[MR. HICKS]21LOC[MR. HICKS] Thank22VVthank you23PPyou ,24,, Mr25NPMr .26SENT. Chief27NPChief Justice28NPJustice ,29,, and30CCand may31MDmay it32PPit please33VVplease the34DTthe Court35NPCourt :36:: In37INin 186838CD@card@ ,39,, the40DTthe Crow41NPCrow Tribe42NPTribe of43INof Indians44NPSIndians agreed45VVDagree to46TOto cede47VVcede to48TOto the49DTthe United50NPUnited States51NPSStates 3052CD@card@ million53CDmillion acres54NNSacre of55INof its56PP$its aboriginal57JJaboriginal land58NNland and59CCand move60NNmove to61TOto a62DTa reservation63NNreservation .64SENT. In65INin exchange66NNexchange for67INfor ceding68VVGcede its69PP$its land70NNland ,71,, the72DTthe tribe73NNtribe expressly74RBexpressly reserved75VVDreserve the76DTthe right77NNright to78TOto hunt79VVhunt on80INon that81DTthat ceded82VVNcede land83NNland .84SENT. The85DTthe text86NNtext of87INof the88DTthe 186889CD@card@ treaty90NNtreaty memorializing91VVGmemorialize this92DTthis agreement93NNagreement explicitly94RBexplicitly identifies95VVZidentify the96DTthe four97CDfour events98NNSevent that99WDTthat would100MDwould cause101VVcause the102DTthe hunting103NNhunting right104RBright to105TOto terminate106VVterminate .107SENT. Wyoming108NPWyoming 's109POS's admission110NNadmission to111TOto the112DTthe Union113NPUnion is114VBZbe not115RBnot among116INamong them117PPthem .118SENT. Therefore119RBtherefore ,120,, the121DTthe only122JJonly way123NNway that124IN/thatthat Wyoming125NPWyoming 's126POS's statehood127NNstatehood could128MDcould have129VHhave terminated130VVNterminate the131DTthe hunting132NNhunting right133NNright is134VBZbe by135INby implication136NNimplication ,137,, but138CCbut that139DTthat is140VBZbe the141DTthe very142JJvery theory143NNtheory that144IN/thatthat this145DTthis Court146NPCourt repeatedly147RBrepeatedly rejected148VVDreject in149INin Minnesota150NPMinnesota v151NNv .152SENT. Mille153NPMille Lacs154NPLacs Band155NPBand of156INof Chippewa157NPChippewa Indians158NPSIndians .159SENT. And160CCand while161INwhile the162DTthe treaty163NNtreaty does164VVZdo provide165VVprovide that166IN/thatthat the167DTthe right168NNright would169MDwould terminate170VVterminate if171INif the172DTthe lands173NNSland were174VBDbe no175RBno longer176RBRlonger unoccupied177JJunoccupied ,178,, President179NPPresident Cleveland180NPCleveland 's181POS's 1897182CD@card@ proclamation183NNproclamation creating184VVGcreate the185DTthe Bighorn186NNbighorn National187NPNational Forest188NPForest did189VVDdo not190RBnot suddenly191RBsuddenly render192VVrender all193RBall 1194CD1 .195SENT. 1196CD1 million197CDmillion acres198NNSacre of199INof the200DTthe land201NNland comprising202VVGcomprise the203DTthe forest204NNforest occupied205VVNoccupy as206INas the207DTthe parties208NNSparty to209TOto the210DTthe treaty211NNtreaty understood212VVDunderstand that213DTthat term214NNterm .215SENT. As216INas a217DTa result218NNresult ,219,, the220DTthe treaty221NNtreaty right222RBright has223VHZhave not224RBnot terminated225VVNterminate ,226,, and227CCand Petitioner228NNpetitioner should229MDshould have230VHhave been231VBNbe permitted232VVNpermit to233TOto invoke234VVinvoke that235DTthat right236NNright during237INduring his238PP$his criminal239JJcriminal prosecution240NNprosecution for241INfor hunting242NNhunting in243INin the244DTthe Bighorn245NNbighorn National246NPNational Forest247NPForest .248SENT. Before249INbefore this250DTthis Court251NPCourt ,252,, Wyoming253NPWyoming largely254RBlargely disregards255VVZdisregard Mille256NPMille Lacs257NPLacs and258CCand urges259VVZurge this260DTthis Court261NPCourt to262TOto rely263VVrely on264INon its265PP$its 1896266CD@card@ decision267NNdecision in268INin Ward269NPWard v270NNv .271SENT. Race272NPRace Horse273NPHorse .274SENT. But275CCbut Mille276NPMille Lacs277NPLacs repudiated278VVDrepudiate the279DTthe reasoning280NNreasoning that281WDTthat led282VVDlead to283TOto the284DTthe outcome285NNoutcome in286INin Race287NPRace Horse288NPHorse .289SENT. From290INfrom Race291NPRace Horse292NPHorse 's293POS's reliance294NNreliance on295INon the296DTthe equal297JJequal footing298NNfooting doctrine299NNdoctrine to300TOto its301PP$its characterization302NNcharacterization of303INof treaty304NNtreaty rights305NNSright as306INas temporary307JJtemporary and308CCand precarious309JJprecarious ...310:... [JUSTICE GORSUCH]311LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] But312CCbut ...313:... [MR. HICKS]314LOC[MR. HICKS] ...315:... to316TOto its317PP$its belief318NNbelief that319IN/thatthat states320NNSstate ...321:... [JUSTICE ALITO]322LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] Even323RBeven if324INif you325PPyou were326VBDbe right327JJright about328INabout Race329NPRace Horse330NPHorse ,331,, why332WRBwhy is333VBZbe n't334RBn't your335PP$your client336NNclient bound337VVNbind by338INby the339DTthe judgment340NNjudgment of341INof the342DTthe Tenth343JJtenth Circuit344NNcircuit in345INin Repsis346NPRepsis and347CCand ,348,, in349INin particular350JJparticular ,351,, its352PP$its disposition353NNdisposition of354INof the355DTthe question356NNquestion whether357INwhether the358DTthe land359NNland is360VBZbe occupied361VVNoccupy ?362SENT? [MR. HICKS]363LOC[MR. HICKS] Justice364NPJustice Alito365NPAlito ,366,, a367DTa few368JJfew responses369NNSresponse for370INfor that371DTthat .372SENT. First373JJfirst of374INof all375DTall ,376,, the377DTthe ...378:... the379DTthe issue380NNissue of381INof whether382INwhether the383DTthe Tenth384JJtenth Circu385NPCircu it386PPit 's387VBZbe alternative388JJalternative determination389NNdetermination has390VHZhave preclusive391JJpreclusive effect392NNeffect was393VBDbe not394RBnot pressed395VVNpress or396CCor passed397VVNpass on398INon below399RBbelow .400SENT. There401EXthere 's402VBZbe nothing403NNnothing in404INin the405DTthe decisions406NNSdecision of407INof the408DTthe state409NNstate courts410NNScourt that411WDTthat address412VVPaddress the413DTthe preclusive414JJpreclusive effect415NNeffect of416INof that417DTthat alternative418JJalternative determination419NNdetermination .420SENT. And421CCand this422DTthis Court423NPCourt typically424RBtypically does425VVZdo not426RBnot address427VVaddress questions428NNSquestion from429INfrom state430NNstate courts431NNScourt that432WDTthat have433VHPhave not434RBnot been435VBNbe pressed436VVNpress or437CCor passed438VVNpass on439INon .440SENT. [JUSTICE ALITO]441LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] So442INso that443DTthat ...444:... that445WDTthat would446MDwould be447VBbe available448JJavailable to449TOto the450DTthe state451NNstate to452TOto argue453VVargue on454INon remand455NNremand if456INif you457PPyou were458VBDbe to459TOto prevail460VVprevail on461INon the462DTthe other463JJother issues464NNSissue ?465SENT? [MR. HICKS]466LOC[MR. HICKS] Well467UHwell ,468,, I469PPI think470VVPthink that471IN/thatthat the472DTthe ...473:... the474DTthe state475NNstate has476VHZhave likely477RBlikely forfeited478VVNforfeit that479IN/thatthat as480INas a481DTa matter482NNmatter of483INof state484NNstate law485NNlaw ,486,, but487CCbut I488PPI also489RBalso think490VVPthink that491IN/thatthat there492EXthere are493VBPbe other494JJother reasons495NNSreason why496WRBwhy an497DTan exception498NNexception to499TOto preclusion500NNpreclusion would501MDwould not502RBnot apply503VVapply .504SENT. I505PPI mean506VVPmean ...507:... [JUSTICE ALITO]508LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] What509WPWhat 's510VHZhave your511PP$your best512JJSgood reason513NNreason ?514SENT? [MR. HICKS]515LOC[MR. HICKS] Primarily516RBprimarily ,517,, it518PPit 's519VBZbe that520IN/thatthat the521DTthe tribe522NNtribe did523VVDdo not524RBnot have525VHhave a526DTa full527JJfull and528CCand fair529JJfair opportunity530NNopportunity to531TOto litigate532VVlitigate this533DTthis issue534NNissue in535INin Repsis536NNRepsis because537INbecause