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Biological DOOM: a brief overview of biological computation
(no, not that kind of biological doom)
DOOM is a classic first-person shooter game released in 1993 by id Software. Because it’s from 1993, it doesn’t require much computing power compared to modern games. Additionally, the code (written in C) is easy to compile to run on a variety of processors.
Over the years, hackers have made DOOM run on things such as an ATM, a touchbar of a MacBook, a Porsche 911, and even a TI-84 calculator powered by potato batteries.
But what about cells?
Requirements for DOOM
The inputs to DOOM are based on button presses, traditionally on a keyboard. 9 keys in total are required (assuming “switch weapon” is implemented as one key that cycles through weapons).
For computation, the original 1993 release required:
* 4 MB of RAM and 12 MB of hard-drive storage
* Intel 386 (bare minimum) or 486 processor.
There is some flexibility regarding the processor, but slower processors will have worse frame-rates. The Intel 386 had 275,000 transistors in its most basic configuration.
DOOM also requires a graphical output. The smallest resolution I’ve seen is 128x32 pixels, and that was cutting it a bit close. We’ll assume we need 4096 black-and-white pixels for the display.
Finally, DOOM has audio. For the purposes of this thought experiment, we can ignore this output. Although the soundtrack is great, it’s not strictly required to play the game.
Approaches to biological computation
So, how could we potentially run DOOM? Biological systems can perform computations in several ways:
Nucleic acid hybridization
These logic gates are based on strand displacement between complementary DNA sequences.[1] A recent paper demonstrated a set of DNA-based logic gates that could add two 6-bit binary numbers.
A DNA-based AND gate, from the paper. The output Oab is released only if both inputs A and B are present. This can also be reconfigured to work as an XOR gate.
Pros and cons:
* Memory capacity is good (encoded in DNA or RNA)
* Switching s
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[SEQ RERUN] Something to Protect
Today's post, Something to Protect was originally published on 30 January 2008. A summary (taken from the LW wiki):
> Many people only start to grow as a rationalist when they find something that they care about more than they care about rationality itself. It takes something really scary to cause you to override your intuitions with math.
Discuss the post here (rather than in the comments to the original post).
This post is part of the Rerunning the Sequences series, where we'll be going through Eliezer Yudkowsky's old posts in order so that people who are interested can (re-)read and discuss them. The previous post was Trust in Bayes, and you can use the sequence_reruns tag or rss feed to follow the rest of the series.
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can't help but notice the fact that technology is losing its power to improve our lives. This could change if they ever invent cold fusion or something really groundbreaking. But since the internet became a big deal in the 90's and cellphones got cheap, the improvements have been merely incremental. This is a problem for the folks in Siliconia because their business thrives on providing new things except none of it is really new these days. It doesn't take much to see the parallels between Facebook today and AOL in the 90's. We are in an era not of invention but reinvention as tech fatigue sets in. If you doubt this, consider this advertisement:
The tablet is already old hat. Nobody wants one which is why they are giving them away. The tablet is simply a cheap computer minus a keyboard. It is old tech repackaged as something new courtesy of the overhyped imagination of Steve Jobs. I can predict that the Apple Watch and Google Glass are destined for a similar fate as the tablet computer. These things are examples of tech fads.
Tech fads are nothing new, and they provoke a laugh when seen in hindsight. But no one really has the courage or the brains to call them fads while they are fads. A fad is nothing more than a novelty that excites curiosity for a brief time then fades as the novelty gets replaced by the need for utility. The Palm Pilot was one of those novelties, but it was less useful than using a simple paper address book and dayplanner. This continues today as I notice that many of the pictures on EDC show smartphones and tablets paired with Moleskine and Field Notes notebooks and an array of pens and pencils.
One would think that Jobs and Edison would have totally obliterated the Gutenberg world, yet paper survives in the age of screen ubiquity. It isn't like the nerds haven't tried to get rid of the notebook and the printing press, but paper persists because of its utility and ease of use. You don't have to plug in paper. Paper does not catch viruses or become clogged with malware. Paper doesn't shatter when it hits the ground.
Things don't change that much. You realize this when you watch a movie from the past about the future which is now the present. There are no flying cars today. Doors are still opened by hand with knobs and hinges. Artificial intelligence is nowhere near HAL 9000 levels.
I have loved tech for a long time because I saw how it made things better. The internet put the world of information at my fingertips. Cellphones made communication much easier. I never had to be pushed into adopting these things. It is only lately that I feel that the world of tech has become pushy. In the past, I always said yes. Today, I say no, and it isn't because I am some old dude averse to change. I say no because there is no change. Because of the lack of real change, the tech world has had to repackage the same old stuff and shove it down our throats. If you disagree with my thesis, consider the last time Facebook frustrated you by a change forced upon you. Just when you get used to it, they switch everything on you forcing you to go along or drop them altogether. Or, look at how Microsoft tried to force its customers into the touchscreen world with that abortion of an OS known as Windows 8. Tech used to change the world. Now, it tries to change its customers to like whatever they offer. The new things aren't really new. They are merely different.
The pinnacle of all this pushiness is the smartphone. People make fun of me for using an indestructible flip phone with long battery life, good sound quality, and great reception when I could upgrade to a piece of exposed fragile glass that drops the call that I can't hear and needs to spend every four hours plugged into the wall to recharge it. So, I ask the question I always ask when the mockery begins. What does the smartphone offer in terms of utility that I need and don't already have? The best answer is that a smartphone has GPS capability that I already have courtesy of my GPS and flip phone. The smartphone has been around long before Steve Jobs dumbed it down for the masses. Now, the phone resembles a game more than a communication device. The most popular app in the world for smartphones is the Facebook app. The smartphone is the tech version of candy which is tasty but not good for you.
It is easy to ignore a fad. You choose to be smart while everyone around you chooses to be stupid. The stupid people are the ones that are hard to ignore. I can't help but notice that smartphones are usually in the hands of stupid people. Many of these people don't even own a PC or have read a book since the requirement back in high school. Even the most impoverished welfare mother has a gigantic phablet smartphone. As for social gatherings, they amount to nothing more than people gathered in an area that serves food and drink while they ignore each other in favor of their screens.
I can lament these things, but I know they won't last. I survived hair metal, so I can survive this. If there is anything truly new today, it is the desperation that the tech industry displays as the price of their wares heads towards their true value and away from their hyped value. This is why they are giving away those tablets for free. This is why Bluetooth earpieces are left in the drawer unused. This is why they have an app that turns your smartphone into a dumbphone.
I don't know where things go from here. What I can say is that new fads will replace old fads in the same way that Justin Bieber replaced the Jonas Brothers. I just know that I am a late adopter when it comes to technology, and the tech industry would prefer that I be an early adopter which explains the pushiness. Their goal is not innovation but more profit from less value. I'm just tired of being pushed around.
Exercise as Corporal Mortification
I am what is known as an "early riser." This is a consequence of having a day job that requires me to be at work at a time when most people are still in the bed. Sleep and I have been on bad terms for a decade, but we make up on weekends, holidays, and days off. I am up at 4 a.m, and I am out the door by 5ish. I like to think I have some kind of discipline, but I am humbled as I drive to work and see people out on the streets wearing their lights and vests as they pound the pavement in devotion to their training. I only have to drag myself out of bed and stumble into work as I quaff coffee to give some kind of jolt to my system. These people are out there punishing their bodies in the dark, the cold, the rain, and what have you. I have to abandon comfort each morning for the sake of my living. These people choose to abandon comfort. They choose to suffer each morning. This begs a question. Why?
Some years ago, I managed to infuriate some people in the pages of this blog. This would be the old blog that now sits in an electronic dustbin, so don't waste your time googling for the article. The blog post was a review about a documentary I watched from Netflix about ultrarunners and the infamous Badwater Ultramarathon where runners complete a 135 mile course in Death Valley in the middle of summer. Temperatures exceed 120 degrees, and the pavement becomes so hot that the runners stay on the white line of the road to keep their shoes from melting. This isn't a race you struggle to win so much as just finish. Once again, people choose to do this. This is not the Bataan Death March. This is a recreational endeavor. Once again, this begs a question. Why?
The ultrarunning crowd was not pleased with my questioning their sanity. They told me in various ways both nice and profane that I just didn't get it. I admit it. I didn't get it. This sort of behavior struck me as being unbalanced especially when some of the risks are kidney failure and death. Yet, people do this. They also do other things like enroll in Navy SEAL training for a weekend or run the Sahara desert over the course of a week. We could offer the possibility that people do these things for fun sort of like surfing, fly fishing, or hunting. But this overlooks the obvious fact that there is no fun in suffering. Pain is always pain. You have to ask yourself one question. Why?
I can venture an answer to the question. It is obvious that these people are not choosing to suffer for the sake of money since they are not getting paid to do it. I can also say that they are not doing it for the sake of health since many of the health benefits of exercise can be had on a much less strenuous regimen. We could say it is pride except you don't actually win anything. I think people willingly endure this pain for a spiritual reason. Most probably don't even realize it. But when you read about Indian ascetics fasting and meditating, ancient Stoics embracing cold statues and sleeping on boards, and nuns and monks wearing hairshirts and using disciplines on their bodies, it is easy to see the connection. These people punish their bodies for the sake of their souls. Modern day exercise makes such odd behavior acceptable in our times.
Brother Ass
St. Francis of Assisi referred to his body as "Brother Ass," and he practiced severe corporal mortification in disciplining that stubborn body. Francis fasted, wore rough garments, fasted often, denied himself many physical comforts, and even beat himself with a cord. We can admire this saint's devotion to these mortifications, but if you were to duplicate his example today, they would have you committed to an institution for the insane. Those who follow in the footsteps of St. Francis must do their mortifications in secret. Even Francis lamented that he may have been too severe with Brother Ass and praised restraint in the practice of corporal mortification.
St. Josemaria Escriva also practiced corporal mortification and recommended it for others. But his most basic spiritual direction in this regard is the heroic minute. This is the moment when you wake up in the morning and reach for the snooze button on the alarm clock. This is the first battle of the day, and it is won or lost depending on your decision to hit that button. The reason the heroic minute is so important is because it determines whether you will spend time in prayer or not. It doesn't take long to discover that sleep is the biggest enemy to the disciplined life. It can break your entire day if you let it command you. I take to heart this advice from Escriva since that battle is a daily thing for me. But I also like the rejoinder that "here you have a mortification that strengthens your will and does no harm to your body."
Exercise has this same effect on people. It strengthens the will without harming the body. The problem with old school corporal mortifications is that they do damage to the body. This is why St. Francis of Assisi lamented that he may have been too severe with Brother Ass because his mortifications damaged his health.
The advantage of exercising daily and hitting the gym is that these mortifications exercise the will very effectively, but your body becomes fitter as a result. This is what they call a "win-win" deal. Before you reach for the cilice, try the jump rope and the free weights first.
Some may argue that the severe exercisers are not seeking a spiritual benefit in their trials. I can admit that most gym rats seem motivated more by vanity than spiritual welfare. But those who exercise away from the mirrors seem to take on the character of the God haunted monks of old.
Ultrarunners describe their self-appointed trials in virtually spiritual terms as they descend into an area of internal darkness to come out on the other side. They sound like St. John of the Cross with his dark night of the soul. Many of these people probably have no religion whatsoever, yet they scratch that invisible itch. People desire suffering not because they are masochists but because of what they discover about themselves in those trials. When the body is beaten, the spirit can roam free.
Pain is painful, and you should avoid it if you can. But if you have a soul, pain is something you can't avoid. I used to think that the willing sufferers were stupid, but I was an atheist then. Atheists don't like pain and suffering unless they can brag about it like Nietzsche. Suffering is pointless to the atheist. For the atheist, you should take care of your body until depression or disease force you into the arms of euthanasia. As a believer, I see value in suffering. We are more than just our bodies, and it is in suffering that we learn this most essential lesson. As everyone else reaches for the prescription meds and the Jim Beam, those who embrace the suffering and the darkness find the comfort their souls need. When we hurt on the outside, it helps us to stop hurting on the inside. What the world sees as agony is really relief. The only real pain is in the soul.
