VBZbe not2294RBnot actual2295JJactual law2296NNlaw .2297SENT. And2298CCand no2299DTno one2300CDone 's2301VBZbe arguing2302VVGargue ...2303:... you2304PPyou 're2305VBPbe not2306RBnot arguing2307VVGargue under2308INunder Banks2309NNSbank or2310CCor any2311DTany of2312INof the2313DTthe other2314JJother cases2315NNScase that2316IN/thatthat the2317DTthe state2318NNstate could2319MDcould n't2320RBn't put2321VVput a2322DTa copyright2323NNcopyright in2324INin headnotes2325NNSheadnote it2326PPit prepares2327VVZprepare or2328CCor in2329INin the2330DTthe dicta2331NNdicta in2332INin its2333PP$its judicial2334JJjudicial opinions2335NNSopinion .2336SENT. So2337RBso why2338WRBwhy is2339VBZbe n't2340RBn't authorship2341NNauthorship really2342RBreally the2343DTthe most2344RBSmost important2345JJimportant factor2346NNfactor ?2347SENT? [MR. JOHNSON]2348LOC[MR. JOHNSON] I2349PPI think2350VVPthink we2351PPwe ...2352:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]2353LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] And2354CCand if2355INif it2356PPit 's2357VBZbe going2358VVGgo to2359TOto explain2360VVexplain the2361DTthe law2362NNlaw ,2363,, either2364CCeither by2365INby reference2366NNreference to2367TOto comments2368NNScomment or2369CCor by2370INby reference2371NNreference to2372TOto cases2373NNScase that2374WDTthat reflect2375VVPreflect its2376PP$its intent2377NNintent ,2378,, is2379VBZbe n't2380RBn't that2381IN/thatthat an2382DTan explanation2383NNexplanation ,2384,, an2385DTan official2386JJofficial explanation2387NNexplanation of2388INof the2389DTthe law2390NNlaw ?2391SENT? [MR. JOHNSON]2392LOC[MR. JOHNSON] So2393INso I2394PPI think2395VVPthink we2396PPwe win2397VVwin if2398INif authorship2399NNauthorship is2400VBZbe the2401DTthe standard2402NNstandard .2403SENT. And2404CCand I2405PPI think2406VVPthink that2407IN/thatthat that2408DTthat 's2409VBZbe basically2410RBbasically the2411DTthe United2412NPUnited States2413NPSStates '2414POS' test2415NNtest .2416SENT. And2417CCand the2418DTthe United2419NPUnited States2420NPStates agrees2421VVZagree that2422IN/thatthat we2423PPwe win2424VVPwin under2425INunder that2426DTthat standard2427NNstandard .2428SENT. And2429CCand on2430INon the2431DTthe question2432NNquestion of2433INof what2434WPwhat are2435VBPbe the2436DTthe ...2437:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]2438LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] No2439RBno ,2440,, it2441PPit does2442VVZdo n't2443RBn't ,2444,, because2445INbecause it2446PPit sort2447NNsort of2448INof limits2449NNSlimit it2450PPit .2451SENT. It2452PPit thinks2453VVZthink that2454IN/thatthat it2455PPit 's2456VBZbe not2457RBnot official2458JJofficial in2459INin some2460DTsome sort2461NNsort of2462INof unway2463NNunway .2464SENT. Even2465RBeven though2466INthough it2467PPit 's2468VBZbe approved2469VVNapprove by2470INby the2471DTthe legislature2472NNlegislature ,2473,, it2474PPit 's2475VBZbe ...2476:... it2477PPit 's2478VBZbe merged2479VVNmerge by2480INby its2481PP$its very2482JJvery terms2483NNSterm .2484SENT. It2485PPit 's2486VBZbe a2487DTa contract-for-hire2488NNcontract-for-hire ,2489,, which2490WDTwhich means2491VVZmean you2492PPyou treat2493VVtreat it2494PPit like2495INlike an2496DTan employee2497NNemployee .2498SENT. If2499INif a2500DTa law2501NNlaw clerk2502NNclerk prepares2503VVZprepare my2504PP$my headnotes2505NNSheadnote or2506CCor my2507PP$my summaries2508NNSsummary ,2509,, I2510PPI do2511VVPdo n't2512RBn't think2513VVthink I2514PPI can2515MDcan get2516VVget a2517DTa copy2518NNcopy ...2519:... he2520PPhe or2521CCor she2522PPshe can2523MDcan get2524VVget a2525DTa copyright2526NNcopyright in2527INin it2528PPit .2529SENT. I2530PPI do2531VVPdo n't2532RBn't think2533VVthink I2534PPI can2535MDcan get2536VVget a2537DTa copyright2538NNcopyright in2539INin it2540PPit even2541RBeven as2542INas a2543DTa work-for-hire2544NNwork-for-hire .2545SENT. [MR. JOHNSON]2546LOC[MR. JOHNSON] Well2547UHWell ,2548,, I2549PPI ...2550:... I2551PPI think2552VVPthink that2553IN/thatthat the2554DTthe answer2555NNanswer can2556MDcan 't2557RB't be2558VBbe that2559IN/thatthat the2560DTthe fact2561NNfact that2562IN/thatthat this2563DTthis is2564VBZbe an2565DTan official2566JJofficial document2567NNdocument makes2568VVZmake a2569DTa difference2570NNdifference for2571INfor copyright2572NNcopyright purposes2573NNSpurpose under2574INunder Wheaton2575NPWheaton and2576CCand Callaghan2577NPCallaghan .2578SENT. Again2579RBagain ,2580,, those2581DTthose were2582VBDbe official2583JJofficial reporters2584NNSreporter .2585SENT. And2586CCand if2587INif the2588DTthe officialness2589NNofficialness of2590INof the2591DTthe document2592NNdocument renders2593VVZrender it2594PPit uncopyrightable2595JJuncopyrightable ,2596,, then2597RBthen almost2598RBalmost ...2599:... I2600PPI mean2601VVPmean ,2602,, all2603DTall state2604NNstate government2605NNgovernment documents2606NNSdocument in2607INin some2608DTsome way2609NNway are2610VBPbe official2611JJofficial .2612SENT. They2613PPthey come2614VVPcome from2615INfrom the2616DTthe state2617NNstate government2618NNgovernment .2619SENT. But2620CCbut the2621DTthe one2622CDone thing2623NNthing that2624IN/thatthat we2625PPwe know2626VVPknow is2627VBZbe that2628IN/thatthat Congress2629NPCongress made2630VVDmake the2631DTthe policy2632NNpolicy determination2633NNdetermination to2634TOto allow2635VVallow state2636NNstate governments2637NNSgovernment to2638TOto have2639VHhave copyright2640NNcopyright .2641SENT. And2642CCand it2643PPit 's2644VBZbe important2645JJimportant to2646TOto emphasize2647VVemphasize that2648IN/thatthat Congress2649NPCongress did2650VVDdo this2651DTthis with2652INwith a2653DTa 19592654CD@card@ study2655NNstudy and2656CCand 19612657CD@card@ report2658NNreport in2659INin front2660NNfront of2661INof it2662PPit saying2663VVGsay that2664IN/thatthat annotations2665NNSannotation by2666INby state2667NNstate government2668NNgovernment employees2669NNSemployee are2670VBPbe copyrightable2671JJcopyrightable under2672INunder current2673JJcurrent law2674NNlaw .2675SENT. [JUSTICE KAGAN]2676LOC[JUSTICE KAGAN] Mr2677NPMr .2678SENT. Johnson2679NPJohnson ,2680,, why2681WRBwhy does2682VVZdo Georgia2683NPGeorgia have2684VHPhave an2685DTan official2686NNofficial annotated2687VVDannotate code2688NNcode ?2689SENT? Why2690WRBwhy not2691RBnot just2692RBjust an2693DTan official2694JJofficial code2695NNcode ?2696SENT? [MR. JOHNSON]2697LOC[MR. JOHNSON] I2698PPI think2699VVPthink it2700PPit 's2701VBZbe for2702INfor the2703DTthe benefit2704NNbenefit of2705INof readers2706NNSreader so2707RBso that2708IN/thatthat those2709DTthose finding2710VVGfind aids2711NNSaid are2712VBPbe present2713JJpresent .2714SENT. And2715CCand I2716PPI think2717VVPthink the2718DTthe reason2719NNreason why2720WRBwhy they2721PPthey made2722VVDmake it2723PPit official2724NNofficial is2725VBZbe because2726INbecause they2727PPthey wanted2728VVDwant to2729TOto have2730VHhave an2731DTan annotated2732VVNannotate version2733NNversion subject2734JJsubject to2735TOto a2736DTa price2737NNprice cap2738NNcap so2739RBso that2740IN/thatthat it2741PPit would2742MDwould be2743VBbe available2744JJavailable to2745TOto people2746NNSpeople at2747INat a2748DTa relatively2749RBrelatively low2750JJlow price2751NNprice .2752SENT. [JUSTICE BREYER]2753LOC[JUSTICE BREYER] Probably2754RBprobably governmental2755JJgovernmental ...2756:... look2757VVlook ,2758,, I2759PPI mean2760VVPmean ,2761,, I2762PPI thought2763VVDthink this2764DTthis is2765VBZbe n't2766RBn't that2767DTthat difficult2768JJdifficult .2769SENT. If2770INif a2771DTa judge2772NNjudge does2773VVZdo something2774NNsomething in2775INin his2776PP$his judicial2777JJjudicial capacity2778NNcapacity ,2779,, it2780PPit is2781VBZbe not2782RBnot copyrightable2783JJcopyrightable .2784SENT. If2785INif a2786DTa legislator2787NNlegislator does2788VVZdo something2789NNsomething or2790CCor a2791DTa group2792NNgroup of2793INof legislators2794NNSlegislator in2795INin their2796PP$their legislative2797JJlegislative capacity2798NNcapacity ,2799,, it2800PPit is2801VBZbe not2802RBnot copyrightable2803JJcopyrightable .2804SENT. I2805PPI mean2806VVPmean ,2807,, who2808WPwho cares2809VVZcare who2810WPwho the2811DTthe author2812NNauthor is2813VBZbe ?2814SENT? There2815EXthere are2816VBPbe public2817JJpublic policy2818NNpolicy reasons2819NNSreason that2820WDTthat have2821VHPhave existed2822VVNexist forever2823RBforever in2824INin the2825DTthe law2826NNlaw that2827IN/thatthat you2828PPyou make2829VVPmake those2830DTthose two2831CDtwo things2832NNSthing not2833RBnot copyrightable2834JJcopyrightable .2835SENT. The2836DTthe executive2837NNexecutive is2838VBZbe harder2839JJRhard to2840TOto separate2841VVseparate out2842RPout ,2843,, but2844CCbut you2845PPyou could2846MDcould do2847VVdo it2848PPit .2849SENT. Now2850RBnow that2851RBthat ,2852,, I2853PPI think2854VVPthink ,2855,, is2856VBZbe basically2857RBbasically the2858DTthe SG2859NPSG 's2860POS's position2861NNposition .2862SENT. If2863INif it2864PPit 's2865VBZbe not2866RBnot in2867INin their2868PP$their official2869JJofficial capacity2870NNcapacity ,2871,, if2872INif it2873PPit 's2874VBZbe simply2875RBsimply a2876DTa summary2877NNsummary or2878CCor it2879PPit 's2880VBZbe a2881DTa comment2882NNcomment upon2883INupon something2884NNsomething done2885VVNdo in2886INin an2887DTan official2888JJofficial capacity2889NNcapacity ,2890,, it2891PPit is2892VBZbe copyrightable2893JJcopyrightable ,2894,, even2895RBeven though2896RBthough it2897PPit be2898VBbe done2899VVNdo by2900INby a2901DTa sworn2902JJsworn public2903JJpublic servant2904NNservant ,2905,, all2906DTall right2907NNright ?2908SENT? There2909RBthere we2910PPwe are2911VBPbe .2912SENT. I2913PPI think2914VVPthink that2915WDTthat 's2916VBZbe roughly2917RBroughly the2918DTthe SG2919NPSG 's2920POS's position2921NNposition .2922SENT. When2923WRBwhen I2924PPI read2925VVPread that2926IN/thatthat ,2927,, seemed2928VVDseem pretty2929RBpretty sensible2930JJsensible to2931TOto me2932PPme and2933CCand consistent2934JJconsistent with2935INwith the2936DTthe precedents2937NNSprecedent .2938SENT. You2939PPyou have2940VHPhave a2941DTa somewhat2942RBsomewhat different2943JJdifferent position2944NNposition .2945SENT. 22946CD2 So2947RBso I2948PPI guess2949VVPguess my2950PP$my question2951NNquestion is2952VBZbe ,2953,, is2954VBZbe their2955PP$their position2956NNposition ,2957,, at2958INat least2959JJSleast as2960INas I2961PPI understand2962VVPunderstand it2963PPit ,2964,, acceptable2965JJacceptable to2966TOto you2967PPyou ?2968SENT? [MR. JOHNSON]2969LOC[MR. JOHNSON] The2970NPThe SG2971NPSG 's2972POS's position2973NNposition is2974VBZbe acceptable2975JJacceptable to2976TOto us2977PPus and2978CCand we2979PPwe win2980VVPwin under2981INunder that2982DTthat standard2983NNstandard .2984SENT. Perhaps2985RBperhaps it2986PPit would2987MDwould be2988VBbe helpful2989JJhelpful for2990INfor me2991PPme to2992TOto explain2993VVexplain quickly2994RBquickly why2995WRBwhy we2996PPwe do2997VVPdo win2998VVwin under2999INunder that3000DTthat standard3001NNstandard .3002SENT. So3003INso the3004DTthe Lexis3005NPLexis and3006CCand the3007DTthe Code3008NPCode Revision3009NPRevision Commission3010NPCommission are3011VBPbe not3012RBnot acting3013VVGact in3014INin a3015DTa law-making3016NNlaw-making capacity3017NNcapacity when3018WRBwhen making3019VVGmake these3020DTthese annotations3021NNSannotation .3022SENT. [CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS]3023LOC[CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS] Thank3024VVthank you3025PPyou ,3026,, counsel3027NNcounsel .3028SENT. Mr3029NPMr .3030SENT. Yang3031NPYang .3032SENT.

