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O + + +And O +the O +main O +unanswered O +question O +here O +is O +why O +did O +Arthur B-PERSON +Sulzberger I-PERSON +the O +newspaper O +'s O +publisher O +allow O +Judy B-PERSON +Miller I-PERSON +to O +hijack O +the O +reporting O +of O +that O +story O +and O +the O +editorial O +policy O +on O +that O +story O +/. O + + +And O +the O +similarities O +for O +the O +Jayson B-PERSON +Blair I-PERSON +case O +/. O + + +Remember O +after O +the O +Jayson B-PERSON +Blair I-PERSON +scandal O +broke O +we O +had O +a O +seven B-CARDINAL +thousand I-CARDINAL +word I-CARDINAL +story O +that O +did O +not O +give O +a O +full O +account O +of O +what O +happened O +. O +Especially O +about O +why O +is O +a O +major O +institution O +like O +the O +Times B-ORG +ignoring O +so O +many O +red O +flags O +/. O + + +Alright O +/. O + + +In O +the O +story O +one B-CARDINAL +of O +things O +that O +we O +learn O +is O +that O +Bill B-PERSON +Keller I-PERSON +took O +Judy B-PERSON +Miller I-PERSON +off O +her O +WMD O +beat O +as O +one B-CARDINAL +of O +his O +first B-ORDINAL +personnel O +decisions O +when O +he O +took O +eh O +the O +reins O +as O +editor O +/. O + + +Alright O +/. O + + +Well O +uh O +I O +agree O +there O +are O +some O +unanswered O +questions O +/. O + + +but O +I O +'m O +willing O +to O +give O +the O +Times B-ORG +a O +little O +more O +credit O +than O +you O +for O +at O +least O +attempting O +to O +answer O +uh O +many O +of O +the O +questions O +/. O + + +And O +Lucy B-PERSON +Dalglish I-PERSON +here O +'s O +the O +thing O +that O +jumped O +out O +at O +me O +in O +the O +story O +/. O + + +Judy B-PERSON +Miller I-PERSON +acknowledges O +that O +at O +Louis B-PERSON +Libby I-PERSON +'s I-PERSON +request O +this O +is O +the O +Dick B-PERSON +Cheney I-PERSON +aide O +she O +agreed O +to O +refer O +to O +him O +and O +in O +stories O +not O +as O +a O +senior O +administration O +official O +but O +as O +a O +former O +Hill B-LOC +aide O +because O +he O +had O +once O +worked O +on O +Capitol B-LOC +Hill I-LOC +/. O + + +Do O +you O +have O +a O +problem O +with O +that O +sort O +of O +thing O +/? O + + +I O +thought O +that O +was O +a O +little O +bit O +misleading O +/. O + + +And O +I O +thought O +it O +was O +odd O +/. O + + +I O +mean O +her O +justification O +was O +that O +well O +he O +had O +been O +a O +former O +Hill B-LOC +staffer O +/. O + + +Um O +but O +that O +was O +a O +strange O +request O +/. O + + +and O +I O +think O +the O +agreement O +was O +strange O +/. O + + +I O +'ll O +agree O +with O +you O +on O +that O +/. O + + +Frank B-PERSON +Sesno I-PERSON +the O +Times B-ORG +was O +so O +hamstrung O +by O +its O +passionate O +embrace O +of O +this O +reporter O +who O +after O +all O +was O +facing O +jail O +did O +go O +to O +jail O +/. O + + +One O +can O +understand O +the O +emotions O +uh O +that O +were O +unleashed O +here O +/. O + + +and O +yet O +the O +editors O +discouraged O +stories O +on O +the O +CIA B-ORG +leak O +investigation O +and O +one B-CARDINAL +time O +killed O +a O +piece O +written O +by O +a O +reporter O +about O +Scooter B-PERSON +Libby I-PERSON +/. O + + +Was O +that O +an O +abdication O +of O +journalistic O +responsibility O +/? O + + +Maybe O +yeah O +maybe O +/. O + + +I O +mean O +what O +it O +really O +shows O +Howie B-PERSON +I O +think O +is O +just O +how O +difficult O +it O +is O +for O +news O +organizations O +to O +report O +on O +themselves O +/. O + + +You O +know O +news O +organizations O +demand O +total O +transparency O +whether O +you O +'re O +General B-ORG +Motors I-ORG +or O +United B-GPE +States I-GPE +government O +/. O + + +We O +want O +access O +/. O + + +We O +want O +explanation O +/. O + + +We O +want O +full O +disclosure O +/. O + + +But O +it O +'s O +very O +difficult O +for O +them O +to O +do O +it O +themselves O +/. O + + +In O +this O +case O +and O +the O +Times B-ORG +makes O +it O +very O +plain O +in O +their O +story O +today B-DATE +they O +really O +suffered O +/. O + + +They O +were O +behind O +on O +virtually O +every O +major O +aspect O +of O +the O +story O +/. O + + +Even O +when O +she O +went O +to O +jail O +/? O + + +Even O +when O +she O +went O +to O +jail O +and O +w- O +/. O + + +When O +she O +won O +release O +from O +jail O +/. O + + +Yeah O +at O +the O +point O +that O +she O +came O +out O +/. O + + +They O +did O +n't O +say O +that O +you O +know O +until O +she O +walked O +out O +/. O + + +And O +the O +question O +and O +this O +is O +a O +very O +serious O +question O +it O +'s O +not O +answered O +in O +the O +article O +/. O + + +Were O +editorial O +higher O +- O +ups O +and O +were O +the O +corporate O +lawyers O +at O +the B-ORG +New I-ORG +York I-ORG +Times I-ORG +in O +some O +way O +leaning O +on O +suppressing O +and O +distorting O +the O +coverage O +from O +the O +news O +uh O +section O +/? O + + +Arianna B-PERSON +Huffington I-PERSON +uh O +in O +this O +lengthy O +piece O +this B-TIME +morning I-TIME +uh O +uh O +Judy B-PERSON +Miller I-PERSON +is O +quoted O +excuse O +me O +as O +saying O +that O +there O +was O +another O +source O +beside O +Scooter B-PERSON +Libby I-PERSON +that O +she O +dealt O +with O +on O +the O +Valerie B-PERSON +Plame I-PERSON +situation O +/. O + + +She O +does O +n't O +recall O +who O +that O +source O +was O +looking O +at O +her O +notes O +and O +seeing O +the O +uh O +notation O +Valerie B-PERSON +Flame I-PERSON +/. O + + +She O +got O +the O +name O +wrong O +/. O + + +Do O +you O +buy O +this O +notion O +that O +she O +does O +n't O +recall O +who O +this O +other O +source O +was O +/? O + + +No O +of O +course O +not O +Howie B-PERSON +/. O + + +In O +fact O +I O +think O +this O +is O +the O +major O +unanswered O +question O +/. O + + +We O +do O +n't O +know O +who O +eh O +her O +source O +was O +when O +it O +comes O +to O +revealing O +the O +identity O +of O +Valerie B-PERSON +Plame I-PERSON +/. O + + +And O +to O +say O +that O +she O +does O +not O +recall O +is O +really O +as O +convincing O +as O +having O +Woodward B-PERSON +and O +Bernstein B-PERSON +saying O +that O +they O +do O +not O +recall O +who O +Deep B-PERSON +Throat I-PERSON +was O +/. O + + +After O +all O +these O +notes O +were O +just B-DATE +a I-DATE +few I-DATE +weeks I-DATE +old I-DATE +when O +um O +the O +Valerie B-PERSON +Plame I-PERSON +Bob B-PERSON +Novak I-PERSON +column O +appeared O +and O +when O +the O +whole O +Washington B-GPE +and O +the O +whole O +journalistic O +community O +was O +talking O +about O +it O +/. O + + +You O +know O +I O +do O +n't O +/- O + + +Incidentally O +there O +was O +some O +questions O +uh O +that O +Judy B-PERSON +Miller I-PERSON +would O +not O +answer O +to O +her O +colleagues O +/. O + + +and O +she O +would O +n't O +share O +her O +notes O +with O +them O +although O +they O +'ve O +been O +turned O +over O +to O +the O +special O +prosecutor O +/. O + + +Lucy B-PERSON +Dalglish I-PERSON +the O +big O +news O +for O +me O +was O +Miller B-PERSON +recounting O +what O +her O +lawyer O +Floyd B-PERSON +Abrams I-PERSON +had O +said O +to O +her O +about O +a O +conversation O +that O +he O +had O +with O +Joe B-PERSON +Tate I-PERSON +who O +was O +Scooter B-PERSON +Libby I-PERSON +'s I-PERSON +lawyer O +/. O + + +Uh O +says O +um O +Floyd B-PERSON +Abrams I-PERSON +according O +to O +Miller B-PERSON +'s O +account O +when O +I O +would O +n't O +give O +him O +Tate B-PERSON +an O +assurance O +that O +you O +would O +exonerate O +Libby B-PERSON +he O +said O +do O +n't O +go O +there O +/. O + + +Now O +Tate B-PERSON +by O +the O +way O +tells O +the O +Times B-ORG +that O +that O +account O +is O +false O +and O +outrageous O +/. O + + +Does O +this O +help O +justify O +eh O +Judy B-PERSON +Miller I-PERSON +'s I-PERSON +otherwise O +mysterious O +decision O +to O +go O +to O +jail O +and O +not O +accept O +the O +waiver O +of O +confidentiality O +that O +Scooter B-PERSON +Libby I-PERSON +offered O +and O +sit O +in O +jail O +for O +eighty B-DATE +- I-DATE +five I-DATE +days I-DATE +/? O + + +N- O +you O +n- O +/. O + + +you O +know O +I O +'ve O +been O +talking O +to O +Judy B-PERSON +off O +and O +on O +about O +this O +case O +for O +the B-DATE +last I-DATE +year I-DATE +/. O + + +This O +was O +a O +very O +difficult O +decision O +/. O + + +and O +you O +know O +what O +this O +all O +comes O +down O +to O +is O +you O +keep O +your O +promises O +when O +you O +make O +a O +promise O +to O +a O +confidential O +source O +/. O + + +You O +'ll O +recall O +six B-DATE +or I-DATE +eight I-DATE +months I-DATE +ago I-DATE +Howie B-PERSON +I O +was O +on O +the O +show O +and O +we O +were O +talking O +about O +you O +know O +did O +Russert B-PERSON +and O +Kessler B-PERSON +and O +all O +the O +rest O +of O +those O +guys O +did O +they O +break O +some O +trust O +by O +agreeing O +to O +testify O +and O +observing O +the O +waiver O +/? O + + +What O +I O +think O +this O +situation O +and O +the O +turmoil O +that O +is O +obviously O +going O +on O +at O +the O +Times B-ORG +right O +now O +points O +out O +is O +the O +fact O +that O +we O +have O +a O +major O +problem O +in O +this O +country O +/. O + + +it O +'s O +that O +reporters O +believe O +they O +need O +to O +keep O +their O +promises O +to O +their O +sources O +/. O + + +Reporters O +will O +try O +to O +do O +whatever O +they O +can O +as O +long O +as O +the O +law O +allows O +them O +to O +protect O +those O +sources O +/. O + + +Right O +/. O + + +But O +these B-DATE +days I-DATE +um O +with O +the O +state O +of O +our O +law O +the O +fact O +that O +we O +do O +not O +have O +a O +federal O +shield O +law O +we O +have O +prosecutors O +and O +civil O +litigants O +going O +in O +there O +and O +interfering O +with O +the O +day O +to O +day O +operation O +of O +our O +newsrooms O +/. O + + +and O +we O +just O +can O +tolerate O +this O +/. O + + +And O +we O +'re O +trying O +to O +/- O + + +I O +think O +Lucy B-PERSON +'s O +on O +to O +something O +here O +if O +I O +can O +just O +say O +Howie B-PERSON +/. O + + +And O +I O +think O +this O +is O +very O +important O +because O +this O +is O +an O +ugly O +case O +/. O + + +And O +even O +people O +close O +to O +Judith B-PERSON +Miller I-PERSON +say O +this O +is O +not O +the O +one B-CARDINAL +you O +'d O +really O +like O +to O +go O +to O +the O +mat O +on O +/. O + + +You O +'d O +love O +to O +have O +a O +clear O +whistle O +blower O +case O +/. O + + +You O +'d O +love O +to O +have O +a O +Pentagon B-ORG +papers O +case O +/. O + + +You O +'d O +love O +to O +have O +something O +where O +the O +well O +- O +being O +and O +the O +sanctity O +of O +the O +Republic B-ORG +you O +know O +hangs O +in O +the O +balance O +/. O + + +She O +did O +n't O +even O +report O +on O +this O +/. O + + +But O +it O +does O +point O +out O +a O +very O +serious O +issue O +/. O + + +And O +that O +is O +the O +whole O +notion O +of O +the O +use O +of O +and O +abuse O +of O +confidential O +sources O +the O +protections O +that O +reporters O +do O +or O +do O +n't O +have O +and O +the O +propensity O +of O +uh O +the O +United B-GPE +States I-GPE +government O +to O +have O +more O +secrecy O +not O +less O +/. O + + +We O +'ve O +got O +to O +figure O +this O +out O +/. O + + +Well O +just O +to O +clarify O +uh O +she O +did O +ultimately O +uh O +testify O +about O +her O +confidential O +source O +/. O + + +The O +whole O +issue O +was O +how O +voluntary O +was O +the O +waiver O +of O +her O +promise O +to O +Scooter O +Libby B-PERSON +offered O +and O +why O +was O +she O +able O +to O +accept O +after O +being O +in O +jail O +as O +opposed O +to O +before O +being O +in O +jail O +/. O + + +Well O +exactly O +/. O + + +and O +you O +know O +what O +Howie B-PERSON +/. O +/. O + + +it O +'s O +really O +time O +for O +Lucy B-PERSON +and O +other O +Judy B-PERSON +Miller I-PERSON +defenders O +to O +update O +her O +talking O +points O +because O +what O +Lucy B-PERSON +just O +said O +just O +simply O +does O +not O +wash O +/. O + + +The O +truth O +is O +that O +as O +Howie B-PERSON +said O +she O +did O +testify O +/. O + + +The O +truth O +is O +that O +it O +'s O +very O +clear O +from O +the O +stories O +today B-DATE +that O +she O +could O +'ve O +asked O +uh O +Scooter B-PERSON +Libby I-PERSON +to O +call O +her O +so O +that O +she O +could O +hear O +the O +timber O +of O +his O +voice O +earlier O +/. O + + +All O +of O +that O +could O +have O +happened O +/. O + + +It O +did O +not O +happen O +because O +clearly O +Judy B-PERSON +Miller I-PERSON +is O +protecting O +another O +source O +that O +she O +still O +has O +not O +revealed O +to O +the O +American B-NORP +public O +/. O + + +And O +the B-ORG +New I-ORG +York I-ORG +Times I-ORG +is O +/. O + + +Lucy B-PERSON +/. O + + +/. O + + +Let O +me O +get O +a O +response O +from O +Lucy B-PERSON +Dalglish I-PERSON +/. O + + +I O +think O +it O +'s O +very O +obvious O +from O +what O +Judy B-PERSON +wrote O +today B-DATE +she O +is O +protecting O +somebody O +else O +/. O + + +And O +one B-CARDINAL +of O +the O +reasons O +that O +this O +negotiation O +took O +so O +long O +is O +that O +not O +only O +was O +she O +negotiating O +what O +she O +was O +going O +to O +say O +about O +Scooter B-PERSON +Libby I-PERSON +but O +you O +got O +to O +keep O +in O +mind O +I O +'m O +a O +lawyer O +there O +were O +lawyers O +involved O +in O +this O +/. O + + +They O +had O +to O +negotiate O +with O +Patrick B-PERSON +Fitzgerald I-PERSON +what O +he O +would O +not O +talk O +about O +/. O + + +They O +also O +had O +to O +negotiate O +whether O +or O +not O +there O +would O +be O +any O +type O +of O +um O +uh O +uh O +obstruction O +charges O +connected O +with O +contacting O +/. O + + +Once O +you O +invoke O +the O +wrath O +or O +the O +extreme O +interest O +of O +a O +federal O +prosecutor O +you O +have O +to O +be O +very O +very O +careful O +/. O + + +You O +do O +n't O +mess O +with O +the O +Feds O +/. O + + +It O +'s O +very O +clear O +in O +her O +story O +that O +she O +decided O +finally O +to O +testify O +because O +she O +got O +tired O +of O +jail O +because O +she O +was O +threatened O +with O +criminal O +contempt O +charges O +because O +she O +wanted O +to O +go O +out O +and O +now O +she O +'s O +saying O +admitting O +finally O +write O +a O +book O +/. O + + +All O +these O +things O +are O +there O +in O +black O +and O +white O +/. O + + +and O +to O +continue O +to O +portray O +her O +as O +a O +martyr O +is O +not O +going O +to O +work O +/. O + + +And O +on O +that O +point O +Arianna B-PERSON +on O +that O +point O +she O +says O +sh- O +/- O + + +Excuse O +me O +/. O + + +Judy B-PERSON +Miller I-PERSON +says O +she O +'s O +taking O +some O +time O +off O +from O +the O +paper O +/. O + + +She O +wants O +to O +write O +a O +book O +/. O + + +She O +would O +n't O +share O +her O +notes O +with O +her O +colleagues O +who O +were O +writing O +the O +story O +/. O + + +Do O +you O +think O +she O +'ll O +ever O +come O +back O +/? O + + +You O +think O +she O +'s O +saving O +it O +for O +the O +book O +/? O + + +Well O +it O +'s O +very O +clear O +that O +she O +would O +not O +be O +welcome O +in O +the O +newsroom O +/. O + + +And O +it O +'s O +very O +clear O +eh O +as O +I O +reported O +again O +that O +when O +Bill B-PERSON +Keller I-PERSON +took O +her O +off O +her O +WMD O +beat O +they O +were O +all O +hoping O +she O +would O +resign O +/. O + + +Instead O +she O +threw O +a O +fit O +/. O + + +but O +she O +stayed O +on O +/. O + + +This O +is O +not O +a O +journalism O +one B-CARDINAL +oh I-CARDINAL +one I-CARDINAL +course O +the O +way O +she O +handled O +both O +the O +WMD O +reporting O +and O +Plame B-EVENT +Gate I-EVENT +/. O + + +Frank O +Sesno O +please O +comment O +/. O + + +Jump O +in O +/. O + + +And O +Howie B-PERSON +I O +'ll O +tell O +you O +what O +/. O + + +This O +is O +a O +gigantic O +shot O +across O +the O +bow O +of O +every O +manager O +in O +the O +news O +business O +and O +every O +editor O +and O +every O +executive O +producer O +anywhere O +because O +you O +got O +to O +have O +some O +uh O +control O +some O +connection O +with O +your O +correspondants O +and O +your O +reporters O +/. O + + +You O +got O +to O +know O +who O +they O +'re O +talking O +to O +at O +some O +level O +anyway O +because O +you O +know O +what O +/? O + + +It O +'s O +about O +trust O +with O +the O +public O +/. O + + +and O +it O +'s O +about O +you O +know O +ending O +up O +in O +jail O +or O +in O +court O +/. O + + +their O +story O +says O +that O +Bill B-PERSON +Keller I-PERSON +and O +Arthur B-PERSON +Sulzberger I-PERSON +did O +not O +press O +Judy B-PERSON +Miller I-PERSON +about O +her O +conversations O +with O +Libby B-PERSON +or O +ask O +to O +see O +her O +notes O +while O +they O +were O +defending O +her O +/. O + + +Ask O +to O +see O +her O +/. O + + +And O +by O +the O +way O +we O +invited O +the B-ORG +New I-ORG +York I-ORG +Times I-ORG +to O +have O +an O +editor O +appear O +on O +this O +program O +/. O + + +The O +paper O +declined O +/. O + + +When O +we O +come O +back O +media O +speculation O +run O +amuck O +over O +possible O +indictments O +at O +sixteen O +hundred O +Pennsylvania B-FAC +and O +the O +President O +'s O +scripted O +session O +with O +troops O +in O +Iraq B-GPE +/. O + + +Stay O +with O +us O +/. O + + +Welcome O +back O +to O +Reliable B-WORK_OF_ART +Sources I-WORK_OF_ART +/. O + + +As O +the O +CIA B-ORG +leak O +investigation O +continued O +this B-DATE +week I-DATE +media O +folks O +did O +plenty O +of O +speculating O +with O +no O +evidence O +about O +the O +possible O +indictment O +of O +a O +certain O +top O +White B-ORG +House I-ORG +official O +who O +testified O +before O +the O +grand O +jury O +for O +the O +fourth B-ORDINAL +time O +on O +Friday B-DATE +/. O + + +Karl B-PERSON +Rove I-PERSON +his O +closest O +aide O +the O +number B-CARDINAL +two I-CARDINAL +man O +in O +the B-ORG +White I-ORG +House I-ORG +the O +man O +that O +has O +been O +called O +Bush B-PERSON +'s O +brain O +/. O + + +If O +he O +'s O +indicted O +and O +has O +to O +go O +it O +undermines O +the O +key O +source O +of O +this O +President O +'s O +public O +support O +his O +character O +/. O + + +If O +Rove B-PERSON +gets O +indicted O +that O +could O +bring O +down O +the O +Bush B-PERSON +administration O +I O +think O +/. O + + +My O +understanding O +from O +talking O +to O +somebody O +quite O +close O +to O +this O +investigation O +is O +that O +they O +think O +there O +are O +going O +to O +be O +indictments O +/. O + + +and O +possibly O +Karl B-PERSON +Rove I-PERSON +could O +be O +among O +them O +/. O + + +Lucy B-PERSON +Dalglish I-PERSON +if O +Karl B-PERSON +Rove I-PERSON +is O +indicted O +, O +if O +Karl B-PERSON +Rove I-PERSON +is O +indicted O +, O +what O +if O +he O +'s O +not O +indicted O +/? O + + +Is O +n't O +this O +the O +worst O +kind O +of O +journalistic O +speculation O +/? O + + +Yeah O +/. O + + +You O +know O +I O +think O +it O +'s O +always O +dangerous O +to O +speculate O +whether O +or O +not O +you O +'re O +really O +besmirching O +someone O +'s O +reputation O +. O +Although O +I O +'m O +not O +sure O +you O +can O +do O +that O +with O +Karl B-PERSON +Rove I-PERSON +/. O + + +But O +it O +uh O +is O +very O +very O +you O +know O +eh O +irre- O +/- O + + +I O +would O +prefer O +that O +people O +keep O +an O +eye O +on O +you O +know O +watching O +him O +testify O +and O +going O +in O +and O +out O +of O +the O +courthouse O +/. O + + +But O +uh O +will O +it O +bring O +down O +the O +administration O +/? O + + +I O +do O +n't O +know O +/. O + + +Ah O +eh O +I O +do O +n't O +know O +/. O + + +Well O +nobody O +knows O +/. O + + +That O +'s O +the O +point O +/. O + + +Arianna B-PERSON +Huffington I-PERSON +I O +used O +to O +cover O +the O +justice O +department O +/. O + + +Not O +everybody O +who O +'s O +under O +investigation O +winds O +up O +getting O +indicted O +/. O + + +Ah O +but O +you O +certainly O +and O +you O +'re O +uh O +on O +a O +blog O +so O +maybe O +it O +'s O +a O +different O +standard O +have O +speculated O +about O +Rove B-PERSON +'s O +fate O +as O +well O +/. O + + +Well O +not O +just O +Rove B-PERSON +though O +/. O + + +what O +we O +have O +speculated O +is O +that O +it O +might O +be O +a O +much O +more O +tangled O +web O +that O +Fitzgerald B-PERSON +is O +after O +the O +whole O +Iraq B-GPE +White B-ORG +House I-ORG +group O +the O +group O +that O +uh O +in O +Cheney B-PERSON +'s O +office O +with O +Libby B-PERSON +and O +Rove B-PERSON +and O +Mary B-PERSON +Matalin I-PERSON +and O +Condoleezza B-PERSON +Rice I-PERSON +and O +a O +lot O +of O +administration O +officials O +basically O +sold O +um O +a O +war O +to O +the O +American B-NORP +public O +based O +on O +lies O +/. O + + +I O +mean O +that O +is O +really O +the O +web O +/. O + + +But O +it O +seems O +and O +we O +find O +out O +today B-DATE +also O +from O +uh O +um O +the O +reporting O +on O +the O +Miller B-PERSON +story O +, O +that O +uh O +Fitzgerald B-PERSON +is O +after O +Cheney B-PERSON +even O +in O +some O +of O +the O +questioning O +eh O +of O +Miller B-PERSON +/. O + + +I O +think O +those O +were O +fairly O +routine O +questions O +about O +/. O + + +you O +have O +Judy B-PERSON +Miller I-PERSON +there O +/. O + + +you O +ask O +about O +Cheney B-PERSON +/. O +/. O + + +He O +was O +being O +thorough O +/. O + + +I O +think O +we O +'re O +overthinking O +this O +whole O +thing O +/. O + + +Karl B-PERSON +Rove I-PERSON +and O +this O +speculation O +business O +you O +know O +/. O + + +Frank B-PERSON +Sesno I-PERSON +/. I-PERSON + + +Pat B-PERSON +Fitzgerald I-PERSON +/. I-PERSON + + +It O +'s O +very O +easy O +to O +sit O +here O +and O +say O +oh O +we O +should O +never O +speculate O +in O +journalism O +/. O + + +It O +'s O +irresponsible O +journalism O +/. O + + +It O +'s O +really O +how O +you O +speculate O +not O +that O +you O +speculate O +/. O + + +The O +fact O +of O +the O +matter O +is O +that O +Karl B-PERSON +Rove I-PERSON +has O +been O +to O +the O +grand O +jury O +four B-CARDINAL +times O +/. O + + +The O +fact O +of O +the O +matter O +is O +that O +there O +are O +lots O +of O +people O +in O +Washington B-GPE +and O +believe O +me O +they O +'re O +not O +all O +journalists O +who O +are O +speculating O +what O +if O +the O +guy O +gets O +indicted O +/. O + + +It O +would O +be O +irresponsible O +I O +think O +for O +the O +media O +not O +to O +reflect O +what O +the O +discussion O +is O +here O +in O +town O +/. O + + +And O +there O +are O +plenty O +of O +Republicans B-NORP +mostly O +Republicans B-NORP +who O +are O +worried O +about O +this O +/. O + + +Alright O +I O +want O +to O +turn O +now O +to O +uh O +President O +Bush B-PERSON +'s O +uh O +meeting O +uh O +uh O +photo O +op O +some O +called O +it O +with O +US B-GPE +troops O +in O +Iraq B-GPE +whether O +it O +was O +staged O +how O +shocking O +that O +would O +be O +/. O + + +Let O +'s O +take O +a O +look O +at O +the O +actual O +footage O +/. O + + +And O +in O +your O +interactions O +with O +the O +Iraqi B-NORP +civilians O +in O +Tikrit B-GPE +Saddam B-PERSON +'s O +hometown O +how O +are O +they O +reacting O +to O +this O +political O +process O +/? O + + +Sir O +in O +the O +north O +central O +area O +of O +Iraq B-GPE +voter O +registration O +has O +increased O +seventeen B-PERCENT +percent I-PERCENT +/. O + + +Can O +you O +give O +us O +a O +sense O +for O +the O +reception O +of O +the O +people O +there O +in O +Tikrit B-GPE +/? O + + +Sir O +in O +north O +central O +Iraq B-GPE +voter O +regis- O +/- O + + +Are O +you O +stunned O +/? O + + +Are O +you O +stunned O +/? O + + +Shocked O +/. O + + +I O +ca O +n't O +believe O +it O +/. O + + +they O +rehearsed O +it O +/. O + + +They O +rehearsed O +it O +/. O + + +They O +rehearsed O +it O +/. O + + +Yeah O +you O +know O +something O +/? O + + +uh O +I O +remember O +a O +long O +time O +ago O +Michael B-PERSON +Deaver I-PERSON +the O +ultimate O +image O +meister O +for O +Ronald B-PERSON +Reagan I-PERSON +said O +my O +job O +is O +to O +light O +the O +President O +well O +and O +for O +everything O +I O +do O +to O +put O +the O +President O +in O +a O +good O +light O +/. O + + +Now O +look O +first B-ORDINAL +of O +all O +this O +is O +uncomfortable O +to O +see O +/. O + + +and O +what O +the O +problem O +this O +now O +creates O +for O +the B-ORG +White I-ORG +House I-ORG +is O +{is} O +it O +plays O +into O +the O +credibility O +issue O +that O +the O +President O +has O +that O +everything O +now O +is O +becoming O +a O +photo O +op O +and O +a O +rehearsed O +event O +in O +order O +to O +rescue O +what O +are O +tumbling O +numbers O +on O +his O +performance O +on O +public O +support O +of O +Iraq B-GPE +the O +whole O +bit O +/. O + + +But O +the O +fact O +that O +anybody O +would O +think O +that O +you O +would O +do O +something O +like O +this O +a O +remote O +/. O + + +I O +mean O +anybody O +in O +television O +will O +tell O +you O +that O +'s O +complicated O +business O +/. O + + +You O +have O +satellite O +delay O +/. O + + +You O +have O +a B-CARDINAL +half I-CARDINAL +a I-CARDINAL +dozen I-CARDINAL +people O +sitting O +there O +/. O + + +Who O +'s O +going O +to O +speak O +when O +/. O + + +You O +do O +n't O +want O +awkward O +silences O +/. O + + +You O +'re O +going O +to O +walk O +through O +it O +/. O + + +so O +that O +it O +happened O +does O +n't O +surprise O +me O +/. O + + +That O +it O +hurts O +the O +President O +yeah O +that O +'s O +inevitable O +too O +/. O + + +Arianna B-PERSON +Huffington I-PERSON +does O +the O +staging O +here O +surprise O +you O +at O +all O +/? O + + +Well O +it O +'s O +not O +the O +question O +of O +surpising O +me O +Howie B-PERSON +/. O + + +It O +'s O +the O +fact O +that O +we O +are O +talking O +about O +war O +/. O + + +This O +is O +not O +just O +any O +photo O +opportunity O +/. O + + +Of O +course O +that O +'s O +part O +and O +parcel O +of O +the O +presidency O +/. O + + +But O +we O +'re O +talking O +about O +a O +war O +in O +which O +almost B-CARDINAL +two I-CARDINAL +thousand I-CARDINAL +young O +Americans B-NORP +have O +died O +/. O + + +And O +we O +are O +also O +using O +soldiers O +as O +props O +/. O + + +Yes O +it O +is O +shocking O +/. O + + +and O +I O +think O +Keith B-PERSON +Olbermann I-PERSON +did O +a O +phenomenal O +job O +at O +exposing O +this O +on O +MSNBC B-ORG +/. O + + +Alright O +/. O + + +And O +I O +think O +more O +and O +more O +journalists O +are O +actually O +taking O +a O +hard O +look O +at O +what O +this O +administration O +is O +doing O +/. O + + +And O +we O +'ll O +have O +to O +leave O +it O +there O +/. O + + +Last O +word O +/. O + + +Arianna B-PERSON +Huffington I-PERSON +Lucy B-PERSON +Dalglish I-PERSON +in O +Minneapolis B-GPE +Frank B-PERSON +Sesno I-PERSON +thanks O +so O +very O +much O +for O +joining O +us O +/. O + + +Coming O +up O +, O +we O +launch O +our O +new O +segment O +Talk B-WORK_OF_ART +Back I-WORK_OF_ART +to I-WORK_OF_ART +the I-WORK_OF_ART +Media I-WORK_OF_ART +/. O + + +President O +Clinton B-PERSON +'s O +former O +lawyer O +Lanny B-PERSON +Davis I-PERSON +takes O +on O +Sixty B-ORG +Minutes I-ORG +and O +ex-FBI B-ORG +director O +Louis B-PERSON +Freeh I-PERSON +/. O + + +And O +still O +to O +come O +New B-ORG +York I-ORG +Times I-ORG +columnist O +Tom B-PERSON +Friedman I-PERSON +/. O + + +Welcome O +back O +/. O + + +In O +our O +new O +Talk B-WORK_OF_ART +Back I-WORK_OF_ART +to I-WORK_OF_ART +the I-WORK_OF_ART +Media I-WORK_OF_ART +segment O +someone O +who O +believes O +he O +or O +she O +'s O +been O +treated O +unfairly O +by O +the O +press O +gets O +the O +chance O +to O +sound O +off O +and O +give O +their O +side O +of O +the O +controversy O +/. O + + +Last B-DATE +Sunday I-DATE +Mike B-PERSON +Wallace I-PERSON +sat O +down O +with O +Louis B-PERSON +Freeh I-PERSON +who O +'s O +peddling O +a O +memoir O +on O +Sixty B-WORK_OF_ART +Minutes I-WORK_OF_ART +/. O + + +and O +the O +former O +FBI B-ORG +director O +unloaded O +on O +the O +President O +who O +appointed O +him O +Bill B-PERSON +Clinton I-PERSON +/. O + + +Among O +his O +criticisms O +the O +former O +president O +'s O +handling O +of O +the O +nineteen B-DATE +ninety I-DATE +- I-DATE +six I-DATE +Khobar B-FAC +Towers I-FAC +terrorist O +bombing O +that O +killed O +nineteen B-CARDINAL +US B-GPE +marines O +in O +Saudi B-GPE +Arabia I-GPE +/. O + + +I O +was O +very O +disappointed O +that O +the O +political O +leadership O +of O +the B-GPE +United I-GPE +States I-GPE +uh O +would O +tell O +the O +families O +of O +these O +nineteen B-CARDINAL +heroes O +that O +we O +were O +going O +to O +leave O +no O +stone O +unturned O +and O +find O +the O +people O +who O +killed O +them O +/. O + + +to O +give O +that O +order O +to O +the O +director O +because O +that O +'s O +the O +order O +that O +I O +got O +and O +then O +to O +do O +nothing O +to O +assist O +and O +facilitate O +that O +investigation O +in O +fact O +to O +undermine O +it O +/. O + + +The O +Clinton B-PERSON +people O +were O +furious O +at O +the O +way O +Sixty B-ORG +Minutes I-ORG +hailed O +the O +segment O +/. O + + +and O +here O +to O +talk O +back O +is O +former O +Clinton B-PERSON +White B-ORG +House I-ORG +attorney O +Lanny B-PERSON +Davis I-PERSON +/. O + + +Welcome O +/. O + + +Let O +'s O +deal O +with O +the O +substance O +first B-ORDINAL +/. O + + +Louis B-PERSON +Freeh I-PERSON +says O +that O +when O +Clinton B-PERSON +met O +with O +Crown B-PERSON +Prince I-PERSON +Abdullah I-PERSON +in O +nineteen B-DATE +ninety I-DATE +- I-DATE +eight I-DATE +, O +he O +did O +n't O +press O +for O +FBI B-ORG +access O +to O +suspects O +in O +the O +Khobar B-FAC +Towers I-FAC +bombing O +and O +he O +hit O +up O +the O +prince O +for O +a O +contribution O +to O +his O +presidential O +library O +/. O + + +Well O +not O +only O +is O +that O +false O +and O +President O +Clinton B-PERSON +has O +said O +so O +but O +everybody O +who O +attended O +the O +meeting O +not O +including O +Louis B-PERSON +Freeh I-PERSON +says O +it O +'s O +false O +/. O + + +And O +my O +problem O +with O +Sixty O +Minutes O +is O +that O +they O +never O +called O +anybody O +at O +the O +meeting O +/. O + + +Until O +Friday B-TIME +afternoon I-TIME +we O +did O +n't O +even O +know O +the O +charge O +was O +being O +made O +/. O + + +And O +even O +then O +they O +were O +unwilling O +to O +put O +somebody O +on O +the O +air O +to O +contradict O +Mister O +Freeh B-PERSON +/. O + + +Sixty B-ORG +Minutes I-ORG +says O +Bill B-PERSON +Clinton I-PERSON +was O +offered O +a O +chance O +to O +come O +on O +and O +give O +his O +rebuttal O +/. O + + +What O +'s O +wrong O +with O +that O +/? O + + +Well O +first B-ORDINAL +of O +all O +it O +'s O +absolutely O +amazing O +that O +Sixty B-ORG +Minutes I-ORG +thinks O +it O +'s O +okay O +to O +air O +a O +false O +and O +malicious O +statement O +/. O + + +This O +is O +a O +terrible O +charge O +that O +an O +FBI B-ORG +investigation O +was O +thwarted O +because O +President O +Clinton B-PERSON +wanted O +to O +receive O +money O +for O +his O +library O +/. O + + +The O +charge O +was O +false O +/. O + + +and O +the O +only O +way O +that O +that O +can O +be O +countered O +is O +a O +former O +president O +of O +the B-GPE +United I-GPE +States I-GPE +/? O + + +What O +about O +anybody O +at O +the O +meeting O +who O +was O +willing O +to O +be O +on O +/? O + + +What O +about O +them O +doing O +reporting O +themselves O +before O +they O +air O +a O +false O +and O +demonstrably O +false O +charge O +/? O + + +That O +'s O +my O +problem O +/. O + + +What O +about O +Sandy B-PERSON +Berger I-PERSON +the O +former O +national O +security O +advisor O +under O +President O +Clinton B-PERSON +/? O + + +He O +was O +at O +the O +meeting O +/. O + + +He O +was O +in O +the O +room O +/. O + + +Did O +you O +offer O +him O +for O +an O +on O +- O +camera O +interview O +/? O + + +Well O +on O +Friday B-TIME +afternoon I-TIME +/. O + + +You O +were O +n't O +there O +/. O + + +I O +was O +not O +there O +/. O + + +You O +'re O +good O +on O +television O +/. O + + +but O +you O +were O +n't O +there O +/. O + + +uh O +I O +talked O +to O +Sandy B-PERSON +Berger I-PERSON +/. O + + +We O +issued O +a O +statement O +from O +Mister O +Berger B-PERSON +/. O + + +but O +this O +was O +Friday B-TIME +afternoon I-TIME +when O +we O +first B-ORDINAL +learned O +about O +it O +with O +Sunday B-DATE +broadcast O +/. O + + +Why O +did O +n't O +Sixty B-ORG +Minutes I-ORG +invite O +Mister O +Berger B-PERSON +or O +other O +people O +at O +the O +meeting O +before O +Friday B-TIME +afternoon I-TIME +/? O + + +Why O +did O +it O +take O +us O +to O +get O +Sixty B-ORG +Minutes I-ORG +to O +do O +basic O +reporting O +to O +verify O +facts O +/? O + + +It O +'s O +not O +enough O +to O +have O +Louis B-PERSON +Freeh I-PERSON +say O +something O +is O +so O +based O +on O +an O +anonymous O +source O +/. O + + +That O +'s O +poor O +journalism O +/. O + + +On O +that O +point O +let O +me O +read O +a O +statement O +from O +a O +Sixty B-ORG +Minutes I-ORG +spokesman O +/. O + + +And O +this O +involves O +uh O +their O +saying O +that O +they O +contacted O +Clinton B-PERSON +'s O +office O +back O +in O +August B-DATE +with O +a O +detailed O +list O +of O +charges O +and O +then O +quote O +in O +subsequent O +phone O +calls O +the O +President O +'s O +people O +said O +he O +did O +not O +want O +to O +be O +interviewed O +/. O + + +They O +gave O +no O ++substantive O +response O +to O +any O +of O +the O +allegations O +until O +Lanny B-PERSON +Davis I-PERSON +launched O +his O +PR O +campaign O +on O +the B-DATE +Thursday I-DATE +before I-DATE +the I-DATE +broadcast I-DATE +and O +offered O +himself O +as O +the O +person O +from O +the O +camp O +who O +would O +merely O +disparage O +and O +attack O +Freeh B-PERSON +rather O +than O +deal O +with O +his O +allegations O +/. O + + +Denials O +from O +President O +Clinton B-PERSON +and O +Sandy B-PERSON +Berger I-PERSON +that O +did O +deal O +with O +Freeh B-PERSON +'s O +allegations O +were O +included O +in O +the O +Sixty B-WORK_OF_ART +Minutes I-WORK_OF_ART +report O +/. O + + +Well O +first O +of O +all O +it O +'s O +false O +to O +say O +that O +I O +was O +asking O +to O +disparage O +Freeh B-PERSON +/. O + + +I O +was O +asking O +to O +talk O +about O +facts O +that O +Freeh B-PERSON +was O +saying O +that O +were O +not O +true O +/. O + + +You O +do O +n't O +mind O +disparaging O +Freeh B-PERSON +/. O + + +my O +observation O +/. O + + +no O +in O +fact O +I O +disparage O +any O +man O +who O +as O +FBI B-ORG +director O +has O +a O +personal O +pique O +rather O +than O +doing O +his O +job O +/. O + + +That O +'s O +disparaging O +/. O + + +Secondly B-ORDINAL +it O +is O +absolutely O +a O +misrepresentation O +that O +they O +told O +us O +before O +just B-DATE +the I-DATE +week I-DATE +before I-DATE +/. O + + +When O +Mister O +Carson B-PERSON +the O +representative O +spoke O +to O +Mister O +Wallace B-PERSON +Mister O +Wallace B-PERSON +agreed O +that O +they O +had O +never O +verified O +what O +Mister O +uh O +Freeh B-PERSON +had O +said O +/. O + + +They O +never O +talked O +to O +Mister O +Freeh B-PERSON +/. O + + +and O +in O +fact O +it O +was O +n't O +until O +that B-DATE +Friday I-DATE +that O +we O +learned O +the O +substance O +of O +Mister O +Freeh B-PERSON +'s O +charges O +/. O + + +So O +Sixty B-ORG +Minutes I-ORG +I O +think O +has O +just O +said O +something O +that O +is O +false O +/. O + + +When O +did O +the O +Clinton B-PERSON +team O +find O +out O +that O +Sixty B-ORG +Minutes I-ORG +was O +going O +to O +report O +that O +Louis B-PERSON +Freeh I-PERSON +with O +his O +new O +book O +was O +going O +to O +have O +a O +specific O +allegation O +about O +Clinton O +'s O +handling O +of O +the O +Khobar B-FAC +Towers I-FAC +investigation O +and O +the O +business O +about O +the O +presidential O +library O +solicitation O +/. O + + +When O +somebody O +named O +Howard B-PERSON +Kurtz I-PERSON +wrote O +a O +story O +in O +the B-ORG +Washington I-ORG +Post I-ORG +on O +Friday B-TIME +morning I-TIME +is O +the O +first B-ORDINAL +time O +that O +the O +Clinton B-PERSON +forces O +learned O +about O +that O +false O +and O +demonstrably O +false O +charge O +that O +good O +reporting O +by O +calling O +people O +who O +were O +at O +the O +meeting O +could O +have O +done O +would O +have O +verified O +that O +Mister O +Freeh B-PERSON +made O +a O +false O +charge O +/. O + + +And O +even O +since O +that O +interview O +Mister O +Freeh B-PERSON +has O +backed O +off O +and O +has O +not O +told O +people O +who O +his O +source O +is O +/. O + + +and O +he O +has O +n't O +even O +insisted O +that O +it O +was O +true O +/. O + + +He O +just O +said O +somebody O +told O +him O +it O +was O +true O +/. O + + +Hold O +on O +/. O + + +Sixty B-ORG +Minutes I-ORG +spokesman O +Kevin B-PERSON +Tedesco I-PERSON +said O +in O +the O +statement O +I O +just O +referred O +to O +that O +the O +Clinton B-PERSON +office O +was O +contacted O +in O +August B-DATE +with O +a O +detailed O +list O +of O +charges O +/. O + + +That O +'s O +false O +/. O + + +Are O +you O +saying O +that O +'s O +false O +/? O + + +They O +were O +never O +told O +/. O +/. O + + +or O +at O +least O +I O +'m O +now O +basing O +this O +on O +what O +Mister O +Carson B-PERSON +has O +told O +me O +/. O + + +Jay B-PERSON +Carson I-PERSON +is O +the O +spokesman O +for O +former O +president O +Bill B-PERSON +Clinton I-PERSON +/. O + + +Jay B-PERSON +Carson I-PERSON +is O +the O +spokesperson O +for O +President O +Clinton B-PERSON +was O +not O +informed O +about O +the O +specific O +charge O +about O +the B-FAC +Khobar I-FAC +Towers I-FAC +which O +happens O +to O +be O +not O +true O +/. O + + +President O +Clinton B-PERSON +at O +that O +uh O +meeting O +did O +press O +the O +uh O +Crown O +Prince O +to O +cooperate O +with O +the O +FBI B-ORG +/. O + + +so O +what O +Mister O +Freeh B-PERSON +said O +was O +false O +/. O + + +That O +was O +not O +understood O +by O +the O +Clinton B-PERSON +people O +until O +it O +was O +read O +in O +the B-ORG +Washington I-ORG +Post I-ORG +in O +the O +story O +that O +you O +wrote O +because O +Sixty B-ORG +Minutes I-ORG +put O +a O +press O +release O +out O +/. O + + +Uh O +now O +look O +Lanny B-PERSON +Davis I-PERSON +Sixty B-ORG +Minutes I-ORG +gave O +Bill B-PERSON +Clinton I-PERSON +one B-TIME +hour I-TIME +last B-DATE +year I-DATE +to O +push O +his O +own O +ten B-MONEY +million I-MONEY +dollar I-MONEY +autobiography O +/. O + + +He O +criticized O +people O +/. O + + +He O +criticized O +Ken B-PERSON +Starr I-PERSON +/. O + + +They O +did O +n't O +have O +Ken B-PERSON +Starr I-PERSON +on O +to O +rebut O +/. O + + +Now O +the O +former O +director O +of O +the B-ORG +Federal I-ORG +Bureau I-ORG +of I-ORG +Investigation I-ORG +uh O +who O +ca O +n't O +stand O +Clinton B-PERSON +clearly O +writes O +a O +book O +gets O +one B-CARDINAL +segment O +for O +his O +book O +/. O + + +and O +you O +cry O +foul O +/. O + + +Nobody O +was O +complaining O +about O +when O +Bill B-PERSON +Clinton I-PERSON +was O +getting O +all O +this O +airtime O +on O +CBS B-ORG +/. O + + +Look O +/. O + + +Look O +this O +is O +a O +program O +about O +good O +journalism O +/. O + + +Let O +'s O +ask O +a O +Sixty B-ORG +Minutes I-ORG +uh O +journalist O +to O +say O +do O +you O +have O +an O +obligation O +to O +verify O +a O +charge O +made O +by O +the O +former O +FBI B-ORG +director O +as O +whether O +it O +'s O +true O +or O +not O +/. O + + +Is O +it O +good O +enough O +to O +air O +it O +just O +because O +he O +says O +it O +/. O + + +or O +should O +you O +do O +reporting O +/? 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O + + +Pakistan B-GPE +'s O +prime O +minister O +says O +it O +killed O +at O +least O +thirty B-CARDINAL +- I-CARDINAL +eight I-CARDINAL +thousand I-CARDINAL +people O +and O +left O +about B-CARDINAL +two I-CARDINAL +and I-CARDINAL +a I-CARDINAL +half I-CARDINAL +million I-CARDINAL +homeless O +/. O + + +Toledo B-GPE +Ohio B-GPE +is O +quiet O +this B-TIME +morning I-TIME +after O +a O +planned O +march O +by O +a O +self O +- O +styled O +nazi O +group O +sparked O +a O +riot O +yesterday B-DATE +/. O + + +The B-ORG +Associated I-ORG +Press I-ORG +says O +police O +arrested O +at B-CARDINAL +least I-CARDINAL +sixty I-CARDINAL +- I-CARDINAL +five I-CARDINAL +people O +/. O + + +The O +march O +never O +got O +started O +/. O + + +but O +hundreds B-CARDINAL +of O +counter-demonstrators O +showed O +up O +and O +battled O +police O +on O +and O +off O +for O +more B-TIME +than I-TIME +three I-TIME +hours I-TIME +/. 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O + + +We O +have O +another O +news O +update O +coming O +up O +in O +just B-TIME +thirty I-TIME +minutes I-TIME +/. O + + +More O +of O +CNN B-ORG +'s O +Reliable B-WORK_OF_ART +Sources I-WORK_OF_ART +continues O +right O +now O +/. O + + +Welcome O +back O +to O +the O +second B-ORDINAL +half O +of O +Reliable B-WORK_OF_ART +Sources I-WORK_OF_ART +/. O + + +Our O +new O +time O +for O +those O +of O +you O +just O +turning O +in O +is O +ten B-TIME +AM I-TIME +eastern I-TIME +seven B-TIME +on O +the O +west O +coast O +/. O + + +And O +we O +'ll O +be O +bringing O +you O +a B-TIME +full I-TIME +hour I-TIME +of O +media O +interviews O +and O +analysis O +each B-DATE +week I-DATE +/. O + + +The O +Iraq B-GPE +story O +which O +the O +media O +has O +placed O +on O +the O +back O +burner O +in O +recent O +months O +is O +simmering O +again O +as O +voters O +in O +that O +war O +torn O +country O +went O +to O +the O +polls O +yesterday B-DATE +to O +vote O +on O +a O +new O +constitution O +with O +the O +results O +yet O +to O +be O +counted O +/. O + + +But O +are O +journalists O +getting O +the O +real O +story O +there O +/? O + + +To O +help O +us O +scrutinize O +the O +coverage O +I O +sat O +down O +with O +a O +foreign O +affairs O +columnist O +of O +the B-ORG +New I-ORG +York I-ORG +Times I-ORG +three B-CARDINAL +time O +Pulitzer B-WORK_OF_ART +winner O +Tom B-PERSON +Friedman I-PERSON +and O +the O +author O +most O +recently O +of O +The B-WORK_OF_ART +World I-WORK_OF_ART +is I-WORK_OF_ART +Flat I-WORK_OF_ART +/. O + + +Tom B-PERSON +Friedman I-PERSON +welcome O +/. O + + +Good O +to O +be O +here O +Howie B-PERSON +/. O + + +thank O +you O +/. O + + +The B-DATE +other I-DATE +day I-DATE +you O +wrote O +that O +if O +you O +were O +the O +editor O +of O +the B-ORG +New I-ORG +York I-ORG +Times I-ORG +you O +would O +'ve O +led O +the O +paper O +with O +the O +news O +of O +recent O +days O +that O +a O +Sunni B-NORP +suicide O +bomber O +on O +Ramadan B-DATE +had O +attacked O +a O +Shiite B-NORP +mosque O +/. O + + +Now O +in O +reality O +the O +world O +that O +you O +do O +n't O +rule O +New B-ORG +York I-ORG +Times I-ORG +Washington B-ORG +Post I-ORG +made O +that O +part O +of O +a O +larger O +story O +on O +Iraq B-GPE +/. O + + +Uh O +nobody O +put O +it O +on O +the O +front O +page O +/. O + + +Bad O +news O +judgement O +/? O + + +Uh O +I O +think O +so O +Howie B-PERSON +/. O + + +I O +'m O +not O +here O +to O +make O +a O +news O +point O +though O +/. O + + +I O +'m O +really O +making O +a O +larger O +point O +which O +is O +about O +the O +war O +on O +terrorism O +/. O + + +I O +'m O +a O +firm O +believer O +/. O + + +How O +we O +ever O +going O +to O +win O +this O +war O +/? O + + +We O +'re O +never O +going O +to O +win O +it O +by O +way O +of O +American B-NORP +intelligence O +finding O +this O +terrorist O +or O +that O +terrorist O +/. O + + +We O +get O +lucky O +every O +once O +in O +a O +while O +/. O + + +but O +there O +'s O +only O +{one?