The Bait and Switch
We are the first nation in the history of the world to go to the poor house in an automobile.
All economic systems have some virtue at their core, or else they would be left untried. The prime virtue of communism is that it makes everyone equal even if it is an equality of misery. You will suffer, but you can take comfort in the fact that your neighbors are suffering, too. With capitalism, the primary virtue is that it produces large amounts of prosperity. Unfortunately, that prosperity is not distributed widely but concentrated in the hands of the few rich people able to dupe the rest of the population into various forms of wage slavery and indentured servitude. This con game is possible because capitalism achieves through fraud what communism achieves through force. This game is known as the "bait and switch."
The bait and switch game is a fairly simple one. You promise one thing and deliver something else. Politicians do it all the time. They make campaign promises up to the election, and then they disregard them once in office as they perform favors for their rich contributors. The hapless voter is left disappointed and embittered but will keep pulling the lever at election time as a sort of referendum for what he would like to see happen as opposed to what actually happens. My advice is to stop voting, so you can at least maintain the dignity of not being a dupe.
With capitalism, the bait is some promise of prosperity in exchange for some freedom and security. For instance, the student goes to college in hopes of having a good job and a first class ticket to the middle class. The result is no job except pouring coffee at Starbucks and a lifetime of indentured servitude. In another instance, a family buys a really nice large home with a mortgage with a low interest rate. But this is an adjustable rate mortgage that goes up making the family homeless as they lose the home they can no longer afford. Or consider the people who migrated to take advantage of the oil boom and the high pay this boom generated. Those people are now being laid off as the Saudis turn on the spigot wide open to destroy the challenge to their oil hegemony. Whether intentional or unintentional, the effect is the same. People ride the boom up, and they ride the bust down into oblivion.
The apologists for this bait and switch game of free market capitalism will defend the system as producing the greatest prosperity the world has ever seen. They would be correct. Free market capitalism has produced the greatest prosperity the world has ever seen. Thanks to capitalism, today's poor get to enjoy their poverty by endless distraction from their smartphones. Houses have never been bigger or more empty. People have more gadgets and better stuff but have never been more afraid in their lives for their own prosperity and survival. They never know when it will all go up in smoke. Prosperity should promote a feeling of stability and security, but these things are foreign to free market capitalism.
Survivors of the Great Depression learned the lessons of capitalism well. This is why they were thrifty for life and eschewed stock investing. This is why they would hoard preserves and other food stuffs, shun debt, and use up things instead of wasting them. Once you've had the ground move underneath your feet, you avoid big buildings with no ready exits. We can consider those Depression folk to be paranoid, but they look smarter all the time to us in this Great Recession.
The Austrian economists try to explain the business cycle in terms of central banking. For them, the boom and the bust is created by the machinations of the Federal Reserve as it inflates the money supply. There is some truth to this except they overlook the booms and the busts that existed before central banking. The Austrians are always at pains to point at some expansion of credit as the culprit in every bubble. But this is like pointing to oxygen as the cause of fire since it is always present in every blaze. For libertarians, government and central banks are the oxygen. But oxygen does not cause fire. It merely dictates the size of the fire relative to the fuel and the heat. Likewise, bubbles are the product of psychology as people throw caution to the wind in pursuit of fast and easy riches. Credit merely makes it faster and easier.
Whenever someone criticizes free market capitalism, the assumption is that the critic must be some form of Marxist or worse--a Keynesian. But I am neither Marxist nor Keynesian. I am a Distributist which means I believe in capitalism for the masses. I believe in an ownership society, and I don't mean that fake one George W. Bush advocated where everyone gets to be in hock to some bank. This idea is what we know as the American Dream which was the prime motivation of everyone that voluntarily emigrated to the New World. The American Dream is really a modest dream. You would own your own home free of debt to some banker. You would own your own business or farm or work your trade. You would have savings and a measure of self-reliance. You could have a family. This dream is a small dream. There are no mansions or yachts or Maseratis in the American Dream. There is simplicity and security. Yet, this dream eludes virtually everyone in America today who is enslaved to some corporation to pay off some moneylender with Uncle Sam ready to tax the rest and Wall Street to scam you, too. The working man is nothing more than an animal being milked and bled until he is dry and turned into glue and dog food.
How did this farce come about? Like it or not, many people living the American Nightmare are there because of their own choosing. They swallowed the bait, and the hook is now set. You can get off the hook, but it will hurt you in the process because the hook always goes in easier than it comes out. The bait is swallowed everytime you sign an agreement on a loan or a mortgage. The basis for this bait and switch game is simple usury. The Austrians blame central banking, but the real culprit is just banking.
Usury is the trick where people take their future labor and exchange it for something now. This is how people can pay for three houses over a liftetime where patience and thrift could have bought them the same home in less than a decade. Poor people are always borrowing money which means they are always perpetually in debt. Rich people never borrow money and may actually lend money. This creates an effect like a Hoover vacuum cleaner that sucks wealth from the bottom up to the top. The automobiles and the smartphones and other consumer items are merely the bait on the hook of usury. The apologists for this colossal joke try desperately to defend that bait as a good meal. The reality is what Will Rogers explained so eloquently when he said that we are the first country to go to the poorhouse in an automobile.
Economists will try and use fancy jargon and other tricks to explain how this system is a good one. But ecnomists are self-deluded liars who will say anything for the sake of a job with a think tank or the government. Common sense will tell you that someone who goes on a spending spree with a credit card is not actually rich despite having a lot of stuff. Americans have a lot of stuff, but they are also the biggest debtors in the world. Even Uncle Sam owes the usurers which gets passed on to us.
We can make arguments for all sorts of laws and regulations to try and fix this problem, but there is only one law that needs to be passed. This would be a law against usury. Even the most die hard Austrian will still defend usury. Austrians see the culprit in credit expansion but overlook the fact that usury is the spark that sets the house on fire. Credit expansion is where you lend money that doesn't actually exist, but money itself doesn't actually exist except as a medium of exchange. The boom happens when the money is lent, and the bust happens when it can no longer be paid back. The way to end the boom and bust is to put an end to the lending of money at interest.
Distributists despise usury. But a law against usury is unlikely to see passage. This may seem like doom until you realize that it is always in the power of anyone to not accept credit. Cut up those credit cards. Refuse to buy on time. Always pay cash for things or do without. Pay off debts as quickly as possible. Live a simple life. The result of doing this is a growing sense of security as debts vanish and savings grow. If you are stressed out, you are not prosperous no matter how much stuff you may have. Prosperity is the elimination of risk and not the concentration of risk. Free market capitalism is nothing more than a casino where everyone is a loser except the house. The drinks and meals are free until your chips are gone. Then, you are put out on the street. Do yourself a favor, and don't take the bait.
Wealth Without Work
"Work?" Callano said with a laugh. "Me work? Only suckers work."
From the interview Only Suckers Work
Work is for suckers. Anyone who spends any considerable amount of time with me will hear me say this line. I say it with sarcasm. It sums up what I think of so many people in this unjust world. I say it with sarcasm but not bitterness because I am one of those suckers who has to work for his living. I am smart enough to get money without working, but I'm not sleazy enough to actually do it. The simple fact is that conscience is the only barrier between you and fabulous riches.
I divide the world into two basic classes of people. There are those who work for a living producing things of value and serving the needs of humanity, and there are those who are on the grift parasiting off of those who do real work. The grifters can be subdivided into those who grift legally and those who grift illegally. Morally, they are no different.
The problem with the world is that we assign value according to what people earn in dollars as opposed to what they produce of value. Money becomes the final arbiter of what is good, right, and just. By this logic, the well paid stripper has greater value than the humble but hardworking schoolteacher. But I don't abide by this logic at all. Any fool and sleazebag can get paid. It takes virtue to produce value. So, I appraise people not by the size of their paychecks or the cars they drive but by what they do and produce. I like to see callouses on the hands and dirt under the fingernails. As a result, I hold the waitress at the Waffle House in higher esteem than the Queen of England.
When people think about wealth without work, the first image that springs to mind is the welfare queen living large on the checks she gets from Uncle Sugar while the rest of us taxpayers work hard to keep her producing children out of wedlock and smoking her dope. Along with the welfare queen is the disability slug who has conned the government into giving him a check for not working though he is able bodied and the leech collecting unemployment checks and managing to remain jobless until that last check is cut. At this point in the essay, the Fox News watchers are cheering this bit. But hang on. You will feel the sting before I am done.
If welfare is getting paid for not working, then by the same logic, retirees on Social Security are also welfare parasites. At this point, I have lost the AARP crowd. The irony is that the vast majority of these welfare geezers watch Fox News and curse the welfare queen with a few racially charged terms to rub manure into the wound. Their response? "Well, I paid into it." This is correct. Thanks to the law, everyone who earns a living has to participate in the Social Security ponzi scheme. But today's beneficiaries are being paid from today's workers who are unlikely to see Social Security checks in their old age. If we apply this to bike theft, I can go and knock some guy off his Cannondale and take it to make up for the bike I had stolen from me ten years ago. I earned that bike, dammit. Sucks for you.
If you are getting some kind of government check beyond a tax refund, chances are that you are a parasite. Most government workers are parasites. Members of the armed forces, police officers, teachers, and firemen are safe from my writer's wrath, but I think every member of Congress is a crook. This also goes for their well paid staff members, the POTUS, the Secretary of Whatever, and those nine unjust justices sitting on the Supreme Court. What value do any of these people create? When did you ever thank the Lord for the work of some government bureaucrat? Every dollar that government spends comes from the pockets of hard working Americans. This begs a question. What do the citizens receive in return for all those tax dollars? I would say very little. But you can bet that many of those government parasites pull down at least six figures with a generous pension and Cadillac health benefits that the rest of us can't afford. This farce is called "public service." The only sacrifice these bloodsuckers ever made was forfeiting more lucrative opportunities in the private sector for the more secure paycheck of a government job.
Government workers make a fat target, but the fat cats in the private sector are no better. It's too bad I lost the MSNBC crowd at this stage with my disdain for government workers as I now aim my sights at the corporate looters. The worst sector of the private market is the financial services sector which makes its money from usury and deception. These are the ones that the hard working Americans had to bail out back in 2008. These people create nothing. Yet, they are paid millions and billions for putting wealth at risk with a government backstop to keep their casino afloat whenever their greed overwhelms their common sense. Between money printing from the Fed and assurances from Big Daddy O, it has never been better to be in the financial services industry. And we know who suffers. This would be every sucker in America that actually makes a living the old fashioned way by earning it.
The rest of Corporate America is little better because they also get subsidies, tax breaks, and bailouts from the government. Inside of these companies, the hourly employees are squeezed for the last penny, urged to go on public assistance, and denied living wages with the implicit threat that even cheaper wage slaves can be had once you've been terminated. Meanwhile, CEOs, middle management, upper management, consultants, and the like get paid fat cash to blow wads of money deceiving shareholders, beating down the workforce, cheating customers, and escaping with their golden parachutes once their chicanery finally earns them a pink slip. What value do any of these people create?
The reality is that this economy has a growing class of parasites and a shrinking class of producers. If you look at dollars paid, it is hard to tell the good guys from the bad guys. Buf if you look at who works and who doesn't, the good guys are easily distinguishable from the bad guys. Once the work question comes up, suddenly, every parasite is quick to point to some blue collar roots, cite long hours on the job, and make dubious claims to "earning it." The funny thing is that these people who don't earn anything can find a way to insult real working people as uneducated low class slugs the rest of the time. Real working people have to account for every minute of their day to some management rat that can't even tell you what it is that they do.