[MR. YANG]3033LOC[MR. YANG] Mr3034NPMr .3035SENT. Chief3036NPChief Justice3037NPJustice ,3038,, and3039CCand may3040MDmay it3041PPit please3042VVplease the3043DTthe Court3044NPCourt :3045:: This3046DTthis Court3047NPCourt in3048INin Banks3049NPSBanks determined3050VVDdetermine that3051IN/thatthat there3052EXthere was3053VBDbe consensus3054NNconsensus that3055IN/thatthat no3056DTno copyright3057NNcopyright exists3058VVZexist in3059INin a3060DTa work3061NNwork by3062INby "3063``" judicial3064JJjudicial officers3065NNSofficer in3066INin the3067DTthe discharge3068NNdischarge of3069INof their3070PP$their judicial3071JJjudicial duties3072NNSduty .3073SENT. "3074''" Banks3075NNSbank then3076RBthen held3077VVDhold that3078IN/thatthat a3079DTa judge3080NNjudge who3081WPwho in3082INin his3083PP$his judicial3084JJjudicial capacity3085NNcapacity prepares3086VVZprepare an3087DTan opinion3088NNopinion or3089CCor decisions3090NNSdecision and3091CCand other3092JJother materials3093NNSmaterial is3094VBZbe not3095RBnot regarded3096VVNregard as3097INas the3098DTthe author3099NNauthor within3100INwithin the3101DTthe meaning3102NNmeaning of3103INof the3104DTthe copyright3105NNcopyright statute3106NNstatute .3107SENT. Those3108DTthose principles3109NNSprinciple from3110INfrom the3111DTthe judicial3112JJjudicial context3113NNcontext also3114RBalso apply3115VVapply in3116INin the3117DTthe law-making3118NNlaw-making context3119NNcontext .3120SENT. So3121RBso ,3122,, if3123INif a3124DTa lawmaker3125NNlawmaker acts3126VVZact in3127INin his3128PP$his capacity3129NNcapacity as3130INas a3131DTa lawmaker3132NNlawmaker and3133CCand creates3134VVZcreate a3135DTa work3136NNwork in3137INin the3138DTthe discharge3139NNdischarge of3140INof his3141PP$his law-making3142NNlaw-making duties3143NNSduty that3144WDTthat is3145VBZbe within3146INwithin the3147DTthe process3148NNprocess for3149INfor creating3150VVGcreate law3151NNlaw ,3152,, no3153DTno copyright3154NNcopyright exists3155VVZexist .3156SENT. Now3157RBnow ,3158,, in3159INin this3160DTthis case3161NNcase ,3162,, this3163DTthis case3164NNcase is3165VBZbe going3166VVGgo to3167TOto be3168VBbe controlled3169VVNcontrol ,3170,, however3171RBhowever ,3172,, by3173INby Callaghan3174NPCallaghan .3175SENT. Callaghan3176NPCallaghan upheld3177VVDuphold a3178DTa copyright3179NNcopyright in3180INin annotations3181NNSannotation to3182TOto judicial3183JJjudicial decisions3184NNSdecision by3185INby an3186DTan official3187JJofficial court3188NNcourt reporter3189NNreporter ,3190,, a3191DTa salaried3192JJsalaried public3193JJpublic officer3194NNofficer of3195INof the3196DTthe court3197NNcourt ,3198,, who3199WPwho was3200VBDbe appointed3201VVNappoint and3202CCand removable3203JJremovable by3204INby the3205DTthe court3206NNcourt .3207SENT. Such3208JJsuch annotations3209NNSannotation are3210VBPbe written3211VVNwrite after3212INafter the3213DTthe fact3214NNfact as3215INas an3216DTan attempt3217NNattempt to3218TOto accurately3219RBaccurately describe3220VVdescribe or3221CCor provide3222VVprovide context3223NNcontext for3224INfor the3225DTthe underlying3226VVGunderlie source3227NNsource that3228WDTthat ...3229:... [JUSTICE KAGAN]3230LOC[JUSTICE KAGAN] Mr3231NPMr .3232SENT. Yang3233NPYang ...3234:... I3235PPI 'm3236VBPbe sorry3237JJsorry .3238SENT. Finish3239VVfinish your3240PP$your sentence3241NNsentence .3242SENT. [MR. YANG]3243LOC[MR. YANG] Well3244UHwell ,3245,, I3246PPI was3247VBDbe just3248RBjust going3249VVGgo to3250TOto say3251VVsay that3252IN/thatthat the3253DTthe ...3254:... the3255DTthe annotations3256NNSannotation here3257RBhere are3258VBPbe research3259NNresearch aids3260NNSaid .3261SENT. They3262PPthey are3263VBPbe created3264VVNcreate after3265INafter the3266DTthe fact3267NNfact .3268SENT. They3269PPthey provide3270VVPprovide a3271DTa comprehensive3272JJcomprehensive ,3273,, not3274RBnot a3275DTa selective3276JJselective selection3277NNselection of3278INof materials3279NNSmaterial related3280VVNrelate to3281TOto the3282DTthe statutes3283NNSstatute .3284SENT. There3285EXthere 's3286VBZbe no3287DTno approval3288NNapproval for3289INfor the3290DTthe substance3291NNsubstance .3292SENT. And3293CCand ,3294,, in3295INin fact3296NNfact ,3297,, the3298DTthe context3299NNcontext is3300VBZbe easier3301JJReasy than3302INthan Callaghan3303NPCallaghan because3304INbecause it3305PPit 's3306VBZbe made3307VVNmake by3308INby a3309DTa ...3310:... [JUSTICE KAGAN]3311LOC[JUSTICE KAGAN] Do3312VVPdo n't3313RBn't finish3314VVfinish it3315PPit that3316IN/thatthat far3317RBfar .3318SENT. [3319SYM[ LAUGHTER3320NNlaughter ]3321SYM] [MR. YANG]3322LOC[MR. YANG] Okay3323NPOkay .3324SENT. All3325DTall right3326NNright .3327SENT. I3328PPI 'm3329VBPbe happy3330JJhappy to3331TOto stop3332VVstop .3333SENT. [JUSTICE KAGAN]3334LOC[JUSTICE KAGAN] I'm3335NPI'm ...3336:... I3337PPI 'm3338VBPbe glad3339JJglad I3340PPI asked3341VVDask you3342PPyou to3343TOto finish3344VVfinish it3345PPit because3346INbecause if3347INif ...3348:... I3349PPI mean3350VVPmean ,3351,, you3352PPyou stressed3353VVDstress that3354IN/thatthat the3355DTthe Commission3356NPCommission does3357VVZdo n't3358RBn't do3359VVdo anything3360NNanything with3361INwith respect3362NNrespect to3363TOto these3364DTthese annotations3365NNSannotation .3366SENT. Suppose3367VVsuppose the3368DTthe Commission3369NPCommission did3370VVDdo do3371VVdo something3372NNsomething with3373INwith respect3374NNrespect to3375TOto these3376DTthese annotations3377NNSannotation .3378SENT. They3379PPthey did3380VVDdo n't3381RBn't write3382VVwrite them3383PPthem themselves3384PPthemselves ,3385,, but3386CCbut they3387PPthey supervised3388VVDsupervise the3389DTthe process3390NNprocess carefully3391RBcarefully .3392SENT. They3393PPthey were3394VBDbe ...3395:... they3396PPthey ...3397:... they3398PPthey imposed3399VVDimpose some3400DTsome kind3401NNkind of3402INof editorial3403JJeditorial standards3404NNSstandard .3405SENT. What3406WPWhat then3407RBthen ?3408SENT? [MR. YANG]3409LOC[MR. YANG] I3410PPI do3411VVPdo n't3412RBn't know3413VVknow that3414IN/thatthat that3415WDTthat would3416MDwould make3417VVmake a3418DTa difference3419NNdifference to3420TOto the3421DTthe bottom3422JJbottom line3423NNline .3424SENT. Our3425PP$our understanding3426NNunderstanding of3427INof the3428DTthe test3429NNtest that3430WDTthat draws3431VVZdraw from3432INfrom Banks3433NNSbank is3434VBZbe that3435IN/thatthat when3436WRBwhen a3437DTa lawmaker3438NNlawmaker acts3439VVZact in3440INin his3441PP$his capacity3442NNcapacity as3443INas a3444DTa lawmaker3445NNlawmaker in3446INin the3447DTthe discharge3448NNdischarge of3449INof law-making3450NNlaw-making duties3451NNSduty ...3452:... [JUSTICE KAGAN]3453LOC[JUSTICE KAGAN] Are3454VBPbe you3455PPyou saying3456VVGsay that3457IN/thatthat the3458DTthe Commission3459NPCommission just3460RBjust does3461VVZdo n't3462RBn't count3463VVcount as3464INas a3465DTa lawmaker3466NNlawmaker ?3467SENT? Is3468VBZbe that3469DTthat ...3470:... [MR. YANG]3471LOC[MR. YANG] Well3472UHWell ,3473,, and3474CCand they3475PPthey 're3476VBPbe not3477RBnot discharging3478VVGdischarge lawmaking3479JJlawmaking duties3480NNSduty ,3481,, yes3482UHyes ,3483,, because3484INbecause the3485DTthe Commission3486NPCommission is3487VBZbe composed3488VVNcompose of3489INof 153490CD@card@ individuals3491NNSindividual ,3492,, five3493CDfive of3494INof which3495WDTwhich are3496VBPbe not3497RBnot even3498RBeven in3499INin the3500DTthe legislative3501JJlegislative process3502NNprocess .3503SENT. In3504INin Harrison3505NPHarrison ,3506,, the3507DTthe Supreme3508NPSupreme Court3509NPCourt of3510INof Georgia3511NPGeorgia recognized3512VVDrecognize that3513IN/thatthat those3514DTthose non-legislative3515JJnon-legislative people3516NNSpeople could3517MDcould actually3518RBactually make3519VVmake the3520DTthe difference3521NNdifference in3522INin any3523DTany kind3524NNkind of3525INof decision3526NNdecision .3527SENT. So3528RBso it3529PPit 's3530VBZbe ...3531:... [JUSTICE KAGAN]3532LOC[JUSTICE KAGAN] So3533RBso ...3534:... so3535RBso ...3536:... but3537CCbut the3538DTthe legislature3539NNlegislature sets3540VVZset up3541RPup this3542DTthis Commission3543NPCommission and3544CCand puts3545VVZput a3546DTa bunch3547NNbunch of3548INof its3549PP$its members3550NNSmember on3551INon this3552DTthis Commission3553NPCommission .3554SENT. [MR. YANG]3555LOC[MR. YANG] Yep3556NPYep .3557SENT. [JUSTICE KAGAN]3558LOC[JUSTICE KAGAN] And3559CCand let3560VVlet 's3561VBZbe say3562VVsay ,3563,, in3564INin my3565PP$my hypothetical3566JJhypothetical world3567NNworld ,3568,, this3569DTthis Commission3570NPCommission actually3571RBactually takes3572VVZtake its3573PP$its job3574NNjob seriously3575RBseriously and3576CCand imposes3577VVZimpose some3578DTsome editorial3579JJeditorial standards3580NNSstandard for3581INfor what3582WPwhat will3583MDwill and3584CCand will3585MDwill not3586RBnot go3587VVgo into3588INinto the3589DTthe annotation3590NNannotation .3591SENT. Still3592RBstill ...3593:... [MR. YANG]3594LOC[MR. YANG] Same3595JJsame result3596NNresult and3597CCand ...3598:... but3599CCbut it3600PPit 's3601VBZbe also3602RBalso in3603INin the3604DTthe context3605NNcontext of3606INof the3607DTthe rest3608NNrest of3609INof this3610DTthis case3611NNcase ,3612,, Section3613NPSection 1-1-13614CD@card@ .3615SENT. The3616DTthe statutory3617JJstatutory portion3618NNportion of3619INof the3620DTthe ...3621:... the3622DTthe ...3623:... what3624WPwhat 's3625VBZbe produced3626VVNproduce by3627INby Lexis3628NPLexis in3629INin the3630DTthe ...3631:... and3632CCand the3633DTthe Commission3634NPCommission is3635VBZbe enacted3636VVNenact as3637INas statute3638NNstatute .3639SENT. But3640CCbut Section3641NPSection 1-1-73642NP@card@ explains3643VVZexplain that3644IN/thatthat the3645DTthe notes3646NNSnote ,3647,, the3648DTthe annotations3649NNSannotation and3650CCand the3651DTthe other3652JJother things3653NNSthing ,3654,, are3655VBPbe for3656INfor convenient3657JJconvenient reference3658NNreference and3659CCand do3660VVPdo not3661RBnot constitute3662VVconstitute the3663DTthe law3664NNlaw .3665SENT. Every3666DTevery year3667NNyear they3668PPthey enact3669VVPenact this3670DTthis .3671SENT. And3672CCand there3673EXthere 's3674VBZbe a3675DTa good3676JJgood example3677NNexample .3678SENT. [JUSTICE KAGAN]3679LOC[JUSTICE KAGAN] Well3680UHWell ,3681,, the3682DTthe people3683NNSpeople look3684VVPlook at3685INat the3686DTthe annotations3687NNSannotation pretty3688RBpretty carefully3689RBcarefully as3690INas guides3691NNSguide to3692TOto what3693WPwhat that3694DTthat law3695NNlaw is3696VBZbe all3697RBall about3698RBabout .3699SENT. [MR. YANG]3700LOC[MR. YANG] Well3701UHWell ,3702,, if3703INif they3704PPthey looked3705VVDlook at3706INat the3707DTthe annotations3708NNSannotation ...3709:... [JUSTICE KAGAN]3710LOC[JUSTICE KAGAN] And3711CCand if3712INif the3713DTthe Commission3714NPCommission is3715VBZbe basically3716RBbasically involved3717VVNinvolve in3718INin ...3719:... in3720INin what3721WPwhat should3722MDshould be3723VBbe in3724INin and3725CCand what3726WPwhat should3727MDshould n't3728RBn't be3729VBbe in3730INin to3731TOto explain3732VVexplain to3733TOto people3734NNSpeople what3735WPwhat the3736DTthe law3737NNlaw means3738VVZmean ,3739,, why3740WRBwhy would3741MDwould that3742RBthat be3743VBbe copyrightable3744JJcopyrightable ?3745SENT? [MR. YANG]3746LOC[MR. YANG] I3747PPI do3748VVPdo n't3749RBn't think3750VVthink they3751PPthey 're3752VBPbe actually3753RBactually explaining3754VVGexplain what3755WPwhat the3756DTthe law3757NNlaw means3758VVZmean .3759SENT. They3760PPthey 're3761VBPbe describing3762VVGdescribe what3763WPwhat other3764JJother ...3765:... this3766DTthis is3767VBZbe better3768JJRgood than3769INthan Callaghan3770NPCallaghan because3771INbecause ,3772,, in3773INin Callaghan3774NPCallaghan ,3775,, the3776DTthe reporter3777NNreporter was3778VBDbe at3779INat least3780JJSleast superintended3781VVNsuperintend by3782INby the3783DTthe court3784NNcourt ,3785,, right3786RBright ?3787SENT? Could3788MDcould have3789VHhave been3790VBNbe removed3791VVNremove by3792INby the3793DTthe court3794NNcourt ,3795,, was3796VBDbe hired3797VVNhire by3798INby the3799DTthe court3800NNcourt ,3801,, appointed3802VVNappoint by3803INby the3804DTthe court3805NNcourt .3806SENT. Here3807RBhere ,3808,, they3809PPthey 're3810VBPbe describing3811VVGdescribe what3812WPwhat third3813JJthird parties3814NNSparty do3815VVPdo ,3816,, what3817WDTwhat courts3818NNScourt do3819VVPdo .3820SENT. To3821TOTo the3822DTthe extent3823NNextent there3824EXthere 's3825VBZbe any3826DTany relationship3827NNrelationship ,3828,, it3829PPit 's3830VBZbe only3831RBonly with3832INwith the3833DTthe legislature3834NNlegislature ,3835,, and3836CCand even3837RBeven there3838RBthere it3839PPit 's3840VBZbe attenuated3841VVNattenuate .3842SENT. [JUSTICE KAGAN]3843LOC[JUSTICE KAGAN] So3844INso you3845PPyou think3846VVPthink even3847RBeven if3848INif the3849DTthe Commission3850NPCommission actually3851RBactually wrote3852VVDwrite the3853DTthe annotations3854NNSannotation ,3855,, it3856PPit would3857MDwould still3858RBstill ...3859:... [MR. YANG]3860LOC[MR. YANG] That3861DTthat 's3862VBZbe right3863JJright ,3864,, because3865RBbecause ...3866:... and3867CCand look3868VVlook what3869WPwhat the3870DTthe annotations3871NNSannotation