} O +way O +we O +win O +this O +war O +Howie B-PERSON +is O +it O +takes O +a O +village O +/. O + + +It O +only O +happens O +when O +the O +Sunni B-NORP +Muslim I-NORP +world O +basically O +turns O +people O +in O +and O +when O +the O +Sunni B-NORP +Muslim I-NORP +world O +restrains O +their O +own O +/. O + + +And O +what O +was O +so O +shocking O +to O +me O +about O +this O +story O +a O +Sunni B-NORP +Jihadi I-NORP +suicide O +bomber O +blows O +up O +a O +mosque O +number B-CARDINAL +one I-CARDINAL +on O +the B-DATE +first I-DATE +day I-DATE +of I-DATE +Ramadan I-DATE +/. O + + +What O +that O +tells O +you O +is O +that O +there O +'s O +no O +controlling O +moral O +authority O +today B-DATE +in O +the O +Sunni B-NORP +Muslim I-NORP +world O +/. O + + +Well O +what O +is O +the O +bigger O +story O +/? O + + +And O +that O +is O +a O +huge O +story O +/. O + + +I O +think O +it O +should O +have O +been O +a O +big O +story O +/. O + + +Why O +was O +n't O +/- O + + +Is O +it O +because O +of O +Iraq B-GPE +fatigue O +/? O + + +Um O +/. O + + +I O +think O +it O +is O +yeah O +/. O + + +Think O +it O +'s O +/- O + + +Are O +all O +the O +editors O +and O +producers O +and O +new O +executives O +feeling O +another B-DATE +day I-DATE +another O +bombing O +ten B-CARDINAL +killed O +twenty B-CARDINAL +killed O +fifteen B-CARDINAL +killed O +/. O + + +and O +it O +does O +n't O +rise O +anymore O +to O +the O +top O +of O +the O +newscast O +or O +the O +front O +page O +/? O + + +Right O +/. O + + +Yeah O +and O +I O +think O +that O +'s O +right O +/. O + + +There O +is O +Iraq B-GPE +fatigue O +/. O + + +And O +there O +'s O +so O +much O +fatigue O +that O +we O +do O +n't O +sit O +back O +and O +say O +wait O +a B-TIME +minute I-TIME +/. O + + +what O +happened O +today B-DATE +/? O + + +A O +Sunni B-NORP +Muslim I-NORP +fundamentalist O +went O +into O +a O +mosque O +on O +the B-DATE +first I-DATE +day I-DATE +of I-DATE +Ramadan I-DATE +their O +holiest O +day O +/. O + + +and O +no O +one O +says O +boo O +/. O + + +this O +is O +civilization O +that O +when O +we O +accidentally O +or O +deliberately O +I O +do O +n't O +know O +abused O +the O +Koran B-WORK_OF_ART +people O +rioted O +in O +Pakistan B-GPE +/. O + + +Yet O +their O +own O +houses O +of O +worship O +and O +holidays O +are O +being O +defiled O +/. O + + +And O +I O +think O +it O +is O +a O +measure O +of O +how O +much O +we O +'ve O +kind O +of O +lost O +been O +numbed O +by O +all O +of O +this O +that O +we O +do O +n't O +sit O +back O +and O +say O +wow O +wait O +a B-TIME +minute I-TIME +/. O + + +that O +really O +crosses O +the O +line O +/. O + + +and O +we O +have O +to O +call O +them O +on O +it O +even O +if O +they O +do O +n't O +/. O + + +You O +'re O +recently O +back O +from O +Iraq B-GPE +/. O + + +and O +you O +write O +about O +driving O +in O +from O +Kuwait B-GPE +/. O + + +You O +were O +guarded O +by O +the O +US B-GPE +navy O +/. O + + +and O +yet O +it O +was O +kind O +of O +a O +harrowing O +experience O +/. O + + +Why O +so O +/? O + + +Um O +you O +know O +the O +south O +of O +Iraq B-GPE +which O +is O +where O +I O +was O +the O +area O +around O +/. O + + +This O +is O +the O +safe O +part O +/. O + + +Right O +exactly O +/. O + + +I O +was O +in O +the O +safe O +district O +/. O + + +I O +was O +guarded O +uh O +by O +the B-ORG +British I-ORG +Royal I-ORG +Marines I-ORG +actually O +because O +unfortunately O +they O +'ve O +had O +now O +um O +uh O +roadside O +bombs O +down O +there O +not O +suicide O +bombs O +/. O + + +And O +it O +'s O +part O +of O +the O +general O +continuing O +insecurity O +of O +Iraq B-GPE +that O +um O +I O +'m O +afraid O +has O +plagued O +this O +story O +from O +the O +very O +beginning O +/. O + + +And O +it O +'s O +been O +I O +'ve O +always O +felt O +the O +Achille B-PERSON +'s O +heel O +/. O + + +You O +know O +my O +criticism O +of O +the O +Bush B-PERSON +administration O +as O +you O +know O +we O +'ve O +talked O +about O +this O +before O +is O +not O +that O +this O +war O +is O +not O +important O +/. O + + +I O +believe O +it O +is O +important O +much O +more O +important O +than O +I O +think O +the O +left O +has O +ever O +fully O +recognized O +/. O + + +But O +it O +'s O +so O +much O +harder O +than O +the O +right O +has O +ever O +been O +willing O +to O +acknowledge O +/. O + + +And O +on O +that O +trip O +you O +put O +on O +body O +armor O +/. O + + +their O +rifles O +were O +out O +/. O + + +Yeah O +/. O + + +Um O +how O +does O +that O +affect O +your O +perception O +as O +a O +journalist O +/? O + + +You O +'re O +there O +/. O + + +you O +'re O +being O +protected O +/. O + + +and O +you O +must O +have O +been O +a O +little O +bit O +nervous O +of O +what O +the O +safety O +situation O +is O +in O +there O +/. O + + +Well O +I O +'ll O +tell O +you O +what O +'s O +really O +frustrating O +from O +a O +journalist O +'s O +point O +of O +view O +as O +one O +who O +have O +lived O +in O +Beirut B-GPE +for O +nearly B-DATE +five I-DATE +years I-DATE +covered O +that O +war O +/. O + + +When O +I O +worked O +in O +Lebanon B-GPE +you O +could O +go O +anywhere O +on O +that O +story O +/. O + + +You O +could O +cross O +lines O +/. O + + +Journalists O +worked O +for O +the O +most O +part O +until O +the O +very O +end O +with O +Terry B-PERSON +Anderson I-PERSON +the O +kidnappings O +targets O +/. O + + +Therefore O +by O +the O +end O +of O +the O +Lebanon B-GPE +story O +I O +thought O +the O +best O +journalists O +there O +knew O +more O +than O +the O +Lebanese B-NORP +/. O + + +I O +always O +thought O +the O +best O +compliment O +you O +could O +get O +as O +a O +journalist O +is O +when O +you O +told O +the O +Lebanese B-NORP +something O +they O +did O +n't O +know O +because O +you O +were O +moving O +around O +so O +much O +/. O + + +What O +'s O +so O +frustrating O +about O +the O +Iraq B-GPE +story O +Howie B-PERSON +no O +one O +has O +a O +bird O +'s O +eye O +view O +/. O + + +I O +care O +passionately O +about O +this O +story O +/. O + + +I O +'m O +so O +interested O +in O +it O +/. O + + +but O +because O +of O +the O +securtiy O +situation O +you O +ca O +n't O +move O +around O +with O +the O +freedom O +you O +want O +/. O + + +And O +the O +brave O +reporters O +who O +are O +there O +every B-DATE +day I-DATE +do O +n't O +have O +that O +freedom O +of O +movement O +either O +/. O + + +And O +therefore O +it O +'s O +limited O +/. O + + +and O +in O +fact O +as O +you O +know O +the O +administration O +says O +because O +of O +the O +security O +situation O +and O +maybe O +because O +of O +some O +biases O +in O +the O +media O +/. O + + +There O +'s O +a O +lot O +of O +good O +things O +going O +on O +in O +Iraq B-GPE +/. O + + +There O +'s O +a O +lot O +of O +progress O +being O +made O +we O +'re O +not O +seeing O +reported O +by O +the O +press O +/. O + + +Do O +you O +think O +that O +is O +a O +credible O +argument O +at O +this O +point O +in O +the O +mess O +there O +/? O + + +No O +because O +I O +do O +n't O +have O +a O +bird O +'s O +eye O +view O +/. O + + +I O +wish O +I O +could O +say O +/. O + + +I O +wish O +I O +could O +be O +so O +sure O +/. O + + +but O +General O +Casey B-PERSON +does O +n't O +have O +a O +bird O +'s O +eye O +view O +/. O + + +And O +that O +'s O +why O +we O +get O +surprises O +in O +Iraq B-GPE +/. O + + +Uh O +that O +'s O +why O +we O +had O +an O +election O +where O +eight B-CARDINAL +million I-CARDINAL +people O +suddenly O +turn O +out O +/. O + + +and O +maybe O +you O +know O +we O +'re O +going O +to O +see O +more O +surpises O +in O +the O +coming O +future O +there O +/. O + + +But O +because O +no O +one O +can O +move O +around O +with O +the O +freedom O +that O +you O +need O +to O +talk O +to O +everyone O +you O +do O +n't O +have O +that O +bird O +'s O +eye O +view O +/. O + + +And O +as O +a O +reporter O +as O +a O +columnist O +who O +really O +cares O +about O +this O +story O +I O +find O +that O +really O +frustra- O +/- O + + +I O +can O +not O +report O +it O +the O +way O +I O +'d O +love O +to O +/. O + + +So O +I O +'ve O +been O +there O +five B-CARDINAL +times O +/. O + + +but O +it O +'s O +episodic O +/. O + + +It O +'s O +here O +/. O + + +It O +'s O +there O +/. O + + +It O +'s O +never O +really O +putting O +your O +arms O +around O +the O +story O +/. O + + +pulling O +back O +the O +camera O +a O +bit O +in O +recent B-DATE +months I-DATE +you O +'d O +have O +to O +say O +that O +the O +Iraq B-GPE +story O +has O +been O +overshadowed O +by O +Katrina B-EVENT +by O +Rita B-EVENT +by O +Tom B-PERSON +DeLay I-PERSON +by O +Harriet B-PERSON +Miers I-PERSON +by O +Valerie B-PERSON +Plame I-PERSON +and O +now O +by O +this O +Pakistan B-GPE +earthquake O +/. O + + +Um O +inevitable O +with O +a O +war O +that O +drags O +on O +and O +on O +/. O + + +and O +these O +are O +all O +also O +important O +stories O +obviously O +/. O + + +but O +uh O +do O +you O +feel O +it O +'s O +getting O +the O +attention O +that O +it O +should O +/? O + + +Yeah O +/. O + + +No O +because O +to O +me O +this O +is O +the O +whole O +ballgame O +of O +the O +Bush B-PERSON +administration O +/. O + + +Katrina B-EVENT +and O +Rita B-EVENT +they O +'ll O +come O +and O +go O +/. O + + +but O +at O +the O +end O +of O +the O +day O +the O +Bush B-PERSON +administration O +made O +a O +very O +big O +claim O +um O +that O +it O +could O +go O +to O +Iraq B-GPE +um O +and O +produce O +a O +decent O +forward O +looking O +government O +there O +/. O + + +If O +that O +happens O +then O +I O +think O +President O +Bush B-PERSON +is O +going O +to O +have O +a O +very O +huge O +quiver O +you O +know O +in O +his O +uh O +legacy O +there O +/. O + + +Um O +if O +it O +does O +n't O +happen O +I O +think O +uh O +the O +administration O +will O +be O +seen O +as O +a O +complete O +and O +utter O +failure O +/. O + + +so O +everything O +rides O +on O +this O +not O +just O +for O +the O +administration O +though O +but O +for O +the O +American B-NORP +people O +/. O + + +These O +are O +huge O +stakes O +involved O +/. O + + +And O +so O +I O +do O +n't O +think O +it O +'s O +gotten O +the O +attention O +it O +'s O +deserved O +/. O + + +And O +going O +back O +again O +to O +one O +of O +your O +Iraq B-GPE +collumns O +uh O +you O +observed O +the O +Iraqi B-NORP +military O +there O +which O +after O +all O +is O +supposed O +to O +be O +increasingly O +shouldering O +the O +burden O +of O +this O +conflict O +/. O + + +The O +slightly O +ragged O +quality O +left O +you O +feeling O +you O +write O +that O +if O +you O +pulled O +the O +US B-GPE +and O +British B-NORP +advisors O +out O +tomorrow B-DATE +the O +whole O +Iraqi B-NORP +navy O +would O +collapse O +/. O + + +That O +'s O +a O +pretty O +pessimistic O +assessment O +and O +clearly O +at O +odds O +with O +what O +the B-ORG +White I-ORG +House I-ORG +and O +the B-ORG +Defense I-ORG +Department I-ORG +say O +every B-DATE +day I-DATE +/. O + + +/. O + + +Not O +at O +odds O +though O +with O +what O +actually O +the O +military O +commanders O +have O +been O +saying O +which O +is O +that O +the O +number O +of O +really O +trained O +Iraqi B-NORP +units O +you O +know O +are O +far O +fewer O +than O +sometimes O +suggested O +by O +the O +administration O +/. O + + +So O +you O +'re O +saying O +there O +'s O +a O +gap O +between O +what O +real O +time O +military O +commanders O +on O +the O +ground O +are O +willing O +to O +tell O +you O +not O +necessarily O +on O +the O +record O +/. O + + +You O +quoted O +one B-CARDINAL +US B-GPE +senior O +official O +and O +what O +the O +President O +of O +the B-GPE +United I-GPE +States I-GPE +and O +the O +Vice O +President O +and O +the O +Secretary O +of O +Defense B-ORG +are O +saying O +to O +reporters O +every B-DATE +day I-DATE +/. O + + +Are O +we O +calling O +them O +on O +that O +/? O + + +Right O +I O +do O +n't O +think O +enough O +because O +there O +'s O +been O +a O +lot O +of O +happy O +talk O +around O +this O +Howie B-PERSON +basically O +/. O + + +And O +a O +lot O +of O +numbers O +are O +thrown O +out O +/. O + + +Eighty B-CARDINAL +thousand I-CARDINAL +this B-DATE +week I-DATE +we O +'ve O +got O +trained O +a B-CARDINAL +hundred I-CARDINAL +and I-CARDINAL +twenty I-CARDINAL +thousand I-CARDINAL +next B-DATE +week I-DATE +/. O + + +Here O +'s O +what O +you O +learn O +when O +you O +go O +to O +Iraq B-GPE +/. O + + +Where O +you O +have O +an O +Iraqi B-NORP +commander O +who O +'s O +a O +real O +leader O +of O +soldiers O +okay O +you O +have O +a O +unit O +/. O + + +And O +where O +you O +do O +n't O +have O +that O +commander O +you O +do O +n't O +have O +a O +unit O +/. O + + +So O +the O +numbers O +the O +macro O +numbers O +do O +n't O +mean O +anything O +/. O + + +So O +I O +went O +down O +to O +see O +the O +navy O +there O +/. O + + +The O +navy O +of O +Iraq B-GPE +has O +a O +terrific O +commander O +/. O + + +so O +the O +people O +around O +him O +they O +'ll O +follow O +him O +into O +battle O +/. O + + +But O +you O +take O +that O +one B-CARDINAL +guy O +out O +there O +'s O +no O +Iraqi B-NORP +navy O +/. O + + +and O +it O +'s O +true O +of O +units O +all O +over O +the O +country O +/. O + + +That O +'s O +really O +the O +key O +/. O + + +You O +say O +that O +you O +are O +angry O +uh O +that O +Bush B-PERSON +has O +fought O +the O +war O +as O +though O +it O +would O +be O +easy O +/. O + + +Are O +you O +particularly O +angry O +as O +somebody O +who O +supported O +the O +war O +and O +took O +heat O +from O +some O +of O +your O +liberal O +friends O +for O +doing O +so O +/? O + + +Yes O +/. O + + +Absolutely O +because O +I O +believe O +this O +is O +important O +/. O + + +I O +believe O +that O +something O +very O +big O +is O +at O +stake O +/. O + + +We O +'re O +dealing O +with O +a O +Muslim B-NORP +Arab I-NORP +civilization O +right O +now O +that O +'s O +that O +'s O +in O +decline O +, O +that O +'s O +heading O +in O +the O +wrong O +direction O +in O +ways O +that O +are O +dangerous O +for O +them O +and O +I O +believe O +dangerous O +for O +the O +stability O +of O +the O +world O +/. O + + +There O +'s O +something O +really O +important O +here O +at O +stake O +/. O + + +and O +what O +makes O +me O +so O +angry O +at O +the O +Bush B-PERSON +administration O +is O +not O +that O +they O +did O +n't O +frame O +the O +stakes O +/. O + + +It O +is O +important O +/. O + + +But O +they O +never O +never O +appreciated O +how O +difficult O +it O +was O +/. O + + +They O +never O +prepared O +the O +army O +or O +the O +American B-NORP +people O +for O +how O +difficult O +it O +was O +/. O + + +I O +mentioned O +the O +uh O +devastating O +earthquake O +in O +Pakistan B-GPE +a O +region O +you O +'re O +familiar O +with O +/. O + + +Um O +clearly O +it O +'s O +become O +a O +pretty O +big O +story O +/. O + + +but O +for O +the B-DATE +first I-DATE +couple I-DATE +days I-DATE +I O +noticed O +it O +was O +n't O +that O +much O +of O +a O +television O +story O +/. O + + +and O +the O +reason O +was O +no O +pictures O +no O +video O +/. O + + +No O +yes O +/. O + + +Um O +but O +also O +maybe O +there O +was O +there O +a O +little O +bit O +less O +coverage O +because O +it O +'s O +in O +a O +remote O +part O +of O +the O +world O +/? O + + +Uh O +Westerners B-NORP +are O +more O +interested O +in O +New B-GPE +Orleans I-GPE +than O +in O +Pakistan B-GPE +/? O + + +I O +think O +all O +of O +the O +above O +/. O + + +We O +'re O +so O +numbed O +also O +after O +Katrina B-EVENT +and O +Rita B-EVENT +/. O + + +and O +now O +another O +earthquake O +/. O + + +/. 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O + + +Mr. O +Ambassador O +good O +morning B-TIME +/. O + + +Thank O +you O +Tim B-PERSON +/. O + + +good O +morning B-TIME +/. O + + +Will O +the B-GPE +United I-GPE +States I-GPE +insist O +that O +the B-ORG +United I-ORG +Nations I-ORG +impose O +sanctions O +against O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +/? O + + +Well O +we O +are O +pursuing O +a O +very O +aggressive O +resolution O +up O +in O +New B-GPE +York I-GPE +at O +the B-ORG +Security I-ORG +Council I-ORG +/. O + + +and O +we O +think O +we O +'ve O +got O +the O +votes O +to O +pass O +that O +/. O + + +But O +we O +'re O +also O +operating O +on O +multiple O +diplomatic O +fronts O +/. O + + +We O +have O +our O +lead O +negotiator O +Chris B-PERSON +Hill I-PERSON +Ambassador O +Hill B-PERSON +in O +Beijing B-GPE +Seoul B-GPE +and O +Tokyo B-GPE +this B-DATE +week I-DATE +/. O + + +President O +Bush B-PERSON +and O +Secretary O +Rice B-PERSON +have O +been O +working O +the O +phones O +with O +uh O +their O +counterparts O +/. O + + +And O +we O +'ve O +also O +had O +a O +very O +interesting O +development O +today B-DATE +/. O + + +the O +Chinese B-NORP +Government O +is O +sending O +tonight B-TIME +to O +a O +senior O +delegation O +/. O + + +And O +you O +know O +frankly O +we O +think O +it O +'s O +time O +for O +China B-GPE +to O +use O +its O +influence O +with O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +/. O + + +The O +Chinese B-NORP +have O +influence O +certainly O +more O +than O +the B-GPE +United I-GPE +States I-GPE +and O +the O +other O +members O +of O +the O +international O +community O +dealing O +with O +this O +problem O +/. O + + +China B-GPE +now O +has O +an O +opportunity O +to O +put O +its O +best O +foot O +forward O +, O +to O +send O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +a O +direct O +message O +that O +these O +missile O +tests O +can O +not O +be O +tolerated O +and O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +now O +have O +to O +come O +back O +to O +the O +September B-DATE +nineteenth I-DATE +two I-DATE +thousand I-DATE +five I-DATE +agreement O +and O +they O +'ve O +got O +to O +denuclearize O +give O +up O +their O +nuclear O +ambitions O +and O +abide O +by O +the O +agreement O +that O +they O +made O +with O +the O +rest O +of O +us O +nearly B-DATE +a I-DATE +year I-DATE +ago I-DATE +/. O + + +But O +the B-NORP +South I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +and O +the O +Chinese B-NORP +have O +both O +said O +they O +do O +not O +believe O +there O +should O +be O +sanctions O +against O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +/. O + + +Will O +the O +US B-GPE +absolutely O +insist O +that O +there O +be O +sanctions O +in O +the O +UN B-ORG +resolution O +/? O + + +If O +you O +look O +at O +this O +UN B-ORG +resolution O +that O +'s O +under O +debate O +in O +New B-GPE +York I-GPE +it O +does O +/. O + + +it O +'s O +a O +chapter B-LAW +seven I-LAW +resolution O +so O +it O +has O +the O +effect O +of O +compulsory O +behavior O +by O +all O +the O +member O +states O +/. O + + +It O +says O +that O +what O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +did O +was O +a O +threat O +to O +international O +peace O +and O +security O +/. O + + +It O +does O +ask O +all O +member O +states O +not O +to O +engage O +in O +nuclear O +trade O +with O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +/. O + + +That O +strikes O +us O +as O +an O +obvious O +point O +/. O + + +And O +I O +think O +what O +we O +have O +to O +do O +we O +'ll O +see O +a O +lot O +of O +diplomacy O +over O +the B-DATE +next I-DATE +couple I-DATE +of I-DATE +days I-DATE +/. O + + +we O +'ll O +have O +to O +see O +how O +the O +Chinese B-NORP +and O +Russians B-NORP +react O +to O +this O +/. O + + +but O +our O +view O +is O +that O +the O +five B-CARDINAL +parties O +ought O +to O +remain O +united O +and O +that O +the O +goal O +of O +the O +current O +diplomacy O +should O +be O +to O +use O +the O +combined O +leverage O +of O +China B-GPE +and O +Russia B-GPE +'s O +of O +South B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +Japan B-GPE +and O +the B-GPE +United I-GPE +States I-GPE +to O +force O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +back O +to O +the O +negotiating O +table O +/. O + + +That O +'s O +certainly O +the O +best O +policy O +for O +the B-GPE +United I-GPE +States I-GPE +/. O + + +Force O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +back O +to O +the O +negotiating O +table O +/. O + + +there O +are O +many O +as O +you O +know O +Mister O +Ambassador O +who O +believe O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +did O +this O +launch O +on O +the B-DATE +fourth I-DATE +of I-DATE +July I-DATE +to O +get O +our O +attention O +Because O +they O +saw O +the O +way O +we O +were O +treating O +Iran B-GPE +differently O +than O +we O +were O +treating O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +/. O + + +Here O +'s O +one O +Nicholas B-PERSON +Burns I-PERSON +on O +National B-ORG +Public I-ORG +Radio I-ORG +/. O + + +With O +Iran B-GPE +the B-GPE +United I-GPE +States I-GPE +has O +made O +an O +offer O +/. O + + +and O +that O +is O +we O +are O +willing O +to O +sit O +down O +and O +negotiate O +with O +the O +Iranians B-NORP +assuming O +and O +contingent O +upon O +their O +suspension O +of O +their O +nuclear O +activities O +at O +their O +plant O +in O +the O +in O +Iran B-GPE +/. O + + +Why O +not O +sit O +down O +in O +the O +same O +way O +with O +North B-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +Say O +to O +them O +stop O +developing O +your O +program O +/. O + + +and O +we O +'ll O +sit O +down O +with O +you O +one B-CARDINAL +on O +one B-CARDINAL +/. O + + +Well O +Tim B-PERSON +we O +'re O +trying O +to O +sit O +down O +with O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +in O +the O +context O +of O +the O +six B-CARDINAL +party O +talks O +/. O + + +We O +'ve O +been O +saying O +for O +months B-DATE +now O +that O +the O +right O +step O +forward O +is O +for O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +to O +return O +to O +these O +talks O +/. O + + +but O +we O +really O +do O +n't O +see O +the O +logic O +in O +turning O +this O +into O +a O +test O +of O +wills O +between O +two B-CARDINAL +countries O +the B-GPE +United I-GPE +States I-GPE +and O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +/. O + + +The O +fact O +is O +that O +China B-GPE +has O +the O +same O +interest O +as O +the B-GPE +United I-GPE +States I-GPE +/. O + + +It O +should O +have O +the O +same O +interest O +/. O + + +And O +that O +is O +to O +stop O +the O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +nuclear O +program O +/. O + + +Our O +allies O +Japan B-GPE +and O +South B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +have O +the O +same O +interests O +/. O + + +and O +the O +Russians B-NORP +do O +as O +well O +/. O + + +And O +so O +we O +think O +we O +'re O +far O +better O +off O +working O +within O +the O +framework O +of O +the O +six B-CARDINAL +party O +talks O +because O +you O +get O +in O +that O +process O +the O +combined O +leverage O +the O +combined O +strength O +and O +frankly O +the O +combined O +pressure O +on O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +of O +all O +these O +different O +countries O +/. O + + +I O +simply O +do O +n't O +see O +why O +it O +'s O +in O +the O +interest O +of O +the B-GPE +United I-GPE +States I-GPE +to O +get O +those O +countries O +out O +of O +the O +way O +and O +only O +deal O +with O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +directly O +/. O + + +So O +the O +problem O +here O +is O +not O +the O +lack O +of O +discussion O +between O +the B-GPE +United I-GPE +States I-GPE +and O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +/. O + + +We O +'re O +perfectly O +willing O +to O +sit O +down O +with O +them O +in O +that O +six B-CARDINAL +party O +environment O +/. O + + +and O +in O +that O +sense O +it O +'s O +analogous O +to O +what O +we O +'re O +trying O +to O +do O +with O +Iran B-GPE +/. O + + +Secretary O +Rice B-PERSON +announced O +about B-DATE +a I-DATE +month I-DATE +ago I-DATE +that O +should O +the O +Iranians B-NORP +meet O +the O +condition O +of O +suspension O +of O +their O +own O +nuclear O +activities O +we O +'d O +be O +willing O +to O +sit O +down O +in O +another O +multilateral O +forum O +/. O + + +and O +that O +'s O +with O +the O +Europeans B-NORP +and O +Russians B-NORP +and O +Chinese B-NORP +/. O + + +So O +really O +you O +know O +the O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +problem O +is O +not O +a O +problem O +just O +for O +the B-GPE +United I-GPE +States I-GPE +/. O + + +What O +they O +did O +the B-DATE +other I-DATE +day I-DATE +on O +July B-DATE +fourth I-DATE +was O +to O +disrupt O +the O +peace O +and O +harmony O +of O +their O +relations O +with O +the O +Asian B-LOC +countries O +/. O + + +And O +the O +Asian B-LOC +countries O +want O +to O +be O +involved O +in O +these O +negotiations O +/. O + + +Is O +it O +the O +policy O +of O +the O +Bush B-PERSON +administration O +that O +we O +'d O +like O +to O +see O +regime O +change O +in O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +/? O + + +Well O +this O +is O +one B-CARDINAL +of O +the O +most O +despotic O +regimes O +in O +the O +world O +/. O + + +it O +'s O +a O +major O +human O +rights O +violator O +/. O + + +There O +'s O +massive O +famine O +/. O + + +And O +certainly O +we O +hope O +for O +the O +day O +will O +come O +when O +those O +people O +will O +live O +in O +peace O +and O +be O +governed O +by O +a O +different O +type O +of O +government O +/. O + + +Uh O +what O +we O +'ve O +got O +to O +do O +now O +of O +course O +is O +focus O +on O +the O +most O +immediate O +problem O +/. O + + +And O +that O +problem O +is O +nuclear O +weapons O +/. O + + +The O +problem O +is O +the O +ballistic O +launches O +of O +the B-DATE +other I-DATE +day I-DATE +/. O + + +I O +think O +the O +thing O +to O +remember O +about O +those O +launches O +by O +the O +way O +they O +were O +provocative O +, O +they O +were O +reckless O +, O +they O +were O +also O +unsuccessful O +/. O + + +They O +fired O +four B-CARDINAL +scud O +missiles O +intermediate O +range O +missiles O +/. O + + +They O +tried O +to O +fire O +the O +longer O +range O +missile O +the O +/. O + + +and O +that O +was O +spectacularly O +unsuccessful O +/. O + + +It O +crashed O +in O +the B-LOC +sea I-LOC +of I-LOC +Japan I-LOC +/. O + + +So O +we O +obviously O +have O +an O +opportunity O +now O +for O +diplomacy O +. O +And O +an O +opportunity O +to O +use O +the O +combined O +strength O +of O +all O +these O +countries O +to O +provide O +some O +leverage O +put O +some O +leverage O +against O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +/. O + + +and O +that O +'s O +what O +we O +will O +continue O +to O +try O +to O +do O +in O +the O +coming B-DATE +days I-DATE +and O +coming B-DATE +weeks I-DATE +/. O + + +Will O +the B-GPE +United I-GPE +States I-GPE +give O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +security O +assurances O +that O +we O +will O +not O +attack O +their O +country O +or O +seek O +to O +undermine O +their O +regime O +/? O + + +If O +you O +look O +back O +at O +this O +historic O +agreement O +that O +was O +signed O +in O +the O +six B-CARDINAL +party O +frameworks O +on O +September B-DATE +nineteenth I-DATE +of I-DATE +two I-DATE +thousand I-DATE +five I-DATE +those O +types O +of O +assurances O +are O +in O +that O +agreement O +/. O + + +But O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +have O +obligations O +/. O + + +and O +that O +is O +to O +take O +down O +their O +nuclear O +program O +dismantle O +it O +dismantle O +their O +weapons O +of O +mass O +destruction O +programs O +in O +a O +verifiable O +way O +before O +all O +those O +assurances O +can O +go O +into O +place O +/. O + + +All O +the O +other O +elements O +of O +the O +agreement O +can O +be O +put O +into O +place O +/. O + + +And O +what O +we O +'ve O +seen O +since O +then O +is O +we O +'ve O +seen O +the B-GPE +United I-GPE +States I-GPE +and O +Russia B-GPE +and O +China B-GPE +and O +Japan B-GPE +and O +South B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +willing O +to O +go O +forward O +willing O +to O +sit O +down O +willing O +to O +implement O +this O +entire O +agreement O +that O +you O +just O +referred O +to O +Tim B-PERSON +/. O + + +but O +we O +see O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +walking O +away O +from O +it O +/. O + + +So O +we O +'ve O +got O +to O +be O +very O +persistent O +and O +frankly O +very O +tough O +in O +combining O +with O +these O +other O +countries O +to O +pressure O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +to O +live O +up O +to O +their O +commitments O +/. O + + +But O +we O +would O +be O +willing O +to O +give O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +increased O +economic O +aid O +perhaps O +light O +nuclear O +reactors O +for O +peaceful O +means O +and O +security O +assurance O +if O +in O +fact O +they O +sat O +down O +and O +negotiated O +/? O + + +The B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +know O +what O +'s O +in O +the O +September B-DATE +nineteenth I-DATE +agreement O +/. O + + +and O +it O +'s O +very O +specific O +about O +what O +the B-GPE +United I-GPE +States I-GPE +is O +willing O +to O +do O +uh O +to O +take O +a O +step O +forward O +towards O +them O +should O +they O +dismantle O +all O +their O +nuclear O +programs O +and O +their O +weapons O +of O +mass O +destruction O +/. O + + +But O +they O +'ve O +got O +responsibilities O +in O +this O +agreement O +/. O + + +and O +no O +agreement O +is O +whole O +until O +both O +sides O +meet O +their O +agreement O +/. O + + +And O +what O +we O +'ve O +seen O +Tim O +especially O +on O +July B-DATE +Fourth I-DATE +is O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +in O +outright O +violation O +of O +the O +agreement O +that O +we O +made O +with O +them O +last B-DATE +September I-DATE +/. O + + +Why O +do O +you O +think O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +chose O +July B-DATE +Fourth I-DATE +/? O + + +Oh O +I O +do O +n't O +think O +it O +was O +coincidental O +/. O + + +You O +know O +it O +'s O +a O +very O +unreliable O +and O +unpredictable O +regime O +/. O + + +The O +last O +thing O +we O +want O +to O +do O +is O +react O +to O +every O +wild O +statement O +that O +they O +make O +/. O + + +but O +they O +certainly O +chose O +that O +to O +get O +our O +attention O +and O +that O +of O +the O +international O +community O +/. O + + +Uh O +but O +what O +they O +'ve O +got O +to O +realize O +is O +there O +is O +no O +magic O +bullet O +here O +/. O + + +They O +ca O +n't O +just O +think O +that O +they O +can O +sit O +down O +with O +the B-GPE +United I-GPE +States I-GPE +alone O +/. O + + +That O +does O +n't O +work O +for O +Japan B-GPE +/. O + + +it O +does O +n't O +work O +with O +South B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +/. O + + +and O +frankly O +it O +does O +n't O +work O +with O +the O +Chinese B-NORP +/. O + + +So O +I O +said O +before O +that O +one O +of O +the O +most O +interesting O +developments O +here O +is O +this O +Chinese B-NORP +delegation O +going O +to O +/. O + + +And O +Chris B-PERSON +Hill I-PERSON +our O +ambassador O +was O +in O +China B-GPE +a B-DATE +few I-DATE +days I-DATE +ago I-DATE +/. O + + +he O +made O +the O +point O +and O +Secretary O +Rice B-PERSON +made O +the O +point O +yesterday O +to O +the O +Chinese B-NORP +Foreign O +minister O +, O +we O +want O +to O +see O +China B-GPE +use O +its O +influence O +/. O + + +We O +want O +to O +see O +China B-GPE +push O +forward O +and O +ask O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +to O +meet O +these O +commitments O +that O +they O +'ve O +made O +to O +all O +of O +us O +/. O + + +Speaker O +Newt B-PERSON +Gingrich I-PERSON +the O +former O +speaker O +Republican B-NORP +weighed O +in O +on O +this O +debate O +in O +this O +way O +/. O + + +he O +offered O +this O +/. O + + +The O +time O +to O +replace O +the O +state O +department O +'s O +failed O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +strategy O +of O +talk O +forever O +, O +act O +never O +has O +come O +/. O + + +For O +thirteen B-DATE +years I-DATE +the B-GPE +United I-GPE +States I-GPE +has O +talked O +loudly O +about O +a O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +nuclear O +weapons O +and O +ballistic O +missile O +threat O +/. O + + +For O +thirteen B-DATE +years I-DATE +the O +North B-NORP +Korean I-NORP +dictatorship O +has O +lied O +and O +hunkered O +down O +and O +continued O +to O +build O +nuclear O +weapons O +and O +ballistic O +missiles O +/. O + + +The O +strategy O +of O +talking O +has O +failed O +/. O + + +America B-GPE +'s O +actions O +must O +be O +decisive O +or O +faced O +with O +a O +brutal O +totalitarian O +dictatorship O +about O +which O +we O +know O +little O +/. O + + +It O +is O +acting O +in O +defiance O +of O +all O +its O +own O +international O +commitments O +/. O + + +But O +the O +time O +for O +talk O +is O +over O +/. O + + +either O +they O +dismantle O +the O +missile O +/. O + + +or O +we O +the B-GPE +United I-GPE +States I-GPE +should O +dismantle O +it O +/. O + + +Well O +uh O +with O +all O +due O +respect O +to O +Speaker O +Gingrich B-PERSON +we O +are O +on O +a O +course O +which O +has O +a O +reasonable O +chance O +of O +success O +/. O + + +And O +you O +never O +want O +to O +disavow O +a O +diplomatic O +track O +a O +negotiating O +track O +if O +you O +think O +you O +can O +resolve O +the O +problem O +in O +that O +fashion O +/. O + + +And O +as O +I O +said O +before O +we O +are O +not O +alone O +in O +this O +endeavor O +/. O + + +we O +have O +countries O +united O +with O +us O +who O +can O +apply O +the O +same O +type O +of O +pressure O +/. O + + +I O +will O +say O +this O +what O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +have O +done O +over O +the B-DATE +past I-DATE +week I-DATE +is O +going O +to O +give O +a O +lot O +of O +strength O +in O +our O +efforts O +to O +develop O +a O +missile O +defense O +system O +/. O + + +You O +'ve O +seen O +very O +strong O +statements O +by O +the O +Japanese B-NORP +government O +wanting O +to O +work O +with O +us O +in O +that O +realm O +/. O + + +So O +obviously O +we O +'re O +going O +to O +pursue O +a O +very O +tough O +very O +decisive O +policy O +over O +the B-DATE +coming I-DATE +weeks I-DATE +designed O +to O +focus O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +on O +their O +obligations O +To O +pressure O +them O +to O +come O +back O +to O +the O +talks O +But O +also O +certainly O +to O +provide O +for O +our O +own O +defense O +and O +the O +defense O +of O +our O +treaty O +allies O +in O +Asia B-LOC +/. O + + +And O +I O +think O +you O +'ll O +see O +us O +move O +ahead O +smartly O +in O +that O +direction O +as O +well O +/. O + + +Uh O +Mister O +Ambassador O +many O +critics O +will O +say O +the B-DATE +six I-DATE +years I-DATE +George B-PERSON +Bush I-PERSON +has O +been O +president O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +'s I-GPE +program O +has O +developed O +rather O +dramatically O +That O +the O +policy O +at O +first B-ORDINAL +of O +isolation O +and O +then O +the O +six B-CARDINAL +party O +talk O +just O +has O +n't O +worked O +/. O + + +Here O +'s O +the O +latest O +study O +from O +the B-ORG +Institute I-ORG +for I-ORG +Science I-ORG +and I-ORG +International I-ORG +Security I-ORG +/. O + + +They O +estimated O +a O +report O +that O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +has O +enough O +separated O +plutonium O +to O +develop O +now O +an O +arsenal O +of O +four B-CARDINAL +to I-CARDINAL +thirteen I-CARDINAL +nuclear O +weapons O +compared O +with O +estimates O +of O +just B-CARDINAL +one I-CARDINAL +or I-CARDINAL +two I-CARDINAL +weapons O +in O +two B-DATE +thousand I-DATE +when O +George B-PERSON +bush I-PERSON +became O +president O +/. O + + +The O +group O +says O +that O +by O +two B-DATE +thousand I-DATE +eight I-DATE +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +could O +have O +enough O +plutonium O +for O +eight B-CARDINAL +to I-CARDINAL +seventeen I-CARDINAL +nuclear O +weapons O +/. O + + +The O +group O +'s O +assessment O +based O +on O +analysis O +of O +satellite O +imagery O +media O +reports O +and O +statements O +by O +North B-NORP +Korean I-NORP +officials O +which O +lead O +Nick B-PERSON +Everstat I-PERSON +a O +conservative O +critic O +from O +the B-ORG +American I-ORG +Enterprise I-ORG +Institute I-ORG +these O +are O +not O +Democrats B-NORP +/- O + + +he O +offered O +this O +/. O + + +although O +the O +Bush B-PERSON +administration O +'s O +rhetoric O +about O +Kim B-PERSON +Jong I-PERSON +- I-PERSON +Il I-PERSON +and O +his O +regime O +has O +sometimes O +seemed O +ferocious O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +'s I-GPE +leaders O +seem O +to O +have O +concluded O +that O +the O +Bush B-PERSON +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +policy O +consists O +mainly O +of O +empty O +words O +and O +that O +oft O +repeated O +warning O +need O +not O +be O +taken O +terribly O +seriously O +/. O + + +By O +more O +than O +one B-CARDINAL +criteria O +indeed O +strategic O +successes O +on O +the O +Bush B-PERSON +watch O +outshine O +those O +from O +its O +during O +the O +Clinton B-PERSON +years O +/. O + + +Would O +you O +acknowledge O +a O +significant O +increase O +in O +the O +nuclear O +capability O +by O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +on O +the O +watch O +of O +President O +Bush B-PERSON +/? O + + +Tim B-PERSON +um O +obviously O +we O +profoundly O +disagree O +with O +um O +some O +of O +the O +statements O +that O +we O +'ve O +just O +heard O +/. O + + +Eh O +you O +know O +we O +'ve O +got O +a O +very O +strong O +military O +force O +and O +deterrent O +force O +at O +work O +in O +Asia B-LOC +and O +particularly O +on O +the B-LOC +Korean I-LOC +peninsula I-LOC +/. O + + +And O +that O +military O +can O +handle O +any O +contingency O +that O +should O +arise O +/. O + + +We O +also O +have O +a O +very O +tough O +policy O +and O +I O +think O +forward O +looking O +policy O +to O +develop O +missile O +defense O +to O +handle O +those O +contingencies O +/. O + + +But O +you O +'ve O +got O +to O +combine O +military O +measures O +with O +diplomacy O +to O +be O +effective O +in O +a O +situation O +like O +this O +/. O + + +The O +fact O +is O +that O +a O +lot O +of O +this O +criticism O +seems O +to O +direct O +the B-GPE +United I-GPE +States I-GPE +back O +to O +a O +test O +of O +wills O +bilaterally O +between O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +and O +the B-GPE +United I-GPE +States I-GPE +/. O + + +What O +we O +want O +to O +do O +is O +we O +want O +to O +ask O +countries O +that O +do O +have O +a O +great O +deal O +of O +influence O +on O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +certainly O +more O +than O +we O +have O +to O +use O +that O +influence O +/. O + + +We O +can O +do O +that O +by O +channeling O +those O +efforts O +through O +the O +six B-CARDINAL +party O +framework O +/. O + + +And O +you O +know O +diplomacy O +sometimes O +ca O +n't O +succeed O +in O +a B-DATE +day I-DATE +or I-DATE +two I-DATE +or O +a B-DATE +week I-DATE +or I-DATE +two I-DATE +/. O + + +Sometimes O +it O +takes O +many B-DATE +months I-DATE +or O +even O +years B-DATE +to O +succeed O +/. O + + +But O +if O +you O +have O +the O +right O +policy O +in O +place O +, O +if O +you O +know O +what O +you O +'re O +trying O +to O +accomplish O +and O +if O +you O +'re O +very O +tough O +- O +minded O +about O +applying O +that O +policy O +we O +can O +be O +successful O +/. O + + +So O +we O +have O +not O +given O +up O +hope O +that O +we O +can O +engineer O +a O +policy O +that O +will O +effectively O +put O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +back O +in O +the O +box O +take O +away O +their O +nuclear O +programs O +and O +take O +away O +their O +ability O +to O +inflict O +threats O +and O +damage O +on O +their O +neighbors O +/. O + + +We O +have O +got O +to O +be O +single O +- O +minded O +about O +this O +/. O + + +we O +certainly O +understand O +the O +gravity O +of O +a O +challenge O +posed O +by O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +/. O + + +but O +frankly O +I O +do O +n't O +think O +these O +critics O +have O +offered O +any O +alternative O +that O +would O +have O +a O +reasonable O +prospect O +of O +success O +or O +lead O +us O +to O +unintended O +consequences O +uh O +if O +you O +went O +down O +the O +road O +that O +some O +of O +them O +are O +suggesting O +/. O + + +And O +we O +think O +we O +'ve O +got O +the O +right O +policy O +in O +place O +/. O + + +and O +I O +can O +assure O +you O +we O +'re O +going O +to O +drive O +with O +a O +great O +deal O +of O +energy O +and O +determination O +/. O + + +But O +you O +do O +not O +deny O +that O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +'s I-GPE +nuclear O +capability O +has O +increased O +during O +the O +presidency O +of O +George B-PERSON +Bush I-PERSON +/? O + + +Well O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +says O +that O +it O +has O +a O +nuclear O +weapons O +capability O +/. O + + +and O +we O +believe O +that O +it O +has O +produced O +that O +over O +the B-DATE +last I-DATE +several I-DATE +years I-DATE +/. O + + +and O +that O +'s O +why O +we O +'ve O +put O +in O +place O +this O +policy O +designed O +to O +take O +it O +away O +from O +them O +/. O + + +And O +if O +we O +can O +have O +the O +September B-DATE +nineteenth I-DATE +two I-DATE +thousand I-DATE +five I-DATE +agreement O +implemented O +it O +will O +do O +just O +that O +/. O + + +It O +will O +effectively O +de-nuclearize O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +/. O + + +And O +so O +that O +is O +a O +good O +bet O +for O +the B-GPE +United I-GPE +States I-GPE +/. O + + +It O +'s O +obviously O +the O +goal O +that O +I O +think O +all O +these O +critics O +that O +you O +cite O +would O +share O +/. O + + +But O +we O +think O +we O +'ve O +got O +a O +much O +more O +realistic O +in O +the O +real O +world O +strategy O +put O +in O +place O +to O +deal O +with O +that O +problem O +/. O + + +But O +there