it538PPit was539VBDbe not540RBnot raised541VVNraise in542INin the543DTthe Repsis544NPRepsis district545NNdistrict court546NNcourt .547SENT. It548PPit was549VBDbe raised550VVNraise for551INfor the552DTthe first553JJfirst time554NNtime in555INin the556DTthe court557NNcourt of558INof appeals559NNSappeal ,560,, and561CCand the562DTthe court563NNcourt of564INof appeals565NNSappeal '566POS' determination567NNdetermination in568INin the569DTthe first570JJfirst instance571NNinstance was572VBDbe not573RBnot only574RBonly one575CDone of576INof several577JJseveral alternative578JJalternative determinations579NNSdetermination ;580:; it581PPit was582VBDbe n't583RBn't subject584JJsubject to585TOto plenary586JJplenary appellate587JJappellate review588NNreview .589SENT. [JUSTICE ALITO]590LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] Well591UHWell ,592,, those593DTthose are594VBPbe several595JJseveral reasons596NNSreason .597SENT. The598DTthe ...599:... there600EXthere was601VBDbe not602RBnot a603DTa fair604JJfair opportunity605NNopportunity to606TOto raise607VVraise the608DTthe issue609NNissue in610INin the611DTthe Tenth612JJtenth Circuit613NNcircuit ?614SENT? [MR. HICKS]615LOC[MR. HICKS] Well616UHwell ,617,, I618PPI think619VVPthink that620IN/thatthat there621EXthere was622VBDbe not623RBnot the624DTthe full625JJfull and626CCand fair627JJfair opportunity628NNopportunity to629TOto litigate630VVlitigate that631DTthat question632NNquestion that633IN/thatthat this634DTthis Court635NPCourt requires636VVZrequire before637INbefore it638PPit gives639VVZgive preclusive640JJpreclusive effect641NNeffect .642SENT. [JUSTICE ALITO]643LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] Why644NPWhy ...645:... why646WRBwhy not647RBnot ?648SENT? Why649WRBwhy not650RBnot in651INin the652DTthe Tenth653JJtenth Circuit654NNcircuit ?655SENT? Why656WRBwhy did657VVDdo n't658RBn't they659PPthey have660VHPhave a661DTa fair662NNfair and663CCand ...664:... a665DTa full666JJfull and667CCand fair668JJfair opportunity669NNopportunity in670INin the671DTthe Tenth672JJtenth Circuit673NNcircuit ?674SENT? [MR. HICKS]675LOC[MR. HICKS] Well676UHWell ,677,, to678TOto begin679VVbegin with680INwith ,681,, I682PPI do683VVPdo n't684RBn't know685VVknow if686INif the687DTthe full688JJfull ...689:... [JUSTICE ALITO]690LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] They691PPthey did692VVDdo n't693RBn't allow694VVallow briefs695NNSbrief ?696SENT? They697PPthey did698VVDdo n't699RBn't allow700VVallow arguments701NNSargument ?702SENT? They703PPthey did704VVDdo n't705RBn't want706VVwant to707TOto listen708VVlisten to709TOto anything710NNanything that711WDTthat ...712:... that713IN/thatthat the714DTthe tribe715NNtribe had716VHDhave to717TOto say718VVsay ?719SENT? [MR. HICKS]720LOC[MR. HICKS] Well721UHWell ,722,, primarily723RBprimarily because724INbecause this725DTthis particular726JJparticular argument727NNargument ,728,, that729IN/thatthat the730DTthe creation731NNcreation of732INof the733DTthe national734JJnational forest735NNforest in736INin and737CCand of738INof itself739PPitself rendered740VVDrender the741DTthe entire742JJentire land743NNland occupied744VVDoccupy so745RBso that746IN/thatthat the747DTthe treaty748NNtreaty right749NNright was750VBDbe terminated751VVNterminate ,752,, was753VBDbe ,754,, I755PPI believe756VVPbelieve ,757,, one758CDone page759NNpage of760INof Wyoming761NPWyoming 's762POS's response763NNresponse brief764NNbrief in765INin ...766:... on767INon an768DTan issue769NNissue that770WDTthat was771VBDbe never772RBnever raised773VVNraise in774INin the775DTthe district776NNdistrict court777NNcourt .778SENT. And779CCand so780RBso the781DTthe only782JJonly thing783NNthing that784IN/thatthat the785DTthe tribe786NNtribe had787VHDhave to788TOto respond789VVrespond to790TOto that791WDTthat was792VBDbe limited793VVNlimit space794NNspace in795INin a796DTa reply797NNreply brief798NNbrief where799WRBwhere it800PPit had801VHDhave to802TOto respond803VVrespond to804TOto all805DTall of806INof the807DTthe other808JJother arguments809NNSargument that810IN/thatthat Wyoming811NPWyoming had812VHDhave made813VVNmake ,814,, principally815RBprincipally on816INon the817DTthe issue818NNissue that819IN/thatthat the820DTthe district821NNdistrict court822NNcourt had823VHDhave actually824RBactually addressed825VVNaddress .826SENT. [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]827LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] Could828MDcould you829PPyou ...830:... [JUSTICE KAGAN]831LOC[JUSTICE KAGAN] Mr832NPMr .833SENT. Hicks834NPHicks ,835,, are836VBPbe ...837:... are838VBPbe you839PPyou asking840VVGask us841PPus to842TOto decide843VVdecide that844DTthat issue845NNissue ,846,, or847CCor are848VBPbe you849PPyou asking850VVGask us851PPus to852TOto remand853VVremand on854INon that855DTthat issue856NNissue ?857SENT? [MR. HICKS]858LOC[MR. HICKS] I859PPI think860VVPthink there861EXthere are862VBPbe several863JJseveral reasons864NNSreason why865WRBwhy you866PPyou can867MDcan decide868VVdecide that869IN/thatthat there870EXthere was871VBDbe no872DTno preclusive873JJpreclusive effect874NNeffect to875TOto the876DTthe Tenth877JJtenth Circu878NPCircu it879PPit 's880VBZbe determination881NNdetermination ,882,, among883INamong them884PPthem ,885,, that886IN/thatthat it887PPit was888VBDbe forfeited889VVNforfeit ;890:; among891INamong them892PPthem ,893,, that894IN/thatthat it895PPit was896VBDbe not897RBnot a898DTa full899JJfull and900CCand fair901JJfair opportunity902NNopportunity so903INso that904WDTthat it905PPit qualifies906VVZqualify for907INfor that908DTthat exception909NNexception ,910,, but911CCbut also912RBalso that913IN/thatthat that914DTthat particular915JJparticular determination916NNdetermination in917INin the918DTthe first919JJfirst instance920NNinstance was921VBDbe not922RBnot subject923JJsubject to924TOto the925DTthe plenary926JJplenary appellate927JJappellate review928NNreview this929DTthis Court930NPCourt requires931VVZrequire .932SENT. [JUSTICE KAGAN]933LOC[JUSTICE KAGAN] If934INif ...935:... if936INif ...937:... if938INif your939PP$your primary940JJprimary argument941NNargument is942VBZbe that943IN/thatthat it944PPit was945VBDbe forfeited946VVNforfeit ,947,, and948CCand I949PPI think950VVPthink you951PPyou ...952:... you953PPyou have954VHPhave some955DTsome good956JJgood grounds957NNSground for958INfor thinking959VVGthink that960IN/thatthat ,961,, but962CCbut given963VVNgive that964IN/thatthat that965DTthat is966VBZbe a967DTa state968NNstate law969NNlaw matter970NNmatter ,971,, why972WRBwhy would973MDwould n't974RBn't we975PPwe remand976VVPremand to977TOto the978DTthe Wyoming979NPWyoming courts980NNScourt to981TOto decide982VVdecide that983DTthat forfeiture984NNforfeiture question985NNquestion ?986SENT? [MR. HICKS]987LOC[MR. HICKS] Well988UHWell ,989,, because990INbecause I991PPI think992VVPthink typically993RBtypically what994WPwhat this995DTthis Court996NPCourt does997VVZdo when998WRBwhen a999DTa ...1000:... an1001DTan issue1002NNissue has1003VHZhave not1004RBnot been1005VBNbe raised1006VVNraise or1007CCor pressed1008VVNpress on1009INon below1010INbelow is1011VBZbe it1012PPit ...1013:... is1014VBZbe it1015PPit does1016VVZdo n't1017RBn't allow1018VVallow the1019DTthe consideration1020NNconsideration of1021INof it1022PPit here1023RBhere .1024SENT. So1025RBso I1026PPI do1027VVPdo n't1028RBn't think1029VVthink there1030EXthere 's1031VBZbe any1032DTany reason1033NNreason to1034TOto remand1035VVremand for1036INfor consideration1037NNconsideration of1038INof that1039DTthat in1040INin the1041DTthe first1042JJfirst instance1043NNinstance .1044SENT. But1045CCbut I1046PPI think1047VVPthink you1048PPyou can1049MDcan go1050VVgo on1051INon to1052TOto address1053VVaddress that1054IN/thatthat ,1055,, you1056PPyou know1057VVPknow ,1058,, as1059INas a1060DTa matter1061NNmatter of1062INof an1063DTan exception1064NNexception to1065TOto