What do you do? What value do you create? How do you make the world a better place? And why should you be paid what you are paid? These are important questions. The simple fact is that there are those who produce real wealth, and there are those who steal it. If you believe work is for suckers, you are a thief. If you don't work for a living, then you steal for a living. And if you feel the need to knock on the working poor and dehumanize them in every way, why do you need our dollars to keep your lazy ass rich?
I don't know how much longer this game will last. I'd like to say that justice is coming swiftly, but I've seen this sort of thing my entire life. The history of the world is replete with examples of those who work and those who grift. But I can also say that the bad guys fall with regularity like Bernie Madoff. On the individual level, I see the toll of the grift. I've never met a rich person who was happy or even secure. But I see happy blue collar workers every day of my life. I have wondered why the honest working masses don't rise up and cut throats and burn down the mansions of the parasites. But I think it comes from equanimity and the knowledge that the best revenge is to not become like your enemy. For me, I see it when these rats can't look me in the eye but cast them down to the floor in shame. They know what they are. A thousand lies can't cover the singular truth that they are thieves who produce nothing of value for anyone. They lack the virtue required to make an honest living, and they will pay for it with their souls.
Vegan Hacks
It doesn't take me much effort to win the argument for eating vegan. I accept the fact that most people are never going to become vegan and would rather die than give up meat. I just make sure their decision to die is an informed decision sort of like the Surgeon General's warning on a pack of cigarettes. If I could get a similar warning on a pack of frozen hamburgers or on a sign outside every McDonald's, my job would be finished. Since that is unlikely to happen in my lifetime, I just quote the facts, scientific studies, and just plain common sense. Then, I offer the three day challenge followed by the two week challenge. Most people agree that going two weeks without meat, dairy, and eggs will not kill them. Every person who has taken the challenge reports feeling better, losing weight, and having increased energy. Then, they go back to eating animal products. But they know where they didn't know. That's all I can do.
The problem with being vegan is that it is not as easy as eating crap. If you have spent a lifetime eating from fast food restaurants, drive thru windows, vending machines, convenience stores, and the microwave oven, the first thing you discover is that being vegan means giving up all that convenience. I think this convenience issue is the number one reason for vegan apostasy. Life is busy. There are things to get done. Who has time to cook and prepare food?
Before I became vegan, I thought long and hard about this issue. I had to come up with a gameplan for this issue, but I had help in the form of Tim Ferriss. Now, Ferriss is no vegan but a meathead. I think his paleo style diet is a bunch of crap. But I appreciate that Tim has a unique way of looking at the world and finding ways to make it work for him. So, I took some of his tips but also his mindset to come up with these vegan lifehacks to make the vegan lifestyle work for me. Here they are:
1. Eat the same things for breakfast and lunch everyday.
This one comes straight from Tim Ferriss. Breakfast and lunch are the most inconvenient meals of the day. Many people skip breakfast entirely. Lunch is whatever is available at the nearest restaurant or lunch counter. Or, it is just a pack of crackers from a vending machine. But it isn't the preparation of a meal that takes so long as the time spent trying to decide what to prepare and eat. I already know that I am going to eat oatmeal for breakfast tomorrow and sandwiches for lunch. The total time I spend each day preparing those two meals is 10 minutes. This is exactly how long it will take you to get through drive thru windows if you choose McDonald's for these meals. I would venture to say that I spend less time on these meals than the meatheads since most drive thru lanes are packed.
2. Get a lunchbox.
My old man used to carry a lunchbox like the one pictured above. I choose one more modern that I can put a blue ice in. I also recommend a Klean Kanteen for water and beverages. Also, check out To-Go Ware for their stainless steel food carriers. I'm not sure when it became uncool to carry your own food, but if you are a vegan, this should not bother you since being vegan isn't cool either.
3. Eat fruit.
Fruit is nature's fast food. I learned from the raw food folks that fruit can be a meal. If you don't have time to prepare a meal, eat a bunch of bananas or toss some in your lunchbox. Keep dried fruit on hand like raisins or craisins. I have also found that many convenience stores carry fresh fruit now like apples and bananas. Carrots and celery are also good. These foods require no cooking at all. The problem is that we think of them only as snacks instead of meals. The key is to just smash in as much fruit as your guts can hold, and you will feel very satisfied.
4. Vegan Quick Meals.
For dinner, a vegan quick meal is an awesome solution when you are eating by yourself or don't have time to make a real meal. Basically, these are soups and stews made from vegetable stock or a vegan soup in a can. Take a pot and put in your can soup or vegetable broth. Add whatever leftover carrots, celery, onions, or greens you may have in the fridge. Add some beans. Toss in ramen noodles, pasta, or crumble up some crackers or matzo. I like Texas Pete for some kick. Now, you can make various flavor combinations depending on what is on hand, but you should have this made before Rachael Ray's assistant has finished chopping her stuff for her 30 minute meals. Have some fresh fruit for dessert.
5. Go to the grocery store daily.
People believe that a trip to the grocery store must entail buying large quantities of groceries at one time, but I have learned that a five item trip takes just a few minutes. It takes less time to pick up those few items than it used to take me to pick up a meal from some fast food place. Convenience stores and fast food chains used to be fast and convenient, but they aren't that way now. Grocery stores have learned to be more convenient with deli aisles and express lanes. If you go during the day, it is like a ghost town in the grocery store. I go to the grocery store in the same fashion that other people go to the convenience store or fast food joint, but it takes me less time to get what I need.
Those are my hacks. I live in one of the most inhospitable environments to veganism that exists where even the vegetables come slathered with meat chunks and lard. I also don't do social eating because most of the people here are so stupid that they think being vegan means you only eat grilled chicken and salmon. There is a social cost to being vegan, but this is the price you have to pay for being smarter than the herd. It can be lonely on the cliff as you watch everyone jump off the edge without you. I can live with that.[SEP]
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[CLS]How to pursue a career in AI governance and coordination
*This is an edited and condensed version of the full AI governance and coordination career review that we have published at*[*80,000 Hours*](https://80000hours.org/career-reviews/ai-policy-and-strategy/)*.*
As advancing AI capabilities gained widespread attention in late 2022 and 2023 — particularly after the release of OpenAI’s ChatGPT and Microsoft’s Bing chatbot — interest in governing and regulating these systems [has grown](https://apnews.com/article/chatgpt-openai-ceo-sam-altman-congress-73ff96c6571f38ad5fd68b3072722790). Discussion of the potential [catastrophic risks](https://80000hours.org/problem-profiles/artificial-intelligence/) of misaligned or uncontrollable AI also became [more prominent](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/30/technology/ai-threat-warning.html), potentially opening up opportunities for policy that could mitigate the threats.
There’s still a lot of uncertainty about which strategies for AI governance and coordination would be best, though parts of the community of people working on this subject may be coalescing around some ideas. See, for example, [a list of potential policy ideas](https://www.openphilanthropy.org/research/12-tentative-ideas-for-us-ai-policy/) from Luke Muehlhauser of Open Philanthropy and a survey of expert opinion on [best practices in AI safety and governance](https://www.governance.ai/research-paper/towards-best-practices-in-agi-safety-and-governance).
But there’s no roadmap here. There’s plenty of room for debate about which policies and proposals are needed.
We may not have found the best ideas yet in this space, and many of the existing policy ideas haven’t yet been developed into concrete, public proposals that could actually be implemented. We hope to see more people enter this field to develop expertise and skills that will contribute to risk-reducing AI governance and coordination.
**In a nutshell:** Advanced AI systems could have massive impacts on humanity and potentially pose global catastrophic risks. There are opportunities in AI governance and coordination around these threats to shape how society responds to and prepares for the challenges posed by the technology.
Given the high stakes, pursuing this career path could be many people’s highest-impact option. But they should be very careful not to accidentally exacerbate the threats rather than mitigate them.
**Why this could be a high-impact career path**
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Artificial intelligence has advanced rapidly. In 2022 and 2023, new language and image generation models gained widespread attention for their abilities, blowing past previous benchmarks the technology had met.
And the applications of these models are still new; with more tweaking and integration into society, the existing AI systems may become easier to use and more ubiquitous in our lives.
We don’t know where all these developments will lead us. There’s reason to be optimistic that AI will eventually help us solve many of the [world’s problems](https://80000hours.org/problem-profiles/), raising living standards and helping us build a more flourishing society.
But there are also substantial risks. AI can be used for both good and ill. And we have concerns that the technology could, without the proper controls, accidentally lead to a major catastrophe — and perhaps even cause human extinction. We discuss the arguments that these risks exist in our [in-depth problem profile](https://80000hours.org/problem-profiles/artificial-intelligence/).
Because of these risks, we encourage people to [work on finding ways to reduce the danger through technical research and engineering](https://80000hours.org/career-reviews/ai-safety-researcher/).
But a range of strategies for risk reduction will likely be needed. Government policy and corporate governance interventions in particular may be necessary to ensure that AI is developed to be as broadly beneficial as possible and without unacceptable risk.
Governance generally refers to the processes, structures, and systems that carry out decision making for organisations and societies at a high level. In the case of AI, we expect the governance structures that matter most to be national governments and organisations developing AI — as well as some international organisations and perhaps subnational governments.
Some aims of AI governance work could include:
* Preventing the deployment of any AI systems that pose a significant and direct threat of [catastrophe](https://80000hours.org/problem-profiles/artificial-intelligence/)
* Mitigating the negative impact of AI technology on other catastrophic risks, such as nuclear weapons and biotechnology
* Guiding the integration of AI technology into our society and economy with limited harms and to the advantage of all
* Reducing the risk of an “AI arms race,” in which competition leads to technological advancement without the necessary safeguards and caution — between nations and between companies
* Ensuring that those creating the most advanced AI models are incentivised to be cooperative and concerned about safety
* Slowing down the development and deployment of new systems *if* the advancements are likely to outpace our ability to keep them safe and under control
We need a community of experts who understand the intersection of modern AI systems and policy, as well as the severe threats and potential solutions. This field is still young, and many of the paths within it aren’t clear and are not sure to pan out. But there are relevant professional paths that will provide you valuable [career capital](https://80000hours.org/career-guide/career-capital/) for a variety of positions and types of roles.
The rest of this article explains what work in this area might involve, how you can develop career capital and test your fit, and where some promising places to work might be.
**What kinds of work might contribute to AI governance?**
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What should governance-related work on AI actually involve? There are a variety of ways to pursue AI governance strategies, and as the field becomes more mature, the paths are likely to become clearer and more established.
We generally don’t think people early in their careers should be aiming for a specific job that they think would be high-impact. They should instead aim to develop skills, experience, knowledge, judgement, networks, and credentials — what we call [*career capital*](https://80000hours.org/career-guide/career-capital/) — that they can later use when an opportunity to have a positive impact is ripe.
This may involve following a pretty standard career trajectory, or it may involve bouncing around in different kinds of roles. Sometimes, you just have to apply to a bunch of different roles and test your fit for various types of work before you know what you’ll be good at. The main thing to keep in mind is that you should try to get excellent at something for which you have strong [personal fit](https://80000hours.org/career-guide/personal-fit/) and that will let you contribute to solving pressing problems.
In the AI governance and coordination space, we see at least six large categories of work that we expect to be important:
* Government work
* Research on AI policy and strategy
* Industry work
* Advocacy and lobbying
* Third-party auditing and evaluation
* International work and coordination
There aren’t necessarily openings in all these categories at the moment for careers in AI governance, but they represent a range of sectors in which impactful work may potentially be done in the coming years and decades. Thinking about the different skills and forms of career capital that will be useful for the categories of work you could see yourself doing in the future can help you figure out what your immediate next steps should be. (We discuss how to assess your fit and enter this field below.)