O +has O +been O +a O +profound O +change O +in O +the O +rhetoric O +certainly O +of O +the O +President O +on O +this O +subject O +/. O + + +Here O +'s O +the O +President O +Friday B-DATE +at O +this O +news O +conference O +in O +Chicago B-GPE +about O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +/. O + + +It O +takes O +a O +while O +for O +a O +problem O +to O +fester O +and O +grow O +/. O + + +and O +then O +it O +takes O +a O +while O +to O +solve O +them O +diplomatically O +/. O + + +It O +just O +'s O +the O +nature O +of O +diplomacy O +/. O + + +Wish O +we O +could O +solve O +them O +overnight B-TIME +/. O + + +And O +let O +me O +go O +back O +to O +January B-DATE +of I-DATE +two I-DATE +thousand I-DATE +two I-DATE +in O +the O +President O +'s O +axis O +of O +evil O +speech O +before O +congress B-ORG +/. O + + +Let O +'s O +watch O +/. O + + +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +has O +a O +regime O +arming O +with O +missiles O +and O +weapons O +of O +mass O +destruction O +While O +starving O +its O +citizens O +/. O + + +States O +like O +these O +and O +their O +terrorist O +allies O +constitute O +an O +axis O +of O +evil O +arming O +to O +threaten O +the O +peace O +of O +the O +world O +/. O + + +By O +seeking O +weapons O +of O +mass O +destruction O +these O +regimes O +pose O +a O +grave O +and O +growing O +danger O +/. O + + +We O +'ll O +be O +deliberate O +/. O + + +yet O +time O +is O +not O +on O +our O +side O +/. O + + +I O +will O +not O +wait O +on O +events O +while O +dangers O +gather O +/. O + + +I O +will O +not O +stand O +by O +as O +peril O +draws O +closer O +and O +closer O +/. O + + +The B-GPE +United I-GPE +States I-GPE +of I-GPE +America I-GPE +will O +not O +permit O +the O +world O +'s O +most O +dangerous O +regimes O +to O +threaten O +us O +with O +the O +world O +'s O +most O +destructive O +weapons O +/. O + + +Since O +the O +President O +uttered O +those O +words O +Mister O +Ambassador O +every O +estimate O +is O +that O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +has O +doubled O +its O +capacity O +to O +develop O +nuclear O +weapons O +/. O + + +And O +yet O +we O +'ve O +driven O +forward O +with O +this O +policy O +designed O +to O +respond O +to O +all O +the O +things O +the O +President O +talked O +about O +back O +in O +two B-DATE +thousand I-DATE +two I-DATE +/. O + + +But O +he O +has O +been O +very O +consistent O +since O +then O +in O +putting O +forward O +the O +proposition O +that O +we O +have O +to O +oppose O +the O +human O +rights O +abuses O +of O +the O +government O +/. O + + +We O +have O +to O +try O +to O +draw O +a O +net O +around O +the O +fact O +that O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +is O +the O +leading O +exporter O +of O +ballistic O +missile O +technology O +around O +the O +world O +The O +proliferator O +of O +it O +/. O + + +we O +'ve O +done O +a O +lot O +to O +develop O +missile O +defense O +/. O + + +And O +we O +'ve O +created O +and O +driven O +forward O +this O +diplomatic O +coalition O +designed O +to O +bring O +us O +to O +a O +victory O +in O +denying O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +the O +nuclear O +weaponry O +that O +you O +talk O +about O +/. O + + +So O +we O +have O +been O +very O +activist O +/. O + + +We O +have O +followed O +this O +policy O +for O +a B-DATE +number I-DATE +of I-DATE +years I-DATE +/. O + + +Uh O +the O +President O +is O +right O +/. O + + +And O +as O +I O +said O +before O +diplomacy O +ca O +n't O +be O +measured O +in O +a O +snapshot O +/. O + + +You O +ca O +n't O +just O +say O +in O +a B-TIME +Sunday I-TIME +morning I-TIME +in O +July B-DATE +that O +somehow O +because O +we O +have O +n't O +come O +to O +the O +end O +of O +negotiations O +these O +negotiations O +are O +bound O +to O +fail O +/. O + + +You O +'ve O +got O +to O +be O +very O +purposeful O +and O +directed O +in O +what O +you O +'re O +trying O +to O +do O +and O +apply O +the O +weight O +of O +your O +country O +and O +that O +of O +others O +to O +the O +test O +/. O + + +And O +that O +'s O +what O +we O +'re O +doing O +/. O + + +We O +have O +not O +given O +up O +on O +this O +quest O +to O +come O +to O +the O +end O +of O +these O +negotiations O +and O +put O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +back O +into O +a O +place O +where O +they O +can O +no O +longer O +be O +a O +threat O +to O +their O +neighbors O +or O +to O +the B-GPE +United I-GPE +States I-GPE +/. O + + +But O +again O +it O +'s O +the O +tone O +and O +the O +rhetoric O +/. O + + +Let O +me O +go O +back O +and O +review O +some O +of O +the O +things O +the O +President O +has O +said O +about O +Kim B-PERSON +Jong I-PERSON +- I-PERSON +Il I-PERSON +of O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +/. O + + +I O +loathe O +Kim B-PERSON +Jong I-PERSON +- I-PERSON +Il I-PERSON +/. O + + +I O +got O +a O +visceral O +reaction O +to O +this O +guy O +/. O + + +And O +then O +in O +two B-DATE +thousand I-DATE +four I-DATE +there O +'s O +a O +tyrant O +in O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +that O +wants O +to O +develop O +a O +nuclear O +weapon O +/. O + + +And O +then O +this O +in O +two B-DATE +thousand I-DATE +two I-DATE +/. O + + +the O +President O +called O +him O +a O +pygmy O +And O +compared O +him O +to O +a O +spoiled O +child O +at O +a O +dinner O +table O +/. O + + +Does O +the O +President O +still O +believe O +that O +Kim B-PERSON +Jong I-PERSON +- I-PERSON +Il I-PERSON +is O +a O +tyrant O +a O +pygmy O +and O +a O +spoiled O +child O +/. O + + +Kim B-PERSON +Jong I-PERSON +- I-PERSON +Il I-PERSON +is O +a O +despot O +/. O + + +And O +he O +is O +someone O +who O +is O +one O +of O +the O +worst O +offenders O +of O +human O +rights O +all O +over O +the O +world O +/. O + + +Uh O +these O +missile O +tests O +the B-DATE +other I-DATE +day I-DATE +were O +certainly O +reckless O +/. O + + +They O +were O +provocative O +/. O + + +And O +so O +uh O +we O +have O +n't O +changed O +our O +opinion O +of O +the O +nature O +of O +the O +regime O +in O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +/. O + + +No O +one O +in O +our O +government O +has O +/. O + + +We O +are O +very O +clear O +- O +eyed O +about O +who O +they O +are O +, O +what O +they O +represent O +, O +how O +much O +they O +'ve O +denied O +their O +own O +people O +the O +basic O +human O +rights O +that O +people O +should O +have O +around O +the O +world O +/. O + + +And O +we O +'re O +focused O +on O +this O +nuclear O +question O +as O +well O +/. O + + +So O +I O +think O +there O +'s O +been O +a O +lot O +of O +continuity O +over O +American B-NORP +policy O +both O +in O +the O +substance O +of O +the O +policy O +and O +in O +the O +way O +we O +'ve O +talked O +about O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +over O +the B-DATE +last I-DATE +several I-DATE +years I-DATE +/. O + + +And O +uh O +we O +'re O +determined O +to O +press O +ahead O +/. O + + +When O +the O +president O +talked O +about O +the O +axis O +of O +evil O +he O +said O +Iraq B-GPE +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +and O +Iran B-GPE +/. O + + +The B-GPE +United I-GPE +States I-GPE +invaded O +one B-CARDINAL +of O +those O +countries O +Iraq B-GPE +/. O + + +Some O +now O +make O +the O +case O +that O +Iran B-GPE +and O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +took O +from O +that O +the O +following O +lesson O +that O +if O +you O +develop O +a O +nuclear O +bomb O +and O +have O +a O +strong O +military O +you O +will O +not O +be O +invaded O +by O +the O +US B-GPE +/. O + + +And O +both O +of O +those O +countries O +have O +clearly O +miscalculated O +their O +own O +situation O +/. O + + +Now O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +felt O +I O +guess O +that O +by O +testing O +these O +ballistic O +missiles O +they O +would O +somehow O +put O +themselves O +in O +a O +position O +of O +greater O +weight O +in O +the O +negotiations O +/. O + + +They O +'ve O +miscalculated O +because O +you O +'ve O +seen O +very O +tough O +statements O +from O +the O +Chinese B-NORP +and O +the O +Russians B-NORP +and O +the B-NORP +South I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +and O +the O +Japanese B-NORP +against O +what O +they O +'ve O +done O +/. O + + +and O +you O +see O +momentum O +building O +in O +the O +UN B-ORG +security O +council O +toward O +a O +very O +tough O +chapter B-LAW +seven I-LAW +resolution O +against O +them O +/. O + + +The O +Iranians B-NORP +have O +miscalculated O +/. O + + +They O +thought O +that O +they O +could O +divide O +the B-GPE +United I-GPE +States I-GPE +from O +both O +our O +European B-NORP +allies O +and O +from O +Russia B-GPE +and O +China B-GPE +/. O + + +But O +we O +'ve O +been O +able O +to O +craft O +a O +major O +and O +united O +coalition O +of O +all O +those O +countries O +/. O + + +And O +we O +'ve O +essentially O +given O +the O +Iranians B-NORP +a O +clear O +choice O +/. O + + +And O +you O +'ll O +see O +a O +lot O +of O +this O +unfold O +this B-DATE +week I-DATE +both O +in O +Europe B-LOC +when O +Secretary O +Rice B-PERSON +meets O +with O +her O +counterparts O +on O +Wednesday B-DATE +at O +the O +GA O +summit O +in O +St. B-GPE +Petersburgh I-GPE +At O +the B-DATE +end I-DATE +of I-DATE +the I-DATE +week I-DATE +when O +the O +president O +is O +there O +/. O + + +the O +Iranians B-NORP +are O +going O +to O +have O +to O +choose O +/. O + + +Negotiations O +with O +us O +after O +they O +suspend O +their O +nuclear O +programs O +or O +further O +action O +in O +the B-ORG +Security I-ORG +Council I-ORG +/. O + + +So O +I O +do O +n't O +think O +either O +of O +these O +countries O +is O +on O +the O +offensive O +/. O + + +Frankly O +I O +think O +both O +of O +these O +countries O +are O +rather O +cornered O +and O +isolated O +/. O + + +There O +are O +very O +few O +countries O +defending O +them O +/. O + + +and O +they O +'re O +running O +out O +of O +options O +/. O + + +So O +we O +think O +this O +policy O +of O +patient O +diplomacy O +and O +of O +crafting O +multilateral O +coalitions O +to O +tighten O +the O +pressure O +around O +them O +is O +going O +to O +work O +/. O + + +And O +it O +'s O +the O +right O +way O +to O +go O +clearly O +for O +the B-GPE +United I-GPE +States I-GPE +/. O + + +we O +want O +to O +exhaust O +diplomatic O +means O +before O +we O +consider O +other O +means O +/. O + + +Based O +on O +our O +experience O +in O +Iraq B-GPE +particularly O +with O +our O +emphasis O +on O +the O +weapons O +of O +mass O +destruction O +that O +did O +not O +materialize O +John B-PERSON +Deutch I-PERSON +the O +former O +head O +of O +the O +CIA B-ORG +offered O +this O +observation O +/. O + + +the O +next O +time O +military O +intervention O +is O +judged O +necessary O +to O +combat O +the O +spread O +of O +weapons O +of O +mass O +destruction O +for O +example O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +there O +will O +be O +skepticism O +about O +the O +quality O +of O +our O +intelligence O +/. O + + +Do O +you O +agree O +with O +that O +/? O + + +I O +do O +n't O +/. O + + +not O +in O +the O +case O +of O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +not O +in O +the O +case O +of O +Iran B-GPE +/. O + + +Tim B-PERSON +I O +'ve O +been O +to O +Europe B-LOC +twenty B-CARDINAL +times O +over O +the B-DATE +last I-DATE +fourteen I-DATE +months I-DATE +to O +talk O +to O +the O +Europeans B-NORP +and O +the O +Russians B-NORP +and O +Chinese B-NORP +about O +Iran B-GPE +for O +instance O +/. O + + +There O +'s O +not O +a O +single O +person O +at O +the O +higher O +levels O +of O +those O +government O +who O +does O +n't O +believe O +Iran B-GPE +is O +trying O +to O +create O +a O +nuclear O +weapons O +capability O +/. O + + +There O +is O +n't O +a O +single O +person O +in O +the O +governments O +of O +China B-GPE +or O +Russia B-GPE +or O +South B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +or O +Japan B-GPE +who O +does O +n't O +believe O +that O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +is O +bent O +on O +building O +up O +its O +nuclear O +capability O +/. O + + +There O +is O +no O +argument O +in O +the O +real O +world O +today B-DATE +about O +what O +these O +two B-CARDINAL +countries O +Iran B-GPE +and O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +are O +trying O +to O +do O +/. O + + +There O +is O +no O +argument O +remotely O +similar O +to O +what O +we O +went O +through O +in O +two B-DATE +thousand I-DATE +and I-DATE +two I-DATE +and I-DATE +three I-DATE +with O +our O +European B-NORP +allies O +over O +Iraq B-GPE +/. O + + +In O +fact O +we O +are O +now O +tightly O +knit O +up O +with O +these O +countries O +/. O + + +And O +if O +you O +look O +at O +what O +the O +French B-NORP +German B-NORP +and O +British B-NORP +governments O +are O +saying O +as O +well O +as O +the O +Russian B-NORP +and O +Chinese B-NORP +governments O +about O +whether O +or O +not O +these O +countries O +are O +intending O +to O +create O +a O +nuclear O +weapons O +capability O +they O +agree O +with O +our O +assessment O +/. O + + +So O +I O +do O +n't O +agree O +at O +all O +that O +we O +'re O +somehow O +limited O +in O +what O +we O +can O +do O +and O +limited O +in O +our O +effectiveness O +because O +of O +the O +disagreements O +that O +we O +had O +over O +WMD O +in O +Iraq B-GPE +/. O + + +Let O +me O +conclude O +with O +comments O +by O +Bill B-PERSON +Crystal I-PERSON +the O +editor O +of O +Weekly B-ORG +Standard I-ORG +/. O + + +he O +used O +to O +work O +for O +Vice O +President O +Dan B-PERSON +Quail I-PERSON +/. O + + +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +is O +firing O +missiles O +/. O + + +Iran B-GPE +is O +going O +nuclear O +/. O + + +Somalia B-GPE +is O +controlled O +by O +radical O +Islamists B-NORP +/. O + + +Iraq B-GPE +is O +n't O +getting O +better O +/. O + + +and O +Afghanistan B-GPE +is O +getting O +worse O +/. O + + +I O +give O +the O +President O +a O +lot O +of O +credit O +for O +hanging O +tough O +on O +Iraq B-GPE +/. O + + +but O +I O +am O +worried O +that O +it O +has O +made O +them O +too O +passive O +in O +confronting O +the O +other O +threats O +/. O + + +Have O +a O +preoccupation O +with O +Iraq B-GPE +allowed O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +and O +Iran B-GPE +to O +go O +forward O +with O +their O +nuclear O +programs O +and O +limited O +our O +options O +/? O + + +Well O +I O +strongly O +disagree O +with O +that O +criticism O +from O +Bill B-PERSON +Crystal I-PERSON +/. O + + +And O +I O +disagree O +for O +one B-CARDINAL +reason O +/. O + + +We O +have O +a O +very O +strong O +and O +active O +government O +/. O + + +from O +the O +Pentagon B-ORG +from O +the B-ORG +State I-ORG +Department I-ORG +the B-ORG +White I-ORG +House I-ORG +Treasury B-ORG +we O +are O +focused O +on O +all O +these O +problems O +/. O + + +We O +created O +over O +the B-DATE +last I-DATE +fifteen I-DATE +months I-DATE +a O +major O +international O +coalition O +to O +corner O +the O +Iranian B-NORP +government O +And O +to O +isolate O +them O +/. O + + +And O +that O +'s O +been O +a O +diplomatic O +success O +over O +the B-DATE +last I-DATE +several I-DATE +months I-DATE +/. O + + +We O +'ve O +now O +got O +this O +six B-CARDINAL +party O +talk O +framework O +we O +hope O +coming O +back O +together O +/. O + + +and O +certainly O +the O +five B-CARDINAL +countries O +are O +united O +/. O + + +Uh O +Secretary O +Rumsfeld B-PERSON +was O +in O +Afghanistan B-GPE +this B-TIME +morning I-TIME +/. O + + +and O +Secretary O +Rice B-PERSON +was O +there O +ten B-DATE +days I-DATE +ago I-DATE +/. O + + +and O +we O +'re O +giving O +that O +government O +president O +government O +all O +the O +support O +it O +can O +get O +/. O + + +We O +are O +a O +government O +that O +can O +operate O +/. O + + +and O +we O +have O +to O +operate O +in O +every O +part O +of O +the O +world O +/. O + + +We O +'re O +a O +global O +superpower O +/. O + + +We O +have O +tremendous O +resources O +at O +our O +disposal O +/. O + + +and O +frankly O +we O +'ve O +got O +a O +first O +class O +military O +and O +a O +first O +class O +diplomatic O +effort O +/. O + + +and O +we O +can O +certainly O +take O +on O +all O +these O +issues O +and O +be O +successful O +simultaneously O +/. O + + +And O +we O +will O +be O +watching O +/. O + + +Ambassador O +Nicholas B-PERSON +Burns I-PERSON +we O +thank O +you O +for O +sharing O +your O +views O +/. O + + +Thanks O +Tim B-PERSON +/. O + + +Coming O +next O +the O +view O +of O +three B-CARDINAL +former O +Clinton B-PERSON +Administration O +officials O +who O +spent O +years O +dealing O +with O +the O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +problem O +former O +Assistant O +Secretary O +of O +Defense B-ORG +Ashton B-PERSON +Carter I-PERSON +chief O +State B-ORG +Department I-ORG +negotiator O +now O +at O +the B-ORG +Georgetown I-ORG +University I-ORG +Robert B-PERSON +Gallucci I-PERSON +And O +former O +US B-GPE +ambassador O +to O +the O +UN B-ORG +now O +Governor O +of O +New B-GPE +Mexico I-GPE +Bill B-PERSON +Richardson I-PERSON +/. O + + +They O +are O +all O +right O +here O +next O +only O +on O +Meet B-WORK_OF_ART +The I-WORK_OF_ART +Press I-WORK_OF_ART +/. O + + +And O +we O +are O +back O +/. O + + +Welcome O +all O +/. O + + +Governor O +Richardson B-PERSON +should O +the B-GPE +United I-GPE +States I-GPE +negotiate O +directly O +one B-CARDINAL +on O +one B-CARDINAL +with O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +/? O + + +Yes O +it O +should O +/. O + + +Uh O +our O +policy O +so O +far O +is O +not O +working O +/. O + + +Uh O +what O +you O +have O +is O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +has O +quadrupled O +its O +enriched O +plutonium O +since O +two B-DATE +thousand I-DATE +and I-DATE +two I-DATE +/. O + + +Uh O +the O +six B-CARDINAL +party O +talks O +are O +going O +nowhere O +/. O + + +We O +should O +talk O +directly O +to O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +to O +discuss O +what O +is O +next O +/. O + + +They O +need O +to O +dismantle O +their O +nuclear O +weapons O +/. O + + +they O +need O +to O +destroy O +their O +missile O +capability O +/. O + + +The O +only O +way O +to O +do O +that O +in O +my O +judgment O +is O +face O +to O +face O +talks O +at O +a O +level O +of O +Christopher B-PERSON +Hill I-PERSON +/. O + + +He O +is O +a O +competent O +diplomat O +/. O + + +Uh O +the O +successes O +we O +'ve O +had O +with O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +have O +been O +through O +direct O +engagement O +When O +I O +got O +some O +pilots O +out O +of O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +When O +Bob B-PERSON +Gallucci I-PERSON +negotiated O +the O +agreed O +framework O +/. O + + +Secretary O +Albright B-PERSON +close O +to O +having O +an O +agreement O +on O +reducing O +or O +terminating O +their O +missiles O +/. O + + +What O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +is O +seeing O +right O +now O +is O +Iran B-GPE +getting O +a O +nuclear O +reactor O +/. O + + +They O +see O +Iran B-GPE +getting O +a O +nuclear O +fuel O +cycle O +that O +is O +assured O +economic O +incentives O +/. O + + +On O +the O +other O +hand O +what O +they O +want O +to O +see O +is O +treated O +with O +respect O +direct O +talks O +with O +the B-GPE +United I-GPE +States I-GPE +/. O + + +But O +also O +they O +want O +to O +see O +an O +effort O +by O +the B-GPE +United I-GPE +States I-GPE +to O +give O +them O +the O +recognition O +that O +they O +feel O +they O +deserve O +/. O + + +I O +do O +n't O +believe O +they O +do O +/. O + + +They O +are O +a O +desolate O +isolated O +regime O +/. O + + +But O +right O +now O +our O +policy O +is O +not O +working O +/. O + + +It O +makes O +sense O +to O +talk O +directly O +with O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +/. O + + +But O +would O +n't O +the O +world O +then O +say O +oh O +I O +see O +/. O + + +you O +test O +a O +missile O +on O +the B-DATE +fourth I-DATE +of I-DATE +July I-DATE +/. O + + +you O +get O +the O +US B-GPE +attention O +/. O + + +and O +you O +bring O +them O +to O +the O +bargaining O +table O +/. O + + +Our O +policy O +right O +now O +does O +not O +work O +/. O + + +Look O +where O +we O +are O +right O +now O +/. O + + +Uh O +Asia B-LOC +is O +destabilized O +/. O + + +We O +are O +trying O +to O +outsource O +our O +foreign O +policy O +to O +China B-GPE +/. O + + +I O +believe O +China B-GPE +is O +not O +necessarily O +interested O +in O +helping O +us O +on O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +/. O + + +They O +do O +n't O +want O +to O +see O +a O +bunch O +of O +refugees O +go O +into O +their O +country O +/. O + + +I O +believe O +that O +China B-GPE +is O +a O +competitor O +/. O + + +They O +control O +a O +lot O +of O +our O +debt O +/. O + + +Right O +now O +we O +do O +not O +have O +leverage O +over O +China B-GPE +/. O + + +The O +best O +effort O +in O +my O +judgment O +is O +face O +to O +face O +talks O +/. O + + +Hard O +negotiating O +/. O + + +Get O +that O +agreement O +that O +was O +uh O +signed O +in O +September B-DATE +that O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +has O +not O +abided O +to O +/. O + + +A O +time O +table O +for O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +to O +dismantle O +its O +nuclear O +weapons O +/. O + + +Efforts O +to O +set O +up O +bench O +marks