preclusion1066NNpreclusion law1067NNlaw .1068SENT. I1069PPI mean1070VVPmean ,1071,, I1072PPI think1073VVPthink that1074IN/thatthat there1075EXthere are1076VBPbe several1077JJseveral reasons1078NNSreason why1079WRBwhy that1080WDTthat would1081MDwould n't1082RBn't be1083VBbe given1084VVNgive preclusive1085JJpreclusive effect1086NNeffect .1087SENT. [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]1088LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] I1089PPI 'm1090VBPbe a1091DTa little1092RBlittle confused1093VVNconfuse .1094SENT. What1095WPWhat was1096VBDbe forfeited1097VVNforfeit when1098WRBwhen ?1099SENT? You1100PPyou did1101VVDdo n't1102RBn't ...1103:... you1104PPyou ...1105:... you1106PPyou 're1107VBPbe arguing1108VVGargue you1109PPyou did1110VVDdo n't1111RBn't get1112VVget a1113DTa fair1114JJfair and1115CCand full1116JJfull opportunity1117NNopportunity to1118TOto litigate1119VVlitigate this1120DTthis in1121INin Repsis1122NPRepsis ?1123SENT? In1124INin Repsis1125NNRepsis ,1126,, there1127EXthere was1128VBDbe n't1129RBn't a1130DTa fair1131JJfair opportunity1132NNopportunity ?1133SENT? [MR. HICKS]1134LOC[MR. HICKS] That1135DTthat ...1136:... it1137PPit is1138VBZbe that1139IN/thatthat the1140DTthe tribe1141NNtribe did1142VVDdo not1143RBnot have1144VHhave the1145DTthe required1146VVNrequire full1147JJfull and1148CCand fair1149JJfair opportunity1150NNopportunity ,1151,, among1152INamong the1153DTthe reasons1154NNSreason ,1155,, in1156INin the1157DTthe Tenth1158JJtenth Circuit1159NNcircuit .1160SENT. [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]1161LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] All1162DTall right1163NNright .1164SENT. Was1165VBDbe that1166IN/thatthat because1167INbecause when1168WRBwhen the1169DTthe Tenth1170NNtenth ...1171:... I1172PPI thought1173VVDthink the1174DTthe Tenth1175JJtenth Circuit1176NNcircuit there1177RBthere asked1178VVDask for1179INfor further1180JJRfurther briefing1181NNbriefing ,1182,, correct1183JJcorrect ?1184SENT? [MR. HICKS]1185LOC[MR. HICKS] No1186NPNo ,1187,, they1188PPthey did1189VVDdo not1190RBnot ,1191,, Your1192PP$your Honor1193NPHonor .1194SENT. [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]1195LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] Oh1196NPOh .1197SENT. [MR. HICKS]1198LOC[MR. HICKS] There1199EXthere was1200VBDbe no1201DTno further1202JJRfurther briefing1203NNbriefing in1204INin ...1205:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]1206LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] In1207INin the1208DTthe ...1209:... [MR. HICKS]1210LOC[MR. HICKS] You1211PPyou 're1212VBPbe thinking1213VVGthink of1214INof the1215DTthe decision1216NNdecision below1217RBbelow ...1218:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]1219LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] Right1220RBright .1221SENT. [MR. HICKS]1222LOC[MR. HICKS] ...1223:... and1224CCand the1225DTthe Wyoming1226NPWyoming state1227NNstate courts1228NNScourt asked1229VVNask for1230INfor supplemental1231JJsupplemental briefing1232NNbriefing on1233INon whether1234INwhether there1235EXthere was1236VBDbe issue1237NNissue preclusion1238NNpreclusion .1239SENT. [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]1240LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] Oh1241NPOh ,1242,, okay1243JJokay .1244SENT. [MR. HICKS]1245LOC[MR. HICKS] And1246CCand in1247INin response1248NNresponse ,1249,, the1250DTthe State1251NPState of1252INof Wyoming1253NPWyoming in1254INin this1255DTthis case1256NNcase did1257VVDdo not1258RBnot ever1259RBever raise1260VVraise this1261DTthis as1262INas a1263DTa ground1264NNground for1265INfor why1266WRBwhy there1267EXthere should1268MDshould be1269VBbe preclusive1270JJpreclusive effect1271NNeffect given1272VVNgive to1273TOto anything1274NNanything in1275INin the1276DTthe Repsis1277NPRepsis litigation1278NNlitigation .1279SENT. [JUSTICE ALITO]1280LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] Well1281UHwell ,1282,, I1283PPI 'll1284MDwill tell1285VVtell you1286PPyou what1287WPwhat troubles1288VVZtrouble me1289PPme about1290INabout your1291PP$your position1292NNposition here1293RBhere and1294CCand your1295PP$your argument1296NNargument that1297IN/thatthat we1298PPwe should1299MDshould decide1300VVdecide these1301DTthese issue1302NNissue preclusion1303NNpreclusion questions1304NNSquestion .1305SENT. This1306DTthis is1307VBZbe like1308INlike a1309DTa little1310JJlittle ...1311:... you1312PPyou know1313VVPknow ,1314,, a1315DTa couple1316NNcouple of1317INof classes1318NNSclass in1319INin law1320NNlaw school1321NNschool on1322INon issue1323NNissue preclusion1324NNpreclusion ,1325,, and1326CCand you1327PPyou and1328CCand the1329DTthe ...1330:... and1331CCand the1332DTthe ...1333:... the1334DTthe government1335NNgovernment have1336VHPhave raised1337VVNraise significant1338JJsignificant issue1339NNissue preclusion1340NNpreclusion arguments1341NNSargument that1342IN/thatthat we1343PPwe 're1344VBPbe going1345VVGgo to1346TOto have1347VHhave to1348TOto decide1349VVdecide in1350INin this1351DTthis case1352NNcase involving1353VVGinvolve a1354DTa misdemeanor1355NNmisdemeanor criminal1356JJcriminal conviction1357NNconviction .1358SENT. [MR. HICKS]1359LOC[MR. HICKS] Well1360UHWell ,1361,, Justice1362NPJustice Alito1363NPAlito ,1364,, I1365PPI think1366VVPthink those1367DTthose are1368VBPbe actually1369RBactually good1370JJgood reasons1371NNSreason to1372TOto find1373VVfind that1374IN/thatthat there1375EXthere are1376VBPbe ...1377:... you1378PPyou can1379MDcan apply1380VVapply the1381DTthe well-established1382JJwell-established exceptions1383NNSexception .1384SENT. I1385PPI mean1386VVPmean ,1387,, the1388DTthe full1389JJfull and1390CCand fair1391JJfair opportunity1392NNopportunity ...1393:... [JUSTICE ALITO]1394LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] Well1395UHwell ,1396,, I1397PPI do1398VVPdo n't1399RBn't know1400VVknow that1401IN/thatthat they1402PPthey are1403VBPbe well1404RBwell ...1405:... I1406PPI do1407VVPdo n't1408RBn't know1409VVknow that1410IN/thatthat they1411PPthey are1412VBPbe well1413RBwell established1414VVNestablish .1415SENT. The1416DTthe exception1417NNexception that1418IN/thatthat when1419WRBwhen a1420DTa judgment1421NNjudgment is1422VBZbe raised1423VVNraise it1424PPit is1425VBZbe based1426VVNbase on1427INon two1428CDtwo alternative1429JJalternative grounds1430NNSground ,1431,, it1432PPit 's1433VBZbe not1434RBnot ...1435:... there1436EXthere 's1437VBZbe no1438DTno issue1439NNissue preclusion1440NNpreclusion on1441INon either1442DTeither ground1443NNground ,1444,, that1445WDTthat 's1446VBZbe well1447RBwell established1448VVNestablish ?1449SENT? Has1450VHZhave n't1451RBn't that1452RBthat been1453VBNbe rejected1454VVNreject by1455INby six1456CDsix circuits1457NNScircuit ?1458SENT? [MR. HICKS]1459LOC[MR. HICKS] No1460NPNo ,1461,, Your1462PP$your ...1463:... Your1464PP$your Honor1465NPHonor ,1466,, that1467WDTthat is1468VBZbe incorrect1469JJincorrect .1470SENT. Actually1471RBactually ,1472,, if1473INif you1474PPyou look1475VVPlook at1476INat the1477DTthe footnote1478NNfootnote in1479INin our1480PP$our reply1481NNreply brief1482NNbrief ,1483,, seven1484CDseven circuits1485NNScircuit have1486VHPhave actually1487RBactually accepted1488VVNaccept the1489DTthe Restatement1490NNrestatement 's1491POS's rule1492NNrule .1493SENT. I1494PPI know1495VVPknow that1496IN/thatthat the1497DTthe State1498NNstate 's1499POS's brief1500NNbrief says1501VVZsay ...1502:... [JUSTICE ALITO]1503LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] Well1504UHwell ,1505,, we1506PPwe have1507VHPhave n't1508RBn't accepted1509VVNaccept it1510PPit ,1511,, have1512VHPhave we1513PPwe ?1514SENT? [MR. HICKS]1515LOC[MR. HICKS] No1516NPNo ,1517,, this1518DTthis Court1519NPCourt has1520VHZhave not1521RBnot addressed1522VVNaddress it1523PPit ,1524,, but1525CCbut it1526PPit actually1527RBactually