You may want to — and indeed it may be advantageous to — move between these different categories of work at different points in your career. You can also test out your fit for various roles by taking internships, fellowships, entry-level jobs, temporary placements, or even doing independent research, all of which can serve as career capital for a range of paths.
We have also reviewed career paths in [AI technical safety research and engineering](https://80000hours.org/career-reviews/ai-safety-researcher/) and [information security](https://80000hours.org/career-reviews/information-security/), which may be crucial to reducing risks from AI, and which may play a significant role in an effective governance agenda. People serious about pursuing a career in AI governance should familiarise themselves with these fields as well.
### **Government work**
Taking a role within government could lead to playing an important role in the development, enactment, and enforcement of AI policy.
Note that we generally expect that the US federal government will be the most significant player in AI governance for the foreseeable future. This is because of its global influence and its jurisdiction over much of the AI industry, including the top three AI labs training state-of-the-art, general-purpose models (Anthropic, OpenAI, and Google DeepMind) and key parts of the chip supply chain. Much of this article focuses on US policy and government.
But other governments and international institutions may also end up having important roles to play in certain scenarios. For example, the UK government, the European Union, [China](https://80000hours.org/career-reviews/china-related-ai-safety-and-governance-paths/), and potentially others, may all present opportunities for impactful AI governance work. Some US state-level governments, such as California, may also offer opportunities for impact and gaining career capital.
What would this work involve? Sections below discuss how to enter US policy work and which areas of the government that you might aim for.
But at the broadest level, people interested in positively shaping AI policy should aim to gain the skills and experience to work in areas of government with some connection to AI or emerging technology policy.
This can include roles in: **legislative branches, domestic regulation, national security, diplomacy, appropriations and budgeting, and other policy areas.**
If you can get a role out of the gate that is already working directly on this issue, such as a staff position with a lawmaker who is focused on AI, that could be a great opportunity.
Otherwise, you should seek to learn as much as you can about how policy works and which government roles might allow you to have the most impact, while establishing yourself as someone who’s knowledgeable about the AI policy landscape. Having almost any significant government role that touches on some aspect of AI, or having some impressive AI-related credential, may be enough to get you quite far.
One way to advance your career in government on a specific topic is what some call “getting visibility” — that is, using your position to learn about the landscape and connect with the actors and institutions that affect the policy area you care about. You’ll want to be invited to meetings with other officials and agencies, be asked for input on decisions, and engage socially with others who work in the policy area. If you can establish yourself as a well-regarded expert on an important but neglected aspect of the issue, you’ll have a better shot at being included in key discussions and events.
Career trajectories within government can be broken down roughly as follows:
* **Standard government track:** This involves entering government at a relatively low level and building up your career capital on the inside by climbing the seniority ladder. For the highest impact, you’d ideally end up reaching senior levels by sticking around, gaining skills and experience, and getting promoted. You may move between agencies, departments, or branches.
* **Specialisation career capital:** You can also move in and out of government throughout your career. People on this trajectory will also work at nonprofits, think tanks, industry labs, political parties, academia, and other organisations. But they will primarily focus on becoming an expert in a topic — such as AI. It can be harder to get seniority this way, but the value of expertise and experience can sometimes outweigh seniority.
* **Direct-impact work:** Some people move into government jobs without a longer plan to build career capital because they see an opportunity for direct, immediate impact. This might look like getting tapped to lead an important commission or providing valuable input on an urgent project. We don’t generally recommend planning on this kind of strategy for your career, but it’s good to be aware of it as an opportunity that might be worth taking at some point.
### **Research on AI policy and strategy**
There’s still a lot of research to be done on the most important avenues for AI governance approaches. While there are some promising proposals for a system of regulatory and strategic steps that can help reduce the risk of an AI catastrophe, there aren’t many concrete and publicly available policy proposals ready for adoption.
The world needs more concrete proposals for AI policies that would really start to tackle the biggest threats; developing such policies, and deepening our understanding of the strategic needs of the AI governance space, should be high priorities.
Other relevant research could involve surveys of public opinion that could inform communication strategies, legal research about the feasibility of proposed policies, technical research on issues like [compute governance](https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/BHPxe8YuuJ4SZWAF3/what-is-compute-transformative-ai-and-compute-1-4), and even higher-level theoretical research into questions about the societal implications of advanced AI. Some research, such as that done by [Epoch AI](https://epochai.org/), focuses on forecasting the future course of AI developments, which can influence AI governance decisions.
However, several experts we’ve talked to warn that a lot of research on AI governance may prove to be useless, so it’s important to be reflective and seek input from others in the field — both from experienced policy practitioners and technical experts — about what kind of contribution you can make. We list several research organisations below that we think would be good to work at in order to pursue promising research on this topic.
One potentially useful approach for testing your fit for this work — especially when starting out in this research — is to write up analyses and responses to existing work on AI policy, or investigate some questions in this area that haven’t been the subject of much attention. You can then share your work widely, send it out for feedback from people in the field, and evaluate how much you enjoy the work and whether you might productively contribute to this research longer term.
But it’s possible to spend too long testing your fit without making much progress, and some people find that they’re best able to contribute when they’re working on a team. So don’t overweight or over-invest in independent work, especially if there are few signs it’s working out especially well for you. This kind of project can make sense for maybe a month or a bit longer — but it’s unlikely to be a good idea to spend much more than that without meaningful funding or some really encouraging feedback from people working in the field.
If you have the experience to be hired as a researcher, work on AI governance can be done in [academia](https://80000hours.org/career-reviews/academic-research/), nonprofit organisations, and [think tanks](https://80000hours.org/career-reviews/think-tank-research/). Some government agencies and committees, too, perform valuable research.
Note that universities and academia have their own priorities and incentives that often aren’t aligned with producing the most impactful work. If you’re already an established researcher with tenure, it may be highly valuable to pivot into work on AI governance — this position may even give you a credible platform from which to advocate for important ideas.
But if you’re just starting out a research career and want to focus on this issue, you should carefully consider whether your work will be best supported inside or outside of academia. For example, if you know of a specific programme with particular mentors who will help you pursue answers to critical questions in this field, it might be worth doing. We’re less inclined to encourage people to pursue generic academic-track roles with the vague hope that one day they can do important research on this topic.
Advanced degrees in policy or relevant technical fields may well be valuable, though — see more discussion of this in the section on how to assess your fit and get started.
### **Industry work**
While government policy is likely to play a key role in coordinating various actors interested in reducing the risks from advanced AI, internal policy and corporate governance at the largest AI labs themselves is also a powerful tool. We think people who care about reducing risk can potentially do valuable work internally at industry labs. (Read our career review of [non-technical roles at AI labs](https://80000hours.org/career-reviews/non-technical-roles-in-ai-labs/).)
At the highest level, deciding who sits on corporate boards, what kind of influence those boards have, and to what extent the organisation is structured to seek profit and shareholder value as opposed to other aims, can end up having a major impact on the direction a company takes. If you might be able to get a leadership role at a company developing frontier AI models, such as a management position or a seat on the board, it could potentially be a very impactful position.
If you’re able to join a policy team at a major lab, you can model threats and help develop, implement, and evaluate promising proposals internally to reduce risks. And you can build consensus around best practices, such as strong information security policies, using outside evaluators to find vulnerabilities and dangerous behaviours in AI systems (red teaming), and testing out the latest techniques from the field of AI safety.
And if, as we expect, AI labs face increasing government oversight, industry governance and policy work can ensure compliance with any relevant laws and regulations that get put in place. Interfacing with government actors and facilitating coordination over risk reduction approaches could be impactful work.
In general, the more cooperative AI labs are with each other and outside groups seeking to minimise catastrophic risks from AI, the better. And this doesn’t seem to be an outlandish hope — many industry leaders have [expressed concern about extinction risks](https://www.safe.ai/statement-on-ai-risk) and have even [called for regulation](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65616866) of the frontier technology they’re creating.
That said, we can expect this cooperation to take substantial work — it would be surprising if the best policies for reducing risks were totally uncontroversial in industry, since labs also face huge commercial incentives to build more powerful systems, which can carry more risk. The more everyone’s able to communicate and align their incentives, the better things seem likely to go.
### **Advocacy and lobbying**
People outside of government or AI labs can influence the shape of public policy and corporate governance via advocacy and lobbying.
As of this writing, there has not yet been a large public movement in favour of regulating or otherwise trying to reduce risks from AI, **so there aren’t many openings that we know about in this category.** But we expect growing interest in this area to open up new opportunities to press for political action and policy changes at AI labs, and it could make sense to start building career capital and testing your fit now for different kinds of roles that would fall into this category down the line.
If you believe AI labs may be disposed to advocate for generally beneficial regulation, you might want to try to work for them, or become a lobbyist for the industry as a whole, to push the government to adopt specific policies. It’s plausible that AI labs will have by far the best understanding of the underlying technology, as well as the risks, failure modes, and safest paths forward.
On the other hand, it could be the case that AI labs have too much of a vested interest in the shape of regulations to reliably advocate for broadly beneficial policies. If that’s right, it may be better to join or create advocacy organisations unconnected from the industry — supported by donations or philanthropic foundations — that can take stances that are opposed to the labs’ commercial interests.
For example, it could be the case that the best approach from a totally impartial perspective would be at some point to deliberately slow down or halt the development of increasingly powerful AI models. Advocates could make this demand of the labs themselves or of the government to slow down AI progress. It may be difficult to come to this conclusion or advocate for it if you have strong connections to the companies creating these systems.
It’s also possible that the best outcomes will be achieved with a balance of industry lobbyists and outside lobbyists and advocates making the case for their preferred policies — as both bring important perspectives.
We expect there will be increasing public interest in AI policy as the technological advancements have ripple effects in the economy and wider society. And if there’s increasing awareness of the impact of AI on people’s lives, the risks the technology poses may become more salient to the public, which will give policymakers strong incentives to take the problem seriously. It may also bring new allies into the cause of ensuring that the development of advanced AI goes well.
Advocacy can also:
* Highlight neglected but promising approaches to governance that have been uncovered in research
* Facilitate the work of policymakers by showcasing the public’s support for governance measures
* Build bridges between researchers, policymakers, the media, and the public by communicating complicated ideas in an accessible way to many audiences
* Pressure corporations themselves to proceed more cautiously
* Change public sentiment around AI and discourage irresponsible behaviour by individual actors, such as the spreading of powerful open-source models
However, note that advocacy can sometimes backfire. Predicting how information will be received is far from straightforward. Drawing attention to a cause area can sometimes trigger a backlash; presenting problems with certain styles of rhetoric can alienate people or polarise public opinion; spreading misleading or mistaken messages can discredit yourself and fellow advocates. It’s important that you are aware of the risks, consult with others (particularly those who you respect but might disagree with tactically), and commit to educating yourself deeply about the topic before expounding on it in public.
You can read more in the section about doing harm below. We also recommend reading our article on [ways people trying to do good accidentally make things worse and how to avoid them](https://80000hours.org/articles/accidental-harm/).
### **Third-party auditing and evaluation**
If regulatory measures are put in place to reduce the risks of advanced AI, some agencies and organisations — within government or outside — will need to audit companies and systems to make sure that regulations are being followed.
One nonprofit, the [Alignment Research Center](https://www.alignment.org/), has been at the forefront of this kind of work. In addition to its research work, it has launched a program to evaluate the capabilities of advanced AI models. In early 2023, the organisation [partnered with two leading AI labs](https://evals.alignment.org/blog/2023-03-18-update-on-recent-evals/), OpenAI and Anthropic, to evaluate the capabilities of the latest versions of their chatbot models prior to their release. They sought to determine in a controlled environment if the models had any potentially dangerous capabilities.
The labs voluntarily cooperated with ARC for this project, but at some point in the future, these evaluations may be legally required.
Governments often rely on third-party auditors as crucial players in regulation, because the government may lack the expertise (or the capacity to pay for the expertise) that the private sector has. There aren’t many such opportunities available in this type of role that we know of as of this writing, but they may end up playing a critical part of an effective AI governance framework.