O +in O +exchange O +for O +that O +armistice O +agreement O +where O +we O +do O +n't O +attack O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +/. O + + +They O +get O +economic O +assistance O +/. O + + +But O +our O +objective O +should O +be O +firm O +/. O + + +To O +get O +them O +to O +dismantle O +their O +nuclear O +weapons O +/. O + + +The O +best O +way O +to O +do O +it O +is O +face O +to O +face O +talks O +/. O + + +If O +the O +President O +now O +changed O +his O +course O +wo O +n't O +the O +headlines O +be O +Bush B-PERSON +blinks O +/? O + + +No O +/. O + + +I O +believe O +the O +headlines O +would O +be O +Bush B-PERSON +deals O +realistically O +with O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +/. O + + +He O +reverses O +a O +policy O +that O +is O +not O +working O +/. O + + +Ambassador O +Gallucci B-PERSON +do O +you O +agree O +with O +that O +/? O + + +Just O +about O +entirely O +/. O + + +uh O +I O +have O +nothing O +against O +the O +idea O +of O +the O +six B-CARDINAL +party O +talks O +something O +Nick B-PERSON +pounded O +on O +/. O + + +Uh O +uh O +the O +virtue O +of O +having O +all O +these O +parties O +in O +Asia B-LOC +engaged O +that O +'s O +/- O + + +it O +'s O +true O +/. O + + +it O +is O +their O +problem O +as O +well O +as O +ours O +/. O + + +But O +the O +fact O +is O +it O +has O +n't O +worked O +/. O + + +And O +to O +make O +the O +form O +more O +important O +than O +a O +substance O +To O +care O +more O +about O +whether O +we O +have O +six B-CARDINAL +parties O +meeting O +together O +than O +whether O +we O +stop O +the O +accumulation O +of O +plutonium O +is O +absurd O +in O +my O +view O +/. O + + +You O +'d O +have O +some O +conditions O +/. O + + +you O +had O +said O +prior O +to O +the O +missile O +test O +that O +if O +they O +took O +that O +missile O +off O +the O +launch O +pad O +you O +'d O +negotiate O +face O +to O +face O +/. O + + +Now O +that O +they O +'ve O +launched O +it O +would O +you O +have O +any O +conditions O +before O +you O +went O +back O +to O +the O +table O +one B-CARDINAL +on O +one B-CARDINAL +/? O + + +This O +is O +kind O +of O +a O +rule O +I O +think O +that O +you O +really O +try O +hard O +not O +to O +negotiate O +with O +a O +gun O +or O +missile O +to O +your O +head O +/. O + + +And O +I O +think O +a O +decent O +interval O +now O +and O +some O +work O +at O +the B-ORG +United I-ORG +Nations I-ORG +is O +the O +appropriate O +thing O +to O +do O +/. O + + +But O +I O +think O +we O +'re O +taking O +a O +view O +from O +thirty B-QUANTITY +thousand I-QUANTITY +feet I-QUANTITY +right O +now O +/. O + + +what O +should O +the O +administration O +do O +/? O + + +It O +needs O +to O +find O +a O +way O +to O +get O +back O +to O +the O +negotiating O +table O +/. O + + +And O +the O +fact O +that O +you O +may O +get O +a O +headline O +like O +the O +President O +is O +reversing O +course O +as O +indeed O +we O +have O +in O +the O +case O +of O +Iran B-GPE +that O +'s O +not O +so O +bad O +if O +you O +find O +you O +'re O +on O +the O +wrong O +course O +/. O + + +and O +we O +have O +been O +/. O + + +Ashton B-PERSON +Carter I-PERSON +do O +you O +agree O +there O +should O +be O +one B-CARDINAL +on O +one B-CARDINAL +direct O +negotiations O +between O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +and O +the O +US B-GPE +/? O + + +No O +I O +actually O +think O +the O +six B-CARDINAL +party O +talks O +is O +a O +perfectly O +appropriate O +forum O +including O +for O +us O +to O +speak O +directly O +to O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +if O +others O +are O +at O +the O +table O +/. O + + +Let O +'s O +go O +back O +to O +the O +logic O +of O +the O +six B-CARDINAL +party O +talks O +in O +the O +first B-ORDINAL +place O +/. O + + +The O +reason O +to O +have O +everybody O +at O +the O +table O +with O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +is O +not O +only O +that O +they O +have O +a O +stake O +in O +the O +outcome O +as O +well O +but O +uh O +in O +dealing O +with O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +diplomacy O +has O +to O +have O +a O +coercive O +dimension O +/. O + + +And O +we O +do O +n't O +trade O +with O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +/. O + + +we O +do O +n't O +recognize O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +diplomatically O +/. O + + +uh O +there O +'s O +almost O +nothing O +we O +can O +do O +short O +of O +military O +action O +to O +apply O +pressure O +to O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +/. O + + +We O +'re O +capable O +of O +military O +action O +/. O + + +and O +it O +'s O +important O +that O +that O +be O +an O +ingredient O +of O +course O +in O +diplomacy O +/. O + + +But O +the O +real O +levers O +on O +Kim B-PERSON +Jong I-PERSON +- I-PERSON +Il I-PERSON +are O +the O +Chinese B-NORP +and O +the B-NORP +South I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +/. O + + +It O +is O +they O +who O +essentially O +support O +the O +regime O +economically O +and O +politically O +/. O + + +But O +makes O +sense O +to O +have O +them O +at O +the O +table O +/. O + + +The O +six B-CARDINAL +party O +talks O +I O +totally O +agree O +with O +my O +colleagues O +here O +have O +produced O +nothing O +so O +far O +except O +a O +quadrupling O +of O +the O +amount O +of O +plutonium O +as O +ambassador O +Richardson B-PERSON +said O +um O +in O +North B-NORP +Korean I-NORP +hands O +and O +now O +missile O +launches O +/. O + + +So O +they O +'ve O +been O +running O +wild O +for O +three B-DATE +years I-DATE +or I-DATE +so I-DATE +/. O + + +Um O +the O +reason O +for O +that O +/- O + + +there O +'s O +a O +lot O +of O +blame O +to O +go O +around O +/. O + + +you O +have O +to O +start O +with O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +and O +their O +own O +intransigence O +/. O + + +The O +Chinese B-NORP +and O +the B-NORP +South I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +have O +not O +done O +everything O +that O +they O +should O +/. O + + +uh O +they O +'ve O +shown O +the O +carrots O +/. O + + +they O +'ve O +been O +unwilling O +to O +show O +the O +sticks O +that O +they O +can O +also O +wield O +/. O + + +I O +think O +on O +our O +side O +um O +it O +matters O +less O +who O +else O +is O +at O +the O +table O +than O +that O +we O +have O +our O +own O +wits O +about O +us O +as O +we O +sit O +down O +with O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +/. O + + +And O +our O +government O +I O +believe O +has O +been O +divided O +over O +the B-DATE +last I-DATE +few I-DATE +years I-DATE +as O +the O +six B-CARDINAL +party O +talks O +between O +two B-CARDINAL +camps O +/. O + + +One B-CARDINAL +camp O +which O +believes O +that O +we O +have O +to O +give O +diplomacy O +a O +try O +and O +is O +earnest O +about O +pursuing O +diplomacy O +with O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +/. O + + +But O +there O +'s O +another O +camp O +uh O +in O +this O +country O +and O +I O +think O +represented O +in O +the O +government O +that O +believes O +that O +negotiating O +with O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +is O +a O +fools O +game O +or O +is O +even O +immoral O +because O +of O +the O +nature O +of O +the O +regime O +/. O + + +I O +do O +n't O +agree O +with O +that O +view O +because O +I O +think O +it O +'s O +more O +immoral O +to O +let O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +go O +nuclear O +than O +to O +try O +to O +reach O +a O +deal O +with O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +/. O + + +But O +we O +have O +been O +of O +two B-CARDINAL +minds O +/. O + + +and O +therefore O +I O +do O +n't O +think O +we O +at O +the O +table O +has O +been O +as O +effective O +as O +we O +might O +have O +been O +/. O + + +you O +showed O +some O +of O +that O +ambivalence O +in O +the O +earlier O +part O +of O +your O +segment O +where O +you O +see O +the O +US B-GPE +government O +saying O +one B-CARDINAL +thing O +at O +one B-CARDINAL +time O +and O +another O +thing O +at O +the O +other O +times O +/. O + + +Though O +it O +'s O +important O +that O +we O +get O +our O +story O +straight O +/. O + + +and O +that O +'s O +more O +important O +than O +who O +else O +is O +at O +the O +table O +/. O + + +You O +had O +advocated O +several B-DATE +weeks I-DATE +ago I-DATE +a O +preemptive O +military O +strike O +on O +the O +missile O +that O +was O +about O +to O +be O +tested O +/. O + + +Many O +criticize O +that O +as O +belligerent O +/. O + + +and O +perhaps O +could O +even O +trigger O +a O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +response O +against O +South B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +or O +against O +Japan B-GPE +/. O + + +who O +knows O +/. O + + +In O +hindsight O +do O +you O +still O +stand O +by O +that O +preemptive O +military O +strike O +/? O + + +Well O +I O +do O +/. O + + +and O +I O +want O +to O +put O +that O +in O +some O +context O +/. O + + +By O +the O +way O +I O +would O +say O +we O +should O +have O +that O +same O +position O +today O +That O +is O +if O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +go O +out O +to O +the O +launch O +pad O +and O +erect O +that O +missile O +and O +prepare O +to O +launch O +it O +we O +can O +destroy O +that O +uh O +before O +they O +can O +do O +it O +/. O + + +To O +do O +so O +would O +be O +a O +very O +limited O +military O +action O +a O +single O +bomb O +a O +single O +cruise O +missile O +/. O + + +the B-NORP +north I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +are O +n't O +going O +to O +start O +a O +war O +in O +response O +uh O +to O +that O +kind O +of O +action O +/. O + + +And O +to O +those O +that O +think O +that O +'s O +too O +much O +I O +can O +only O +say O +where O +are O +you O +going O +to O +draw O +a O +line O +in O +the O +sand O +with O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +/? O + + +At O +some O +point O +we O +have O +to O +draw O +a O +line O +in O +the O +sand O +and O +defend O +it O +/. O + + +We O +say O +things O +are O +intolerable O +/. O + + +we O +say O +they O +'re O +unacceptable O +/. O + + +and O +then O +we O +tolerate O +and O +accept O +/. O + + +former O +Secretary O +of O +Defense B-ORG +Bill B-PERSON +Perry I-PERSON +and O +I O +thought O +long O +and O +hard O +about O +this O +/. O + + +and O +we O +thought O +that O +this O +was O +a O +relatively O +nonprovocative O +way O +to O +draw O +a O +line O +in O +the O +sand O +with O +North B-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +/. O + + +Now O +I O +have O +to O +emphasize O +there O +'s O +risk O +in O +inaction O +also O +/. O + + +you O +may O +say O +there O +'s O +risk O +in O +this O +action O +/. O + + +but O +I O +have O +to O +emphasize O +there O +'s O +risk O +in O +inaction O +as O +well O +letting O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +go O +nuclear O +/. O + + +Governor O +Richardson B-PERSON +well O +how O +do O +you O +think O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +would O +react O +if O +we O +took O +out O +their O +test O +missile O +/? O + + +Well O +I O +respectfully O +disagree O +with O +Assistant O +Secretary O +Carter B-PERSON +there O +/. O + + +But O +at O +least O +he O +'s O +got O +a O +new O +idea O +which O +the O +administration O +does O +not O +put O +forth O +/. O + + +I O +think O +if O +we O +are O +seriously O +attacked O +or O +threatened O +, O +that O +missile O +which O +was O +a O +test O +was O +geared O +to O +the B-GPE +United I-GPE +States I-GPE +or O +to O +our O +allies O +we O +have O +allied O +responsibilities O +with O +South B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +or O +Japan B-GPE +/. O +/. O + + +Uh O +you O +do O +take O +that O +step O +/. O + + +but O +the O +fact O +is O +that O +you O +risk O +uh O +the O +uh O +North B-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +shooting O +missiles O +at O +South B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +/. O + + +and O +we O +'ve O +got O +thirty B-CARDINAL +seven I-CARDINAL +thousand I-CARDINAL +American B-NORP +forces O +at O +the O +DMZ O +/. O + + +Uh O +but O +Tim B-PERSON +I O +think O +another O +reason O +for O +the O +face O +to O +face O +talks O +is O +that O +there O +'re O +two B-CARDINAL +issues O +that O +are O +separate O +from O +the O +six B-CARDINAL +party O +talks O +that O +are O +a O +serious O +grievance O +in O +our O +relationship O +/. O + + +one B-CARDINAL +is O +the O +fact O +that O +we O +have O +frozen O +financial O +assets O +of O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +/. O + + +I O +believe O +rightly O +so O +/. O + + +but O +that O +is O +a O +separate O +bilateral O +issue O +/. O + + +The O +second B-ORDINAL +is O +our O +objection O +to O +dealing O +with O +North B-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +' I-NORP +request O +for O +a O +light O +water O +reactor O +Which O +I O +believe O +has O +bogged O +down O +the O +six B-CARDINAL +party O +talks O +/. O + + +Which O +by O +the O +way O +I O +believe O +you O +could O +have O +a O +separate O +bilateral O +face O +to O +face O +negotiation O +with O +the B-GPE +United I-GPE +States I-GPE +and O +also O +continue O +the O +efforts O +with O +the O +six B-CARDINAL +party O +talks O +because O +it O +is O +the B-NORP +South I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +and O +the O +Japanese B-NORP +that O +are O +providing O +financial O +and O +fuel O +incentives O +/. O + + +So O +you O +ca O +n't O +cut O +them O +out O +/. O + + +but O +I O +think O +it O +'s O +essential O +to O +have O +face O +to O +*face O +private O +bilateral O +talks O +between O +United B-GPE +States I-GPE +and O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +/. O + + +But O +in O +the O +end O +it O +'s O +a O +judgment O +of O +North B-NORP +Korean I-NORP +intentions O +/. O + + +You O +'d O +been O +there O +five B-CARDINAL +times O +/. O + + +you O +know O +them O +/. O + + +and O +yet O +a B-DATE +few I-DATE +weeks I-DATE +before O +the O +missile O +launch O +you O +said O +I O +do O +n't O +think O +they O +'re O +going O +to O +test O +/. O + + +And O +they O +did O +/. O + + +No O +Tim B-PERSON +I O +said O +I O +believe O +that O +they O +were O +going O +to O +test O +/. O + + +I O +did O +say O +that O +/. O + + +And O +what O +I O +sense O +in O +my O +negotiations O +in O +dealing O +with O +North B-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +/- O + + +You O +said O +as O +days B-DATE +go O +by O +I O +do O +n't O +believe O +they O +'re O +going O +to O +do O +it O +/. O + + +But O +early O +on O +I O +said O +that O +they O +did O +on O +CBS B-ORG +/. O + + +Uh O +my O +point O +is O +that O +when O +you O +deal O +with O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +you O +'re O +not O +dealing O +with O +individuals O +like O +you O +and O +me O +/. O + + +Do O +n't O +believe O +in O +compromise O +/. O + + +they O +believe O +in O +their O +only O +way O +or O +the O +highway O +/. O + + +Their O +view O +is O +that O +their O +cause O +is O +right O +/. O + + +and O +they O +'re O +going O +to O +wait O +you O +out O +/. O + + +So O +they O +'re O +totally O +unpredictable O +/. O + + +and O +I O +believe O +the O +only O +way O +to O +deal O +with O +them O +and O +we O +have O +shown O +that O +effectively O +in O +past O +dealings O +with O +the O +Clinton B-PERSON +Administration O +is O +direct O +engagement O +To O +get O +them O +to O +curb O +their O +nuclear O +weapons O +as O +Bob B-PERSON +Gallucci I-PERSON +did O +/. O + + +Secretary O +Albright B-PERSON +almost O +got O +a O +missile O +agreement O +/. O + + +Uh O +Jimmy B-PERSON +Carter I-PERSON +got O +uh O +an O +agreement O +which O +was O +later O +violated O +regrettably O +with O +the O +father O +Kim B-PERSON +Jong I-PERSON +- I-PERSON +Il I-PERSON +/. O + + +My O +point O +is O +that O +face O +to O +face O +discussions O +with O +the B-GPE +United I-GPE +States I-GPE +directly O +I O +believe O +is O +a O +precursor O +/. O + + +the O +continuation O +of O +the O +six B-CARDINAL +party O +talks O +is O +the O +best O +way O +to O +go O +/. O + + +But O +do O +they O +keep O +their O +word O +/? O + + +Here O +'s O +Madeline B-PERSON +Albright I-PERSON +toasting O +Kim B-PERSON +Jong I-PERSON +- I-PERSON +Il I-PERSON +in O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +October B-DATE +of I-DATE +two I-DATE +thousand I-DATE +/. O + + +She O +appeared O +on O +this O +program O +four B-DATE +years I-DATE +later I-DATE +/. O + + +and O +this O +was O +our O +exchange O +/. O + + +But O +did O +n't O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +develop O +a O +nuclear O +bomb O +on O +Bill B-PERSON +Clinton I-PERSON +'s I-PERSON +watch O +/? O + + +No O +what O +they O +were O +doing O +uh O +as O +it O +turns O +out O +, O +they O +were O +cheating O +/. O + + +and O +the O +reason O +that O +you O +have O +arms O +control O +agreements O +is O +that O +you O +do O +n't O +make O +them O +with O +your O +friends O +, O +you O +make O +them O +with O +your O +enemies O +/. O + + +and O +it O +is O +the O +process O +that O +is O +required O +to O +hold O +uh O +countries O +accountable O +/. O + + +Ambassador O +Gallucci B-PERSON +you O +negotiated O +that O +ninety B-DATE +four I-DATE +agreement O +/. O + + +The B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +stopped O +processing O +in O +one B-CARDINAL +plant O +if O +you O +will O +/. O + + +but O +we O +later O +found O +out O +that O +at O +the O +same O +time O +they O +were O +making O +uranium O +in O +another O +plant O +/. O + + +Not O +actually O +/. O + + +No O +that O +'s O +not O +what O +we O +found O +out O +/. O + + +What O +happened O +was O +we O +did O +do O +a O +deal O +/. O + + +We O +did O +stop O +a O +uh O +plutonium O +based O +pro-nuclear O +weapons O +program O +/. O + + +We O +made O +sure O +that O +eight B-CARDINAL +thousand I-CARDINAL +fuel O +rods O +containing O +around B-QUANTITY +thirty I-QUANTITY +kilograms I-QUANTITY +enough O +for O +five B-CARDINAL +nuclear O +weapons O +worth O +of O +plutonium O +stayed O +in O +a O +storage O +pond O +/. O + + +And O +the O +deal O +would O +have O +had O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +end O +their O +nuclear O +weapons O +program O +/. O + + +We O +think O +they O +started O +cheating O +in O +the B-DATE +late I-DATE +nineties I-DATE +by O +getting O +some O +gas O +centrifuge O +equipment O +from O +Pakistan B-GPE +/. O + + +We O +do O +n't O +know O +a O +lot O +about O +that O +where O +it O +is O +whether O +the O +equipment O +has O +been O +put O +together O +/. O + + +We O +think O +over O +a O +period O +of O +time O +they O +'ll O +do O +what O +the O +Pakistanis B-NORP +did O +, O +what O +the O +Iranians B-NORP +appear O +to O +be O +wanting O +to O +do O +and O +put O +together O +this O +gas O +centrifuge O +/. O + + +But O +they O +never O +got O +there O +yet O +/. O + + +Or O +we O +do O +n't O +think O +they O +'ve O +gotten O +there O +yet O +/. O + + +But O +they O +broke O +their O +word O +/. O + + +They O +absolutely O +cheated O +/. O + + +There O +'s O +no O +question O +about O +that O +/. O + + +But O +really O +you O +ought O +to O +be O +clear O +here O +what O +'s O +happened O +/. O + + +There O +was O +a O +nuclear O +weapons O +program O +that O +was O +stopped O +/. O + + +Plutonium O +production O +was O +stopped O +/. O + + +Right O +/. O + + +And O +afterwards O +tragically O +I O +believe O +that O +agreement O +which O +locked O +them O +up O +was O +allowed O +to O +collapse O +/. O + + +And O +we O +find O +ourselves O +now O +with O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +accumulating O +plutonium O +a O +bomb O +'s O +worth O +a O +year O +/. O + + +And O +freed O +up O +that O +plutonium O +that O +was O +um O +controlled O +for O +that O +period O +of O +time O +/. O + + +And O +they O +say O +they O +'ve O +used O +it O +to O +make O +bombs O +/. O + + +we O +'d O +have O +to O +estimate O +about O +five B-CARDINAL +more O +/. O + + +And O +with O +each B-DATE +passing I-DATE +day I-DATE +I O +would O +argue O +to O +you O +more O +important O +than O +that O +missile O +that O +Ash B-PERSON +would O +take O +out O +on O +the O +gantry O +if O +it O +turns O +up O +again O +with O +each O +passing O +day O +we O +'re O +going O +to O +find O +ourselves O +more O +and O +more O +closer O +than O +we O +were O +before O +to O +the B-DATE +day I-DATE +where O +that O +material O +could O +be O +transferred O +or O +sold O +to O +Al O +- O +Queda O +Presenting O +a O +threat O +far O +greater O +than O +the O +threat O +that O +is O +posed O +to O +us O +by O +nuclear O +weapons O +aboard O +ballistic O +missiles O +/. O + + +We O +can O +deter O +a O +country O +with O +ballistic O +missiles O +/. O + + +We O +know O +the O +return O +address O +/. O + + +We O +do O +/. O + + +But O +with O +a O +terrorist O +unconventional O +delivery O +your O +national O +missile O +defense O +will O +not O +be O +very O +good O +against O +United B-ORG +Airlines I-ORG +or O +American B-ORG +Airlines I-ORG +Or O +a O +bus O +or O +a O +truck O +/. O + + +And O +deterrents O +does O +n't O +work O +terribly O +well O +when O +an O +enemy O +values O +your O +death O +more O +than O +his O +life O +/. O + + +So O +no O +defense O +no O +deterrents O +/. O + + +we O +need O +to O +lock O +up O +the O +nuclear O +program O +/. O + + +You O +would O +not O +care O +about O +the O +ballistic O +missile O +program O +if O +they O +did O +not O +have O +the O +nuclear O +weapons O +program O +/. O + + +But O +you O +can O +have O +all O +the O +agreements O +you O +want O +/. O + + +if O +they O +'re O +going O +to O +cheat O +what O +good O +are O +they O +/? O + + +Madeline B-PERSON +Albright I-PERSON +essentially O +had O +it O +correct O +in O +my O +view O +/. O + + +You O +make O +a O +deal O +/. O + + +Nobody O +did O +that O +deal O +in O +ninety B-DATE +four I-DATE +thinking O +we O +were O +trusting O +North B-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +/. O + + +We O +had O +some O +transparency O +a O +measure O +of O +it O +/. O + + +and O +you O +verify O +/. O + + +We O +caught O +them O +cheating O +/. O + + +You O +might O +make O +another O +deal O +/. O + + +I O +think O +you O +should O +/. O + + +You O +ask O +the O +question O +you O +make O +another O +deal O +are O +you O +better O +off O +with O +the O +deal O +/. O + + +or O +are O +you O +better O +off O +without O +it O +/? O + + +If O +the O +answer O +to O +the O +former O +is O +yes O +you O +do O +the O +deal O +/. O + + +You O +do O +n't O ++ask O +I O +think O +the O +simple O +question O +have O +they O +fooled O +us O +before O +/. O + + +then O +do O +n't O +let O +them O +fool O +us O +again O +/. O + + +I O +do O +n't O +believe O +that O +'s O +the O +way O +you O +proceed O +in O +international O +affairs O +/. O + + +It O +asks O +a O +very O +tough O +question O +about O +the O +national O +security O +/. O + + +should O +we O +do O +this O +/? O + + +Is O +it O +better O +for O +us O +/? O + + +Ask O +for O +more O +transparency O +/. O + + +Insist O +on O +it O +/. O + + +Be O +tough O +in O +the O +negotiations O +Not O +in O +the O +formality O +of O +whether O +it O +'s O +six B-CARDINAL +parties O +or O +it O +'s O +bilateral O +/. O + + +Let O +me O +show O +you O +all O +two B-CARDINAL +presidents O +Bill B-PERSON +Clinton I-PERSON +back O +in O +nineteen B-DATE +ninety I-DATE +three I-DATE +George B-PERSON +Bush I-PERSON +ten B-DATE +years I-DATE +later I-DATE +talking O +to O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +in O +effect O +/. O + + +And O +I O +'m O +asking O +you O +to O +put O +your O +mind O +in O +place O +of O +a B-NORP +North I-NORP +Korean I-NORP +watching O +this O +/. O + + +President O +Clinton B-PERSON +President O +Bush B-PERSON +/. O + + +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +can O +not O +be O +allowed O +to O +develop O +a O +nuclear O +bomb O +/. O + + +We O +had O +to O +be O +very O +firm O +about O +it O +/. O + + +We O +will O +not O +tolerate O +nuclear O +weapons O +in O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +/. O + + +Ash B-PERSON +Carter I-PERSON +both O +presidents O +making O +very O +firm O +resolved O +statements O +/. O + + +if O +you O +'re O +in O +North B-NORP +Korean I-NORP +watching O +that O +knowing O +that O +you O +now O +have O +the O +potential O +of O +building O +eight B-CARDINAL +nuclear O +bombs O +what O +are O +you O +thinking O +/? O + + +Well O +I O +'m O +concerned O +that O +they O +'re O +thinking O +that O +we O +'re O +giving O +a O +new O +meaning O +to O +the O +word O +intolerable O +Because O +they O +keep O +doing O +things O +that O +we O +say O +are O +intolerable O +and O +then O +we O +tolerate O +them O +/. O + + +That O +'s O +why O +I O +think O +at O +some O +point O +you O +have O +to O +draw O +the O +line O +with O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +/. O + + +I O +do O +think O +and O +here O +I O +agree O +with O +both O +of O +the O +other O +gentlemen O +you O +have O +on O +the O +show O +who O +have O +shown O +it O +'s O +possible O +to O +reach O +an O +agreement O +with O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +and O +to O +get O +agreements O +that O +serve O +our O +interests O +The O +much O +maligned O +agreed O +framework O +as O +Bob B-PERSON +Galluci I-PERSON +pointed O +out O +without O +that O +agreed O +framework O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +by O +all O +the O +calculations O +of O +the O +experts O +would O +now O +have O +fifty B-CARDINAL +nuclear O +weapons O +/. O + + +So O +we O +were O +better O +off O +with O +the O +agreement O +than O +without O +it O +/. O + + +It O +is O +possible O +to O +reach O +agreement O +with O +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +But O +not O +when O +they O +see O +the O +kind O +of O +footage O +that O +you O +uh O +showed O +Which O +is O +uh O +uh O +uh O +Americans B-NORP +drawing O +a O +line O +in O +the O +sand O +and O +then O +stepping O +back O +from O +that O +line O +And O +drawing O +a O +line O +in O +the O +sand O +and O +then O +stepping O +back O +/. O + + +I O +think O +our O +diplomacy O +has O +to O +have O +carrots O +in O +it O +but O +it O +has O +to O +stand O +somewhere O +/. O + + +and O +as O +I O +suggested O +earlier O +I O +think O +the O +missile O +tests O +are O +a O +good O +place O +to O +take O +a O +stand O +/. O + + +Governor O +Richardson B-PERSON +draw O +a O +line O +in O +the O +stand O +and O +step O +back O +/. O + + +the B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +watch O +that O +/. O + + +they O +observe O +that O +/. O + + +they O +know O +what O +their O +own O +has O +been O +/. O + + +How O +do O +you O +have O +any O +strength O +in O +negotiating O +with O +people O +like O +that O +/? O + + +The B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +in O +my O +dealings O +with O +them O +they O +care O +more O +about O +form O +than O +they O +do O +substance O +/. O + + +In O +your O +earlier O +segment O +you O +showed O +president O +Bush B-PERSON +calling O +him O +a O +tyrant O +/. O + + +But O +then O +later O +he O +called O +him O +Mister O +Kim B-PERSON +Jong I-PERSON +- I-PERSON +Il I-PERSON +/. O + + +I O +was O +in O +North B-GPE +Korea I-GPE +when O +that O +happened O +/. O + + +The B-NORP +North I-NORP +Koreans I-NORP +were O +delighted O +because O +they O +felt O +they O +'d O +been O +treated O +with O +respect O +/. O + + +They O +care O +deeply O +about O +protocol O +/. 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O + + +What O +could O +they O +talk O +about O +in O +three B-TIME +minutes I-TIME +? O + + +I O +think O +it O +is O +hard O +to O +say O +anything O +meaningful O +in O +three B-TIME +minutes I-TIME +. O + + +Of O +course O +, O +we O +also O +studied O +what O +these O +children O +talked O +to O +their O +parents O +about O +in O +these O +three B-TIME +- I-TIME +minute I-TIME +telephone O +conversations O +. O + + +What O +did O +the O +parents O +who O +worked O +in O +the O +city O +talk O +about O +with O +their O +children O +? O + + +What O +touched O +us O +very O +deeply O +was O +that O +70 B-PERCENT +percent I-PERCENT +of O +the O +content O +of O +the O +children O +'s O +conversations O +with O +their O +parents O +was O +to O +ask O +about O +their O +safety O +and O +not O +other O +things O +, O +such O +as O +how O +much O +they O +had O +earned O +. O + + +As O +for O +the O +content O +of O +the O +parents O +' O +conversations O +with O +their O +children O +, O +first B-ORDINAL +, O +it O +was O +school O +. O + + +Whether O +they O +were O +good O +and O +how O +their O +schoolwork O +was O +. O + + +Second B-ORDINAL +, O +it O +was O +whether O +they O +obeyed O +their O +custodians O +and O +what O +they O +ate O +and O +things O +like O +that O +. O + + +Uh O +, O +as O +for O +safety O +matters O +, O +in O +fact O +, O +they O +could O +not O +have O +any O +emotional O +exchange O +. O + + +We O +know O +that O +sometimes O +when O +we O +talk O +on O +the O +phone O +, O +even O +a O +pause O +is O +a O +need O +for O +emotional O +exchange O +. O + + +However O +, O +the O +parents O +may O +not O +have O +realized O +this O +. O + + +For O +instance O +, O +the O +child O +has O +stopped O +talking O +. O + + +He O +stops O +talking O +because O +he O +needs O +to O +pause O +to O +consider O +how O +to O +say O +what O +is O +in O +his O +mind O +. O + + +The O +parents O +may O +not O +have O +realized O +this O +point O +, O +so O +they O +hang O +up O +the O +phone O +immediately O +. O + + +Of O +course O +, O +for O +three B-TIME +minutes I-TIME +, O +why O +was O +it O +only O +for O +three B-TIME +minutes I-TIME +? O + + +In O +many O +cases O +, O +it O +was O +because O +they O +worried O +about O +the O +charge O +. O + + +, O +many O +left O +- O +behind O +children O +told O +us O +that O +they O +especially O +wanted O +to O +call O +their O +parents O +on O +the O +phone O +. O + + +However O +, O +um O +, O +they O +considered O +that O +um O +, O +one B-CARDINAL +thing O +, O +sometimes O +they O +did O +not O +have O +a O +telephone O +at O +home O +. O + + +It O +was O +very O +difficult O +for O +children O +to O +borrow O +the O +phone O +from O +their O +neighbors O +. O + + +Second B-ORDINAL +, O +um O +, O +they O +considered O +that O +they O +needed O +money O +to O +make O +a O +phone O +call O +. O + + +Some O +children O +told O +me O +, O +" O +I O +secretly O +called O +my O +parents O +when O +my O +custodians O +were O +not O +home O +. O +" O + + +The O +children O +have O +a O +great O +need O +for O +this O +type O +of O +telephone O +exchange O +. O + + +Do O +the O +left O +- O +behind O +children O +understand O +why O +their O +parents O +work O +in O +the O +city O +? O + + +Um O +, O +um O +, O +we O +conducted O +a O +survey O +on O +this O +question O +. O + + +We O +were O +very O +surprised O +to O +find O +that O +40 B-PERCENT +percent I-PERCENT +of O +the O +left O +- O +behind O +children O +had O +no O +idea O +what O +jobs O +their O +parents O +held O +away O +from O +home O +. O + + +How O +could O +that O +be O +possible O +? O + + +How O +could O +that O +be O +possible O +? O + + +We O +interviewed O +some O +left O +- O +behind O +children O +, O +their O +custodians O +, O +and O +the O +people O +who O +work O +in O +the O +city O +. O + + +Why O +would O +n't O +the O +children O +know O +what O +they O +did O +? O + + +First B-ORDINAL +, O +we O +can O +tell O +from O +the O +content O +of O +the O +three B-TIME +- I-TIME +minute I-TIME +telephone O +conversations O +we O +mentioned O +earlier O +that O +children O +are O +particularly O +concerned O +about O +the O +safety O +of O +the O +parents O +who O +work O +in O +the O +city O +. O + + +However O +, O +a O +lot O +of O +the O +work O +that O +the O +parents O +engaged O +in O +is O +dangerous O +work O +, O +including O +coalmines O +, O +construction O +, O +and O +some O +others O +, O +many O +of O +them O +are O +dangerous O +jobs O +. 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O + + +All O +these O +are O +problems O +that O +they O +need O +to O +resolve O +. O + + +The O +problems O +they O +face O +are O +too O +many O +. O + + +If O +the O +children O +go O +to O +the O +city O +, O +the O +expenses O +will O +be O +very O +high O +. O + + +Since O +circumstances O +do O +not O +permit O +, O +they O +can O +not O +bring O +their O +children O +with O +them O +, O +according O +to O +their O +will O +or O +their O +psychological O +need O +. O + + +Many O +parents O +are O +unable O +to O +bring O +their O +children O +with O +them O +. O + + +What O +would O +you O +tell O +your O +parents O +if O +you O +could O +see O +them O +now O +? O + + +I O +want O +to O +tell O +them O +that O +I O +miss O +them O +very O +much O +. O + + +Judging O +from O +the O +surface O +, O +is O +there O +any O +obvious O +difference O +between O +the O +character O +of O +these O +left O +- O +behind O +children O +and O +non-left O +- O +behind O +children O +? 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O + + +There O +was O +, O +a O +child O +who O +was O +in O +the B-DATE +first I-DATE +year I-DATE +of O +junior O +high O +school O +. O + + +Um O +, O +um O +, O +he O +told O +us O +himself O +that O +he O +particularly O +, O +um O +, O +um O +, O +misses O +his O +father O +. O + + +He O +was O +very O +good O +at O +school O +. O + + +However O +, O +one O +time O +we O +visited O +him O +, O +his O +um O +, O +family O +told O +us O +that O +he O +was O +second B-ORDINAL +in O +his O +class O +in O +his O +examination O +. O + + +After O +that O +, O +he O +became O +extremely O +, O +extremely O +, O +annoyed O +. O + + +Um O +, O +um O +, O +um O +, O +his O +language O +and O +other O +things O +became O +very O +strange O +. O + + +Um O +, O +um O +, O +we O +also O +asked O +his O +um O +, O +um O +, O +grandparents O +who O +had O +custody O +of O +him O +. O + + +They O +said O +that O +when O +his O +father O +was O +home O +, O +he O +would O +always O +encourage O +him O +and O +um O +, O +exchange O +with O +him O +. O + + +Um O +, O +of O +course O +, O +it O +was O +not O +necessarily O +because O +his O +parents O +worked O +in O +the O +city O +. O + + +However O +, O +for O +some O +left O +- O +behind O +children O +, O +their O +parents O +working O +in O +the O +city O +has O +caused O +some O +psychological O +abnormalities O +and O +unusual O +development O +. O + + +This O +situation O +indeed O +exists O +. O + + +After O +all O +, O +these O +are O +families O +whose O +love O +is O +inadequate O +and O +incomplete O +. O + + +I O +believe O +love O +is O +especially O +important O +. O + + +Children O +need O +love O +from O +the O +time O +they O +are O +small O +. O + + +We O +have O +to O +understand O +our O +Chinese B-NORP +saying O +, O +" O +The O +child O +is O +father O +to O +the O +man O +. O +" O + + +What O +it O +says O +is O +that O +the O +character O +that O +children O +form O +at O +a O +very O +young O +age O +will O +affect O +their O +entire O +life O +. O + + +Only O +children O +who O +are O +loved O +and O +who O +realize O +the O +importance O +of O +love O +since O +they O +are O +young O +will O +be O +able O +to O +love O +other O +people O +in O +the O +future O +. O + + +This O +is O +the O +case O +. O + + +Therefore O +, O +for O +this O +type O +, O +um O +, O +um O +, O +um O +, O +this O +group O +of O +left O +- O +behind O +children O +, O +psychologically O +, O +they O +do O +not O +have O +family O +love O +. O + + +Um O +, O +, O +if O +the O +parents O +work O +in O +the O +city O +, O +these O +children O +perhaps O +will O +not O +receive O +timely O +attention O +when O +they O +encounter O +many O +difficulties O +at O +home O +. 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O +'' O + + +Jesus O +said O +to O +the O +father O +, O +`` O +Why O +did O +you O +say O +' O +if O +you O +can O +' O +? O + + +All O +things O +are O +possible O +for O +the O +one O +who O +believes O +. O +'' O + + +Immediately O +the O +father O +shouted O +, O +`` O +I O +do O +believe O +. O + + +Help O +me O +to O +believe O +more O +! O +'' O + + +Jesus O +saw O +that O +all O +the O +people O +were O +running O +there O +to O +see O +what O +was O +happening O +. O + + +So O +he O +spoke O +to O +the O +evil O +spirit O +. O + + +He O +said O +, O +`` O +You O +evil O +spirit O +that O +makes O +this O +boy O +deaf O +and O +stops O +him O +from O +talking O +-- O +I O +command O +you O +to O +come O +out O +of O +him O +and O +never O +enter O +him O +again O +! O +'' O + + +The O +evil O +spirit O +screamed O +. O + + +It O +caused O +the O +boy O +to O +fall O +on O +the O +ground O +again O +, O +and O +then O +it O +came O +out O +. 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O + + +He O +said O +to O +them O +, O +`` O +The O +Son O +of O +Man O +will O +be O +handed O +over O +to O +the O +control O +of O +other O +men O +, O +who O +will O +kill O +him O +. O + + +After O +three O +days O +, O +he O +will O +rise O +from O +death O +. O +'' O + + +But O +the O +followers O +did O +not O +understand O +what O +he O +meant O +, O +and O +they O +were O +afraid O +to O +ask O +him O +. O + + +Jesus O +and O +his O +followers O +went O +to O +Capernaum O +. O + + +They O +went O +into O +a O +house O +, O +and O +Jesus O +said O +to O +them O +, O +`` O +I O +heard O +you O +arguing O +on O +the O +way O +here O +today O +. O + + +What O +were O +you O +arguing O +about O +? O +'' O + + +But O +the O +followers O +did O +not O +answer O +, O +because O +their O +argument O +on O +the O +road O +was O +about O +which O +one O +of O +them O +was O +the O +greatest O +. O + + +Jesus O +sat O +down O +and O +called O +the O +twelve O +apostles O +to O +him O +. 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O + + +Late O +in O +the O +afternoon O +, O +the O +twelve O +apostles O +came O +to O +Jesus O +and O +said O +, O +`` O +No O +one O +lives O +in O +this O +place O +. O + + +Send O +the O +people O +away O +. O + + +They O +need O +to O +find O +food O +and O +places O +to O +sleep O +in O +the O +farms O +and O +towns O +around O +here O +. O +'' O + + +But O +Jesus O +said O +to O +the O +apostles O +, O +`` O +You O +give O +them O +something O +to O +eat O +. O +'' O + + +They O +said O +, O +`` O +We O +have O +only O +five O +loaves O +of O +bread O +and O +two O +fish O +. O + + +Do O +you O +want O +us O +to O +go O +buy O +food O +for O +all O +these O +people O +? O +'' O + + +There O +are O +too O +many O +! O + + +-LRB- O +There O +were O +about O +5000 O +men O +there O +. O +-RRB- O + + +Jesus O +said O +to O +his O +followers O +, O +`` O +Tell O +the O +people O +to O +sit O +in O +groups O +of O +about O +50 O +people O +. O +'' O + + +So O +the O +followers O +did O +this O +and O +everyone O +sat O +down O +. O + + +Then O +Jesus O +took O +the O +five O +loaves O +of O +bread O +and O +two O +fish O +. O + + +He O +looked O +up O +into O +the O +sky O +and O +thanked O +God O +for O +the O +food O +. O + + +Then O +he O +broke O +it O +into O +pieces O +, O +which O +he O +gave O +to O +the O +followers O +to O +give O +to O +the O +people O +. O + + +They O +all O +ate O +until O +they O +were O +full O +. O + + +And O +there O +was O +a O +lot O +of O +food O +left O +. O + + +Twelve O +baskets O +were O +filled O +with O +the O +pieces O +of O +food O +that O +were O +not O +eaten O +. O + + +One O +time O +Jesus O +was O +praying O +alone O +. O + + +His O +followers O +came O +together O +there O +, O +and O +he O +asked O +them O +, O +`` O +Who O +do O +the O +people O +say O +I O +am O +? O +'' O + + +They O +answered O +, O +`` O +Some O +people O +say O +you O +are O +John O +the O +Baptizer O +. O + + +Others O +say O +you O +are O +Elijah O +. O + + +And O +some O +people O +say O +you O +are O +one O +of O +the O +prophets O +from O +long O +ago O +that O +has O +come O +back O +to O +life O +. O +'' O + + +Then O +Jesus O +said O +to O +his O +followers O +, O +`` O +And O +who O +do O +you O +say O +I O +am O +? O +'' O + + +Peter O +answered O +, O +`` O +You O +are O +the O +Christ O +from O +God O +. O +'' O + + +Jesus O +warned O +them O +not O +to O +tell O +anyone O +. O + + +Then O +Jesus O +said O +, O +`` O +The O +Son O +of O +Man O +must O +suffer O +many O +things O +. O + + +He O +will O +be O +rejected O +by O +the O +older O +Jewish O +leaders O +, O +the O +leading O +priests O +, O +and O +teachers O +of O +the O +law O +. O + + +And O +he O +will O +be O +killed O +. O + + +But O +after O +three O +days O +he O +will O +be O +raised O +from O +death O +. O +'' O + + +Jesus O +continued O +to O +say O +to O +all O +of O +them O +, O +`` O +Any O +of O +you O +who O +want O +to O +be O +my O +follower O +must O +stop O +thinking O +about O +yourself O +and O +what O +you O +want O +. O + + +You O +must O +be O +willing O +to O +carry O +the O +cross O +that O +is O +given O +to O +you O +every O +day O +for O +following O +me O +. O + + +Any O +of O +you O +who O +try O +to O +save O +the O +life O +you O +have O +will O +lose O +it O +. O + + +But O +you O +who O +give O +up O +your O +life O +for O +me O +will O +save O +it O +. O + + +It O +is O +worth O +nothing O +for O +you O +to O +have O +the O +whole O +world O +if O +you O +yourself O +are O +destroyed O +or O +lost O +. O + + +Do O +n't O +be O +ashamed O +of O +me O +and O +my O +teaching O +. O + + +If O +that O +happens O +, O +I O +will O +be O +ashamed O +of O +you O +when O +I O +come O +with O +my O +divine O +greatness O +and O +that O +of O +the O +Father O +and O +the O +holy O +angels O +. O + + +Believe O +me O +when O +I O +say O +that O +some O +of O +you O +people O +standing O +here O +will O +see O +God O +'s O +kingdom O +before O +you O +die O +. O +'' O + + +About O +eight O +days O +after O +Jesus O +said O +these O +things O +, O +he O +took O +Peter O +, O +John O +, O +and O +James O +and O +went O +up O +on O +a O +mountain O +to O +pray O +. O + + +While O +Jesus O +was O +praying O +, O +his O +face O +began O +to O +change O +. O + + +His O +clothes O +became O +shining O +white O +. O + + +Then O +two O +men O +were O +there O +, O +talking O +with O +him O +. O + + +They O +were O +Moses O +and O +Elijah O +. O + + +They O +also O +looked O +bright O +and O +glorious O +. O + + +They O +were O +talking O +with O +Jesus O +about O +his O +death O +that O +would O +happen O +in O +Jerusalem O +. O + + +Peter O +and O +the O +others O +were O +asleep O +. O + + +But O +they O +woke O +up O +and O +saw O +the O +glory O +of O +Jesus O +. O + + +They O +also O +saw O +the O +two O +men O +who O +were O +standing O +with O +him O +. O + + +When O +Moses O +and O +Elijah O +were O +leaving O +, O +Peter O +said O +, O +`` O + + +Master O +, O +it O +is O +good O +that O +we O +are O +here O +. O + + +We O +will O +put O +three O +tents O +here O +-- O +one O +for O +you O +, O +one O +for O +Moses O +, O +and O +one O +for O +Elijah O +. O +'' O + + +-LRB- O +He O +did O +not O +know O +what O +he O +was O +saying O +. O +-RRB- O + + +While O +Peter O +was O +saying O +these O +things O +, O +a O +cloud O +came O +all O +around O +them O +. O + + +Peter O +, O +John O +, O +and O +James O +were O +afraid O +when O +the O +cloud O +covered O +them O +. O + + +A O +voice O +came O +from O +the O +cloud O +and O +said O +, O +`` O +This O +is O +my O +Son O +. O + + +He O +is O +the O +one O +I O +have O +chosen O +. O + + +Obey O +him O +. O +'' O + + +When O +the O +voice O +stopped O +, O +only O +Jesus O +was O +there O +. O + + +Peter O +, O +John O +, O +and O +James O +said O +nothing O +. O + + +And O +for O +a O +long O +time O +after O +that O +, O +they O +told O +no O +one O +about O +what O +they O +had O +seen O +. O + + +The O +next O +day O +, O +Jesus O +, O +Peter O +, O +John O +, O +and O +James O +came O +down O +from O +the O +mountain O +. O + + +A O +large O +group O +of O +people O +met O +Jesus O +. O + + +A O +man O +in O +the O +group O +shouted O +to O +him O +, O +`` O +Teacher O +, O +please O +come O +and O +look O +at O +my O +son O +. O + + +He O +is O +the O +only O +child O +I O +have O +. O + + +An O +evil O +spirit O +comes O +into O +him O +, O +and O +then O +he O +shouts O +. O + + +He O +loses O +control O +of O +himself O +and O +foams O +at O +the O +mouth O +. O + + +The O +evil O +spirit O +continues O +to O +hurt O +him O +and O +almost O +never O +leaves O +him O +. O + + +I O +begged O +your O +followers O +to O +make O +the O +evil O +spirit O +leave O +my O +son O +, O +but O +they O +could O +not O +do O +it O +. O +'' O + + +Jesus O +answered O +, O +`` O +You O +people O +today O +have O +no O +faith O +. O + + +Your O +lives O +are O +all O +wrong O +. O + + +How O +long O +must O +I O +be O +with O +you O +and O +be O +patient O +with O +you O +? O +'' O + + +Then O +Jesus O +said O +to O +the O +man O +, O +`` O +Bring O +your O +son O +here O +. O +'' O + + +While O +the O +boy O +was O +coming O +, O +the O +demon O +threw O +the O +boy O +to O +the O +ground O +. O + + +The O +boy O +lost O +control O +of O +himself O +. O + + +But O +Jesus O +gave O +a O +strong O +command O +to O +the O +evil O +spirit O +. O + + +Then O +the O +boy O +was O +healed O +, O +and O +Jesus O +gave O +him O +back O +to O +his O +father O +. O + + +All O +the O +people O +were O +amazed O +at O +the O +great O +power O +of O +God O +. O + + +The O +people O +were O +still O +amazed O +about O +all O +the O +things O +Jesus O +did O +. O + + +He O +said O +to O +his O +followers O +, O +`` O +Do O +n't O +forget O +what O +I O +will O +tell O +you O +now O +: O +The O +Son O +of O +Man O +will O +soon O +be O +handed O +over O +to O +the O +control O +of O +other O +men O +. O +'' O + + +But O +the O +followers O +did O +not O +understand O +what O +he O +meant O +. O + + +The O +meaning O +was O +hidden O +from O +them O +so O +that O +they O +could O +not O +understand O +it O +. O + + +But O +they O +were O +afraid O +to O +ask O +Jesus O +about O +what O +he O +said O +. O + + +Jesus O +' O +followers O +began O +to O +have O +an O +argument O +about O +which O +one O +of O +them O +was O +the O +greatest O +. O + + +Jesus O +knew O +what O +they O +were O +thinking O +, O +so O +he O +took O +a O +little O +child O +and O +stood O +the O +child O +beside O +him O +. O + + +Then O +he O +said O +to O +the O +followers O +, O +`` O +Whoever O +accepts O +a O +little O +child O +like O +this O +in O +my O +name O +is O +accepting O +me O +. O + + +And O +anyone O +who O +accepts O +me O +is O +also O +accepting O +the O +one O +who O +sent O +me O +. O + + +The O +one O +among O +you O +who O +is O +the O +most O +humble O +-- O +this O +is O +the O +one O +who O +is O +great O +. O +'' O + + +John O +answered O +, O +`` O +Master O +, O +we O +saw O +someone O +using O +your O +name O +to O +force O +demons O +out O +of O +people O +. O + + +We O +told O +him O +to O +stop O +because O +he O +does O +not O +belong O +to O +our O +group O +. O +'' O + + +Jesus O +said O +to O +him O +, O +`` O +Do O +n't O +stop O +him O +. O + + +Whoever O +is O +not O +against O +you O +is O +for O +you O +. O +'' O + + +The O +time O +was O +coming O +near O +when O +Jesus O +would O +leave O +and O +go O +back O +to O +heaven O +. O + + +He O +decided O +to O +go O +to O +Jerusalem O +. O + + +He O +sent O +some O +men O +ahead O +of O +him O +. O + + +They O +went O +into O +a O +town O +in O +Samaria O +to O +make O +everything O +ready O +for O +him O +. O + + +But O +the O +people O +there O +would O +not O +welcome O +Jesus O +because O +he O +was O +going O +toward O +Jerusalem O +. O + + +James O +and O +John O +, O +the O +followers O +of O +Jesus O +, O +saw O +this O +. O + + +They O +said O +, O +`` O +Lord O +, O +do O +you O +want O +us O +to O +call O +fire O +down O +from O +heaven O +and O +destroy O +those O +people O +? O +'' O + + +But O +Jesus O +turned O +and O +criticized O +them O +for O +saying O +this O +. O + + +Then O +he O +and O +his O +followers O +went O +to O +another O +town O +. O + + +They O +were O +all O +traveling O +along O +the O +road O +. O + + +Someone O +said O +to O +Jesus O +, O +`` O +I O +will O +follow O +you O +anywhere O +you O +go O +. O +'' O + + +He O +answered O +, O +`` O +The O +foxes O +have O +holes O +to O +live O +in O +. O + + +The O +birds O +have O +nests O +. O + + +But O +the O +Son O +of O +Man O +has O +no O +place O +where O +he O +can O +rest O +his O +head O +. O +'' O + + +Jesus O +said O +to O +another O +man O +, O +`` O +Follow O +me O +! O +'' O + + +But O +the O +man O +said O +, O +`` O +Lord O +, O +let O +me O +go O +and O +bury O +my O +father O +first O +. O +'' O + + +But O +Jesus O +said O +to O +him O +, O +`` O +Let O +the O +people O +who O +are O +dead O +bury O +their O +own O +dead O +. O + + +You O +must O +go O +and O +tell O +about O +God O +'s O +kingdom O +. O +'' O + + +Another O +man O +said O +, O +`` O +I O +will O +follow O +you O +, O +Lord O +, O +but O +first O +let O +me O +go O +and O +say O +goodbye O +to O +my O +family O +. O +'' O + + +Jesus O +said O +, O +`` O +Anyone O +who O +begins O +to O +plow O +a O +field O +but O +looks O +back O +is O +not O +prepared O +for O +God O +'s O +kingdom O +. O +'' O + + +Jesus O +was O +going O +through O +the O +city O +of O +Jericho O +. O + + +In O +Jericho O +there O +was O +a O +man O +named O +Zacchaeus O +. O + + +He O +was O +a O +wealthy O +, O +very O +important O +tax O +collector O +. O + + +He O +wanted O +to O +see O +who O +Jesus O +was O +. O + + +There O +were O +many O +others O +who O +wanted O +to O +see O +Jesus O +too O +. O + + +Zacchaeus O +was O +too O +short O +to O +see O +above O +the O +people O +. O + + +So O +he O +ran O +to O +a O +place O +where O +he O +knew O +Jesus O +would O +come O +. O + + +Then O +he O +climbed O +a O +sycamore O +tree O +so O +he O +could O +see O +him O +. O + + +When O +Jesus O +came O +to O +where O +Zacchaeus O +was O +, O +he O +looked O +up O +and O +saw O +him O +in O +the O +tree O +. O + + +Jesus O +said O +, O +`` O +Zacchaeus O +, O +hurry O +! O + + +Come O +down O +! O + + +I O +must O +stay O +at O +your O +house O +today O +. O +'' O + + +Zacchaeus O +hurried O +and O +came O +down O +. O + + +He O +was O +happy O +to O +have O +Jesus O +in O +his O +house O +. O + + +Everyone O +saw O +this O +. O + + +They O +began O +to O +complain O +, O +`` O +Look O +at O +the O +kind O +of O +man O +Jesus O +is O +staying O +with O +. O + + +Zacchaeus O +is O +a O +sinner O +! O +'' O + + +Zacchaeus O +said O +to O +the O +Lord O +, O +`` O +I O +want O +to O +do O +good O +. O + + +I O +will O +give O +half O +of O +my O +money O +to O +the O +poor O +. O + + +If O +I O +have O +cheated O +anyone O +, O +I O +will O +pay O +them O +back O +four O +times O +more O +. O +'' O + + +Jesus O +said O +, O +`` O +Today O +is O +the O +day O +for O +this O +family O +to O +be O +saved O +from O +sin O +. O + + +Yes O +, O +even O +this O +tax O +collector O +is O +one O +of O +God O +'s O +chosen O +people O +. O + + +The O +Son O +of O +Man O +came O +to O +find O +lost O +people O +and O +save O +them O +. O +'' O + + +As O +the O +crowd O +listened O +to O +what O +he O +was O +saying O +, O +Jesus O +went O +on O +to O +tell O +a O +story O +. O + + +He O +was O +now O +near O +Jerusalem O +and O +knew O +that O +the O +people O +thought O +it O +was O +almost O +time O +for O +God O +'s O +kingdom O +to O +come O +. O + + +So O +he O +said O +, O +`` O +A O +very O +important O +man O +was O +preparing O +to O +go O +to O +a O +country O +far O +away O +to O +be O +made O +a O +king O +. O + + +Then O +he O +planned O +to O +return O +home O +and O +rule O +his O +people O +. O + + +So O +he O +called O +ten O +of O +his O +servants O +together O +. O + + +He O +gave O +a O +bag O +of O +money O +to O +each O +servant O +. O + + +He O +said O +, O +' O +Do O +business O +with O +this O +money O +until O +I O +come O +back O +. O +' O + + +But O +the O +people O +in O +the O +kingdom O +hated O +the O +man O +. O + + +They O +sent O +a O +group O +to O +follow O +him O +to O +the O +other O +country O +. O + + +There O +they O +said O +, O +' O +We O +do O +n't O +want O +this O +man O +to O +be O +our O +king O +. O +' O + + +`` O +But O +the O +man O +was O +made O +king O +. O + + +When O +he O +came O +home O +, O +he O +said O +, O +' O +Call O +those O +servants O +who O +have O +my O +money O +. O + + +I O +want O +to O +know O +how O +much O +more O +money O +they O +earned O +with O +it O +. O +' O + + +The O +first O +servant O +came O +and O +said O +, O +' O +Sir O +, O +I O +earned O +ten O +bags O +of O +money O +with O +the O +one O +bag O +you O +gave O +me O +. O +' O + + +The O +king O +said O +to O +him O +, O +' O +That O +'s O +great O +! O + + +You O +are O +a O +good O +servant O +. O + + +I O +see O +that O +I O +can O +trust O +you O +with O +small O +things O +. O + + +So O +now O +I O +will O +let O +you O +rule O +over O +ten O +of O +my O +cities O +. O +' O + + +`` O +The O +second O +servant O +said O +, O +' O +Sir O +, O +with O +your O +one O +bag O +of O +money O +I O +earned O +five O +bags O +. O +' O + + +The O +king O +said O +to O +this O +servant O +, O +' O +You O +can O +rule O +over O +five O +cities O +. O +' O + + +`` O +Then O +another O +servant O +came O +in O +and O +said O +to O +the O +king O +, O +' O +Sir O +, O +here O +is O +your O +bag O +of O +money O +. O + + +I O +wrapped O +it O +in O +a O +piece O +of O +cloth O +and O +hid O +it O +. O + + +I O +was O +afraid O +of O +you O +because O +you O +are O +a O +hard O +man O +. O + + +You O +even O +take O +money O +that O +you O +did O +n't O +earn O +and O +gather O +food O +that O +you O +did O +n't O +grow O +. O +' O + + +`` O +Then O +the O +king O +said O +to O +him O +, O +' O +What O +a O +bad O +servant O +you O +are O +! O + + +I O +will O +use O +your O +own O +words O +to O +condemn O +you O +. O + + +You O +said O +that O +I O +am O +a O +hard O +man O +. O + + +You O +said O +that O +I O +even O +take O +money O +that O +I O +did O +n't O +earn O +and O +gather O +food O +that O +I O +did O +n't O +grow O +. O + + +If O +that O +is O +true O +, O +you O +should O +have O +put O +my O +money O +in O +the O +bank O +. O + + +Then O +, O +when O +I O +came O +back O +, O +my O +money O +would O +have O +earned O +some O +interest O +. O +' O + + +Then O +the O +king O +said O +to O +the O +men O +who O +were O +watching O +, O +' O +Take O +the O +bag O +of O +money O +away O +from O +this O +servant O +and O +give O +it O +to O +the O +servant O +who O +earned O +ten O +bags O +of O +money O +. O +' O + + +`` O +The O +men O +said O +to O +the O +king O +, O +' O +But O +sir O +, O +that O +servant O +already O +has O +ten O +bags O +of O +money O +. O +' O + + +`` O +The O +king O +said O +, O +' O +People O +who O +use O +what O +they O +have O +will O +get O +more O +. O + + +But O +those O +who O +do O +not O +use O +what O +they O +have O +will O +have O +everything O +taken O +away O +from O +them O +. O + + +Now O +where O +are O +my O +enemies O +? O + + +Where O +are O +the O +people O +who O +did O +not O +want O +me O +to O +be O +king O +? O + + +Bring O +my O +enemies O +here O +and O +kill O +them O +. O + + +I O +will O +watch O +them O +die O +. 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O + + +The O +power O +they O +had O +to O +give O +people O +pain O +for O +five O +months O +was O +in O +their O +tails O +. O + + +They O +had O +a O +ruler O +, O +who O +was O +the O +angel O +of O +the O +bottomless O +pit O +. O + + +His O +name O +in O +Hebrew O +is O +Abaddon O +. O + + +In O +Greek O +it O +is O +Apollyon O +. O + + +The O +first O +terror O +is O +now O +past O +. O + + +There O +are O +still O +two O +other O +terrors O +to O +come O +. O + + +The O +sixth O +angel O +blew O +his O +trumpet O +. O + + +Then O +I O +heard O +a O +voice O +coming O +from O +the O +horns O +on O +the O +four O +corners O +of O +the O +golden O +altar O +that O +is O +before O +God O +. O + + +It O +said O +to O +the O +sixth O +angel O +who O +had O +the O +trumpet O +, O +`` O +Free O +the O +four O +angels O +who O +are O +tied O +at O +the O +great O +river O +Euphrates O +. O +'' O + + +These O +four O +angels O +had O +been O +kept O +ready O +for O +this O +hour O +and O +day O +and O +month O +and O +year O +. O + + +The O +angels O +were O +set O +free O +to O +kill O +a O +third O +of O +all O +the O +people O +on O +the O +earth O +. O + + +I O +heard O +how O +many O +troops O +on O +horses O +were O +in O +their O +army O +. O + + +There O +were O +200 O +, O +000 O +, O +000 O +. O + + +In O +my O +vision O +, O +I O +saw O +the O +horses O +and O +the O +riders O +on O +the O +horses O +. O + + +They O +looked O +like O +this O +: O +They O +had O +breastplates O +that O +were O +fiery O +red O +, O +dark O +blue O +, O +and O +yellow O +like O +sulfur O +. O + + +The O +heads O +of O +the O +horses O +looked O +like O +heads O +of O +lions O +. O + + +The O +horses O +had O +fire O +, O +smoke O +, O +and O +sulfur O +coming O +out O +of O +their O +mouths O +. O + + +A O +third O +of O +all O +the O +people O +on O +earth O +were O +killed O +by O +these O +three O +plagues O +coming O +out O +of O +the O +horses O +' O +mouths O +: O +the O +fire O +, O +the O +smoke O +, O +and O +the O +sulfur O +. O + + +The O +horses O +' O +power O +was O +in O +their O +mouths O +and O +also O +in O +their O +tails O +. O + + +Their O +tails O +were O +like O +snakes O +that O +have O +heads O +to O +bite O +and O +hurt O +people O +. O + + +The O +other O +people O +on O +earth O +were O +not O +killed O +by O +these O +plagues O +. O + + +But O +these O +people O +still O +did O +not O +change O +their O +hearts O +and O +turn O +away O +from O +worshiping O +the O +things O +they O +had O +made O +with O +their O +own O +hands O +. O + + +They O +did O +not O +stop O +worshiping O +demons O +and O +idols O +made O +of O +gold O +, O +silver O +, O +bronze O +, O +stone O +, O +and O +wood O +-- O +things O +that O +can O +not O +see O +or O +hear O +or O +walk O +. O + + +They O +did O +not O +change O +their O +hearts O +and O +turn O +away O +from O +killing O +other O +people O +or O +from O +their O +evil O +magic O +, O +their O +sexual O +sins O +, O +and O +their O +stealing O +. O + + +After O +this O +I O +heard O +what O +sounded O +like O +a O +large O +crowd O +of O +people O +in O +heaven O +. O + + +The O +people O +were O +saying O +, O +`` O +Hallelujah O +! O + + +Victory O +, O +glory O +, O +and O +power O +belong O +to O +our O +God O +. O + + +His O +judgments O +are O +true O +and O +right O +. O + + +Our O +God O +has O +punished O +the O +prostitute O +. O + + +She O +is O +the O +one O +who O +ruined O +the O +earth O +with O +her O +sexual O +sin O +. O + + +God O +has O +punished O +the O +prostitute O +to O +pay O +her O +back O +for O +the O +death O +of O +his O +servants O +. O +'' O + + +These O +people O +also O +said O +, O +`` O +Hallelujah O +! O + + +She O +is O +burning O +and O +her O +smoke O +will O +rise O +forever O +and O +ever O +. O +'' O + + +Then O +the O +24 O +elders O +and O +the O +four O +living O +beings O +bowed O +down O +. O + + +They O +worshiped O +God O +, O +who O +sits O +on O +the O +throne O +. O + + +They O +said O +, O +`` O +Amen O +! O + + +Hallelujah O +! O +'' O + + +Then O +a O +voice O +came O +from O +the O +throne O +and O +said O +, O +`` O +Praise O +our O +God O +, O +all O +you O +who O +serve O +him O +! O + + +Praise O +our O +God O +, O +all O +you O +small O +and O +great O +who O +honor O +him O +! O +'' O + + +Then O +I O +heard O +something O +that O +sounded O +like O +a O +large O +crowd O +of O +people O +. O + + +It O +was O +as O +loud O +as O +crashing O +waves O +or O +claps O +of O +thunder O +. O + + +The O +people O +were O +saying O +, O +`` O +Hallelujah O +! O + + +Our O +Lord O +God O +rules O +. O + + +He O +is O +the O +All O +- O +Powerful O +. O + + +Let O +us O +rejoice O +and O +be O +happy O +and O +give O +God O +glory O +! O + + +Give O +God O +glory O +, O +because O +the O +wedding O +of O +the O +Lamb O +has O +come O +. O + + +And O +the O +Lamb O +'s O +bride O +has O +made O +herself O +ready O +. O + + +Fine O +linen O +was O +given O +to O +the O +bride O +for O +her O +to O +wear O +. O + + +The O +linen O +was O +bright O +and O +clean O +. O +'' O + + +-LRB- O +The O +fine O +linen O +means O +the O +good O +things O +that O +God O +'s O +holy O +people O +did O +. O +-RRB- O + + +Then O +the O +angel O +said O +to O +me O +, O +`` O +Write O +this O +: O +Great O +blessings O +belong O +to O +those O +who O +are O +invited O +to O +the O +wedding O +meal O +of O +the O +Lamb O +! O +'' O + + +Then O +the O +angel O +said O +, O +`` O +These O +are O +the O +true O +words O +of O +God O +. O +'' O + + +Then O +I O +bowed O +down O +before O +the O +angel O +'s O +feet O +to O +worship O +him O +. O + + +But O +the O +angel O +said O +to O +me O +, O +`` O +Do O +n't O +worship O +me O +! O + + +I O +am O +a O +servant O +like O +you O +and O +your O +brothers O +and O +sisters O +who O +have O +the O +truth O +of O +Jesus O +. O + + +So O +worship O +God O +! O + + +Because O +the O +truth O +of O +Jesus O +is O +the O +spirit O +of O +prophecy O +. O +'' O + + +Then O +I O +saw O +heaven O +open O +. O + + +There O +before O +me O +was O +a O +white O +horse O +. O + + +The O +rider O +on O +the O +horse O +was O +called O +Faithful O +and O +True O +, O +because O +he O +is O +right O +in O +his O +judging O +and O +in O +making O +war O +. O + + +His O +eyes O +were O +like O +burning O +fire O +. O + + +He O +had O +many O +crowns O +on O +his O +head O +. O + + +A O +name O +was O +written O +on O +him O +, O +but O +he O +was O +the O +only O +one O +who O +knew O +its O +meaning O +. O + + +He O +was O +dressed O +in O +a O +robe O +dipped O +in O +blood O +, O +and O +he O +was O +called O +the O +Word O +of O +God O +. O + + +The O +armies O +of O +heaven O +were O +following O +the O +rider O +on O +the O +white O +horse O +. O + + +They O +were O +also O +riding O +white O +horses O +. O + + +They O +were O +dressed O +in O +fine O +linen O +, O +white O +and O +clean O +. O + + +A O +sharp O +sword O +came O +out O +of O +the O +rider O +'s O +mouth O +, O +a O +sword O +that O +he O +would O +use O +to O +defeat O +the O +nations O +. O + + +And O +he O +will O +rule O +the O +nations O +with O +a O +rod O +of O +iron O +. O + + +He O +will O +crush O +the O +grapes O +in O +the O +winepress O +of O +the O +terrible O +anger O +of O +God O +All O +- O +Powerful O +. O + + +On O +his O +robe O +and O +on O +his O +leg O +was O +written O +this O +name O +: O +king O +of O +kings O +and O +lord O +of O +lords O +Then O +I O +saw O +an O +angel O +standing O +in O +the O +sun O +. O + + +In O +a O +loud O +voice O +the O +angel O +said O +to O +all O +the O +birds O +flying O +in O +the O +sky O +, O +`` O +Come O +together O +for O +the O +great O +supper O +of O +God O +. O + + +Come O +together O +so O +that O +you O +can O +eat O +the O +bodies O +of O +rulers O +and O +army O +commanders O +and O +famous O +men O +. O + + +Come O +to O +eat O +the O +bodies O +of O +the O +horses O +and O +their O +riders O +and O +the O +bodies O +of O +all O +people O +-- O +free O +, O +slave O +, O +small O +, O +and O +great O +. O +'' O + + +Then O +I O +saw O +the O +beast O +and O +the O +rulers O +of O +the O +earth O +. O + + +Their O +armies O +were O +gathered O +together O +to O +make O +war O +against O +the O +rider O +on O +the O +horse O +and O +his O +army O +. O + + +But O +the O +beast O +was O +captured O +, O +and O +the O +false O +prophet O +was O +also O +captured O +. O + + +He O +was O +the O +one O +who O +did O +the O +miracles O +for O +the O +beast O +. O + + +He O +had O +used O +these O +miracles O +to O +trick O +those O +who O +had O +the O +mark O +of O +the O +beast O +and O +worshiped O +its O +idol O +. O + + +The O +false O +prophet O +and O +the O +beast O +were O +thrown O +alive O +into O +the O +lake O +of O +fire O +that O +burns O +with O +sulfur O +. 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