goes1528VVZgo part1529NNpart and1530CCand parcel1531NNparcel with1532INwith what1533WPwhat this1534DTthis Court1535NPCourt has1536VHZhave said1537VVNsay about1538INabout the1539DTthe ...1540:... the1541DTthe critical1542JJcritical importance1543NNimportance of1544INof giving1545VVGgive plenary1546NNplenary ...1547:... plenary1548JJplenary appellate1549JJappellate review1550NNreview to1551TOto determinations1552NNSdetermination .1553SENT. That1554DTthat is1555VBZbe the1556DTthe premise1557NNpremise ...1558:... [JUSTICE ALITO]1559LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] I1560PPI mean1561VVPmean ,1562,, it1563PPit seems1564VVZseem to1565TOto me1566PPme like1567INlike a1568DTa significant1569JJsignificant question1570NNquestion ,1571,, and1572CCand I1573PPI was1574VBDbe underwhelmed1575VVNunderwhelm by1576INby the1577DTthe reasons1578NNSreason given1579VVNgive in1580INin the1581DTthe comment1582NNcomment to1583TOto the1584DTthe provision1585NNprovision of1586INof the1587DTthe Restatement1588NNrestatement on1589INon this1590DTthis question1591NNquestion .1592SENT. [MR. HICKS]1593LOC[MR. HICKS] Well1594UHwell ,1595,, I1596PPI think1597VVPthink that1598DTthat ...1599:... first1600RBfirst of1601INof all1602DTall ,1603,, I1604PPI do1605VVPdo n't1606RBn't ...1607:... [JUSTICE ALITO]1608LOC[JUSTICE ALITO] The1609DTthe first1610JJfirst reason1611NNreason they1612PPthey give1613VVPgive is1614VBZbe that1615IN/thatthat when1616WRBwhen ...1617:... when1618WRBwhen a1619DTa court1620NNcourt says1621VVZsay our1622PP$our judgment1623NNjudgment ,1624,, right1625RBright ,1626,, is1627VBZbe based1628VVNbase on1629INon two1630CDtwo alternative1631JJalternative grounds1632NNSground ,1633,, and1634CCand either1635RBeither one1636PPone is1637VBZbe independently1638RBindependently sufficient1639JJsufficient ,1640,, that1641WDTthat should1642MDshould n't1643RBn't have1644VHhave ...1645:... that1646WDTthat should1647MDshould n't1648RBn't have1649VHhave res1650NNres judicata1651NNSjudicata ...1652:... that1653WDTthat should1654MDshould n't1655RBn't have1656VHhave issue1657NNissue preclusion1658NNpreclusion effect1659NNeffect because1660INbecause ,1661,, really1662RBreally ,1663,, the1664DTthe ...1665:... the1666DTthe court1667NNcourt may1668MDmay not1669RBnot have1670VHhave seriously1671RBseriously ...1672:... the1673DTthe court1674NNcourt may1675MDmay not1676RBnot have1677VHhave been1678VBNbe accurate1679JJaccurate in1680INin saying1681VVGsay each1682DTeach one1683CDone is1684VBZbe independently1685RBindependently sufficient1686JJsufficient .1687SENT. Do1688VVdo you1689PPyou find1690VVfind that1691IN/thatthat to1692RBto ...1693:... do1694VVPdo you1695PPyou find1696VVPfind that1697IN/thatthat to1698TOto be1699VBbe a1700DTa particularly1701RBparticularly strong1702JJstrong argument1703NNargument ?1704SENT? [MR. HICKS]1705LOC[MR. HICKS] Well1706UHwell ,1707,, I1708PPI think1709VVPthink that1710IN/thatthat it1711PPit 's1712VBZbe a1713DTa ...1714:... it1715PPit 's1716VBZbe an1717DTan exception1718NNexception that1719WDTthat applies1720VVZapply in1721INin narrow1722JJnarrow circumstances1723NNScircumstance .1724SENT. You1725PPyou have1726VHPhave to1727TOto have1728VHhave an1729DTan alternative1730JJalternative determination1731NNdetermination decided1732VVNdecide in1733INin the1734DTthe first1735JJfirst instance1736NNinstance .1737SENT. And1738CCand I1739PPI think1740VVPthink that1741IN/thatthat ,1742,, frankly1743RBfrankly ,1744,, the1745DTthe Tenth1746JJtenth Circu1747NPCircu it1748PPit 's1749VBZbe decision1750NNdecision here1751RBhere proves1752VVZprove the1753DTthe policy1754NNpolicy underlying1755VVGunderlie it1756PPit .1757SENT. I1758PPI mean1759VVPmean ,1760,, I1761PPI do1762VVPdo n't1763RBn't ...1764:... there1765EXthere 's1766VBZbe not1767RBnot a1768DTa great1769JJgreat defense1770NNdefense of1771INof the1772DTthe Tenth1773JJtenth Circu1774NPCircu it1775PPit 's1776VBZbe determination1777NNdetermination on1778INon the1779DTthe merits1780NNSmerit .1781SENT. And1782CCand I1783PPI think1784VVPthink that1785WDTthat 's1786VBZbe demonstrated1787VVNdemonstrate by1788INby the1789DTthe fact1790NNfact that1791IN/thatthat there1792EXthere was1793VBDbe such1794JJsuch limited1795JJlimited briefing1796NNbriefing .1797SENT. It1798PPit was1799VBDbe only1800RBonly raised1801VVNraise in1802INin the1803DTthe Tenth1804JJtenth Circuit1805NNcircuit in1806INin one1807CDone page1808NNpage of1809INof briefing1810NNbriefing .1811SENT. The1812DTthe tribe1813NNtribe ,1814,, you1815PPyou know1816VVPknow ,1817,, only1818RBonly had1819VHDhave a1820DTa very1821RBvery limited1822JJlimited amount1823NNamount of1824INof its1825PP$its reply1826NNreply brief1827NNbrief .1828SENT. So1829RBso I1830PPI think1831VVPthink when1832WRBwhen you1833PPyou combine1834VVPcombine ,1835,, you1836PPyou know1837VVPknow ,1838,, the1839DTthe policies1840NNSpolicy underlying1841VVGunderlie the1842DTthe full1843JJfull and1844CCand fair1845JJfair opportunity1846NNopportunity ,1847,, in1848INin addition1849NNaddition to1850TOto the1851DTthe fact1852NNfact that1853IN/thatthat it1854PPit 's1855VBZbe an1856DTan alternative1857JJalternative determination1858NNdetermination in1859INin the1860DTthe first1861JJfirst instance1862NNinstance ,1863,, I1864PPI think1865VVPthink the1866DTthe Tenth1867JJtenth Circu1868NPCircu it1869PPit 's1870POS's determination1871NNdetermination is1872VBZbe ,1873,, you1874PPyou know1875VVPknow ,1876,, demonstrating1877VVGdemonstrate why1878WRBwhy the1879DTthe Restatement1880NNrestatement exception1881NNexception exists1882VVZexist .1883SENT. And1884CCand ,1885,, again1886RBagain ,1887,, it1888PPit 's1889VBZbe a1890DTa very1891RBvery ...1892:... [JUSTICE GORSUCH]1893LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] Counsel1894NPCounsel ...1895:... counsel1896NNcounsel ,1897,, I1898PPI 'll1899MDwill spot1900VVspot you1901PPyou that1902DTthat .1903SENT. I1904PPI mean1905VVPmean ,1906,, it1907PPit 's1908VBZbe a1909DTa little1910RBlittle curious1911JJcurious that1912RBthat ...1913:... now1914RBnow I1915PPI do1916VVPdo n't1917RBn't wish1918VVwish to1919TOto fault1920VVfault my1921PP$my old1922JJold court1923NNcourt ,1924,, but1925CCbut the1926DTthe Tenth1927JJtenth Circuit1928NNcircuit decided1929VVDdecide that1930IN/thatthat the1931DTthe land1932NNland was1933VBDbe occupied1934VVNoccupy by1935INby the1936DTthe federal1937JJfederal government1938NNgovernment as1939INas an1940DTan alternative1941JJalternative holding1942NNholding without1943INwithout hearing1944NNhearing from1945INfrom the1946DTthe federal1947JJfederal government1948NNgovernment ,1949,, who1950WPwho now1951RBnow disclaims1952VVZdisclaim the1953DTthe idea1954NNidea that1955IN/thatthat they1956PPthey occupied1957VVDoccupy the1958DTthe territory1959NNterritory .1960SENT. So1961INso I1962PPI ...1963:... I1964PPI ...1965:... I1966PPI take1967VVPtake your1968PP$your point1969NNpoint .1970SENT. But1971CCbut do1972VVPdo we1973PPwe have1974VHPhave to1975TOto get1976VVget into1977INinto any1978DTany of1979INof this1980DTthis issue1981NNissue preclusion1982NNpreclusion stuff1983NNstuff at1984INat all1985DTall ?1986SENT? If1987INif this1988DTthis issue1989NNissue was1990VBDbe n't1991RBn't raised1992VVNraise by1993INby the1994DTthe district1995NNdistrict ,1996,, passed1997VVNpass on1998INon by1999INby the2000DTthe district2001NNdistrict court2002NNcourt ,2003,, relied2004VVNrely on2005INon by2006INby the2007DTthe district2008NNdistrict court2009NNcourt ,2010,, in2011INin this2012DTthis proceeding2013NNproceeding ,2014,, why2015WRBwhy should2016MDshould we2017PPwe enmesh2018VVenmesh ourselves2019PPourselves in2020INin the2021DTthe excellent2022JJexcellent Wyoming2023NPWyoming law2024NNlaw of2025INof issue2026NNissue preclusion2027NNpreclusion ?2028SENT? [MR. HICKS]2029LOC[MR. HICKS] Well2030UHWell ,2031,, Justice2032NPJustice Gorsuch2033NPGorsuch ,2034,, I2035PPI ...2036:... I2037PPI do2038VVPdo