are3872VBPbe .3873SENT. Under3874INunder this3875DTthis contract3876NNcontract ,3877,, they3878PPthey are3879VBPbe intended3880VVNintend to3881TOto be3882VBbe comprehensive3883JJcomprehensive .3884SENT. They3885PPthey do3886VVPdo n't3887RBn't say3888VVsay this3889DTthis is3890VBZbe a3891DTa good3892JJgood opinion3893NNopinion ,3894,, this3895DTthis is3896VBZbe right3897RBright ,3898,, this3899DTthis is3900VBZbe wrong3901JJwrong .3902SENT. They3903PPthey just3904RBjust want3905VVPwant to3906TOto cover3907VVcover the3908DTthe waterfront3909NNwaterfront ,3910,, right3911NNright or3912CCor wrong3913JJwrong ,3914,, accurately3915RBaccurately describe3916VVdescribe the3917DTthe judicial3918JJjudicial sources3919NNSsource that3920WDTthat are3921VBPbe out3922RBout there3923RBthere ,3924,, the3925DTthe attorney3926NNattorney general3927NNgeneral 's3928POS's opinions3929NNSopinion ,3930,, law3931NNlaw reviews3932NNSreview ,3933,, other3934JJother types3935NNStype of3936INof secondary3937JJsecondary ALRs3938NNALRs ,3939,, these3940DTthese types3941NNStype of3942INof things3943NNSthing .3944SENT. It3945PPit ...3946:... it3947PPit 's3948VBZbe finding3949VVGfind ...3950:... [JUSTICE GORSUCH]3951LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] Would3952MDwould it3953PPit make3954VVmake a3955DTa difference3956NNdifference if3957INif ...3958:... if3959INif ,3960,, instead3961RBinstead of3962INof the3963DTthe Commission3964NPCommission ,3965,, it3966PPit were3967VBDbe done3968VVNdo by3969INby the3970DTthe legislature3971NNlegislature itself3972PPitself ?3973SENT? [MR. YANG]3974LOC[MR. YANG] You3975PPyou know3976VVPknow ,3977,, I3978PPI think3979VVPthink that3980IN/thatthat would3981MDwould be3982VBbe a3983DTa little3984RBlittle more3985RBRmore complicated3986JJcomplicated .3987SENT. [JUSTICE GORSUCH]3988LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] But3989CCbut all3990RBall they3991PPthey do3992VVPdo is3993VBZbe ...3994:... is3995VBZbe describe3996VVdescribe what3997WPwhat judges3998NNSjudge do3999VVPdo .4000SENT. [MR. YANG]4001LOC[MR. YANG] After4002INafter the4003DTthe ...4004:... [JUSTICE GORSUCH]4005LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] That4006DTthat 's4007VBZbe it4008PPit .4009SENT. [MR. YANG]4010LOC[MR. YANG] Oh4011UHoh ,4012,, no4013UHno ,4014,, I4015PPI think4016VVPthink that4017IN/thatthat would4018MDwould be4019VBbe the4020DTthe same4021JJsame .4022SENT. [JUSTICE GORSUCH]4023LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] Okay4024NPOkay .4025SENT. [MR. YANG]4026LOC[MR. YANG] I4027PPI ...4028:... I4029PPI think4030VVPthink you4031PPyou would4032MDwould ...4033:... [JUSTICE GORSUCH]4034LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] Let4035NPLet 's4036POS's say4037VVPsay it4038PPit was4039VBDbe adopted4040VVNadopt by4041INby the4042DTthe legislature4043NNlegislature too4044RBtoo ,4045,, and4046CCand let4047VVlet 's4048VBZbe say4049VVsay we4050PPwe put4051VVput the4052DTthe word4053NNword "4054``" official4055NNofficial "4056''" on4057INon it4058PPit for4059INfor whatever4060WDTwhatever good4061NNgood that4062WDTthat does4063VVZdo market4064NNmarket ...4065:... market4066NNmarket power-wise4067RBpower-wise .4068SENT. Then4069RBthen what4070WPwhat ?4071SENT? [MR. YANG]4072LOC[MR. YANG] Well4073UHWell ,4074,, if4075INif it4076PPit 's4077VBZbe done4078VVNdo as4079INas it4080PPit is4081VBZbe done4082VVNdo here4083RBhere ,4084,, which4085WDTwhich I4086PPI think4087VVPthink ,4088,, if4089INif you4090PPyou look4091VVPlook ,4092,, for4093INfor instance4094NNinstance ,4095,, in4096INin the4097DTthe Respondent4098NNrespondent 's4099POS's brief4100NNbrief at4101INat pages4102NNSpage 2a4103NP2a and4104CCand 3a4105NP3a ,4106,, the4107DTthe ...4108:... the4109DTthe ...4110:... it4111PPit 's4112VBZbe prepared4113VVNprepare ...4114:... it4115PPit says4116VVZsay the4117DTthe official4118JJofficial code4119NNcode ,4120,, I4121PPI mean4122VVPmean ,4123,, is4124VBZbe prepared4125VVNprepare by4126INby the4127DTthe Commission4128NPCommission ,4129,, legislative4130JJlegislative counsel4131NNcounsel ,4132,, and4133CCand Lexis4134NPLexis .4135SENT. And4136CCand then4137RBthen the4138DTthe next4139JJnext page4140NNpage over4141RBover ,4142,, it4143PPit says4144VVZsay the4145DTthe statutory4146JJstatutory portion4147NNportion is4148VBZbe a4149DTa true4150JJtrue and4151CCand correct4152JJcorrect copy4153NNcopy .4154SENT. It4155PPit 's4156VBZbe certified4157VVNcertify .4158SENT. What4159WPWhat 's4160VBZbe official4161JJofficial ,4162,, what4163WPwhat 's4164VBZbe certified4165VVNcertify as4166INas correct4167JJcorrect ,4168,, is4169VBZbe the4170DTthe text4171NNtext of4172INof the4173DTthe statute4174NNstatute .4175SENT. [JUSTICE GORSUCH]4176LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] All4177DTall right4178NNright .4179SENT. [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]4180LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] Is4181VBZbe n't4182RBn't a4183DTa different4184JJdifferent ...4185:... [JUSTICE GORSUCH]4186LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] Nice4187NPNice evasion4188NNevasion ,4189,, but4190CCbut if4191INif we4192PPwe could4193MDcould just4194RBjust answer4195VVanswer the4196DTthe question4197NNquestion ...4198:... [4199SYM[ LAUGHTER4200NNlaughter ]4201SYM] [MR. YANG]4202LOC[MR. YANG] No4203UHNo ,4204,, no4205UHno ,4206,, I4207PPI ...4208:... but4209CCbut I4210PPI do4211VVPdo n't4212RBn't think4213VVthink ...4214:... [JUSTICE GORSUCH]4215LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] ...4216:... I4217PPI 'd4218MDwould be4219VBbe grateful4220JJgrateful .4221SENT. Let4222VVlet 's4223VBZbe say4224VVsay the4225DTthe legislature4226NNlegislature itself4227PPitself does4228VVZdo the4229DTthe reviewing4230VVGreview of4231INof all4232DTall of4233INof the4234DTthe judicial4235JJjudicial opinions4236NNSopinion and4237CCand then4238RBthen it4239PPit collects4240VVZcollect the4241DTthe ones4242NNSone and4243CCand then4244RBthen it4245PPit enacts4246VVZenact it4247PPit and4248CCand calls4249VVZcall it4250PPit official4251JJofficial or4252CCor not4253RBnot official4254JJofficial .4255SENT. You4256PPyou choose4257VVPchoose .4258SENT. I4259PPI do4260VVPdo n't4261RBn't care4262VVcare .4263SENT. Is4264VBZbe that4265IN/thatthat copyrightable4266JJcopyrightable ?4267SENT? [MR. YANG]4268LOC[MR. YANG] Yes4269NPYes ,4270,, if4271INif they4272PPthey are4273VBPbe doing4274VVGdo it4275PPit in4276INin the4277DTthe same4278JJsame way4279NNway ,4280,, which4281WDTwhich is4282VBZbe that4283IN/thatthat they4284PPthey 're4285VBPbe ...4286:... [JUSTICE GORSUCH]4287LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] Because4288INbecause it4289PPit 's4290VBZbe not4291RBnot ...4292:... [MR. YANG]4293LOC[MR. YANG] ...4294:... they4295PPthey 're4296VBPbe covering4297VVGcover the4298DTthe waterfront4299NNwaterfront .4300SENT. [JUSTICE GORSUCH]4301LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] ...4302:... in4303INin the4304DTthe same4305JJsame capacity4306NNcapacity ,4307,, right4308RBright ?4309SENT? I4310PPI mean4311VVPmean ,4312,, that4313WDTthat 's4314VBZbe what4315WPwhat it4316PPit comes4317VVZcome down4318RPdown to4319TOto .4320SENT. It4321PPit 's4322VBZbe not4323RBnot in4324INin its4325PP$its legislative4326JJlegislative capacity4327NNcapacity .4328SENT. It4329PPit 's4330VBZbe in4331INin some4332DTsome other4333JJother abstract4334JJabstract capacity4335NNcapacity in4336INin which4337WDTwhich a4338DTa legislature4339NNlegislature can4340MDcan act4341VVact .4342SENT. [MR. YANG]4343LOC[MR. YANG] That4344DTthat is4345VBZbe our4346PP$our understanding4347NNunderstanding as4348INas drawn4349VVNdraw from4350INfrom Banks4351NNSbank .4352SENT. [JUSTICE BREYER]4353LOC[JUSTICE BREYER] Then4354RBthen the4355DTthe answer4356NNanswer is4357VBZbe no4358UHno .4359SENT. Then4360RBthen the4361DTthe answer4362NNanswer is4363VBZbe no4364RBno to4365TOto his4366PP$his question4367NNquestion ,4368,, because4369INbecause the4370DTthe ...4371:... the4372DTthe whole4373JJwhole point4374NNpoint ,4375,, I4376PPI thought4377VVDthink ,4378,, is4379VBZbe that4380IN/thatthat you4381PPyou could4382MDcould very4383RBvery abstractly4384RBabstractly ,4385,, the4386DTthe no4387RBno explains4388VVZexplain it4389PPit ,4390,, I4391PPI do4392VVPdo ,4393,, says4394VVZsay the4395DTthe bride4396NNbride ,4397,, you4398PPyou can4399MDcan 't4400RB't copyright4401NNcopyright that4402RBthat .4403SENT. It4404PPit 's4405VBZbe being4406VBGbe used4407VVNuse as4408INas a4409DTa performative4410NNperformative .4411SENT. It4412PPit 's4413VBZbe not4414RBnot an4415DTan expression4416NNexpression .4417SENT. Now4418RBnow take4419VVtake that4420DTthat idea4421NNidea and4422CCand bring4423VVbring it4424PPit down4425RPdown to4426TOto the4427DTthe legislature4428NNlegislature and4429CCand making4430VVGmake laws4431NNSlaw .4432SENT. Where4433WRBwhere you4434PPyou have4435VHPhave some4436DTsome words4437NNSword on4438INon pieces4439NNSpiece of4440INof paper4441NNpaper and4442CCand they4443PPthey are4444VBPbe performing4445VVGperform a4446DTa function4447NNfunction that4448WDTthat is4449VBZbe a4450DTa legislative4451JJlegislative function4452NNfunction or4453CCor a4454DTa judicial4455JJjudicial function4456NNfunction ,4457,, no4458UHno ,4459,, it4460PPit 's4461VBZbe not4462RBnot solely4463RBsolely an4464DTan expression4465NNexpression ;4466:; it4467PPit 's4468VBZbe performing4469VVGperform a4470DTa function4471NNfunction ,4472,, and4473CCand we4474PPwe do4475VVPdo n't4476RBn't allow4477VVallow it4478PPit because4479INbecause to4480TOto let4481VVlet a4482DTa monopolist4483NNmonopolist get4484VVget ahold4485NNahold of4486INof that4487WDTthat is4488VBZbe dangerous4489JJdangerous .4490SENT. [MR. YANG]4491LOC[MR. YANG] Well4492UHwell ,4493,, I4494PPI do4495VVPdo n't4496RBn't think4497VVthink ...4498:... [JUSTICE BREYER]4499LOC[JUSTICE BREYER] And4500CCand that4501DTthat ...4502:... that4503WDTthat 's4504VBZbe ...4505:... that4506WDTthat 's4507VBZbe what4508WPwhat I4509PPI thought4510VVDthink that4511IN/thatthat the4512DTthe argument4513NNargument was4514VBDbe as4515INas I4516PPI got4517VVDget the4518DTthe entire4519JJentire brief4520NNbrief .4521SENT. [MR. YANG]4522LOC[MR. YANG] I4523PPI 'm4524VBPbe not4525RBnot sure4526RBsure there4527EXthere 's4528VBZbe any4529DTany disagreement4530NNdisagreement .4531SENT. What4532WPWhat I4533PPI intended4534VVDintend to4535TOto say4536VVsay was4537VBDbe that4538IN/thatthat the4539DTthe annotations4540NNSannotation would4541MDwould be4542VBbe copyrightable4543JJcopyrightable ;4544:; the4545DTthe statute4546NNstatute would4547MDwould not4548RBnot .4549SENT. If4550INif it4551PPit is4552VBZbe a4553DTa description4554NNdescription of4555INof what4556WPwhat other4557JJother parties4558NNSparty are4559VBPbe doing4560VVGdo ,4561,, there4562EXthere 's4563VBZbe no4564RBno particular4565JJparticular ...4566:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]4567LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] I4568PPI ...4569:... I4570PPI 'm4571VBPbe sorry4572JJsorry ,4573,, I4574PPI do4575VVPdo n't4576RBn't understand4577VVunderstand .4578SENT. I'm4579NNI'm ...4580:... now4581RBnow I4582PPI 'm4583VBPbe turned4584VVNturn between4585INbetween my4586PP$my two4587CDtwo colleagues4588NNScolleague .4589SENT. [MR. YANG]4590LOC[MR. YANG] Well4591UHWell ,4592,, maybe4593RBmaybe this4594DTthis will4595MDwill clarify4596VVclarify .4597SENT. [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]4598LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] Let4599VVDlet me4600PPme ...4601:... let4602VVlet me4603PPme clarify4604VVclarify ...4605:... let4606VVlet me4607PPme just4608RBjust get4609VVget to4610TOto something4611NNsomething very4612RBvery simple4613JJsimple ,4614,, okay4615JJokay ?4616SENT? Let4617VVlet 's4618VBZbe assume4619VVassume there4620EXthere are4621VBPbe some4622DTsome states4623NNSstate that4624WDTthat have4625VHPhave pro4626FWpro se4627FWse guidelines4628NNSguideline .4629SENT. To4630TOTo pro4631FWpro se4632FWse litigants4633NNSlitigant ,4634,, this4635DTthis is4636VBZbe how4637WRBhow you4638PPyou follow4639VVPfollow the4640DTthe law4641NNlaw .4642SENT. Could4643MDcould they4644PPthey copyright4645VVcopyright those4646DTthose and4647CCand ...4648:... and4649CCand charge4650NNcharge for4651INfor them4652PPthem and4653CCand preclude4654VVpreclude others4655NNSother from4656INfrom copying4657VVGcopy them4658PPthem and4659CCand