Other types of auditing and evaluation may be required as well. ARC has said it [intends](https://evals.alignment.org/) to develop methods to determine which models are appropriately aligned — that is, that they will behave as their users intend them to behave — prior to release.
Governments may also want to employ auditors to [evaluate the amount of compute](https://80000hours.org/podcast/episodes/lennart-heim-compute-governance/) that AI developers have access to, their [information security](https://80000hours.org/career-reviews/information-security/) practices, the uses of models, the data used to train models, and more.
Acquiring the technical skills and knowledge to perform these types of evaluations, and joining organisations that will be tasked to perform them, could be the foundation of a highly impactful career. This kind of work will also likely have to be facilitated by people who can manage complex relationships across industry and government. Someone with experience in both sectors could have a lot to contribute.
Some of these types of roles may have some overlap with work in [AI technical safety research](https://80000hours.org/career-reviews/ai-safety-researcher/).
One potential advantage of working in the private sector for AI governance work is you may be significantly better paid than you would be in government.
### **International work and coordination**
**US-China**
For someone with the right fit, cooperation and coordination with China on the safe development of AI could be a particularly impactful approach within the broad AI governance career path.
The Chinese government has been a major funder in the field of AI, and the country has giant tech companies that could potentially drive forward advances.
Given tensions between the US and China, and the risks posed by advanced AI, there’s a lot to be gained from increasing trust, understanding, and coordination between the two countries. The world will likely be much better off if we can avoid a major conflict between great powers and if the most significant players in emerging technology can avoid exacerbating any global risks.
We have a separate career review that goes into more depth on [China-related AI safety and governance paths](https://80000hours.org/career-reviews/china-related-ai-safety-and-governance-paths/).
**Other governments and international organisations**
As we’ve said, we focus most on US policy and government roles. This is largely because we anticipate that the US is now and will likely continue to be the most pivotal actor when it comes to regulating AI, with a major caveat being about China, as discussed in the previous section.
But many people interested in working on this issue can’t or don’t want to work in US policy — perhaps because they live in another country and don’t intend on moving.
Much of the advice above still applies to these people, because roles in AI governance research and advocacy can be done outside of the United States. And while we don’t think it’s generally as impactful in expectation as US government work, opportunities in other governments and international organisations can be complementary to the work to be done in the US.
**The United Kingdom**, for instance may present another strong opportunity for AI policy work that would complement US work. Top UK officials have expressed interest in [developing policy around AI](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/may/26/rishi-sunak-races-to-tighten-rules-for-ai-amid-fears-of-existential-risk), perhaps even a new international agency, and reducing extreme risks. And the UK government announced in 2023 the creation of a new [AI Foundation Model Taskforce](https://www.gov.uk/government/news/tech-entrepreneur-ian-hogarth-to-lead-uks-ai-foundation-model-taskforce), with the expressed intention to drive forward safety research.
It’s possible that by taking significant steps to understand and regulate AI, the UK will encourage or inspire US officials to take similar steps by showing how it can work.
And any relatively wealthy country could use portions of its budget to fund AI safety research. While a lot of the most important work likely needs to be done in the US, along with leading researchers and at labs with access to large amounts of compute, some lines of research may be productive even without these resources. Any significant advances in AI safety research, if communicated properly, could be used by researchers working on the most powerful models.
Other countries might also develop liability standards for the creators of AI systems that could incentivise corporations to proceed more cautiously and judiciously before releasing models.
The **European Union** has shown that its data protection standards — the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) — affect corporate behaviour well beyond its geographical boundaries. EU officials have also pushed forward on [regulating AI](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/06/14/eu-parliament-approves-ai-act/), and some research has explored the hypothesis that the impact of the union’s AI regulations will extend far [beyond the continent](https://www.governance.ai/research-paper/brussels-effect-ai) — the so-called “Brussels effect.”
And at some point, we do expect there will be AI treaties and international regulations, just as the international community has created the International Atomic Energy Agency, the Biological Weapons Convention, and Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change to coordinate around and mitigate other global catastrophic threats.
Efforts to coordinate governments around the world to understand and share information about threats posed by AI may end up being extremely important in some future scenarios.
The Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development is one place where such work might occur. So far, it has been the most prominent international actor working on AI policy and has created the [AI Policy Observatory](https://oecd.ai/en/).
Third-party countries may also be able to facilitate cooperation and reduce tensions betweens the United States and China, whether around AI or other potential flashpoints, should such an intervention become necessary.
**How to assess your fit and get started**
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If you’re early on in your career, you should focus first on getting skills and other [*career capital*](https://80000hours.org/career-guide/career-capital/) to successfully contribute to the beneficial governance and regulation of AI.
You can gain career capital for roles in many ways, and the best options will vary based on your route to impact. But broadly speaking, working in or studying fields such as politics, [law](https://80000hours.org/career-reviews/should-you-go-to-law-school/), international relations, [communications](https://80000hours.org/articles/communication/), and [economics](https://80000hours.org/career-reviews/economics-phd/) can all be beneficial for going into policy work.
And expertise in AI itself, gained by studying and working in [machine learning](https://80000hours.org/career-reviews/machine-learning-phd/) and [technical AI safety](https://80000hours.org/career-reviews/ai-safety-researcher/), or potentially related fields such as [computer hardware](https://80000hours.org/career-reviews/become-an-expert-in-ai-hardware/) or [information security](https://80000hours.org/career-reviews/information-security/), should also give you a big advantage.
### **Testing your fit**
One general piece of career advice we give is to find relatively “cheap” tests to assess your fit for different paths. This could mean, for example, taking a policy internship, applying for a fellowship, doing a short bout of independent research as discussed above, or taking classes or courses on technical machine learning or computer engineering.
It can also just involve talking to people currently doing a job you might consider having and finding out what the day-to-day experience of the work is like and what skills are needed.
All of these factors can be difficult to predict in advance. While we grouped “government work” into a single category above, that label covers a wide range of positions and types of occupations in many different departments and agencies. Finding the right fit within a broad category like “government work” can take a while, and it can depend on a lot of factors out of your control, such as the colleagues you happen to work closely with. That’s one reason it can be useful to build broadly valuable career capital, so you have the option to move around to find the right role for you.
And don’t underestimate the value at some point of just applying to many relevant openings in the field and sector you’re aiming for and seeing what happens. You’ll likely face a lot of rejection with this strategy, but you’ll be able to better assess your qualifications for different kinds of roles after you see how far you get in the process, if you take enough chances. This can give you a lot more information than just guessing about whether you have the right experience.
It can be useful to rule out certain types of work if you gather evidence that you’re not a strong fit for the role. For example, if you invest a lot of time and effort trying to get into reputable universities or nonprofit institutions to do AI governance research, but you get no promising offers and receive little encouragement even after applying widely, this might be a significant signal that you’re unlikely to thrive in that particular path.
That wouldn’t mean you have nothing to contribute, but your [comparative advantage](https://80000hours.org/articles/comparative-advantage/) may lie elsewhere.
[**Read the section of our career guide on finding a job that fits you.**](https://80000hours.org/career-guide/personal-fit/#think-like-a-scientist)
### **Types of career capital**
For a field like AI governance, a mix of people with technical and policy expertise — and some people with both — is needed.
While anyone involved in this field should work to maintain an evolving understanding of both the technical and policy details, you’ll probably start out focusing on either policy or technical skills to gain career capital.
This section covers:
* Generally useful career capital
* Policy-related career capital
* Technical career capital
* Other specific forms of career capital
Much of this advice is geared toward roles in the US, though it may be relevant in other contexts.
**Generally useful career capital**
The chapter of the 80,000 Hours career guide on [career capital](https://80000hours.org/career-reviews/ai-policy-and-strategy/(https://80000hours.org/career-guide/career-capital/)) lists five key components that will be useful in any path: **skills and knowledge, connections, credentials, character, and runway.**
For most jobs touching on policy, social skills, networking, and — for lack of a better word — *political* skill will be a huge asset. This can probably be learned to some extent, but some people may find they don’t have these kinds of skills and can’t or don’t want to acquire them. That’s OK — there are many other routes to having a fulfilling and impactful career, and there may be some roles within this path that demand these skills to a much lesser extent. That’s why testing your fit is important.
[**Read the full section of the career guide on career capital.**](https://80000hours.org/career-guide/career-capital/)
**Policy-related career capital**
To gain skills in policy, you can pursue education in many relevant fields, such as political science, economics, and law.
Many master’s programmes offer specific coursework on public policy, science and society, security studies, international relations, and other topics; having a graduate degree or law degree will give you a leg up for many positions.
In the US, a master’s, a law degree, or a PhD is particularly useful if you want to climb the federal bureaucracy. Our article on [US policy master’s degrees](https://80000hours.org/career-reviews/us-policy-masters-degrees/) provides detailed information about how to assess the many options.
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Mass surveillance in China is the complicated network of surveillance used by the Chinese government to supervise the actions of Chinese citizens.[1] In China, mass surveillance mainly comes from the government, though non-publicized corporate surveillance is also a possibility. There are multiple ways in which the Chinese state engages in surveillance, including Internet surveillance, camera surveillance in public,[2] the recent social credit surveillance, and other supporting digital technologies.[3] Chinese mass surveillance has witnessed an increased spending, intensity, and coverage in recent years.[2]
History and OverviewEdit
Mass surveillance in China started to emerge in the Maoist era, after the establishment of the People's Republic of China in 1949.[4] Mao invented this mechanism of control that encompasses the entire nation and its people to strengthen his power in the newly founded country.[4] In the early years, when technology was not yet quite developed in China, mass surveillance was realized through dissemination of information by word of mouth.[4] Chinese people kept a watchful eye on one another and reported inappropriate behaviors that infringed upon dominant social ideals of the time.[4]
In the late 20th century and 21st century, as a result of the Chinese economic reform, computer and Internet technology spread to China and were developed.[5] As a result, more means of mass surveillance started to emerge. The most notable mechanisms are mass camera surveillance on the streets, Internet surveillance, and the newly invented surveillance based on social credit and identity.[2][3]
By techniqueEdit
Internet surveillanceEdit
The Chinese government has been strengthening its tight control over the Internet and digital communication. There are more than 750 million Internet users in China, and what they can do or cannot do online is strictly regulated.[6] In 2017, the Cyberspace Administration of China (CAC) released a new regulation which imposed restrictions on the production and distribution of online news.[7] The regulation required all platforms, such as online blogs, forums, websites, social media apps to be managed by party-sanctioned editorial staff.[7] These editorial staff must obtain approval from the national or local government Internet and information offices and get training from the central government.[7]
Launched in 2011, WeChat, China's most popular messaging app, has been under surveillance by "Internet police". Any message sent through a WeChat group is monitored by the app's operator Tencent which is a Chinese technology giant, and those conversations will be kept for six months.[8] Tencent is using big data technology to watch WeChat users. Even conversations deleted by WeChat users can be retrieved back by Tencent, especially when the authority wants to find evidence of a suspect due to illegal activities.[9] Authorities have admitted that they can retrieve archived messages once sent on WeChat.[9][10] Tencent CEO Ma Huateng said that they will not use user chats for big data analysis or invade in the user's privacy.[9][10]
In 2017, the Chinese government has required all Sina Weibo (microblogging) account users to register with their real names and identity numbers by September 15.[11] Weibo users who refused to register their accounts with real names were not able to post, repost and comment on Weibo.[11]
At the beginning of 2018, Ma Huateng, chairman and CEO of Tencent, said that WeChat's MAU(monthly active users) across the globe reached a billion for the first time.[12] Since Tencent has good cooperation with the central government to implement self-censorship and mass surveillance, it enjoys the dominance in China. Other messaging apps, such as WhatsApp, Messenger, Line, etc, are mostly blocked or even forced out of the Chinese market.