n't2039RBn't think2040VVthink you2041PPyou need2042VVPneed to2043TOto get2044VVget into2045INinto that2046DTthat .2047SENT. I2048PPI think2049VVPthink you2050PPyou can2051MDcan advance2052VVadvance to2053TOto the2054DTthe merits2055NNSmerit and2056CCand decide2057VVdecide the2058DTthe merits2059NNSmerit questions2060NNSquestion before2061INbefore you2062PPyou .2063SENT. [JUSTICE GORSUCH]2064LOC[JUSTICE GORSUCH] Let2065NPLet 's2066POS's do2067VVPdo that2068IN/thatthat then2069RBthen .2070SENT. Tell2071VVtell us2072PPus about2073INabout that2074DTthat .2075SENT. [MR. HICKS]2076LOC[MR. HICKS] I2077PPI ...2078:... I2079PPI ...2080:... I2081PPI would2082MDwould be2083VBbe happy2084JJhappy to2085TOto do2086VVdo that2087IN/thatthat ,2088,, because2089INbecause ,2090,, you2091PPyou know2092VVPknow ,2093,, if2094INif you2095PPyou go2096VVPgo back2097RBback to2098TOto this2099DTthis Court2100NPCourt 's2101POS's decision2102NNdecision in2103INin Mille2104NPMille Lacs2105NPLacs and2106CCand you2107PPyou look2108VVPlook at2109INat the2110DTthe reasoning2111NNreasoning that2112IN/thatthat this2113DTthis Court2114NPCourt put2115VVDput forward2116RBforward for2117INfor the2118DTthe ...2119:... for2120INfor what2121WPwhat constitutes2122VVZconstitute termination2123NNtermination of2124INof Indian2125JJIndian treaty2126NNtreaty rights2127NNSright ...2128:... [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]2129LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] But2130CCbut in2131INin that2132DTthat ...2133:... in2134INin that2135DTthat decision2136NNdecision ,2137,, we2138PPwe did2139VVDdo not2140RBnot overrule2141VVoverrule Race2142NPRace Horse2143NPHorse .2144SENT. We2145PPwe said2146VVDsay that2147IN/thatthat Race2148NPRace Horse2149NPHorse meant2150VVDmean that2151IN/thatthat statehood2152NNstatehood did2153VVDdo not2154RBnot automatically2155RBautomatically terminate2156VVterminate the2157DTthe prior2158JJprior treaty2159NNtreaty right2160NNright ,2161,, automatically2162RBautomatically ,2163,, but2164CCbut that2165DTthat certain2166JJcertain language2167NNlanguage in2168INin the2169DTthe Race2170NPRace Horse2171NPHorse treaty2172NNtreaty was2173VBDbe still2174RBstill sufficient2175JJsufficient to2176TOto terminate2177VVterminate the2178DTthe treaty2179NNtreaty right2180NNright .2181SENT. And2182CCand the2183DTthe language2184NNlanguage in2185INin the2186DTthe Race2187NPRace Horse2188NPHorse treaty2189NNtreaty is2190VBZbe the2191DTthe exact2192JJexact same2193JJsame language2194NNlanguage at2195INat issue2196NNissue in2197INin this2198DTthis treaty2199NNtreaty .2200SENT. What's2201NNSWhat's ...2202:... so2203RBso why2204WRBwhy should2205MDshould n't2206RBn't we2207PPwe have2208VHPhave the2209DTthe same2210JJsame result2211NNresult here2212RBhere that2213IN/thatthat we2214PPwe had2215VHDhave in2216INin Race2217NPRace Horse2218NPHorse ,2219,, and2220CCand that2221DTthat 's2222VBZbe the2223DTthe part2224NNpart of2225INof Race2226NPRace Horse2227NPHorse that2228WDTthat is2229VBZbe preserved2230VVNpreserve on2231INon page2232NNpage 2072233CD@card@ by2234INby Mille2235NPMille Lacs2236NPLacs ?2237SENT? [MR. HICKS]2238LOC[MR. HICKS] Justice2239NPJustice Kavanaugh2240NPKavanaugh ,2241,, I2242PPI ...2243:... I2244PPI do2245VVPdo n't2246RBn't think2247VVthink you2248PPyou expressly2249RBexpressly overruled2250VVDoverrule the2251DTthe outcome2252NNoutcome in2253INin Race2254NPRace Horse2255NPHorse ,2256,, but2257CCbut I2258PPI think2259VVPthink that2260IN/thatthat you2261PPyou did2262VVDdo reject2263VVreject all2264PDTall the2265DTthe legal2266JJlegal reasoning2267NNreasoning that2268WDTthat led2269VVDlead to2270TOto the2271DTthe Race2272NPRace Horse2273NPHorse results2274NNSresult .2275SENT. I2276PPI mean2277VVPmean ,2278,, you2279PPyou rejected2280VVDreject the2281DTthe equal2282JJequal footing2283NNfooting doctrine2284NNdoctrine holding2285NNholding .2286SENT. You2287PPyou rejected2288VVDreject the2289DTthe temporary2290JJtemporary and2291CCand precarious2292JJprecarious approach2293NNapproach to2294TOto characterizing2295VVGcharacterize treaty2296NNtreaty rights2297NNSright ,2298,, which2299WDTwhich was2300VBDbe a2301DTa premise2302NNpremise of2303INof that2304DTthat second2305JJsecond ...2306:... [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]2307LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] But2308CCbut ...2309:... but2310CCbut we2311PPwe ...2312:... sorry2313RBsorry to2314TOto interrupt2315VVinterrupt .2316SENT. We2317PPwe concluded2318VVDconclude that2319IN/thatthat it2320PPit was2321VBDbe a2322DTa question2323NNquestion of2324INof congressional2325JJcongressional intent2326NNintent ,2327,, whether2328INwhether the2329DTthe treaty2330NNtreaty right2331NNright was2332VBDbe terminated2333VVNterminate by2334INby statehood2335NNstatehood ,2336,, and2337CCand we2338PPwe concluded2339VVDconclude that2340IN/thatthat the2341DTthe language2342NNlanguage ,2343,, the2344DTthe right2345NNright to2346TOto hunt2347VVhunt on2348INon unoccupied2349JJunoccupied lands2350NNSland of2351INof the2352DTthe United2353NPUnited States2354NPSStates ,2355,, was2356VBDbe the2357DTthe relevant2358JJrelevant treaty2359NNtreaty language2360NNlanguage ,2361,, was2362VBDbe terminated2363VVNterminate by2364INby Wyoming2365NPWyoming 's2366POS's statehood2367NNstatehood ,2368,, correct2369JJcorrect ?2370SENT? [MR. HICKS]2371LOC[MR. HICKS] I2372PPI think2373VVPthink you2374PPyou concluded2375VVDconclude that2376IN/thatthat in2377INin Race2378NPRace Horse2379NPHorse ,2380,, but2381CCbut ...2382:... [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]2383LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] And2384CCand that2385WDTthat 's2386VBZbe preserved2387VVNpreserve ,2388,, explicitly2389RBexplicitly preserved2390VVNpreserve ,2391,, on2392INon page2393NNpage 2072394CD@card@ of2395INof the2396DTthe Mille2397NPMille Lacs2398NPLacs opinion2399NNopinion .2400SENT. That2401DTthat part2402NNpart is2403VBZbe not2404RBnot overruled2405VVNoverrule .2406SENT. And2407CCand my2408PP$my question2409NNquestion is2410VBZbe ,2411,, if2412INif that2413DTthat part2414NNpart of2415INof Race2416NPRace Horse2417NPHorse was2418VBDbe not2419RBnot overruled2420VVNoverrule but2421CCbut was2422VBDbe explicitly2423RBexplicitly preserved2424VVNpreserve and2425CCand ,2426,, in2427INin fact2428NNfact ,2429,, distinguished2430VVNdistinguish from2431INfrom the2432DTthe Chippewa2433NPChippewa treaty2434NNtreaty ,2435,, how2436WRBhow can2437MDcan we2438PPwe in2439INin this2440DTthis case2441NNcase not2442RBnot apply2443VVapply the2444DTthe same2445JJsame result2446NNresult that2447WDTthat was2448VBDbe applied2449VVNapply in2450INin Race2451NPRace Horse2452NPHorse ,2453,, with2454INwith the2455DTthe exact2456JJexact same2457JJsame treaty2458NNtreaty language2459NNlanguage ?2460SENT? Which2461WDTwhich part2462NNpart of2463INof the2464DTthe reasoning2465NNreasoning is2466VBZbe wrong2467JJwrong there2468RBthere ?2469SENT? [MR. HICKS]2470LOC[MR. HICKS] A2471DTa couple2472NNcouple of2473INof responses2474NNSresponse .2475SENT. First2476JJfirst of2477INof all2478DTall ,2479,, I2480PPI do2481VVPdo n't2482RBn't know2483VVknow that2484IN/thatthat you2485PPyou would2486MDwould be2487VBbe applying2488VVGapply the2489DTthe results2490NNSresult of2491INof a2492DTa prior2493JJprior case2494NNcase .2495SENT. I2496PPI think2497VVPthink you2498PPyou apply2499VVapply your2500PP$your reasoning2501NNreasoning .2502SENT. And2503CCand I2504PPI think2505VVPthink that2506IN/thatthat the2507DTthe reasoning2508NNreasoning that2509IN/thatthat you2510PPyou adopted2511VVDadopt in2512INin the2513DTthe Race2514NPRace Horse2515NPHorse ...2516:... I2517PPI 'm2518VBPbe sorry2519JJsorry ,2520,, in2521INin Mille2522NPMille Lacs2523NPLacs was2524VBDbe that2525IN/thatthat you2526PPyou did2527VVDdo not2528RBnot accept2529VVaccept this2530DTthis idea2531NNidea that2532WDTthat ...2533:... that2534IN/thatthat simply2535RBsimply characterizing2536VVGcharacterize a2537DTa treaty2538NNtreaty right2539NNright as2540INas temporary2541JJtemporary and2542CCand precarious2543JJprecarious ,2544,, such2545JJsuch that2546IN/thatthat it2547PPit could2548MDcould be2549VBbe impliedly2550RBimpliedly terminated2551VVNterminate by2552INby statehood2553NNstatehood ...2554:... and2555CCand I2556PPI recognize2557VVPrecognize that2558IN/thatthat you2559PPyou distinguished2560VVDdistinguish ...2561:... [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]2562LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] But2563CCbut ...2564:... but2565CCbut we2566PPwe said2567VVDsay that2568IN/thatthat there2569EXthere were2570VBDbe ...2571:... we2572PPwe said2573VVDsay unlike2574INunlike the2575DTthe treaty2576NNtreaty at2577INat issue2578NNissue in2579INin Race2580NPRace Horse2581NPHorse ,2582,, right2583RBright ,2584,, and2585CCand then2586RBthen we2587PPwe said2588VVDsay there2589EXthere was2590VBDbe a2591DTa clearly2592RBclearly contemplated2593VVNcontemplate event2594NNevent in2595INin Race2596NPRace Horse2597NPHorse ,2598,, unlike2599INunlike in2600INin ...2601:... in2602INin the2603DTthe Mille2604NPMille Lacs2605NPLacs treaty2606NNtreaty ...2607:... [MR. HICKS]2608LOC[MR. HICKS] That2609DTthat ...2610:... [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]2611LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] ...2612:... and2613CCand the2614DTthe clearly2615RBclearly contemplated2616VVNcontemplate event2617NNevent was2618VBDbe the2619DTthe language2620NNlanguage said2621VVDsay hunting2622NNhunting on2623INon the2624DTthe unoccupied2625JJunoccupied lands2626NNSland of2627INof the2628DTthe United2629NPUnited States2630NPSStates ,2631,, that2632WDTthat that2633RBthat was2634VBDbe terminated2635VVNterminate by2636INby statehood2637NNstatehood ,2638,, right2639RBright ?2640SENT? [MR. HICKS]2641LOC[MR. HICKS] No2642NPNo ,2643,, I2644PPI do2645VVPdo n't2646RBn't actually2647RBactually think2648VVPthink that2649IN/thatthat you2650PPyou actually2651RBactually went2652VVDgo on2653INon and2654CCand said2655VVDsay that2656IN/thatthat that2657DTthat particular2658JJparticular language2659NNlanguage was2660VBDbe terminated2661VVNterminate by2662INby statehood2663NNstatehood .2664SENT. You2665PPyou recognized2666VVDrecognize the2667DTthe holding2668NNholding that2669IN/thatthat Congress2670NPCongress did2671VVDdo not2672RBnot intend2673VVintend for2674INfor that2675DTthat particular2676JJparticular treaty2677NNtreaty right2678NNright to2679TOto ...2680:... to2681TOto survive2682VVsurvive statehood2683NNstatehood .2684SENT. But2685CCbut then2686RBthen you2687PPyou went2688VVDgo on2689RPon .2690SENT. When2691WRBwhen you2692PPyou ...2693:... when2694WRBwhen you2695PPyou distinguished2696VVDdistinguish that2697IN/thatthat particular2698JJparticular treaty2699NNtreaty ,2700,, the2701DTthe Race2702NPRace Horse2703NPHorse treaty2704NNtreaty ,2705,, you2706PPyou actually2707RBactually distinguished2708VVDdistinguish it2709PPit by2710INby recognizing2711VVGrecognize the2712DTthe express2713JJexpress conditions2714NNScondition of2715INof termination2716NNtermination in2717INin that2718DTthat treaty2719NNtreaty ,2720,, which2721WDTwhich is2722VBZbe unoccupied2723JJunoccupied land2724NNland ...2725:... [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]2726LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] Do2727VVPdo you2728PPyou think2729VVPthink ...2730:... [JUSTICE KAGAN]2731LOC[JUSTICE KAGAN] So2732RBso ,2733,, Mister2734NPMister ...2735:... [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]2736LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] ...2737:... Race2738NNrace Horse2739NPHorse is2740VBZbe overruled2741VVNoverrule or2742CCor not2743RBnot ,2744,, the2745DTthe result2746NNresult in2747INin Race2748NPRace Horse2749NPHorse ?2750SENT? [MR. HICKS]2751LOC[MR. HICKS] I2752PPI think2753VVPthink that2754IN/thatthat you2755PPyou did2756VVDdo not2757RBnot expressly2758RBexpressly in2759INin haec2760NNhaec verba2761NNSverba overrule2762VVPoverrule the2763DTthe decision2764NNdecision ...2765:... the2766DTthe outcome2767NNoutcome .2768SENT. [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]2769LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] You2770PPyou think2771VVPthink it2772PPit 's2773VBZbe still2774RBstill good2775JJgood law2776NNlaw as2777RBas to2778TOto the2779DTthe tribe2780NNtribe at2781INat issue2782NNissue in2783INin Race2784NPRace Horse2785NPHorse ?2786SENT? [MR. HICKS]2787LOC[MR. HICKS] I2788PPI think2789VVPthink that2790IN/thatthat if2791INif ...2792:... if2793INif the2794DTthe tribe2795NNtribe in2796INin Race2797NPRace Horse2798NPHorse were2799VBDbe here2800RBhere ,2801,, I2802PPI think2803VVPthink that2804IN/thatthat it2805PPit would2806MDwould have2807VHhave to2808TOto be2809VBbe arguing2810VVGargue that2811IN/thatthat you2812PPyou explicitly2813RBexplicitly overruled2814VVDoverrule it2815PPit .2816SENT. But2817CCbut I2818PPI do2819VVPdo n't2820RBn't think2821VVthink you2822PPyou need2823VVPneed to2824TOto do2825VVdo that2826IN/thatthat here2827RBhere .2828SENT. I2829PPI think2830VVPthink what2831WPwhat you2832PPyou ...2833:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]2834LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] Why2835WRBwhy not2836RBnot ?2837SENT? Go2838VVgo back2839RBback to2840TOto Judge2841NPJudge Kavanaugh2842NPKavanaugh 's2843POS's question2844NNquestion .2845SENT. The2846DTthe language2847NNlanguage is2848VBZbe nearly2849RBnearly identical2850JJidentical .2851SENT. Would2852MDwould n't2853RBn't we2854PPwe have2855VHPhave to2856TOto say2857VVsay that2858IN/thatthat Race2859NPRace Horse2860NPHorse is2861VBZbe overruled2862VVNoverrule to2863TOto come2864VVcome to2865TOto a2866DTa different2867JJdifferent conclusion2868NNconclusion ?2869SENT? How2870WRBHow would2871MDwould we2872PPwe distinguish2873VVdistinguish the2874DTthe two2875CDtwo ?2876SENT? [MR. HICKS]2877LOC[MR. HICKS] Well2878UHwell ,2879,, I2880PPI think2881VVPthink ...2882:... I2883PPI think2884VVPthink that2885IN/thatthat you2886PPyou simply2887RBsimply need2888VVPneed to2889TOto apply2890VVapply the2891DTthe reasoning2892NNreasoning that2893IN/thatthat you2894PPyou set2895VVDset forth2896RBforth ,2897,, the2898DTthe new2899JJnew reasoning2900NNreasoning in2901INin Mille2902NPMille Lacs2903NPLacs ,2904,, to2905TOto this2906DTthis Crow2907NPCrow Tribe2908NPTribe treaty2909NNtreaty ,2910,, which2911WDTwhich has2912VHZhave never2913RBnever been2914VBNbe before2915INbefore the2916DTthe Court2917NPCourt .2918SENT. And2919CCand now2920RBnow ,2921,, if2922INif that2923WDTthat creates2924VVZcreate ,2925,, you2926PPyou know2927VVPknow ,2928,, a2929DTa bit2930NNbit of2931INof a2932DTa situation2933NNsituation where2934WRBwhere you2935PPyou 've2936VHPhave got2937VVNget ,2938,, you2939PPyou know2940VVPknow ,2941,, the2942DTthe ...2943:... the2944DTthe Shoshone-Bannock2945NPShoshone-Bannock treaty2946NNtreaty that2947WDTthat was2948VBDbe interpreted2949VVNinterpret using2950VVGuse old2951JJold reasoning2952NNreasoning having2953VHGhave the2954DTthe right2955RBright terminated2956VVNterminate and2957CCand ,2958,, you2959PPyou know2960VVPknow ,2961,, having2962VHGhave a2963DTa ...2964:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]2965LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] You2966PPyou know2967VVPknow ,2968,, Justice2969NPJustice ...2970:... Chief2971NPChief Justice2972NPJustice Rehnquist2973NPRehnquist ...2974:... I2975PPI do2976VVPdo n't2977RBn't know2978VVknow if2979INif he2980PPhe was2981VBDbe Chief2982JJchief back2983RBback then2984RBthen ...2985:... said2986VVDsay that2987IN/thatthat we2988PPwe had2989VHDhave ...2990:... that2991IN/thatthat the2992DTthe majority2993NNmajority had2994VHDhave effectively2995RBeffectively overruled2996VVNoverrule