disseminating4660VVGdisseminate them4661PPthem ?4662SENT? [MR. YANG]4663LOC[MR. YANG] If4664INif ,4665,, for4666INfor instance4667NNinstance ,4668,, this4669DTthis is4670VBZbe like4671INlike a4672DTa ...4673:... your4674PP$your ...4675:... it4676PPit 's4677VBZbe ...4678:... let4679VVlet me4680PPme draw4681VVdraw an4682DTan example4683NNexample .4684SENT. When4685WRBwhen you4686PPyou do4687VVPdo ...4688:... when4689WRBwhen the4690DTthe court4691NNcourt adopts4692VVZadopt rules4693NNSrule for4694INfor ...4695:... Federal4696NPFederal Rules4697NPSRules of4698INof Civil4699NPCivil Procedure4700NPProcedure or4701CCor otherwise4702RBotherwise ,4703,, there4704EXthere are4705VBPbe often4706RBoften advisory4707JJadvisory committee4708NNcommittee notes4709NNSnote that4710WDTthat explain4711VVPexplain kind4712NNkind of4713INof context4714NNcontext .4715SENT. We4716PPwe understand4717VVPunderstand ...4718:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]4719LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] Right4720RBright .4721SENT. Is4722VBZbe that4723IN/thatthat copyrightable4724JJcopyrightable ?4725SENT? [MR. YANG]4726LOC[MR. YANG] We4727PPwe understand4728VVPunderstand that4729DTthat ...4730:... no4731UHno ,4732,, we4733PPwe understand4734VVPunderstand that4735IN/thatthat to4736TOto be4737VBbe in4738INin the4739DTthe context4740NNcontext of4741INof the4742DTthe rule-making4743NNrule-making proceeding4744NNproceeding .4745SENT. [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]4746LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] All4747DTall right4748NNright .4749SENT. [MR. YANG]4750LOC[MR. YANG] All4751DTall right4752NNright .4753SENT. Now4754RBnow ...4755:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]4756LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] So4757RBso why4758WRBwhy is4759VBZbe that4760IN/thatthat different4761JJdifferent if4762INif ...4763:... and4764CCand I4765PPI think4766VVPthink your4767PP$your brief4768NNbrief made4769VVDmake very4770RBvery clear4771JJclear ,4772,, committee4773NNcommittee reports4774NNSreport ,4775,, even4776RBeven on4777INon failed4778JJfailed legislation4779NNlegislation ,4780,, would4781MDwould n't4782RBn't be4783VBbe copyrightable4784JJcopyrightable .4785SENT. Materials4786NNSmaterial prepared4787VVNprepare for4788INfor that4789DTthat process4790NNprocess are4791VBPbe not4792RBnot copyrightable4793JJcopyrightable unless4794INunless the4795DTthe individual4796NNindividual ...4797:... the4798DTthe state4799NNstate did4800VVDdo n't4801RBn't require4802VVrequire them4803PPthem or4804CCor ...4805:... or4806CCor create4807VVcreate them4808PPthem .4809SENT. So4810RBso why4811WRBwhy is4812VBZbe it4813PPit that4814IN/thatthat an4815DTan official4816JJofficial guide4817NNguide to4818TOto an4819DTan official4820JJofficial code4821NNcode where4822WRBwhere the4823DTthe annotations4824NNSannotation merge4825VVPmerge with4826INwith that4827DTthat code4828NNcode that4829WDTthat are4830VBPbe prepared4831VVNprepare by4832INby the4833DTthe state4834NNstate ,4835,, why4836WRBwhy are4837VBPbe n't4838RBn't those4839DTthose copyrightable4840JJcopyrightable ?4841SENT? [MR. YANG]4842LOC[MR. YANG] There4843EXthere 's4844VBZbe a4845DTa ...4846:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]4847LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] Why4848WRBwhy are4849VBPbe n't4850RBn't they4851PPthey like4852VVPlike ...4853:... [MR. YANG]4854LOC[MR. YANG] There4855EXthere 's4856VBZbe a4857DTa few4858JJfew things4859NNSthing that4860WDTthat are4861VBPbe ,4862,, I4863PPI think4864VVPthink ,4865,, incorrect4866JJincorrect in4867INin the4868DTthe premise4869NNpremise .4870SENT. One4871CDOne ,4872,, if4873INif you4874PPyou look4875VVPlook at4876INat Callaghan4877NPCallaghan ,4878,, you4879PPyou had4880VHDhave annotations4881NNSannotation by4882INby the4883DTthe official4884JJofficial court4885NNcourt reporter4886NNreporter ,4887,, superintended4888VVNsuperintend by4889INby the4890DTthe court4891NNcourt ,4892,, combined4893VVNcombine in4894INin a4895DTa single4896JJsingle volume4897NNvolume ,4898,, still4899RBstill copyrightable4900JJcopyrightable .4901SENT. So4902INso the4903DTthe fact4904NNfact that4905IN/thatthat they4906PPthey 're4907VBPbe together4908RBtogether ,4909,, not4910RBnot relevant4911JJrelevant .4912SENT. Second4913RBsecond ,4914,, when4915WRBwhen we4916PPwe 're4917VBPbe talking4918VVGtalk about4919INabout annotations4920NNSannotation here4921RBhere ,4922,, we4923PPwe 're4924VBPbe talking4925VVGtalk about4926INabout a4927DTa description4928NNdescription of4929INof case4930NNcase 14931CD1 .4932SENT. Case4933NNcase 14934CD1 says4935VVZsay the4936DTthe statute4937NNstatute means4938VVZmean X4939NNX ;4940:; case4941NNcase 24942CD2 means4943NNSmean the4944DTthe statute4945NNstatute means4946VVZmean Y4947NNY .4948SENT. They4949PPthey reproduce4950VVPreproduce both4951DTboth of4952INof them4953PPthem .4954SENT. They4955PPthey 're4956VBPbe not4957RBnot saying4958VVGsay that4959DTthat ...4960:... [JUSTICE KAGAN]4961LOC[JUSTICE KAGAN] Suppose4962VVsuppose that4963WDTthat were4964VBDbe n't4965RBn't true4966JJtrue .4967SENT. [JUSTICE ALITO]4968LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] So4969RBso is4970VBZbe it4971PPit ...4972:... [MR. YANG]4973LOC[MR. YANG] ...4974:... is4975VBZbe n't4976RBn't the4977DTthe law4978NNlaw .4979SENT. [JUSTICE KAGAN]4980LOC[JUSTICE KAGAN] Suppose4981VVsuppose the4982DTthe Commission4983NPCommission ,4984,, when4985WRBwhen it4986PPit supervised4987VVDsupervise ,4988,, part4989NNpart of4990INof its4991PP$its supervision4992NNsupervision ,4993,, it4994PPit looked4995VVDlook over4996INover the4997DTthe annotations4998NNSannotation and4999CCand it5000PPit picked5001VVDpick out5002RPout a5003DTa few5004JJfew that5005IN/thatthat it5006PPit thought5007VVDthink were5008VBDbe egregiously5009RBegregiously wrong5010JJwrong in5011INin terms5012NNSterm of5013INof interpreting5014VVGinterpret the5015DTthe law5016NNlaw .5017SENT. Would5018MDwould that5019RBthat make5020VVmake a5021DTa difference5022NNdifference ?5023SENT? [MR. YANG]5024LOC[MR. YANG] You5025PPyou know5026VVPknow ,5027,, I5028PPI think5029VVPthink it5030PPit would5031MDwould start5032VVstart to5033TOto be5034VBbe a5035DTa little5036RBlittle harder5037JJRhard .5038SENT. It5039PPit starts5040VVZstart to5041TOto sound5042VVsound a5043DTa lot5044NNlot like5045INlike ...5046:... more5047RBRmore like5048INlike post-enactment5049NNpost-enactment legislative5050JJlegislative history5051NNhistory ,5052,, if5053INif it5054PPit were5055VBDbe done5056VVNdo by5057INby the5058DTthe legislature5059NNlegislature .5060SENT. [JUSTICE KAGAN]5061LOC[JUSTICE KAGAN] A5062DTa little5063JJlittle bit5064NNbit harder5065RBRharder ,5066,, but5067CCbut that5068DTthat 's5069VBZbe still5070RBstill copyrightable5071JJcopyrightable if5072INif the5073DTthe ...5074:... if5075INif the5076DTthe Commission5077NPCommission is5078VBZbe saying5079VVGsay no5080RBno ,5081,, that5082WDTthat 's5083VBZbe an5084DTan incorrect5085JJincorrect interpretation5086NNinterpretation of5087INof law5088NNlaw ?5089SENT? [MR. YANG]5090LOC[MR. YANG] You5091PPyou know5092VVPknow ,5093,, I5094PPI ...5095:... [JUSTICE KAGAN]5096LOC[JUSTICE KAGAN] We5097PPwe 'll5098MDwill take5099VVtake out5100RPout that5101DTthat annotation5102NNannotation ?5103SENT? [MR. YANG]5104LOC[MR. YANG] ...5105:... I5106PPI think5107VVPthink because5108INbecause the5109DTthe Commission5110NPCommission ,5111,, is5112VBZbe ,5113,, again5114RBagain ,5115,, making5116VVGmake an5117DTan observation5118NNobservation with5119INwith respect5120NNrespect to5121TOto what5122WPwhat these5123DTthese other5124JJother parties5125NNSparty do5126VVPdo ,5127,, they5128PPthey do5129VVPdo n't5130RBn't have5131VHhave any5132DTany particular5133JJparticular expertise5134NNexpertise ,5135,, it5136PPit 's5137VBZbe not5138RBnot the5139DTthe legislature5140NNlegislature itself5141PPitself doing5142VVGdo this5143DTthis ,5144,, I5145PPI think5146VVPthink ...5147:... [JUSTICE KAGAN]5148LOC[JUSTICE KAGAN] Okay5149NPOkay .5150SENT. Now5151RBnow I5152PPI 'm5153VBPbe going5154VVGgo to5155TOto go5156VVgo back5157RBback to5158TOto Justice5159NPJustice Gorsuch5160NPGorsuch .5161SENT. How5162WRBHow about5163RBabout the5164DTthe legislature5165NNlegislature ?5166SENT? [MR. YANG]5167LOC[MR. YANG] Well5168UHWell ,5169,, if5170INif the5171DTthe legislature5172NNlegislature did5173VVDdo that5174IN/thatthat ,5175,, I5176PPI think5177VVPthink there5178EXthere would5179MDwould be5180VBbe a5181DTa question5182NNquestion whether5183INwhether that5184WDTthat is5185VBZbe part5186NNpart of5187INof the5188DTthe legislative5189JJlegislative process5190NNprocess ...5191:... [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]5192LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] Is5193VBZbe n't5194RBn't that5195DTthat ...5196:... [MR. YANG]5197LOC[MR. YANG] ...5198:... for5199INfor instance5200NNinstance ,5201,, for5202INfor ...5203:... [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]5204LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] ...5205:... is5206VBZbe n't5207RBn't that5208DTthat Banks5209NNSbank ?5210SENT? I5211PPI mean5212VVPmean ,5213,, is5214VBZbe n't5215RBn't that5216IN/thatthat the5217DTthe ...5218:... potentially5219RBpotentially Justice5220NPJustice Gorsuch5221NPGorsuch 's5222POS's hypothetical5223JJhypothetical ,5224,, the5225DTthe distinction5226NNdistinction between5227INbetween Banks5228NPSBanks and5229CCand Callaghan5230NPCallaghan or5231CCor not5232RBnot ?5233SENT? [MR. YANG]5234LOC[MR. YANG] Well5235UHwell ,5236,, I5237PPI think5238VVPthink Banks5239NPSBanks ...5240:... [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]5241LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] In5242INin other5243JJother words5244NNSword ,5245,, can5246MDcan 't5247RB't you5248PPyou give5249VVPgive up5250RPup that5251IN/thatthat hypothetical5252JJhypothetical and5253CCand still5254RBstill win5255VVwin ?5256SENT? [MR. YANG]5257LOC[MR. YANG] I5258PPI think5259VVPthink we5260PPwe could5261MDcould give5262VVgive it5263PPit up5264RPup ,5265,, but5266CCbut let5267VVlet me5268PPme ...5269:... let5270VVlet me5271PPme take5272VVtake a5273DTa step5274NNstep back5275RBback and5276CCand say5277VVPsay we5278PPwe can5279MDcan look5280VVlook ...5281:... start5282VVPstart looking5283VVGlook to5284TOto the5285DTthe fringes5286NNSfringe of5287INof this5288DTthis case5289NNcase ,5290,, but5291CCbut when5292WRBwhen we5293PPwe look5294VVPlook at5295INat the5296DTthe core5297NNcore of5298INof what5299WPwhat ...5300:... what5301WPwhat this5302DTthis is5303VBZbe about5304RBabout and5305CCand the5306DTthe way5307NNway that5308IN/thatthat this5309DTthis has5310VHZhave arisen5311VVNarise ,5312,, the5313DTthe test5314NNtest that5315IN/thatthat we5316PPwe think5317VVPthink flows5318NNSflow from5319INfrom Banks5320NPSBanks and5321CCand Callaghan5322NPCallaghan is5323VBZbe one5324CDone that5325WDTthat takes5326VVZtake care5327NNcare of5328INof the5329DTthe real-world5330NNreal-world consequences5331NNSconsequence here5332RBhere .5333SENT. [CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS]5334LOC[CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS] Thank5335VVthank you5336PPyou ,5337,, counsel5338NNcounsel .5339SENT. Mr5340NPMr .5341SENT. Citron5342NPCitron .5343SENT.