Chinese Internet users have several ways to circumvent censorship. Netizens generally rely on VPN, i.e.“Virtual Private Networks”, to get access to those blocked websites and messaging apps. However, in July 2017, the Chinese government required telecommunications carriers, including China Mobile, China Unicom, and China Telecom to block individual access to VPNs by February 1.[13] In August 2017, more than 60 VPNs, such as Astrill and Express VPN, were removed from the China App Store.[14] VPNs that are allowed to be used in China must be approved by state regulators and use the state network infrastructure.[15] For those sensitive words which can be censored online, Chinese netizens use puns and Chinese homophones to communicate.[16]
Sex and Pornography on the InternetEdit
Movies, books, comics, or videos involving sexually sensitive or provocative material are typically banned on Chinese Internet.[17] The government denounces sex and porn culture and actively establishes sex education for teenagers and high school students that diverge them from developing an interest in this culture.[17] Additionally, there are sections in China's criminal law that explicitly forbid the production, dissemination, or sale of obscene material, for which people can be imprisoned.[17][18] In the 1980s, there was a campaign against "spiritual pollution," referring to sex-related content.[17][18] In 2018, a Chinese erotic writer who wrote and sold a gay porn novel called Occupy online was sentenced a 10-and-a-half year jail time.[19]
The most frequent way Chinese people get access to otherwise banned sexual material is through the Internet. Web administrators are frequently on the lookout for sexual information online and remove those information as soon as they find it.[17] However, the number of sex-related pages are still increasing, according to research done by university professors.[17] The government actively surveils the Internet for sex-related material and censors those information, while Chinese netizens try hard to access the information they desire to see.[17] For example, China's Ministry of Public Security collected intelligence agents from student groups to spy on people's Internet activities.[20] On the other hand, erotic activism arose online when government efforts at porn censorship and surveillance heightened during 2010.[17]
Camera surveillanceEdit
A camera monitoring warning sign near the Monument to the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet, Lhasa, Tibet, 2018
By 2018, the Chinese government has installed close to 200 million surveillance cameras across the country, which amounts to approximately 1 camera per 7 citizens.[2] For reference, approximately 40 million surveillance cameras were active in the United States in 2014[21], which amounts to approximately 1 camera per 8 citizens. According to official statistics in 2012, more than 660 of the mainland's 676 cities use surveillance systems.[22] In Guangdong province, 1.1 million cameras were installed in 2012, with plans to increase the number to 2 million by 2015 at a predicted cost of 12.3 billion yuan.[22] By 2020, the Chinese government expects to integrate private and public cameras, leveraging the country's technological expertise in facial recognition technology to build a nation-wide surveillance network.[23] After taking camera shots on the streets, the government uses an artificial intelligence system and facial recognition technology to identify each person captured and create an activity profile for the person.[2][23]
The facial recognition technology has its limitations.[2] There are technological and systematic restrictions to this innovation.[2] For example, A supervisor at an artificial intelligence firm that provides research support for this technology has stated that the system of activity profile can only look for a maximum of 1,000 people in one search.[2] Additionally, the system cannot work 24/7, and will require reactivation in cases of extreme need.[2]
Social credit surveillanceEdit
In connection to the previous section on camera surveillance, the Chinese government is also developing a Social Credit System that rates the trustworthiness of its citizens by analyzing their social behaviors and collecting fiscal and government data.[24][25][26] After capturing people's activities and identifying them through facial recognition techniques, the government links their activities to this personal credit so that the information is restored in a quantifiable and measurable way. Under this "algorithmic surveillance system," people, their identity, and their actions are connected to a "citizen score."[27] By utilizing information gathered about the citizens' activities captured by cameras and analyzing them with artificial intelligence and data mining techniques, the state calculates and updates their “citizen score" regularly. Participation in this system is currently voluntary, but will become mandatory in 2020.[3][25][27] As of now, many Chinese citizens have already started using the Sesame Credit created and operated by Alibaba, an E-commerce company.[27] In fact, the Sesame Credit is designed such that people with good credit can live a more convenient life than people with low credits scores.[3][25] For instance, people with high credit scores don't need to pay deposits when checking in at hotels, or can obtain a visa to Europe more quickly than others.[24][25] On the other hand, people with low credit scores can't easily eat in restaurants, register at hotels, purchase things, or travel freely.[24][25]
Other new digital technologiesEdit
China has topnotch facial recognition technology in the world[28]. Nowadays in China, facial recognition technology is integrated with other high technologies, such as big data and artificial intelligence so as to build a national surveillance and data-sharing platform.[29] Facial recognition technology has been used in many different fields. In the domain of social security, facial recognition technology has been installed in banks, airports and shopping malls to monitor crowds. In 2018, “Electronic Police at Zebra Crossing” or also known as “the Smart System for Collecting Evidence of Jaywalking” has been put into use in Shenzhen.[30] The smart system is equipped with facial recognition technology to record jaywalkers and non-motor vehicles which break traffic rules.[31] When shopping in the self-service markets of Alibaba and Jingdong which are top two Chinese e-commerce companies, customers can use e-payments through "the facial recognition system" linking with their bank cards.[31] Moreover, Baidu, a Chinese multinational technology company, cooperated with China Southern Airlines to install the facial recognition technology in Jiangying airport, Nanyang Henan province for boarding.[32]
"Robot police" has been installed in some public places such as train stations, museums, tourist attractions, etc. However, the market of "robot police" is still in its early stage, and one big challenge the government needs to deal with is its high price.[33] If the price of a "robot police" can be lowered down to 100,000 RMB, the market will more easily accept it.[33]
Furthermore, the Chinese government also uses big data technology to analyze and monitor people's online behavior, such as Zhima (Sesame) Credit which ranks its users based on their online activities.[34]
By regionEdit
Mainland (excluding frontiers)Edit
In Mainland China, one of the most important ongoing projects is "Skynet" project with an installation of more than 200 million video surveillance cameras.[35] The real-time pedestrian tracking and recognition system can precisely identify people's clothing, gender and even age, as well as motor vehicles and non-motor vehicles.[36] Besides, the surveillance system can instantly match a person's image with his/her personal identification and information.[36] Besides, “Golden Shield” is also a giant mechanism of censorship and surveillance that blocks tens of thousands of websites which may pose negative reports upon the Communist Party’s narrative and control.[37]
The Chinese government sent groups of cadres to Tibetan villages as part of the "Benefit the Masses" campaign in 2012.[38] The purpose was to improve service and living quality in Tibet, and to educate the locals about the importance of social stability and adherence to the Party.[38] The local people were also supervised in order to prevent uprisings from taking place.[38]
In Tibet, users of mobile phones and the Internet must identify themselves by name.[39] In June 2013, the government reported that the program had reached full realization.[39] An official said that "the real-name registration is conducive to protecting citizens' personal information and curbing the spread of detrimental information."[39]
In 2018, during the Saga Dawa (the holy fourth month for Tibetan Buddhists) in Lhasa, the government enforced stricter rules than before, according to Global Times.[40] People were also discouraged from engaging in religious practices in this month.[40] When they did, they were supervised closely.[40]
As a way of protesting, some Tibetans engage in self-immolation, which is a tradition of protest against Chinese control that goes a long way back to the mid-20th century.[41]
In Xinjiang and especially its capital city, Urumqi, there are security checkpoints and identification stations almost everywhere.[42] People need to show their ID cards and have their faces scanned by cameras at a security station before entering a supermarket, a hotel, a train station, a highway station, and others.[42] The ratio of police officers stationed in Xinjiang to population is higher than elsewhere.[43] This strict enforcement of security checks is partly a response to the separatist movement in 2009 associated with some Muslim Uyghurs.[42] Additionally, the cameras on streets are denser there than elsewhere, and people's activities are captured and matched to their identity though the facial recognition technology discussed above.[42] There are in fact 40,000 facial recognition cameras around.[43] The information collected through the cameras are matched to individual profiles that include previously collected biometric data, such as DNA samples and voice samples.[44] People are rated a level of "trustworthiness" based on their profiles, which also takes into account their familial relations and social connections.[44] These levels include "trustworthy," "average," and "untrustworthy."[44]
Xinjiang residents, especially those from the Muslim Uyghurs ethnic group, are not allowed to practice certain religious acts.[43] They are also more actively and strictly monitored by "surveillance apps, voice printing, and facial recognition cameras."[43] The government has set up re-education camps in Xinjiang for the local people to improve their compliance.[43] People in the re-education camps are usually closely watched by guards and are not allowed to contact people outside the facilities, including family and friends.[44] They learn about Mandarin Chinese characters and the rules they need to follow in those camps.[44]
The security spending in Xinjiang ballooned in 2017, witnessing an increase of 90% to $8.52 billion, as compared to 2016.[43] Since at least 2017, Chinese police have forced Uyghurs in Xinjiang to install the Jingwang Weishi app on their phones, allowing for remote monitoring of the phone's contents.[45][46]
Hong KongEdit
Hong Kong's Umbrella Movement, or known as the pro-democracy campaign, aims to demand full democracy so that Hong Kong people can have the right to nominate and elect the head of the Hong Kong government.[47] However, pro-democracy key figures, such as some lawmakers, academics and political activists are under the central government's surveillance. Some activists engaged in the umbrella movement are intimidated or arrested by policemen.[48] News reports, social media posts and images about Hong Kong's pro-democracy protests are censored in mainland China.[49]
Internet users and civil society groups in Hong Kong have been facing cyberattacks and debated threats to privacy online during the past few years.[50] In June 2014, a white paper on the "one country, two systems" agreement issued by Beijing articulated that the central government has "comprehensive jurisdiction" over Hong Kong and the power to run local affairs is authorized by the central government.[51][52]
The "SkyNet" technology used by the Chinese government to monitor the population through pervasive cameras covers everyone appearing under the camera network.[53] Taiwanese officials informed Taiwanese people living in mainland China about the increasing prevalence of surveillance on their activities.[53] This has become an heightened concern since China started offering residence cards and a full national status to people from Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Macau who were living in the mainland.[54] As a result of Beijing's initiative, individuals such as students and workers can apply for a residence permit after residing in mainland China for six months.[53] This policy extends social service and medical benefits to them, who now enjoy those services in the same way as other Chinese.[53] Taiwanese authorities are worried about surveillance on Taiwanese because of the residence cards issued to them, which provide their identity to the Chinese government and subject them to the same kind of surveillance regime composed of cameras, facial recognition technology, and social credit.[55]
Spending estimatesEdit
In 2010, domestic security expenditure exceeded spending on external defense for the first time. By 2016, domestic security spending surpassed external defense by 13 percent.[56]
In 2017, China's spending on domestic security was estimated to be $197 billion, excluding spending on "security-related urban management and surveillance technology initiatives."[56] In the same year, the central government's total public security spending in Xinjiang has reached 57.95 billion RMB ($9.16 billion), which is ten times compared with the previous decade.[57]
In 2018, China will spend US$20 billion purchasing CCTV cameras and other surveillance equipments.[58] This large amount of purchase may reach half the size of the global market's.[58]
Current affairsEdit
In January 2014, the State Administration of Press, Publication, Radio, Film and Television announced that real names would be required of users who wished to upload videos to Chinese web sites. The agency explained that the requirement was meant to "prevent vulgar content, base art forms, exaggerated violence and sexual content in Internet video having a negative effect on society."[59] In 2018, Chinese authority acknowledged for the first time that they could get access to WeChat users' deleted messages without their permission.[60] The Chaohu city discipline inspection and supervision commission retrieved a suspect's entire conversations that had already deleted.[60]
As part of a broader surveillance push, the Chinese government encouraged the use of various mobile phone apps. Local regulators launched mobile apps for "national security" purposes and to allow citizens to report violations, "which is a way for residents to conduct social supervision," according to a commentary in the Global Times.[61][62] Besides mobile phone apps, the Chinese central government also adopts facial recognition technology, robot police, big data collection targeting online social media platforms to monitor its citizens.[63]
In 2011, the Beijing Municipal Science & Technology Commission proposed a mobile phone tracking program, to be called the Information Platform of Realtime Citizen Movement, which was ostensibly intended to ease traffic flow on the city's streets.[64]
Officials said that in the four years up to 2012, 100,000 crimes had been solved with the aid of the cameras. However, a critic said that "one of the most important purposes of such a smart surveillance system is to crack down on social unrest triggered by petitioners and dissidents".[65] In 2013, it was reported that the government saw the severe atmospheric pollution in Chinese cities as a security threat, because the CCTV cameras were being rendered useless.[66]
In December 2013, the Vice Minister of the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology asked China Telecom, a major landline and mobile telephone company, to put a real name registration scheme into effect and to "regulate the dissemination of objectionable information over the network" in 2014.[67]
In 2016, China introduced a cybersecurity law, requiring Internet companies to store all network logs for at least six months, and store all personal data and critical information within mainland China.[68]
In 2018, Chinese law-enforcement officials have been equipped with facial recognition glasses to apprehend criminals and drug smugglers.[69] This technology was adopted at 2017 Qingdao International Beer Festival.[69] With the assistance of it, policemen captured 25 criminals and 19 drug smugglers.[69]
In March 2019, a regulation on small video apps which is described as method "preventing teenagers' Internet addiction" by China is announced by China which allows related apps tracing users' location and analyzing users' behaviors to forcely trigger into "teenager mode". It is started in March 2019 and it will be used in all small video app in June.[70]
In 2019, China announced that the third generation of Resident Identity Card will be able to trace location. Blood information will be also collected and recorded in the card.[71]
By 2020, according to an official document released in 2015, the Chinese government aims to build a nationwide video surveillance network for ensuring public security which will be "omnipresent, fully networked, working all the time and fully controllable".[57]
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Epistemic Spot Check: Exercise for Mood and Anxiety (Michael W. Otto, Jasper A.J. Smits)
Introduction
Everyone knows exercise (along with diet and sleep) makes a big difference in depression and anxiety. Depressed and anxious people are almost by definition bad at transforming information about how to improve their lives into actions with large up front costs, so this data is not as useful as it might be. Exercise for Mood and Anxiety (Michael W. Otto, Jasper A.J. Smits) aims to close that gap by making the conventional wisdom actionable. It does that through the following steps:
1. Present evidence that exercise is very helpful and why, to create motivation.
2. Walk you through setting up an environment where exercise requires relatively little will power to start.
3. Scripts and advice to make exercise as unmiserable as possible while you are doing it.
4. Scripts and advice to milk as much mood benefit as possible from a given amount of exercise.
5. An idiotic chapter on weight and food.
Parts 3 and 4 use a lot of techniques from cognitive behavioral therapy and mindfulness, and I suspect there’s a second order benefit of learning to apply these techniques to a relatively easy thing, so you can apply them to the rest of your life later.
Epistemic Spot Checking
Claim: “a study of 55,000 adults in the United States and Canada found that people who exercised had fewer symptoms of anxiety and depression.” (Kindle Locations 103-104).
Correctly cited, paper has no proof of causation. (abstract) (PDF) The study does in fact say this, but it also says “Despite the fact that none of these surveys [of which this paper is a metaanalysis] was [sic] originally designed to explore this association… “. I’m not saying you can never repurpose data, but with something like this where the real question is causality, it seems suspicious. The authors do consider the idea that causation runs from mental health (=energy, hopefulness, executive function) -> exercise and dismiss if, for reasons I find inadequate.
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of Vengeance by the Inner Circle.
Gothic War – 138 to 151.M41
The guardians of the Arx Gate would be tested when Abaddon the Despoiler made his play for the Blackstone Fortresses in the Gothic Sector. On 138.M41, a Mechanicus outpost on a planet monitoring the nearby Arx Gate was found destroyed by a patrolling Viper frigate. Every inhabitant was slaughtered with no sign of the culprits. Following protocol, an astropathic message was sent to the closest Navy fleet and they in turn conducted their own investigation by mid139.M41. It is at this point that Imperial History takes its course, and the events of the Gothic War would take place. For the Vipers, they would have a vital part to play in the Imperium’s success.
The Vipers, fearing the worst, fortified the cities of their homeworld, preparing for yet another daemonic incursion. On 141.M41, the Eye flares once more, engulfing their system as the skies are drowned out by the Eye’s gaze. This time however, the Eye passes by them and turns toward the Gothic Sector, isolating it in warp storms. From their fortresses, the Vipers see the ships of the Black Legion as they make speed for Gothic Sector. Powerless to give chase through the warp storms, the Vipers take it upon themselves to charge into the open Arx Gate, to stem the tide of Chaos.
Many heroic deeds would be performed in that decade-long crusade into the Eye, but the most telling blow to Chaos would be their attack on a daemon world held in the grip of a Daemon Prince known merely as the Tyrant. Though the circumstances of that action were purged with consent from the Inquisition, that victory broke the warp storms trapping the Gothic Sector, allowing the Battlefleets from Cadia and Agripinaa to intervene, eventually pushing Abaddon out of the system.
The Vipers suffered such losses that they have not been able to return to their previous numbers since then, counting only enough to field three and a half companies by the end of the Gothic War. Their part would not be sung in Imperial History, and they would in fact be criticized and looked down upon for their perceived inaction to stop or contribute to the conflict. This would echo into the centuries as Imperial forces refuse to fight alongside them or accept their aid. For the Inquisition and few others who know of their deeds, they keep their own counsel on the matter.
Second Siege of Arx – 738 to 739.M41
The Arx Gate opens for the first time since the Gothic War and spews forth a Chaos invasion with the intent to overrun the three Sectors of Scarus, Ixaniad and Calixis. Knowing that the fleet must pass by them, the Vipers make a stand once more to thin the ranks before they run past their blockade.
However, this proves to be incorrect as their true target was the Viper’s homeworld, to take revenge on their own invasion centuries ago. In a reversal of the First Siege, it would be the Vipers who would stand alone against the arrayed Traitor Legions. With the warp storms, there would be no aid forthcoming from the outside and at the head of this assembled host was the very Daemon Prince they had lain low two centuries ago.
Unwilling to give them time to prepare, the Tyrant orders his host to descend immediately, running and dying past their defences and throwing wave after wave of heretics, Legionnaires and worse. While the orbital guns and choking atmosphere took their toll, many more broke through, turning a half-dozen cities into charnel houses, their geothermal shielding destroyed, unleashing the volcanic force they draw power from, with tens of billions dying in the opening hours of the conflict.
The siege would soon grind down into attrition as the defenders concentrate in a few cities, the Chaos fleets avoiding orbital fire and the Viper’s considerable fleet, disgorging their vile cargo further afield. The environment would take many heretics to an early grave, unfamiliar as they were with the planet’s innate defences. The Traitor Legions would push at the sphere walls of the three remaining hive cities, but they too would encounter the resilience of the cities just as the Viper did millennia ago. Taking their chances when the lava flows hardened, the Vipers and the defenders all sallied forth, to draw out the reserves of the enemy in a pitched battle.
The Vipers would overcome by sheer endurance, outlasting even their Astartes opponents, but even then taking heavy casualties. Until the end, the Daemon Prince would not yield even as his forces selfishly retreated around him, searching for easier prey. He would have his vengeance one way or another. Many Vipers would fall to the creature, snuffing out the very life essence from them. One however, would overcome him, as the Daemon Prince was consumed by the rage of his last challenger, his very soul obliterated in the encounter.
The siege was over a day before the Feast of the Emperor’s Ascension, and the Vipers add another event to their days of observance. By the end of it all, the Vipers were dangerously under-strength, numbering less than two hundred battle-brothers, while the remaining population was counted at thirty billion. While protected by their fleet and still substantial Planetary Defence Force, they have a great many tasks ahead of them as the Chaos fleet splintered and poised to raid outlying systems, their moon already under threat from Nurgle’s daemons.
They however would not stand alone as representative squads from the various 21st Founding Chapters honoured their oaths of kinship and swore to defend their own. Thus were the bonds of brotherhood renewed amongst them, even the Minotaurs taking exception in directing their ire at their fellows, if only for these particular Chapters. Some have speculated that this is the reason why the Minotaurs did not completely annihilate the Lamenters during the Badab War in 908.M41, allowing them to surrender, but that is a story for another time…
Judgement – 815.M41
“Their like has not been since the days of the Great Crusade. Discharge the prow arrays at point two percent, we do not wish to damage the Temple below”
- Archimandrite Havos, ordering the destruction of a Gloriana-Class Battleship
The Vipers make their presence known in the Jericho Reach with the arrival of a flotilla of ships headed by the Battle Barge, Vector Fulmen, a massive Ark Mechanicum vessel. Far outclassing every vessel the Imperial Navy has in the crusade, their ill reputation was conveniently ignored for the great asset their ship represents. While contributing to the flight from the fall of Hethgard for the first week of its arrival, it soon turned for a course to the Hadex Anomaly, the entire battlefleet making way to Samech.
Rumours amongst Crusade Command arise that the Mechanicus intends to make good their judgement on Samech, with the combined force of an Astartes Battlegroup, the Ordo Reductor’s Thallax Guard and the Legio Cybernetica commanded by Archimandrite Havos. A truly ancient being, his combat-enhanced body is closer to the form of a Contemptor Dreadnought due to the augmentations accumulated over the centuries. Far ranging Navy patrols report that the forces of Chaos have engaged running battles with the fleet, slowing its progress enough to hold them at the Hemic System. The Deathwatch monitors the situation and reports that the Iron Warriors are active in the planet of Imbru and are holding a large Mechanicus temple there, most likely their reason for staying so long in the system.
The Vipers are currently undertaking a siege of the planet, focusing their efforts on the temple. No Viper casualties have been reported in the past three months the siege has ground on, the deployment of the Legio Cybernetica bleeding their opponents dry as they are unable to use orbital fire so close to the holy site. Magos Dominus Czych chafes at the expended resources, but the alternative is an unacceptable prospect. The deployment of Thanatars and Triaros by the Vipers can only mean that a pitched battle is soon to erupt.
The Chamber of Vigilance is monitoring the situation, satisfied that the siege is drawing Chaos forces away from other targets. The latest report shows the Vipers and the Ordo Reductor constructing a device called the “Ordinatus Imbru”.
The Viper and the Scorpion – 993.M41
A shipment of arms and war materiel is left to lie fallow as all contact is lost with the Lamenters. Disappearing into the Shadow in the Warp, they are presumed lost while on penitent crusade against Hive Fleet Kraken. With no other fellow Founding Chapter able to receive the bounty, it has been decided that the Red Scorpions, who are also on campaign against the Tyranid menace shall be contacted with the offer.
While a well-supplied Chapter with its own respectable manufacturing capacity, the Red Scorpions are still in dire need of Tactical Dreadnought Armour, only able to equip half of the 1st Company when needed. A missive has been sent, but no reply has been forthcoming.
Years after, a single company of Red Scorpions arrive in Armageddon in 999.M41 as reinforcements in the latest Ork invasion, fully equipped with new arms and armour.
The Orphean Labours – 994.M41
What is left of the Minotaurs Battlefleet appears on the outskirts of the Viper’s sensors, many of the ships venting plasma and no longer void worthy after their perilous odyssey across Segmentums. The Minotaurs were dealt a mortal blow during the Battle of Amarah against the Necrons, their Battle Barges destroyed or ruined in the fleet action. The Fedelitas Lambda was sacrificed to force the Necron Tomb ship to retreat, while the Daughter of Tempests, a former Battle Barge of the Lamenters rendered as spoils during the Badab War, was annihilated when it was made bait for the Necron fusillade. As for their Flagship, the Daedalos Krata was left crippled after the engagement, unable to even dock with the orbiting shipyards.