Race2997NPRace Horse2998NPHorse ,2999,, and3000CCand so3001RBso have3002VHhave commentators3003NNScommentator .3004SENT. So3005RBso should3006MDshould we3007PPwe just3008RBjust say3009VVPsay it3010PPit ?3011SENT? And3012CCand you3013PPyou still3014RBstill have3015VHPhave n't3016RBn't told3017VVNtell me3018PPme what3019WPwhat factually3020RBfactually is3021VBZbe different3022JJdifferent between3023INbetween the3024DTthe two3025CDtwo treaty3026NNtreaty provisions3027NNSprovision ...3028:... [MR. HICKS]3029LOC[MR. HICKS] Well3030UHwell ,3031,, I3032PPI can3033MDcan ...3034:... [JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR]3035LOC[JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR] ...3036:... that3037WDTthat would3038MDwould distinguish3039VVdistinguish them3040PPthem sufficient3041JJsufficient for3042INfor us3043PPus to3044TOto say3045VVsay we3046PPwe 're3047VBPbe applying3048VVGapply the3049DTthe new3050JJnew logic3051NNlogic and3052CCand this3053DTthis treaty3054NNtreaty provision3055NNprovision fits3056VVZfit that3057IN/thatthat new3058JJnew logic3059NNlogic ,3060,, plus3061CCplus it3062PPit 's3063VBZbe different3064JJdifferent from3065INfrom Race3066NPRace Horse3067NPHorse ,3068,, why3069WRBwhy ?3070SENT? You3071PPyou have3072VHPhave n't3073RBn't filled3074VVNfill in3075INin that3076DTthat blank3077NNblank .3078SENT. [MR. HICKS]3079LOC[MR. HICKS] Sure3080NPSure .3081SENT. And3082CCand ...3083:... and3084CCand I3085PPI would3086MDwould say3087VVsay that3088IN/thatthat ,3089,, you3090PPyou know3091VVPknow ,3092,, first3093JJfirst of3094INof all3095DTall ,3096,, I3097PPI think3098VVPthink it3099PPit would3100MDwould be3101VBbe far3102RBfar more3103RBRmore unusual3104JJunusual not3105RBnot to3106TOto apply3107VVapply your3108PP$your controlling3109JJcontrolling precedent3110NNprecedent on3111INon Indian3112JJIndian treaty3113NNtreaty termination3114NNtermination ,3115,, termination3116NNtermination of3117INof Indian3118JJIndian treaty3119NNtreaty rights3120NNSright ,3121,, to3122TOto a3123DTa treaty3124NNtreaty that3125WDTthat has3126VHZhave never3127RBnever been3128VBNbe before3129INbefore this3130DTthis Court3131NPCourt simply3132RBsimply because3133INbecause there3134EXthere 's3135VBZbe old3136JJold reasoning3137NNreasoning to3138TOto a3139DTa treaty3140NNtreaty that3141WDTthat has3142VHZhave not3143RBnot been3144VBNbe before3145INbefore the3146DTthe Court3147NPCourt .3148SENT. But3149CCbut if3150INif you3151PPyou 're3152VBPbe looking3153VVGlook for3154INfor distinctions3155NNSdistinction between3156INbetween the3157DTthe treaties3158NNStreaty ,3159,, of3160INof course3161NNcourse ,3162,, this3163DTthis Court3164NPCourt has3165VHZhave said3166VVNsay ,3167,, including3168VVGinclude in3169INin Mille3170NPMille Lacs3171NPLacs itself3172PPitself ,3173,, that3174IN/thatthat you3175PPyou do3176VVPdo n't3177RBn't just3178RBjust look3179VVlook to3180TOto the3181DTthe identical3182JJidentical text3183NNtext of3184INof two3185CDtwo treaties3186NNStreaty .3187SENT. You3188PPyou look3189VVPlook at3190INat the3191DTthe negotiations3192NNSnegotiation .3193SENT. You3194PPyou look3195VVPlook at3196INat the3197DTthe history3198NNhistory .3199SENT. You3200PPyou look3201VVPlook at3202INat the3203DTthe post-ratification3204NNpost-ratification history3205NNhistory .3206SENT. And3207CCand as3208INas we3209PPwe 've3210VHPhave put3211VVNput forward3212RBforward in3213INin our3214PP$our brief3215NNbrief ,3216,, there3217EXthere is3218VBZbe nothing3219NNnothing in3220INin either3221CCeither the3222DTthe text3223NNtext or3224CCor the3225DTthe negotiations3226NNSnegotiation or3227CCor the3228DTthe post-ratification3229NNpost-ratification history3230NNhistory that3231WDTthat gives3232VVZgive any3233DTany indication3234NNindication that3235IN/thatthat statehood3236NNstatehood would3237MDwould have3238VHhave been3239VBNbe a3240DTa terminating3241VVGterminate event3242NNevent .3243SENT. [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]3244LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] What3245WPWhat 's3246VBZbe different3247JJdifferent about3248INabout the3249DTthe Crow3250NPCrow treaty3251NNtreaty ,3252,, which3253WDTwhich is3254VBZbe 18683255CD@card@ ,3256,, and3257CCand the3258DTthe Shoshone3259NPShoshone treaty3260NNtreaty ,3261,, 18683262CD@card@ ,3263,, in3264INin terms3265NNSterm of3266INof the3267DTthe negotiations3268NNSnegotiation or3269CCor the3270DTthe intent3271NNintent ?3272SENT? The3273DTthe language3274NNlanguage is3275VBZbe exactly3276RBexactly the3277DTthe same3278JJsame .3279SENT. So3280RBso what3281WPwhat 's3282VBZbe different3283JJdifferent about3284INabout the3285DTthe intent3286NNintent ?3287SENT? [MR. HICKS]3288LOC[MR. HICKS] Well3289UHwell ,3290,, we3291PPwe do3292VVPdo n't3293RBn't know3294VVknow much3295RBmuch about3296INabout the3297DTthe negotiations3298NNSnegotiation or3299CCor the3300DTthe history3301NNhistory of3302INof the3303DTthe Shoshone-Bannock3304NPShoshone-Bannock treaty3305NNtreaty because3306INbecause that3307WDTthat really3308RBreally was3309VBDbe n't3310RBn't addressed3311VVNaddress much3312RBmuch in3313INin the3314DTthe Race3315NPRace Horse3316NPHorse decision3317NNdecision ,3318,, but3319CCbut there3320EXthere are3321VBPbe ...3322:... there3323EXthere are3324VBPbe material3325NNmaterial distinctions3326NNSdistinction between3327INbetween the3328DTthe history3329NNhistory in3330INin the3331DTthe way3332NNway that3333IN/thatthat these3334DTthese treaties3335NNStreaty came3336VVDcome about3337RBabout .3338SENT. For3339INfor example3340NNexample ...3341:... [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]3342LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] These3343DTthese two3344CDtwo treaties3345NNStreaty ?3346SENT? [MR. HICKS]3347LOC[MR. HICKS] For3348INfor the3349DTthe ...3350:... the3351DTthe ...3352:... the3353DTthe Race3354NPRace Horse3355NPHorse treaty3356NNtreaty ,3357,, the3358DTthe Shoshone-Bannock3359NPShoshone-Bannock treaty3360NNtreaty ,3361,, and3362CCand the3363DTthe Crow3364NPCrow Tribe3365NPTribe treaty3366NNtreaty .3367SENT. The3368DTthe Shoshone-Bannock3369NPShoshone-Bannock were3370VBDbe on3371INon the3372DTthe complete3373JJcomplete other3374JJother side3375NNside of3376INof Wyoming3377NPWyoming .3378SENT. The3379DTthe treaty3380NNtreaty came3381VVDcome about3382RBabout because3383INbecause of3384INof different3385JJdifferent conflicts3386NNSconflict with3387INwith settlers3388NNSsettler .3389SENT. The3390DTthe ...3391:... the3392DTthe Crow3393NPCrow Tribe3394NPTribe is3395VBZbe on3396INon the3397DTthe complete3398JJcomplete other3399JJother side3400NNside of3401INof Wyoming3402NPWyoming .3403SENT. It3404PPit 's3405VBZbe nowhere3406RBnowhere near3407INnear Yellowstone3408NPYellowstone National3409NPNational Park3410NPPark ,3411,, which3412WDTwhich was3413VBDbe something3414NNsomething that3415IN/thatthat the3416DTthe ...3417:... the3418DTthe Race3419NPRace Horse3420NPHorse Court3421NPCourt was3422VBDbe looking3423VVGlook at3424INat as3425RBas well3426RBwell .3427SENT. I3428PPI mean3429VVPmean ,3430,, there3431EXthere are3432VBPbe material3433NNmaterial distinctions3434NNSdistinction between3435INbetween the3436DTthe way3437NNway that3438IN/thatthat these3439DTthese two3440CDtwo treaties3441NNStreaty came3442VVDcome to3443TOto be3444VBbe because3445INbecause of3446INof the3447DTthe different3448JJdifferent histories3449NNShistory between3450INbetween the3451DTthe two3452CDtwo tribes3453NNStribe .3454SENT. [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]3455LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] But3456CCbut you3457PPyou have3458VHPhave n't3459RBn't pointed3460VVNpoint to3461TOto anything3462NNanything really3463RBreally specific3464JJspecific .3465SENT. My3466PP$my concern3467NNconcern just3468RBjust is3469VBZbe ...3470:... is3471VBZbe just3472RBjust that3473IN/thatthat if3474INif