[MR. CITRON]5344LOC[MR. CITRON] Mr5345NPMr .5346SENT. Chief5347NPChief Justice5348NPJustice ,5349,, and5350CCand may5351MDmay it5352PPit please5353VVplease the5354DTthe Court5355NPCourt :5356:: I5357PPI think5358VVPthink it5359PPit 's5360VBZbe useful5361JJuseful to5362TOto remember5363VVremember that5364IN/thatthat the5365DTthe question5366NNquestion Georgia5367NPGeorgia presented5368VVDpresent in5369INin this5370DTthis case5371NNcase was5372VBDbe whether5373INwhether the5374DTthe government5375NNgovernment edicts5376NNSedict doctrine5377NNdoctrine extends5378VVZextend to5379TOto documents5380NNSdocument that5381WDTthat lack5382VVPlack the5383DTthe force5384NNforce of5385INof law5386NNlaw .5387SENT. The5388DTthe answer5389NNanswer to5390TOto that5391DTthat question5392NNquestion is5393VBZbe clearly5394RBclearly yes5395RByes .5396SENT. The5397DTthe United5398NPUnited States5399NPSStates agrees5400VVZagree with5401INwith us5402PPus that5403IN/thatthat it5404PPit has5405VHZhave to5406TOto be5407VBbe yes5408UHyes .5409SENT. That5410DTthat 's5411VBZbe required5412VVNrequire by5413INby the5414DTthe Court5415NPCourt 's5416POS's decision5417NNdecision in5418INin Banks5419NNSbank .5420SENT. And5421CCand it5422PPit seems5423VVZseem necessary5424JJnecessary unless5425INunless legislative5426JJlegislative history5427NNhistory ,5428,, agency5429NNagency guidance5430NNguidance documents5431NNSdocument ,5432,, unpublished5433JJunpublished judicial5434JJjudicial decisions5435NNSdecision are5436VBPbe going5437VVGgo to5438TOto be5439VBbe subject5440JJsubject to5441TOto copyright5442NNcopyright .5443SENT. Now5444RBnow Georgia5445NPGeorgia has5446VHZhave n't5447RBn't proposed5448VVNpropose an5449DTan alternative5450JJalternative test5451NNtest ,5452,, but5453CCbut we5454PPwe 've5455VHPhave proposed5456VVNpropose a5457DTa test5458NNtest that5459IN/thatthat we5460PPwe 've5461VHPhave drawn5462VVNdraw from5463INfrom the5464DTthe language5465NNlanguage in5466INin this5467DTthis Court5468NPCourt 's5469POS's decisions5470NNSdecision ,5471,, particularly5472RBparticularly Wheaton5473NPWheaton as5474INas it5475PPit was5476VBDbe understood5477VVNunderstand by5478INby Justice5479NPJustice Story5480NPStory and5481CCand Callaghan5482NPCallaghan ,5483,, which5484WDTwhich adopted5485VVDadopt that5486DTthat understanding5487NNunderstanding ,5488,, and5489CCand it5490PPit asks5491VVZask two5492CDtwo straightforward5493JJstraightforward questions5494NNSquestion :5495:: Is5496VBZbe this5497DTthis a5498DTa legal5499JJlegal work5500NNwork and5501CCand is5502VBZbe it5503PPit published5504VVDpublish under5505INunder the5506DTthe authority5507NNauthority of5508INof the5509DTthe state5510NNstate ?5511SENT? If5512INif it5513PPit is5514VBZbe ,5515,, then5516RBthen it5517PPit can5518MDcan 't5519RB't be5520VBbe copyrighted5521VVNcopyright ,5522,, and5523CCand that5524WDTthat makes5525VVZmake sense5526NNsense because5527INbecause states5528NNSstate do5529VVPdo n't5530RBn't publish5531VVpublish authentic5532JJauthentic state5533NNstate legal5534JJlegal works5535NNSwork for5536INfor the5537DTthe purposes5538NNSpurpose of5539INof making5540VVGmake money5541NNmoney or5542CCor maximizing5543VVGmaximize profit5544NNprofit .5545SENT. They5546PPthey publish5547VVPpublish them5548PPthem so5549RBso that5550IN/thatthat people5551NNSpeople will5552MDwill understand5553VVunderstand their5554PP$their legal5555JJlegal obligations5556NNSobligation .5557SENT. And5558CCand so5559RBso you5560PPyou do5561VVPdo not5562RBnot need5563VVneed the5564DTthe copyright5565NNcopyright incentive5566NNincentive to5567TOto ensure5568VVensure that5569IN/thatthat these5570DTthese works5571NNSwork get5572VVPget made5573VVNmake .5574SENT. [JUSTICE BREYER]5575LOC[JUSTICE BREYER] Why5576WRBwhy is5577VBZbe it5578PPit different5579JJdifferent if5580INif the5581DTthe state5582NNstate ...5583:... or5584CCor is5585VBZbe it5586PPit ?5587SENT? The5588DTthe state5589NNstate hires5590VVZhire an5591DTan official5592JJofficial historian5593NNhistorian .5594SENT. The5595DTthe historian5596NNhistorian 's5597POS's job5598NNjob is5599VBZbe to5600TOto write5601VVwrite the5602DTthe history5603NNhistory of5604INof the5605DTthe State5606NPState of5607INof Georgia5608NPGeorgia .5609SENT. After5610INafter a5611DTa committee5612NNcommittee reads5613VVZread it5614PPit and5615CCand says5616VVZsay yes5617UHyes ,5618,, then5619RBthen they5620PPthey stamp5621VVPstamp it5622PPit official5623JJofficial .5624SENT. They5625PPthey have5626VHPhave a5627DTa copyright5628NNcopyright contract5629NNcontract ,5630,, so5631RBso they5632PPthey get5633VVPget the5634DTthe ...5635:... the5636DTthe state5637NNstate gets5638VVZget the5639DTthe copyright5640NNcopyright .5641SENT. Is5642VBZbe it5643PPit copyrightable5644JJcopyrightable ?5645SENT? [MR. CITRON]5646LOC[MR. CITRON] I5647PPI think5648VVPthink that5649WDTthat is5650VBZbe copyrightable5651JJcopyrightable because5652INbecause ...5653:... [JUSTICE BREYER]5654LOC[JUSTICE BREYER] Because5655INbecause ?5656SENT? Why5657WRBwhy is5658VBZbe that5659IN/thatthat copyrightable5660JJcopyrightable and5661CCand yet5662RByet a5663DTa comment5664NNcomment made5665VVNmake by5666INby the5667DTthe professor5668NNprofessor 's5669POS's cousin5670NNcousin ,5671,, who5672WPwho happens5673VVZhappen to5674TOto teach5675VVteach in5676INin law5677NNlaw school5678NNschool ,5679,, is5680VBZbe not5681RBnot copyrightable5682JJcopyrightable ?5683SENT? [MR. CITRON]5684LOC[MR. CITRON] Uh5685UHuh ...5686:... [JUSTICE BREYER]5687LOC[JUSTICE BREYER] The5688DTthe comment5689NNcomment being5690VBGbe on5691INon the5692DTthe state5693NNstate of5694INof the5695DTthe law5696NNlaw ,5697,, the5698DTthe comment5699NNcomment being5700VBGbe a5701DTa summary5702NNsummary of5703INof the5704DTthe cases5705NNScase ,5706,, the5707DTthe comment5708NNcomment being5709VBGbe the5710DTthe ...5711:... the5712DTthe six5713CDsix things5714NNSthing listed5715VVNlist on5716INon page5717NNpage ,5718,, whatever5719WDTwhatever it5720PPit was5721VBDbe ,5722,, page5723NNpage 4975724CD@card@ ,5725,, the5726DTthe seven5727CDseven things5728NNSthing .5729SENT. How5730WRBHow is5731VBZbe that5732IN/thatthat different5733JJdifferent ?5734SENT? [MR. CITRON]5735LOC[MR. CITRON] I5736PPI guess5737VVPguess I5738PPI want5739VVPwant to5740TOto answer5741VVanswer both5742DTboth parts5743NNSpart of5744INof the5745DTthe question5746NNquestion ,5747,, but5748CCbut I5749PPI 'm5750VBPbe going5751VVGgo to5752TOto take5753VVtake the5754DTthe second5755JJsecond part5756NNpart first5757RBfirst .5758SENT. I5759PPI do5760VVPdo n't5761RBn't think5762VVthink a5763DTa law5764NNlaw professor5765NNprofessor speaking5766VVGspeak in5767INin the5768DTthe voice5769NNvoice of5770INof the5771DTthe state5772NNstate or5773CCor that5774WDTthat something5775NNsomething a5776DTa law5777NNlaw professor5778NNprofessor publishes5779VVZpublish is5780VBZbe published5781VVNpublish under5782INunder the5783DTthe authority5784NNauthority of5785INof the5786DTthe state5787NNstate ,5788,, so5789INso that5790WDTthat would5791MDwould be5792VBbe copyrightable5793JJcopyrightable under5794INunder our5795PP$our test5796NNtest .5797SENT. Nor5798CCnor do5799VVPdo I5800PPI think5801VVPthink that5802IN/thatthat an5803DTan official5804JJofficial state5805NNstate history5806NNhistory is5807VBZbe a5808DTa legal5809JJlegal work5810NNwork ,5811,, and5812CCand so5813RBso that5814WDTthat would5815MDwould n't5816RBn't be5817VBbe captured5818VVNcapture by5819INby our5820PP$our test5821NNtest either5822RBeither .5823SENT. And5824CCand there5825EXthere is5826VBZbe a5827DTa difference5828NNdifference because5829RBbecause ,5830,, when5831WRBwhen the5832DTthe state5833NNstate speaks5834VVZspeak ...5835:... when5836WRBwhen you5837PPyou speak5838VVPspeak in5839INin the5840DTthe state5841NNstate 's5842POS's voice5843NNvoice with5844INwith respect5845NNrespect to5846TOto a5847DTa legal5848JJlegal work5849NNwork ,5850,, you5851PPyou 're5852VBPbe asserting5853VVGassert a5854DTa kind5855NNkind of5856INof authority5857NNauthority .5858SENT. That5859DTthat has5860VHZhave value5861NNvalue that5862IN/thatthat it5863PPit does5864VVZdo n't5865RBn't have5866VHhave when5867WRBwhen the5868DTthe state5869NNstate publishes5870VVZpublish its5871PP$its poetry5872NNpoetry .5873SENT. [JUSTICE KAGAN]5874LOC[JUSTICE KAGAN] I5875PPI understand5876VVPunderstand ,5877,, Mr5878NPMr .5879SENT. Citron5880NPCitron ,5881,, that5882IN/thatthat the5883DTthe SG5884NPSG is5885VBZbe essentially5886RBessentially saying5887VVGsay ,5888,, well5889RBwell ,5890,, for5891INfor these5892DTthese annotations5893NNSannotation ,5894,, the5895DTthe state5896NNstate is5897VBZbe not5898RBnot telling5899VVGtell you5900PPyou what5901WPwhat it5902PPit thinks5903VVZthink about5904INabout the5905DTthe law5906NNlaw .5907SENT. The5908DTthe state5909NNstate is5910VBZbe doing5911VVGdo no5912RBno more5913JJRmore and5914CCand no5915RBno less5916JJRless than5917INthan what5918WPwhat Westlaw5919NPWestlaw does5920VVZdo .5921SENT. So5922INso the5923DTthe state5924NNstate 's5925POS's view5926NNview of5927INof the5928DTthe law5929NNlaw is5930VBZbe just5931RBjust like5932INlike Westlaw5933NPWestlaw 's5934POS's view5935NNview of5936INof the5937DTthe law5938NNlaw .5939SENT. Why5940WRBwhy should5941MDshould we5942PPwe treat5943VVtreat the5944DTthe two5945CDtwo differently5946RBdifferently ?5947SENT? [MR. CITRON]5948LOC[MR. CITRON] Well5949UHWell ,5950,, I5951PPI ...5952:... I5953PPI do5954VVPdo n't5955RBn't think5956VVthink they5957PPthey 're5958VBPbe the5959DTthe same5960JJsame for5961INfor two5962CDtwo reasons5963NNSreason .5964SENT. One5965PPone is5966VBZbe these5967DTthese annotations5968NNSannotation are5969VBPbe produced5970VVNproduce in5971INin the5972DTthe name5973NNname of5974INof and5975CCand the5976DTthe voice5977NNvoice of5978INof the5979DTthe Code5980NPCode Revision5981NPRevision Commission5982NPCommission ,5983,, and5984CCand the5985DTthe Code5986NPCode Revision5987NPRevision Commission5988NPCommission is5989VBZbe not5990RBnot a5991DTa non-entity5992NNnon-entity .5993SENT. Code5994NPCode Revision5995NPRevision Commissions5996NNScommission are5997VBPbe responsible5998JJresponsible for5999INfor assembling6000VVGassemble the6001DTthe text6002NNtext of6003INof the6004DTthe statutes6005NNSstatute and6006CCand the6007DTthe other6008JJother things6009NNSthing that6010WDTthat go6011VVPgo into6012INinto the6013DTthe official6014JJofficial code6015NNcode .6016SENT. And6017CCand ,6018,, look6019VVPlook ,6020,, in6021INin the6022DTthe United6023NPUnited States6024NPSStates context6025NNcontext ,6026,, 276027CD@card@ of6028INof the6029DTthe titles6030NNStitle of6031INof the6032DTthe United6033NPUnited States6034NPSStates Code6035NPCode are6036VBPbe simply6037RBsimply the6038DTthe product6039NNproduct of6040INof a6041DTa Code6042NPCode Revision6043NPRevision Commission6044NPCommission .6045SENT. They6046PPthey are6047VBPbe n't6048RBn't enacted6049VVNenact as6050INas texts6051NNStext .6052SENT. So6053INso these6054DTthese Code6055NPCode Revision6056NPRevision Commissions6057NNScommission ,6058,, they6059PPthey do6060VVPdo exercise6061VVexercise a6062DTa legislative6063JJlegislative function6064NNfunction .6065SENT. They6066PPthey assemble6067VVPassemble the6068DTthe text6069NNtext of6070INof the6071DTthe statutes6072NNSstatute .6073SENT. [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]6074LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] How6075WRBHow is6076VBZbe that6077IN/thatthat different6078JJdifferent from6079INfrom the6080DTthe court6081NNcourt reporter6082NNreporter ?6083SENT? [MR. CITRON]6084LOC[MR. CITRON] Because6085INbecause the6086DTthe court6087NNcourt reporter6088NNreporter does6089VVZdo n't6090RBn't ...6091:... is6092VBZbe n't6093RBn't responsible6094JJresponsible for6095INfor the6096DTthe text6097NNtext of6098INof the6099DTthe opinions6100NNSopinion at6101INat all6102DTall ,6103,, right6104RBright ?6105SENT? They6106PPthey 're6107VBPbe not6108RBnot allowed6109VVNallow to6110TOto move6111VVmove around6112RParound the6113DTthe text6114NNtext and6115CCand say6116VVPsay ,6117,, well6118RBwell ,6119,, this6120DTthis would6121MDwould be6122VBbe clearer6123JJRclear ...6124:... [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]6125LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] They6126PPthey 're6127VBPbe responsible6128JJresponsible for6129INfor the6130DTthe text6131NNtext of6132INof what6133WPwhat they6134PPthey ...6135:... they6136PPthey produce6137VVPproduce as6138INas the6139DTthe summary6140NNsummary .6141SENT. [MR. CITRON]6142LOC[MR. CITRON] What6143WPWhat they6144PPthey add6145VVPadd they6146PPthey are6147VBPbe responsible6148JJresponsible for6149INfor ,6150,, but6151CCbut the6152DTthe court6153NNcourt is6154VBZbe not6155RBnot responsible6156JJresponsible for6157INfor it6158PPit ,6159,, and6160CCand that6161DTthat 's6162VBZbe the6163DTthe big6164JJbig difference6165NNdifference .6166SENT. Being6167VBGbe the6168DTthe official6169JJofficial reporter6170NNreporter does6171VVZdo n't6172RBn't prevent6173VVprevent you6174PPyou from6175INfrom adding6176VVGadd whatever6177WDTwhatever you6178PPyou want6179VVPwant to6180TOto the6181DTthe report6182NNreport .6183SENT. If6184INif Henry6185NPHenry Wheaton6186NPWheaton had6187VHDhave added6188VVNadd things6189NNSthing the6190DTthe Court6191NNcourt did6192VVDdo n't6193RBn't like6194VVlike to6195TOto the6196DTthe 18156197CD@card@ term6198NNterm report6199NNreport ,6200,, they6201PPthey 're6202VBPbe not6203RBnot required6204VVNrequire to6205TOto pay6206VVpay