we3475PPwe end3476VVPend up3477RPup with3478INwith agreeing3479VVGagree with3480INwith you3481PPyou on3482INon the3483DTthe merits3484NNSmerit ,3485,, we3486PPwe 'll3487MDwill have3488VHhave a3489DTa result3490NNresult that3491IN/thatthat the3492DTthe same3493JJsame treaty3494NNtreaty language3495NNlanguage creates3496VVZcreate two3497CDtwo different3498JJdifferent results3499NNSresult ,3500,, one3501CDone for3502INfor the3503DTthe Shoshone3504NPShoshone ends3505VVZend at3506INat statehood3507NNstatehood ,3508,, the3509DTthe treaty3510NNtreaty right3511NNright ,3512,, and3513CCand the3514DTthe other3515JJother does3516VVZdo not3517RBnot for3518INfor this3519DTthis ,3520,, the3521DTthe Crow3522NPCrow ,3523,, even3524RBeven though3525INthough it3526PPit 's3527VBZbe the3528DTthe exact3529JJexact same3530JJsame treaty3531NNtreaty language3532NNlanguage .3533SENT. And3534CCand I3535PPI 'd3536MDwould like3537VVlike ,3538,, if3539INif we3540PPwe 're3541VBPbe going3542VVGgo to3543TOto reach3544VVreach that3545DTthat result3546NNresult ,3547,, to3548TOto be3549VBbe able3550JJable to3551TOto point3552VVpoint to3553TOto something3554NNsomething .3555SENT. And3556CCand what3557WPwhat is3558VBZbe that3559DTthat something3560NNsomething ?3561SENT? [MR. HICKS]3562LOC[MR. HICKS] Justice3563NPJustice Kavanaugh3564NPKavanaugh ,3565,, I3566PPI think3567VVPthink that3568IN/thatthat if3569INif ...3570:... if3571INif there3572EXthere are3573VBPbe different3574JJdifferent results3575NNSresult there3576RBthere ,3577,, I3578PPI think3579VVPthink that3580DTthat 's3581VBZbe a3582DTa consequence3583NNconsequence of3584INof the3585DTthe new3586JJnew reasoning3587NNreasoning that3588IN/thatthat you3589PPyou set3590VVDset out3591RPout in3592INin Mille3593NPMille Lacs3594NPLacs .3595SENT. And3596CCand I3597PPI think3598VVPthink it3599PPit would3600MDwould be3601VBbe far3602RBfar more3603RBRmore unusual3604JJunusual not3605RBnot to3606TOto apply3607VVapply ...3608:... [JUSTICE KAVANAUGH]3609LOC[JUSTICE KAVANAUGH] But3610CCbut that3611WDTthat would3612MDwould have3613VHhave been3614VBNbe ...3615:... sorry3616RBsorry to3617TOto interrupt3618VVinterrupt .3619SENT. That3620DTthat would3621MDwould have3622VHhave been3623VBNbe a3624DTa reason3625NNreason on3626INon page3627NNpage 2073628CD@card@ to3629TOto say3630VVsay the3631DTthe Race3632NPRace Horse3633NPHorse decision3634NNdecision is3635VBZbe gone3636VVNgo .3637SENT. And3638CCand that3639DTthat 's3640VBZbe not3641RBnot what3642WPwhat we3643PPwe said3644VVDsay .3645SENT. We3646PPwe distinguished3647VVDdistinguish the3648DTthe treaty3649NNtreaty language3650NNlanguage .3651SENT. And3652CCand maybe3653RBmaybe we3654PPwe should3655MDshould have3656VHhave said3657VVNsay it3658PPit 's3659VBZbe gone3660VVNgo ,3661,, but3662CCbut we3663PPwe did3664VVDdo n't3665RBn't .3666SENT. [MR. HICKS]3667LOC[MR. HICKS] Well3668UHwell ,3669,, I3670PPI certainly3671RBcertainly think3672VVPthink that3673IN/thatthat if3674INif it3675PPit gives3676VVZgive you3677PPyou heartburn3678NNheartburn to3679TOto have3680VHhave two3681CDtwo different3682JJdifferent results3683NNSresult because3684INbecause you3685PPyou 're3686VBPbe applying3687VVGapply your3688PP$your latest3689JJSlate legal3690JJlegal reasoning3691NNreasoning ,3692,, I3693PPI think3694VVPthink you3695PPyou can3696MDcan take3697VVtake the3698DTthe extra3699JJextra step3700NNstep .3701SENT. You3702PPyou did3703VVDdo so3704RBso in3705INin the3706DTthe Limbach3707NPLimbach case3708NNcase that3709WDTthat we3710PPwe ...3711:... that3712IN/thatthat we3713PPwe cited3714VVDcite ,3715,, in3716INin the3717DTthe Sunnen3718NPSunnen case3719NNcase .3720SENT. I3721PPI mean3722VVPmean ,3723,, these3724DTthese are3725VBPbe examples3726NNSexample where3727WRBwhere ,3728,, you3729PPyou know3730VVPknow ,3731,, Limbach3732NPLimbach actually3733RBactually says3734VVZsay so3735RBso there3736RBthere ...3737:... so3738RBso that3739IN/thatthat there3740EXthere may3741MDmay be3742VBbe no3743DTno misunderstanding3744NNmisunderstanding ,3745,, we3746PPwe hereby3747RBhereby expressly3748RBexpressly overrule3749VVoverrule this3750DTthis decision3751NNdecision that3752WDTthat 's3753VBZbe ...3754:... you3755PPyou know3756VVPknow ,3757,, that3758IN/thatthat we3759PPwe probably3760RBprobably should3761MDshould have3762VHhave just3763RBjust expressly3764RBexpressly overruled3765VVNoverrule before3766RBbefore .3767SENT. So3768RBso ...3769:... [CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS]3770LOC[CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS] Well3771UHWell ,3772,, how3773WRBhow much3774JJmuch are3775VBPbe you3776PPyou going3777VVGgo to3778TOto have3779VHhave to3780TOto unwind3781VVunwind if3782INif you3783PPyou apply3784VVPapply ...3785:... you3786PPyou no3787RBno longer3788RBRlonger believe3789VVPbelieve that3790IN/thatthat statehood3791NNstatehood eliminated3792VVDeliminate the3793DTthe treaty3794NNtreaty provisions3795NNSprovision in3796INin Race3797NPRace Horse3798NPHorse ?3799SENT? [MR. HICKS]3800LOC[MR. HICKS] Nothing3801NNnothing ,3802,, Your3803PP$your Honor3804NPHonor ,3805,, because3806INbecause there3807EXthere 's3808VBZbe ...3809:... there3810EXthere 's3811VBZbe no3812DTno other3813JJother state3814NNstate that3815WDTthat has3816VHZhave to3817TOto ...3818:... that3819WDTthat is3820VBZbe operating3821VVGoperate under3822INunder this3823DTthis .3824SENT. There3825EXthere 's3826VBZbe no3827DTno other3828JJother state3829NNstate aside3830RBaside from3831INfrom Wyoming3832NPWyoming that3833WDTthat has3834VHZhave been3835VBNbe free3836JJfree of3837INof recognizing3838VVGrecognize Indian3839JJIndian treaty3840NNtreaty rights3841NNSright .3842SENT. So3843RBso that3844DTthat 's3845VBZbe not3846RBnot a3847DTa consideration3848NNconsideration .3849SENT. And3850CCand there3851EXthere 's3852VHZhave been3853VBNbe no3854DTno suggestion3855NNsuggestion or3856CCor evidence3857NNevidence that3858IN/thatthat Wyoming3859NPWyoming has3860VHZhave ever3861RBever relied3862VVNrely on3863INon this3864DTthis particular3865JJparticular Race3866NPRace Horse3867NPHorse treaty3868NNtreaty in3869INin the3870DTthe way3871NNway that3872IN/thatthat it3873PPit has3874VHZhave formulated3875VVNformulate its3876PP$its ...3877:... its3878PP$its natural3879JJnatural resource3880NNresource management3881NNmanagement or3882CCor in3883INin the3884DTthe way3885NNway that3886IN/thatthat it3887PPit ...3888:... [CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS]3889LOC[CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS] Well3890UHwell ,3891,, you3892PPyou 'd3893MDwould still3894RBstill have3895VHhave the3896DTthe result3897NNresult that3898WDTthat concerns3899VVZconcern Justice3900NPJustice Kavanaugh3901NPKavanaugh ,3902,, that3903WDTthat under3904INunder the3905DTthe exact3906JJexact same3907JJsame language3908NNlanguage ,3909,, the3910DTthe two3911CDtwo different3912JJdifferent tribes3913NNStribe are3914VBPbe going3915VVGgo to3916TOto be3917VBbe treated3918VVNtreat differently3919RBdifferently .3920SENT. [MR. HICKS]3921LOC[MR. HICKS] But3922CCbut I3923PPI think3924VVPthink that3925DTthat 's3926VBZbe a3927DTa consequence3928NNconsequence of3929INof the3930DTthe Mille3931NPMille Lacs3932NPLacs reasoning3933NNreasoning ,3934,, which3935WDTwhich is3936VBZbe your3937PP$your most3938RBSmost recent3939JJrecent controlling3940JJcontrolling precedent3941NNprecedent on3942INon interpreting3943VVGinterpret the3944DTthe termination3945NNtermination of3946INof Indian3947JJIndian treaty3948NNtreaty rights3949NNSright .3950SENT. 23951CD2 counsel3952NNcounsel .3953SENT. 53954CD5 If3955INif I3956PPI can3957MDcan reserve3958VVreserve my3959PP$my time3960NNtime ,3961,, please3962UHplease .3963SENT. [CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS]3964LOC[CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS] Thank3965VVthank you3966PPyou ,3967,, Mr3968NPMr .3969SENT. Liu3970NPLiu .3971SENT.