him6207PPhim for6208INfor the6209DTthe 18166210CD@card@ term6211NNterm ,6212,, but6213CCbut they6214PPthey can6215MDcan 't6216RB't pull6217VVpull the6218DTthe 18156219CD@card@ term6220NNterm report6221NNreport off6222INoff the6223DTthe shelves6224NNSshelf .6225SENT. It6226PPit 's6227VBZbe up6228RBup to6229TOto him6230PPhim what6231WPwhat goes6232VVZgo in6233INin that6234DTthat book6235NNbook .6236SENT. That6237DTthat 's6238VBZbe the6239DTthe complete6240JJcomplete opposite6241NNopposite of6242INof what6243WPwhat happens6244VVZhappen with6245INwith Lexis6246NPLexis and6247CCand the6248DTthe OCGA6249NPOCGA .6250SENT. Lexis6251NNlexis can6252MDcan 't6253RB't add6254VVadd one6255CDone thing6256NNthing to6257TOto the6258DTthe OCGA6259NPOCGA outside6260INoutside the6261DTthe state6262NNstate 's6263POS's authority6264NNauthority .6265SENT. The6266DTthe hypothetical6267JJhypothetical facts6268NNSfact you6269PPyou pose6270VVPpose ,6271,, those6272DTthose are6273VBPbe the6274DTthe actual6275JJactual facts6276NNSfact of6277INof this6278DTthis case6279NNcase .6280SENT. The6281DTthe undisputed6282JJundisputed material6283NNmaterial facts6284NNSfact are6285VBPbe that6286IN/thatthat all6287PDTall the6288DTthe materials6289NNSmaterial in6290INin the6291DTthe OCGA6292NPOCGA are6293VBPbe finalized6294VVNfinalize under6295INunder the6296DTthe direct6297JJdirect supervision6298NNsupervision of6299INof the6300DTthe Code6301NPCode Revision6302NPRevision Commission6303NPCommission .6304SENT. [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]6305LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] And6306CCand what6307WPwhat 's6308VBZbe the6309DTthe ...6310:... what6311WPwhat 's6312VBZbe the6313DTthe difference6314NNdifference between6315INbetween the6316DTthe Commission6317NPCommission and6318CCand the6319DTthe ...6320:... and6321CCand the6322DTthe reporter6323NNreporter ?6324SENT? I6325PPI 'm6326VBPbe sorry6327JJsorry .6328SENT. [MR. CITRON]6329LOC[MR. CITRON] The6330DTthe difference6331NNdifference between6332INbetween the6333DTthe Commission6334NPCommission and6335CCand the6336DTthe reporter6337NNreporter ?6338SENT? [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]6339LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] Yeah6340NPYeah ,6341,, the6342DTthe court6343NNcourt reporter6344NNreporter .6345SENT. [MR. CITRON]6346LOC[MR. CITRON] The6347NPThe Commission6348NPCommission ...6349:... [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]6350LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] In6351INin other6352JJother words6353NNSword ,6354,, how6355WRBhow do6356VVPdo you6357PPyou deal6358NNdeal with6359INwith Callaghan6360NPCallaghan and6361CCand Wheaton6362NPWheaton ,6363,, I6364PPI guess6365VVPguess ,6366,, and6367CCand Howell6368NPHowell ,6369,, if6370INif we6371PPwe 're6372VBPbe going6373VVGgo to6374TOto bring6375VVbring in6376INin the6377DTthe Sixth6378NPSixth Circuit6379NPCircuit decision6380NNdecision in6381INin Howell6382NPHowell ?6383SENT? [MR. CITRON]6384LOC[MR. CITRON] I6385PPI think6386VVPthink the6387DTthe difference6388NNdifference is6389VBZbe that6390IN/thatthat the6391DTthe classic6392JJclassic judicial6393JJjudicial reporter6394NNreporter ,6395,, particularly6396RBparticularly in6397INin the6398DTthe 19th6399JJ19th century6400NNcentury ,6401,, which6402WDTwhich is6403VBZbe what6404WPwhat we6405PPwe should6406MDshould try6407VVtry to6408TOto keep6409VVkeep in6410INin mind6411NNmind ,6412,, spoke6413VVDspeak in6414INin their6415PP$their own6416JJown voice6417NNvoice when6418WRBwhen they6419PPthey added6420VVDadd materials6421NNSmaterial to6422TOto the6423DTthe Court6424NPCourt 's6425POS's opinion6426NNopinion .6427SENT. The6428DTthe Code6429NPCode Revision6430NPRevision Commission6431NPCommission does6432VVZdo not6433RBnot speak6434VVspeak in6435INin its6436PP$its own6437JJown voice6438NNvoice .6439SENT. It6440PPit 's6441VBZbe not6442RBnot like6443INlike Westlaw6444NPWestlaw ,6445,, something6446NNsomething you6447PPyou read6448VVPread on6449INon the6450DTthe Internet6451NNInternet .6452SENT. It6453PPit 's6454VBZbe speaking6455VVGspeak in6456INin the6457DTthe state6458NNstate 's6459POS's voice6460NNvoice when6461WRBwhen it6462PPit puts6463VVZput the6464DTthe annotations6465NNSannotation in6466INin .6467SENT. The6468DTthe annotations6469NNSannotation may6470MDmay not6471RBnot be6472VBbe very6473RBvery valuable6474JJvaluable .6475SENT. They6476PPthey might6477MDmight not6478RBnot be6479VBbe worth6480JJworth a6481DTa lot6482NNlot in6483INin court6484NNcourt ,6485,, just6486RBjust like6487INlike legislative6488JJlegislative history6489NNhistory in6490INin front6491NNfront of6492INof many6493JJmany judges6494NNSjudge is6495VBZbe not6496RBnot worth6497JJworth a6498DTa lot6499NNlot in6500INin court6501NNcourt .6502SENT. But6503CCbut it6504PPit 's6505VBZbe still6506RBstill an6507DTan authentic6508JJauthentic state6509NNstate legal6510JJlegal document6511NNdocument .6512SENT. It6513PPit still6514RBstill comes6515VVZcome through6516INthrough in6517INin the6518DTthe voice6519NNvoice of6520INof the6521DTthe state6522NNstate .6523SENT. And6524CCand that6525DTthat 's6526VBZbe the6527DTthe difference6528NNdifference .6529SENT. [JUSTICE ALITO]6530LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] Does6531VVZdo this6532DTthis amount6533NNamount to6534TOto anything6535NNanything other6536JJother than6537INthan the6538DTthe label6539NNlabel that6540WDTthat 's6541VBZbe put6542VVNput on6543INon this6544DTthis volume6545NNvolume ?6546SENT? 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[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]9456LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] The9457DTthe merger9458NNmerger can9459MDcan 't9460RB't make9461VVmake the9462DTthe difference9463NNdifference ,9464,, though9465RBthough ,9466,, right9467RBright ?9468SENT? [MR. CITRON]9469LOC[MR. CITRON] No9470NPNo ,9471,, I9472PPI think9473VVPthink the9474DTthe merger9475NNmerger does9476VVZdo make9477VVmake a9478DTa difference9479NNdifference because9480INbecause that9481WDTthat is9482VBZbe the9483DTthe legislature9484NNlegislature deciding9485VVGdecide that9486IN/thatthat these9487DTthese annotations9488NNSannotation will9489MDwill be9490VBbe part9491NNpart of9492INof the9493DTthe code9494NNcode and9495CCand then9496RBthen publishing9497VVGpublish that9498DTthat code9499NNcode under9500INunder the9501DTthe state9502NNstate 's9503POS's authority9504NNauthority .9505SENT. It9506PPit could9507MDcould do9508VVdo the9509DTthe opposite9510NNopposite .9511SENT. 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[JUSTICE ALITO]10418LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] What10419WPWhat 's10420VHZhave your10421PP$your best10422JJSgood ...10423:... what10424WPwhat is10425VBZbe your10426PP$your best10427JJSgood evidence10428NNevidence that10429IN/thatthat the10430DTthe state10431NNstate actually10432RBactually edits10433VVZedit what10434WPwhat Lexis10435NPLexis does10436VVZdo or10437CCor supervises10438VVZsupervise the10439DTthe substance10440NNsubstance of10441INof what10442WPwhat Lexis10443NPLexis does10444VVZdo ?10445SENT? [MR. CITRON]10446LOC[MR. CITRON] Well10447UHWell ,10448,, so10449INso there10450EXthere 's10451VBZbe a10452DTa couple10453NNcouple of10454INof things10455NNSthing in10456INin the10457DTthe publication10458NNpublication manual10459NNmanual that10460WDTthat set10461VVDset forth10462RBforth how10463WRBhow Lexis10464NPLexis is10465VBZbe supposed10466VVNsuppose to10467TOto communicate10468VVcommunicate with10469INwith the10470DTthe state10471NNstate ,10472,, and10473CCand it10474PPit requires10475VVZrequire sending10476VVGsend them10477PPthem memos10478NNSmemo with10479INwith bracketing10480VVGbracket around10481RParound what10482WPwhat the10483DTthe new10484JJnew material10485NNmaterial is10486VBZbe ,10487,, Xeroxing10488VVGXerox the10489DTthe pages10490NNSpage on10491INon which10492WDTwhich any10493DTany ALR10494NPALR notes10495NNSnote or10496CCor opinions10497NNSopinion of10498INof the10499DTthe attorney10500NNattorney general10501NNgeneral might10502MDmight be10503VBbe deleted10504VVNdelete and10505CCand pointing10506VVGpoint them10507PPthem out10508RPout for10509INfor state10510NNstate approval10511NNapproval .10512SENT. The10513DTthe publication10514NNpublication manual10515NNmanual also10516RBalso highlights10517VVZhighlight situations10518NNSsituation in10519INin which10520WDTwhich the10521DTthe state10522NNstate is10523VBZbe likely10524JJlikely to10525TOto tell10526VVtell them10527PPthem what10528WPwhat kind10529NNkind of10530INof editor10531NNeditor 's10532POS's note10533NNnote to10534TOto create10535VVcreate surrounding10536VVGsurround complicated10537JJcomplicated amendments10538NNSamendment or10539CCor the10540DTthe like10541INlike .10542SENT. So10543INso the10544DTthe Commission10545NPCommission is10546VBZbe involved10547VVNinvolve ,10548,, but10549CCbut we10550PPwe do10551VVPdo n't10552RBn't have10553VHhave ...10554:... because10555INbecause the10556DTthe case10557NNcase was10558VBDbe decided10559VVNdecide on10560INon summary10561NNsummary judgment10562NNjudgment ,10563,, we10564PPwe just10565RBjust do10566VVPdo n't10567RBn't have10568VHhave a10569DTa record10570NNrecord of10571INof how10572WRBhow often10573RBoften this10574DTthis ...10575:... the10576DTthe Commission10577NPCommission actually10578RBactually ...10579:... [JUSTICE BREYER]10580LOC[JUSTICE BREYER] The10581DTthe ...10582:... I10583PPI just10584RBjust thought10585VVDthink of10586INof a10587DTa possible10588JJpossible ...10589:... this10590DTthis should10591MDshould shed10592VVshed a10593DTa lot10594NNlot of10595INof light10596NNlight in10597INin a10598DTa number10599NNnumber of10600INof areas10601NNSarea .10602SENT. One10603CDOne of10604INof those10605DTthose areas10606NNSarea is10607VBZbe only10608RBonly applicable10609JJapplicable to10610TOto some10611DTsome judges10612NNSjudge .10613SENT. Some10614DTsome judges10615NNSjudge do10616VVPdo look10617NNlook at10618INat legislative10619JJlegislative history10620NNhistory .10621SENT. So10622RBso ,10623,, for10624INfor those10625DTthose who10626WPwho do10627VVPdo look10628NNlook at10629INat legislative10630JJlegislative history10631NNhistory ,10632,, a10633DTa committee10634NNcommittee report10635NNreport has10636VHZhave significance10637NNsignificance .10638SENT. All10639DTall right10640NNright ?10641SENT? Now10642RBnow take10643VVtake the10644DTthe same10645JJsame words10646NNSword and10647CCand imagine10648VVPimagine that10649IN/thatthat a10650DTa senator10651NNsenator ,10652,, long10653RBlong afterwards10654RBafterwards ,10655,, came10656VVDcome into10657INinto court10658NNcourt and10659CCand testified10660VVDtestify that10661WDTthat 's10662VBZbe what10663WPwhat we10664PPwe meant10665VVDmean .10666SENT. Would10667MDwould we10668PPwe give10669VVgive that10670DTthat senator10671NNsenator weight10672NNweight ?10673SENT? No10674UHNo .10675SENT. Or10676CCor suppose10677VVPsuppose that10678IN/thatthat the10679DTthe committee10680NNcommittee met10681VVDmeet after10682INafter it10683PPit was10684VBDbe passed10685VVNpass .10686SENT. That10687DTthat 's10688VBZbe called10689VVNcall post-enactment10690JJpost-enactment legislative10691JJlegislative history10692NNhistory .10693SENT. Does10694VVZdo that10695RBthat have10696VHhave some10697DTsome weight10698NNweight ?10699SENT? Usually10700RBusually very10701RBvery little10702JJlittle .10703SENT. And10704CCand that10705DTthat 's10706VBZbe because10707INbecause that10708WDTthat is10709VBZbe n't10710RBn't normally10711RBnormally their10712PP$their job10713NNjob .10714SENT. That10715DTthat is10716VBZbe n't10717RBn't normally10718RBnormally part10719NNpart of10720INof the10721DTthe lawmaking10722JJlawmaking process10723NNprocess .10724SENT. Thinking10725VVGthink of10726INof that10727DTthat analogy10728NNanalogy ,10729,, it10730PPit seems10731VVZseem to10732TOto me10733PPme that10734IN/thatthat your10735PP$your case10736NNcase lies10737VVZlie somewhere10738RBsomewhere between10739INbetween the10740DTthe official10741JJofficial post-enactment10742NNpost-enactment legislative10743JJlegislative history10744NNhistory and10745CCand ,10746,, over10747INover here10748RBhere ,10749,, the10750DTthe senator10751NNsenator walking10752VVGwalk into10753INinto the10754DTthe courtroom10755NNcourtroom and10756CCand just10757RBjust saying10758VVGsay ,10759,, that10760WDTthat 's10761VBZbe what10762WPwhat I10763PPI meant10764VVDmean .10765SENT. Now10766RBnow is10767VBZbe that10768IN/thatthat fair10769JJfair ?10770SENT? Because10771INbecause I10772PPI do10773VVPdo n't10774RBn't think10775VVthink you10776PPyou like10777INlike me10778PPme thinking10779VVGthink that10780DTthat way10781NNway .10782SENT. [MR. CITRON]10783LOC[MR. CITRON] Oh10784UHoh ,10785,, I10786PPI 'm10787VBPbe comfortable10788JJcomfortable ...10789:... [JUSTICE BREYER]10790LOC[JUSTICE BREYER] You10791PPyou are10792VBPbe ?10793SENT? [MR. CITRON]10794LOC[MR. CITRON] ...10795:... with10796INwith you10797PPyou thinking10798VVGthink that10799DTthat way10800NNway .10801SENT. And10802CCand I10803PPI think10804VVPthink that10805IN/thatthat that10806DTthat 's10807VBZbe one10808CDone of10809INof the10810DTthe main10811JJmain points10812NNSpoint I10813PPI 've10814VHPhave been10815VBNbe trying10816VVGtry to10817TOto make10818VVmake here10819RBhere .10820SENT. There10821EXthere is10822VBZbe a10823DTa difference10824NNdifference between10825INbetween being10826VBGbe worth10827JJworth very10828RBvery little10829RBlittle but10830CCbut nonetheless10831RBnonetheless being10832VBGbe official10833JJofficial ,10834,, authentic10835JJauthentic state10836NNstate legal10837JJlegal resource10838NNresource ,10839,, and10840CCand being10841VBGbe worth10842JJworth nothing10843NNnothing because10844INbecause you10845PPyou 're10846VBPbe not10847RBnot an10848DTan authentic10849JJauthentic state10850NNstate legal10851JJlegal resource10852NNresource .10853SENT. It10854PPit 's10855VBZbe not10856RBnot even10857RBeven the10858DTthe senator10859NNsenator walking10860VVGwalk in10861INin and10862CCand testifying10863VVGtestify ,10864,, right10865RBright ?10866SENT? What10867WPWhat we10868PPwe need10869VVPneed you10870PPyou to10871TOto compare10872VVcompare this10873DTthis to10874TOto is10875VBZbe somebody10876NNsomebody from10877INfrom the10878DTthe New10879NPNew York10880NPYork Times10881NPTimes walking10882VVGwalk in10883INin and10884CCand testifying10885VVGtestify that10886IN/thatthat this10887DTthis is10888VBZbe what10889WPwhat people10890NNSpeople had10891VHDhave in10892INin mind10893NNmind when10894WRBwhen they10895PPthey enacted10896VVDenact this10897DTthis statute10898NNstatute .10899SENT. That10900DTthat 's10901VBZbe not10902RBnot good10903JJgood for10904INfor anything10905NNanything because10906INbecause it10907PPit 's10908VBZbe not10909RBnot a10910DTa state10911NNstate legal10912JJlegal resource10913NNresource .10914SENT. It10915PPit does10916VVZdo n't10917RBn't speak10918VVspeak in10919INin the10920DTthe ...10921:... in10922INin the10923DTthe voice10924NNvoice of10925INof the10926DTthe state10927NNstate .10928SENT. And10929CCand you10930PPyou can10931MDcan disagree10932VVdisagree about10933RBabout how10934WRBhow much10935JJmuch weight10936NNweight to10937TOto give10938VVgive something10939NNsomething that10940WDTthat is10941VBZbe nonetheless10942RBnonetheless an10943DTan authentic10944JJauthentic state10945NNstate legal10946JJlegal resource10947NNresource ,10948,, but10949CCbut that10950DTthat 's10951VBZbe the10952DTthe thing10953NNthing that10954WDTthat makes10955VVZmake the10956DTthe difference10957NNdifference .10958SENT. And10959CCand that10960WDTthat ,10961,, again10962RBagain ,10963,, is10964VBZbe the10965DTthe difference10966NNdifference between10967INbetween these10968DTthese cases10969NNScase and10970CCand Howell10971NPHowell and10972CCand Wheaton10973NPWheaton .10974SENT. Howell10975NPHowell and10976CCand Wheaton10977NPWheaton were10978VBDbe allowed10979VVNallow to10980TOto add10981VVadd whatever10982WDTwhatever they10983PPthey wanted10984VVDwant .10985SENT. [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]10986LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] Presumably10987RBpresumably ,10988,, a10989DTa certified10990JJcertified copy10991NNcopy of10992INof the10993DTthe committee10994NNcommittee report10995NNreport would10996MDwould not10997RBnot be10998VBbe post10999NNpost hoc11000FWhoc .11001SENT. [MR. CITRON]11002LOC[MR. CITRON] Whether11003NPWhether ...11004:... I11005PPI think11006VVPthink the11007DTthe point11008NNpoint I11009PPI was11010VBDbe trying11011VVGtry to11012TOto make11013VVmake is11014VBZbe post11015VVpost hoc11016FWhoc or11017CCor not11018RBnot might11019MDmight affect11020VVaffect how11021WRBhow much11022JJmuch weight11023NNweight you11024PPyou want11025VVPwant to11026TOto give11027VVgive it11028PPit ,11029,, but11030CCbut the11031DTthe fact11032NNfact that11033IN/thatthat it11034PPit 's11035VBZbe a11036DTa certified11037JJcertified committee11038NNcommittee report11039NNreport is11040VBZbe the11041DTthe thing11042NNthing that11043WDTthat really11044RBreally makes11045VVZmake the11046DTthe difference11047NNdifference .11048SENT. [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]11049LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] Now11050RBnow I11051PPI ...11052:... I11053PPI understand11054VVPunderstand Justice11055NPJustice Ginsburg11056NPGinsburg 's11057POS's question11058NNquestion because11059INbecause I11060PPI do11061VVPdo think11062VVthink there11063EXthere 's11064VBZbe ...11065:... the11066DTthe comments11067NNScomment troubled11068VVDtrouble me11069PPme ,11070,, taking11071VVGtake the11072DTthe government11073NNgovernment and11074CCand Petitioners11075NNSpetitioner '11076POS' side11077NNside ,11078,, the11079DTthe editorial11080JJeditorial notes11081NNSnote trouble11082NNtrouble me11083PPme ,11084,, but11085CCbut most11086JJSmost of11087INof the11088DTthe references11089NNSreference in11090INin the11091DTthe notes11092NNSnote are11093VBPbe just11094RBjust to11095TOto judicial11096JJjudicial decisions11097NNSdecision and11098CCand /11099SYM/ or11100CCor general11101JJgeneral research11102NNresearch matters11103NNSmatter .11104SENT. If11105INif it11106PPit were11107VBDbe limited11108VVNlimit just11109RBjust to11110TOto that11111DTthat ,11112,, is11113VBZbe that11114DTthat ...11115:... why11116WRBwhy can11117MDcan 't11118RB't the11119DTthe state11120NNstate ...11121:... [MR. CITRON]11122LOC[MR. CITRON] I11123PPI ...11124:... I11125PPI 'll11126MDwill just11127RBjust give11128VVgive you11129PPyou ...11130:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]11131LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] ...11132:... this11133DTthis is11134VBZbe what11135WPwhat ...11136:... [MR. CITRON]11137LOC[MR. CITRON] Yeah11138NPYeah .11139SENT. I11140PPI 'll11141MDwill try11142VVtry to11143TOto give11144VVgive you11145PPyou the11146DTthe best11147JJSgood example11148NNexample we11149PPwe could11150MDcould find11151VVfind .11152SENT. In11153INin one11154CDone of11155INof the11156DTthe state11157NNstate cases11158NNScase that11159WDTthat cites11160VVZcite a11161DTa judicial11162JJjudicial annotation11163NNannotation ,11164,, what11165WDTwhat happened11166VVDhappen was11167VBDbe a11168DTa lawyer11169NNlawyer from11170INfrom Florida11171NPFlorida did11172VVDdo n't11173RBn't file11174VVfile a11175DTa response11176NNresponse to11177TOto a11178DTa motion11179NNmotion for11180INfor summary11181NNsummary judgment11182NNjudgment ,11183,, because11184INbecause he11185PPhe looked11186VVDlook up11187RPup the11188DTthe statute11189NNstatute ,11190,, and11191CCand the11192DTthe statute11193NNstatute says11194VVZsay there11195EXthere 's11196VBZbe going11197VVGgo to11198TOto be11199VBbe a11200DTa hearing11201NNhearing in11202INin 3011203CD@card@ days11204NNSday ;11205:; you11206PPyou can11207MDcan file11208VVfile something11209NNsomething up11210RPup until11211INuntil the11212DTthe hearing11213NNhearing .11214SENT. Turns11215VVZturn out11216RPout that11217IN/thatthat there11218EXthere 's11219VBZbe a11220DTa rule11221NNrule that11222WDTthat says11223VVZsay ,11224,, no11225UHno ,11226,, you11227PPyou have11228VHPhave to11229TOto file11230VVfile a11231DTa response11232NNresponse or11233CCor else11234RBelse it11235PPit might11236MDmight be11237VBbe deemed11238VVNdeem forfeited11239VVNforfeit .11240SENT. And11241CCand the11242DTthe court11243NNcourt is11244VBZbe deciding11245VVGdecide whether11246INwhether his11247PP$his failure11248NNfailure to11249TOto file11250VVfile a11251DTa response11252NNresponse is11253VBZbe excusable11254JJexcusable neglect11255NNneglect .11256SENT. And11257CCand the11258DTthe court11259NNcourt says11260VVZsay :11261:: Well11262UHwell ,11263,, if11264INif you11265PPyou look11266VVPlook at11267INat the11268DTthe annotations11269NNSannotation to11270TOto this11271DTthis statute11272NNstatute ,11273,, it11274PPit discloses11275VVZdisclose the11276DTthe existence11277NNexistence of11278INof Rule11279NPRule 611280CD6 .11281SENT. 311282CD3 ,11283,, which11284WDTwhich is11285VBZbe not11286RBnot inconsistent11287JJinconsistent with11288INwith the11289DTthe statute11290NNstatute .11291SENT. And11292CCand this11293DTthis is11294VBZbe what11295WPwhat happens11296VVZhappen when11297WRBwhen you11298PPyou have11299VHPhave a11300DTa state11301NNstate legal11302JJlegal manual11303NNmanual like11304INlike the11305DTthe OCGA11306NPOCGA that11307WDTthat has11308VHZhave official11309JJofficial annotations11310NNSannotation in11311INin it11312PPit .11313SENT. Courts11314NNScourt will11315MDwill find11316VVfind ways11317NNSway and11318CCand regular11319JJregular people11320NNSpeople will11321MDwill find11322VVfind ways11323NNSway to11324TOto attribute11325VVattribute importance11326NNimportance to11327TOto things11328NNSthing that11329WDTthat are11330VBPbe difficult11331JJdifficult to11332TOto use11333VVuse for11334INfor judicial11335JJjudicial purposes11336NNSpurpose but11337CCbut sometimes11338RBsometimes will11339MDwill .11340SENT. And11341CCand the11342DTthe reason11343NNreason they11344PPthey do11345VVPdo that11346WDTthat is11347VBZbe because11348INbecause this11349DTthis is11350VBZbe a11351DTa legal11352JJlegal work11353NNwork that11354WDTthat speaks11355VVZspeak in11356INin the11357DTthe voice11358NNvoice of11359INof the11360DTthe state11361NNstate and11362CCand not11363RBnot just11364RBjust the11365DTthe bare11366JJbare work11367NNwork of11368INof someone11369NNsomeone who11370WPwho happens11371VVZhappen to11372TOto be11373VBbe a11374DTa legal11375JJlegal editor11376NNeditor at11377INat Westlaw11378NNWestlaw or11379CCor something11380NNsomething like11381INlike that11382DTthat .11383SENT. [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]11384LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] But11385CCbut that11386WDTthat would11387MDwould be11388VBbe a11389DTa mistake11390NNmistake ,11391,, right11392RBright ?11393SENT? I11394PPI mean11395VVPmean ,11396,, is11397VBZbe n't11398RBn't that11399DTthat ...11400:... it11401PPit would11402MDwould be11403VBbe a11404DTa mistake11405NNmistake to11406TOto attribute11407VVattribute the11408DTthe significance11409NNsignificance to11410TOto it11411PPit .11412SENT. [MR. CITRON]11413LOC[MR. CITRON] I11414PPI do11415VVPdo n't11416RBn't know11417VVknow if11418INif it11419PPit would11420MDwould be11421VBbe a11422DTa mistake11423NNmistake or11424CCor not11425RBnot .11426SENT. [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]11427LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] Under11428INunder ...11429:... under11430INunder state11431NNstate law11432NNlaw ,11433,, it11434PPit would11435MDwould be11436VBbe a11437DTa mistake11438NNmistake .11439SENT. [MR. CITRON]11440LOC[MR. CITRON] I11441PPI mean11442VVPmean ,11443,, what11444WDTwhat ...11445:... what11446WPwhat they11447PPthey did11448VVDdo was11449VBDbe attribute11450NNattribute significance11451NNsignificance to11452TOto the11453DTthe fact11454NNfact that11455IN/thatthat you11456PPyou could11457MDcould find11458VVfind it11459PPit there11460RBthere in11461INin the11462DTthe manual11463NNmanual ,11464,, when11465WRBwhen they11466PPthey were11467VBDbe trying11468VVGtry to11469TOto figure11470VVfigure out11471RPout ...11472:... [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]11473LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] But11474CCbut ,11475,, under11476INunder state11477NNstate law11478NNlaw ...11479:... [MR. CITRON]11480LOC[MR. CITRON] ...11481:... what11482WPwhat would11483MDwould be11484VBbe ...11485:... [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]11486LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] ...11487:... is11488VBZbe n't11489RBn't that11490DTthat ...11491:... that11492WDTthat 's11493VBZbe wrong11494JJwrong .11495SENT. [MR. CITRON]11496LOC[MR. CITRON] Well11497UHWell ,11498,, no11499UHno ,11500,, the11501DTthe state11502NNstate law11503NNlaw would11504MDwould say11505VVsay that11506IN/thatthat it11507PPit would11508MDwould be11509VBbe wrong11510JJwrong in11511INin construing11512VVGconstrue the11513DTthe meaning11514NNmeaning of11515INof that11516DTthat statute11517NNstatute ,11518,, but11519CCbut it11520PPit is11521VBZbe n't11522RBn't necessarily11523RBnecessarily wrong11524JJwrong for11525INfor figuring11526VVGfigure out11527RPout what11528WPwhat 's11529POS's excusable11530JJexcusable neglect11531NNneglect ,11532,, right11533RBright ?11534SENT? Whether11535INwhether it11536PPit 's11537VBZbe good11538JJgood lawyering11539VVGlawyer or11540CCor bad11541JJbad lawyering11542VVGlawyer ,11543,, not11544RBnot to11545TOto look11546VVlook at11547INat the11548DTthe annotations11549NNSannotation in11550INin the11551DTthe OCGA11552NPOCGA is11553VBZbe n't11554RBn't governed11555VVNgovern by11556INby the11557DTthe statute11558NNstatute .11559SENT. The11560DTthe statute11561NNstatute does11562VVZdo n't11563RBn't say11564VVsay ...11565:... Section11566NNsection 1-1-111567CD@card@ does11568VVZdo n't11569RBn't say11570VVsay anything11571NNanything about11572INabout that11573DTthat .11574SENT. [CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS]11575LOC[CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS] Well11576UHWell ,11577,, but11578CCbut it11579PPit would11580MDwould also11581RBalso be11582VBbe pertinent11583JJpertinent to11584TOto the11585DTthe question11586NNquestion of11587INof excusable11588JJexcusable neglect11589NNneglect to11590TOto look11591VVlook at11592INat what11593WPwhat ,11594,, you11595PPyou know11596VVPknow ,11597,, all11598PDTall the11599DTthe treatises11600NNStreatise said11601VVDsay .11602SENT. I11603PPI mean11604VVPmean ,11605,, if11606INif I11607PPI 'm11608VBPbe writing11609VVGwrite an11610DTan opinion11611NNopinion about11612RBabout whether11613INwhether the11614DTthe lawyer11615NNlawyer should11616MDshould have11617VHhave known11618VVNknow that11619IN/thatthat ,11620,, I11621PPI would11622MDwould say11623VVsay every11624DTevery ...11625:... all11626PDTall the11627DTthe treatises11628NNStreatise about11629INabout Georgia11630NPGeorgia law11631NNlaw ,11632,, you11633PPyou know11634VVPknow ,11635,, highlight11636VVhighlight the11637DTthe fact11638NNfact that11639IN/thatthat you11640PPyou 've11641VHPhave got11642VVNget to11643TOto file11644VVfile a11645DTa response11646NNresponse .11647SENT. [MR. CITRON]11648LOC[MR. CITRON] I11649PPI ...11650:... I11651PPI think11652VVPthink you11653PPyou and11654CCand I11655PPI may11656MDmay have11657VHhave different11658JJdifferent instincts11659NNSinstinct about11660INabout that11661DTthat .11662SENT. I11663PPI think11664VVPthink it11665PPit would11666MDwould be11667VBbe more11668RBRmore appropriate11669JJappropriate for11670INfor a11671DTa judge11672NNjudge to11673TOto say11674VVsay ,11675,, well11676UHwell ,11677,, look11678VVlook ,11679,, in11680INin the11681DTthe official11682JJofficial state11683NNstate legal11684JJlegal code11685NNcode ,11686,, there11687EXthere are11688VBPbe annotations11689NNSannotation that11690WDTthat point11691VVPpoint to11692TOto the11693DTthe rule11694NNrule that11695IN/thatthat you11696PPyou neglected11697VVDneglect .11698SENT. And11699CCand I11700PPI think11701VVPthink that11702WDTthat 's11703VBZbe more11704RBRmore persuasive11705JJpersuasive .11706SENT. That11707DTthat 's11708VBZbe different11709JJdifferent than11710INthan saying11711VVGsay ,11712,, well11713RBwell ,11714,, if11715INif you11716PPyou happen11717VVPhappen to11718TOto look11719VVlook at11720INat the11721DTthe uncodification11722NNuncodification that11723IN/thatthat Westlaw11724NPWestlaw does11725VVZdo ,11726,, there11727EXthere 's11728VBZbe an11729DTan indication11730NNindication that11731IN/thatthat that11732DTthat rule11733NNrule exists11734VVZexist .11735SENT. That11736DTthat 's11737VBZbe the11738DTthe difference11739NNdifference .11740SENT. [CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS]11741LOC[CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS] Thank11742VVthank you11743PPyou ,11744,, counsel11745NNcounsel .11746SENT. Three11747CDThree minutes11748NNSminute ,11749,, Mr11750NPMr .11751SENT. Johnson11752NPJohnson .11753SENT.

[MR. JOHNSON]11754LOC[MR. JOHNSON] I11755PPI want11756VVPwant to11757TOto start11758VVstart briefly11759RBbriefly by11760INby talking11761VVGtalk about11762INabout the11763DTthe different11764JJdifferent portions11765NNSportion of11766INof the11767DTthe OCGA11768NPOCGA ,11769,, things11770NNSthing like11771INlike editors11772NNSeditor '11773POS' notes11774NNSnote .11775SENT. We11776PPwe talked11777VVDtalk in11778INin our11779PP$our brief11780NNbrief about11781INabout why11782WRBwhy the11783DTthe editors11784NNSeditor '11785POS' notes11786NNSnote should11787MDshould be11788VBbe copyrightable11789JJcopyrightable ,11790,, why11791WRBwhy the11792DTthe Dominiak11793NPDominiak case11794NNcase that11795IN/thatthat my11796PP$my friend11797NNfriend on11798INon the11799DTthe other11800JJother side11801NNside just11802RBjust was11803VBDbe describing11804VVGdescribe does11805VVZdo n't11806RBn't undermine11807VVundermine our11808PP$our copyright11809NNcopyright claim11810NNclaim .11811SENT. But11812CCbut I11813PPI think11814VVPthink the11815DTthe crucial11816JJcrucial point11817NNpoint on11818INon this11819DTthis is11820VBZbe that11821DTthat PRO11822NNpro copied11823VVDcopy the11824DTthe entirety11825NNentirety of11826INof the11827DTthe OCGA11828NPOCGA ,11829,, including11830VVGinclude the11831DTthe judicial11832JJjudicial decision11833NNdecision summaries11834NNSsummary that11835WDTthat I11836PPI think11837VVPthink are11838VBPbe clearly11839RBclearly copyrightable11840JJcopyrightable under11841INunder Wheaton11842NPWheaton and11843CCand Callaghan11844NPCallaghan .11845SENT. So11846INso PRO11847FWpro has11848VHZhave to11849TOto run11850VVrun the11851DTthe table11852NNtable on11853INon all11854DTall portions11855NNSportion of11856INof the11857DTthe OCGA11858NPOCGA to11859TOto get11860VVget an11861DTan affirmance11862NNaffirmance here11863RBhere ,11864,, and11865CCand I11866PPI just11867RBjust do11868VVPdo n't11869RBn't think11870VVthink that11871IN/thatthat they11872PPthey can11873MDcan .11874SENT. The11875DTthe PRO11876NNpro 's11877POS's main11878JJmain argument11879NNargument seems11880VVZseem to11881TOto be11882VBbe that11883IN/thatthat the11884DTthe fact11885NNfact that11886IN/thatthat the11887DTthe OCGA11888NPOCGA is11889VBZbe official11890JJofficial means11891VVZmean that11892IN/thatthat it11893PPit cannot11894MDcan be11895VBbe copyrightable11896JJcopyrightable .11897SENT. And11898CCand I11899PPI just11900RBjust do11901VVPdo n't11902RBn't think11903VVthink that11904IN/thatthat that11905DTthat 's11906VBZbe consistent11907JJconsistent with11908INwith history11909NNhistory or11910CCor this11911DTthis Court11912NPCourt 's11913POS's precedents11914NNSprecedent .11915SENT. Again11916RBagain ,11917,, going11918VVGgo back11919RBback to11920TOto Wheaton11921NPWheaton and11922CCand Callaghan11923NPCallaghan ,11924,, you11925PPyou had11926VHDhave official11927JJofficial court11928NNcourt reporters11929NNSreporter holding11930VVGhold copyright11931NNcopyright in11932INin annotations11933NNSannotation .11934SENT. And11935CCand given11936VVNgive that11937IN/thatthat those11938DTthose were11939VBDbe government11940NNgovernment officials11941NNSofficial ,11942,, I11943PPI just11944RBjust do11945VVPdo n't11946RBn't think11947VVthink that11948IN/thatthat it11949PPit can11950MDcan make11951VVmake a11952DTa difference11953NNdifference here11954RBhere that11955IN/thatthat the11956DTthe state11957NNstate is11958VBZbe the11959DTthe one11960CDone holding11961NNholding the11962DTthe copyright11963NNcopyright .11964SENT. I11965PPI think11966VVPthink that11967IN/thatthat this11968DTthis case11969NNcase is11970VBZbe the11971DTthe legislative11972JJlegislative analogue11973NNanalogue of11974INof Wheaton11975NPWheaton and11976CCand Callaghan11977NPCallaghan .11978SENT. But11979CCbut I11980PPI think11981VVPthink it11982PPit 's11983VBZbe also11984RBalso important11985JJimportant to11986TOto look11987VVlook at11988INat the11989DTthe history11990NNhistory of11991INof the11992DTthe Copyright11993NPCopyright Act11994NPAct .11995SENT. So11996INso the11997DTthe Copyright11998NPCopyright Office11999NPOffice in12000INin the12001DTthe 195912002CD@card@ study12003NNstudy and12004CCand 196112005CD@card@ report12006NNreport interpreted12007VVDinterpret the12008DTthe 19th12009JJ19th century12010NNcentury precedents12011NNSprecedent we12012PPwe 're12013VBPbe talking12014VVGtalk about12015RBabout here12016RBhere as12017INas holding12018VVGhold that12019IN/thatthat states12020NNSstate could12021MDcould hold12022VVhold copyright12023NNcopyright in12024INin annotations12025NNSannotation by12026INby state12027NNstate government12028NNgovernment employees12029NNSemployee ,12030,, and12031CCand then12032RBthen Congress12033NPCongress passed12034VVDpass the12035DTthe modern12036JJmodern Copyright12037NPCopyright Act12038NPAct without12039INwithout in12040INin any12041DTany way12042NNway overriding12043VVGoverride that12044IN/thatthat understanding12045VVGunderstand or12046CCor expanding12047VVGexpand the12048DTthe government12049NNgovernment edicts12050NNSedict doctrine12051NNdoctrine .12052SENT. Under12053INunder that12054DTthat understanding12055NNunderstanding ,12056,, we12057PPwe win12058VVPwin here12059RBhere .12060SENT. And12061CCand then12062RBthen the12063DTthe final12064JJfinal point12065NNpoint that12066IN/thatthat I12067PPI want12068VVPwant to12069TOto touch12070VVtouch on12071INon is12072VBZbe how12073WRBhow affirming12074VVGaffirm the12075DTthe decision12076NNdecision below12077RBbelow would12078MDwould be12079VBbe very12080RBvery disruptive12081JJdisruptive for12082INfor states12083NNSstate .12084SENT. So12085RBso about12086INabout a12087DTa third12088JJthird of12089INof states12090NNSstate have12091VHPhave the12092DTthe same12093JJsame regime12094NNregime as12095INas Georgia12096NPGeorgia .12097SENT. They12098PPthey claim12099VVPclaim copyright12100NNcopyright in12101INin annotations12102NNSannotation to12103TOto an12104DTan annotated12105VVNannotate official12106NNofficial code12107NNcode by12108INby commercial12109JJcommercial publishers12110NNSpublisher .12111SENT. So12112RBso affirming12113VVGaffirm the12114DTthe decision12115NNdecision below12116RBbelow would12117MDwould blow12118VVblow up12119RPup those12120DTthose regimes12121NNSregime .12122SENT. There12123EXthere are12124VBPbe at12125INat least12126JJSleast two12127CDtwo additional12128JJadditional states12129NNSstate that12130WDTthat claim12131VVPclaim copyright12132NNcopyright in12133INin annotations12134NNSannotation by12135INby state12136NNstate government12137NNgovernment employees12138NNSemployee and12139CCand five12140CDfive other12141JJother states12142NNSstate where12143WRBwhere the12144DTthe commercial12145JJcommercial publisher12146NNpublisher holds12147VVZhold the12148DTthe copyright12149NNcopyright in12150INin the12151DTthe annotated12152VVNannotate official12153NNofficial code12154NNcode .12155SENT. Those12156DTthose regimes12157NNSregime would12158MDwould probably12159RBprobably also12160RBalso fall12161VVfall if12162INif the12163DTthe court12164NNcourt 's12165POS's decision12166NNdecision below12167RBbelow was12168VBDbe affirmed12169VVNaffirm .12170SENT. So12171RBso I12172PPI think12173VVPthink that12174IN/thatthat statutory12175JJstatutory text12176NNtext and12177CCand precedent12178NNprecedent compel12179VVPcompel a12180DTa decision12181NNdecision for12182INfor Georgia12183NPGeorgia here12184RBhere .12185SENT. Any12186DTany innovations12187NNSinnovation on12188INon the12189DTthe government12190NNgovernment edicts12191NNSedict doctrine12192NNdoctrine should12193MDshould come12194VVcome from12195INfrom Congress12196NPCongress ,12197,, not12198RBnot the12199DTthe courts12200NNScourt .12201SENT. The12202DTthe Court12203NPCourt should12204MDshould reverse12205VVreverse .12206SENT. [CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS]12207LOC[CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS] Thank12208VVthank you12209PPyou ,12210,, counsel12211NNcounsel .12212SENT. The12213DTthe case12214NNcase is12215VBZbe submitted12216VVNsubmit .12217SENT.