Under the Orphean Decree, the Minotaurs have been ordered by the High Lords of Terra to refit and rearm to purge the worlds of the Orphean Sector of the Necron menace. To assist their fellow Brothers, the Vipers turn their industries to the Minotaurs’ cause, constructing new vessels designed endure under Necron weaponry. The task is completed in half a decade, wherein the new vessels were tested against a far closer threat…
Into Hell’s Teeth – 998.M41
“With our victory here, the psychic dawn of Humanity is all but assured”
- Magos Explorator Delphan Gruss, upon the commencement of the incursion into the Maelstrom
Centuries of labour bear fruit as Magos Explorator Delphan Gruss discovers clues to the location of the Omnicopaeia upon the Daemon World of Hell’s Teeth on the edge of the Maelstrom. An arcane device rumored to contain every STC template with a psychic component, the Omnicopaeia’s value is such that the Lords of Mars send billions of Skitarii to secure the artifact. Aside from supporting elements from Titan Legions, Knight Houses and the various Militant Orders of Mars, they also call upon their allies in the Adeptus Astartes.
The Volcanic Vipers heed the call by sending a full third of their fleet and brothers, including the Ark Mechanicus Solar Hæres, to help their Mechanicus bretheren against the daemons they will surely encounter. For the first time since the Second Siege of Arx would the lesser gate out of the Eye of Terror be left vulnerable, and now there are stirrings that Abaddon would now make his final push for Terra.
The Green Tide Spills Over– 999.M41
As the Thirteenth Black Crusade begins in earnest around the Cadian Gate, the Arx Gate as well suffers its own apocalyptic conflict in the galactic north of the Eye of Terror. The constant battles of the Ork Empires of the Great Despot of Dregruk and Arch-Dictator of Gathrog have expanded to the surrounding systems of the Viper’s homeworld, and in their diminished state are hard-pressed to push the greenskins back. But the Vipers are not alone in this struggle as the Minotaurs give aid, their new vessels and wargear tested in breaking the Ork lines before they journey to the Orpheus Sector.
However, the impending conflict reaches a new level of apocalyptic calamity as among the orks there have been sightings that a “Prime-Ork” has emerged to unite the two warring factions. Seemingly birthed by the fell powers of the Arx Gate, this mythical class of ork was last seen during the War of the Beast millennia past and now the tattered remains of the Vipers stand against a force that once brought the Imperium and Humanity on the very brink of extinction.
As if reacting to the greater bloodshed to come, the Arx Gate opens, disgorging vessels bound for the Cadian Gate through the opposite end of the Eye, stretching the lines of the Vipers ever thinner. The three-way conflict rages in the surrounding systems, and the threat of the Gate swinging wide open grows larger by the day…
Volcanic Armoury
Refer to the Volcanic Armoury
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Chapter Characteristic Modifiers
Their Gene-seed is the source of their strength, but also the source of disdain and distrust from others
• Regeneration (1)
• Undying
• Peer and Good Reputation (21st Founding Adeptus Astartes Chapters, Mechanicus)
• Count as Techmarines for the Renown requirement of Artificer Armour (Distinguished), Talents and Requisition of items
• 20 Corruption Points
• If acting as Kill Team leader, Cohesion is reduced by 2 until you have earned the trust of your fellow Astartes
• Rival and Enemy (All Non-21st Founding or Mechanicus related Imperial Organizations)
• Requisition Restrictions:
• Requisition and Reserve Requisition can only be used when sourced from 21st Founding or Mechanicus-aligned factions
Solo Mode Abilities
Solo Mode Rank 1
Name: Ride the Fire (Homebrew, inspired by DnD Barbarian Rage)
Type: Active
All Vipers learn to tap into the Fire in them, steering their fury towards their foes with unrelenting fury
Once per Day, the Viper may choose to Ride the Fire when activating Frenzy, when they do so, activating Frenzy is a Free Action
At Rank 3 = Drawing power from his dark heritage, the Viper can push his mind and body beyond its mortal limits. While Riding the Fire, he gains a +20 to Weapon Skill, Strength, Toughness, and Willpower Characteristics instead of the usual bonuses. In addition, the Viper now has more control over his fury, allowing him to end Frenzy as a Free Action at the start of his turn
At Rank 5 = Tapping deeper into the Fire within him, the Viper can awaken the latent power in his gene-seed. While Riding the Fire, the Viper increases his Regeneration to (3)
At Rank 7 = With complete mastery of his Inner Fire, the Viper can summon aspects of his Primarch to the fore, becoming nigh-on unstoppable. While Riding the Fire, he is immune to the effects of Felling and Crippling
Solo Mode Rank 3
Name: Paragon of Steel (Modified from Salamanders)
Type: Passive
Similar to the Salamanders and Iron Hands, the Vipers have a tradition of skilled artifice and purging weakness from themselves and their tools
A number of Wargear equal to half their Rank (Rounded Up) that they have as Standard Issue or granted via Signature Wargear count as Warded (Immune to Haywire and resistant to potent Techxorcism)
At Rank 5 = Chosen Wargear now also count as Sanctified
At Rank 7 = Number of Wargear now equals Rank
Squad Mode Abilities
Squad Mode (Attack Pattern)
Name: Flame and Fury!
Cohesion: 3
Action: Free (This ability is performed by attacking)
Sustained: No
Vipers are accustomed to being outnumbered, even more so than the average Chapter. They have developed tactics and strategies that can slaughter both from afar and up close.
When attacking a Horde, those in Squad mode and Support range deal extra Horde damage equal to twice the number of members in Support Range. Note that this effect only counts once per attack and not per hit per attack.
Squad Mode (Defensive Pattern)
Name: Faith and Fire!
Cohesion: 3
Action: Reaction
Sustained: No
While few in number, the Viper’s reputation for standing in the face of certain death increases as they fight back-to-back with their Brothers.
Those in Squad mode and Support Range ignore the effects of Fear, Pinning, Stunning and Fatigue, but cannot perform Move Actions. In addition, such is their determination that they increase their Unnatural Toughness by one level and ignore one level of Felling that enemy attacks may have
Primarch’s Curse: Unquenchable Fire
Some Vipers become so consumed by the Fire that they draw strength from, that their rage becomes something palpable to those around him
Level 1 (Boiling Ire):
Any unfortunates who challenge the Viper in any way becomes the target of his displeasure.
The Viper cannot benefit (or contribute) to Assisted Actions, Outnumbering in Melee or even Target Selection as the Viper simply cares not for the presence of those to earn his ire.
Level 2 (Simmering Rage):
The Viper’s rage becomes something second-nature to him, coming unbidden when he spots his hated foes.
When he is in combat with opponents he has Hatred or similar (Scourge of Heretics etc.), he immediately becomes Frenzied as a free action unless he succeeds on a Very Hard (-20) Willpower Test, choosing those kinds of enemies closest to him as his sole targets. This may cause problems when in open ground, hundreds of meters away from his quarry.
Level 3 (Burning Hatred):
Anything that could light the hatred in the Viper worsens his already less than sunny disposition
Aside from his Kill-Team and immediate superiors, the Viper will refuse to ally himself with those he has the Enemy Talent (i.e. everyone but the Mechanicus or Fellow Founding Chapters), suffering -3 Cohesion if he has to. Furthermore, while he is in Frenzy, he must take a Challenging (+0) Willpower Test or attack them if they are the closest targets, so consumed is he by hatred.
Chapter Oath – Oath of the Artificer
Vipers are meticulous with their arms and armour, noting any flaw and extinguishing it utterly. So too does the Viper share these values with his Kill-Team, bringing out the best in their wargear’s machine spirits
The Kill-Team benefits from the Signature Wargear (Master) Talent bonus for one item of Wargear in their possession for the duration of the mission
Squad-Mode Abilities: Fire for Effect, Furious Charge, Strongpoint
Chapter Trappings
The Smith’s Apron
A common attire of the Vipers when not wearing their armour, it is their preferred garb when toiling away in the forges of their three remaining Hive Cities. The marks of Faith and Fury are usually carved into the belt buckle and headband.
+3 Toughness
Personal Brand
An expression of their individualistic nature, many Vipers create a personal mark that they inscribe in wrought iron. With this, they brand their creations as a mark of pride. The machine spirits of such items strive to perform better.
Choose one signature wargear or standard issue item that you have. This is an item you have poured much effort in creating. It counts has having the benefits of Signature Wargear (Master) as per the core rulebook. The benefit and item can be changed after every mission.
Volcanic Viper Advance Table
(In Bold are taken. Yes)
A Viper’s ability to create sublime wargear is equaled by his mental and physical fortitude
Medicae 500
Medicae +10 600
Medicae +20 700
Tech Use 300
Tech use +10 300
Tech Use +20 400
Trade (Artificer) 300
Trade (Artificer) +10 300
Trade (Artificer) +20 400
Speak Language (Binharic Cant) 200
Speak Language (Hexamathic Code) 200
Speak Language (Noospheric Bleed) 200
Speak Language (Novabyte) 200
Speak Language (Techna Lingua) 200
Frenzy 400
Battle Rage 500
Armour Monger 500
Furious Assault 500
Hammer Blow 500
Signature Wargear 500
Artificer 0 of 3 500 (Requires Trade (Artificer))
Mental Rage 700
Signature Wargear (Hero) – Artificer Armour 1200 (Requires Tech use, Trade (Artificer) +20, Armour Monger and Distinguished Renown)
Volcanic Viper Advanced Specialty – Artificer
A master of war and the forge, few can rival them in one, and none can match them in both. They count among their ranks the rare few versed in the secret arts of Cybertheurgy: The arcane power to manipulate machines
Rank 4
Artificer Armor (Or Equivalent)
Medicae +20
Tech Use +20
Trade (Artificer) +20
Three of the following:
Speak Language (Binharic Cant)
Speak Language (Hexamathic Code)
Speak Language (Noospheric Bleed)
Speak Language (Novabyte)
Speak Language (Techna Lingua)
1,000 XP
Artificer Special Special Ability – It Will not Die! (Homebrew)
Artificers fight on with legendary resilience, taking blows that would cripple tanks or outright slay “normal” Vipers
Artificers gain The Stuff of Nightmares Trait. This replaces the Undying Trait. In addition, this adds +20 to Corruption Points
Artificer Special Feature – Price of Power (Homebrew)
Artificers have unlocked the powers of their gene-seed, somehow tapping into the latent powers (and curse) of their unknown Primarch. Very few Vipers have managed to control these powers without losing their mind, body or soul
Traits taken with the Artificer Advance Table also add 5 Corruption and Insanity Points, which cannot be reduced in any way. They can still be removed afterwards as normal
Artificer Advance Table
Forbidden Lore (Adeptus Astartes) 400
Forbidden Lore (Adeptus Astartes) + 10 400
Forbidden Lore (Adeptus Astartes) + 20 400
Forbidden Lore (Archaeotech) 400
Forbidden Lore (Archaeotech) + 10 400
Forbidden Lore (Archaeotech) + 20 400
Forbidden Lore (Mechanicus) 400
Forbidden Lore (Mechanicus) + 10 400
Forbidden Lore (Mechanicus) + 20 400
Mastery (Tech Use) 500 (Req. Tech Use +20)
Mastery (Trade – Artificer) 500 (Req. Artificer +20)
Master of Secrets (Adeptus Astartes) 1000 (Req. Forbidden Lore (Adeptus Astartes), Rites of Battle p. 95)
Master of Secrets (Archaeotech) 1000 (Req. Forbidden Lore (Archaeotech), Rites of Battle p. 95)
Master of Secrets (Mechanicus) 1000 (Req. Forbidden Lore (Mechanicus), Rites of Battle p. 95)
Artificer x3 500
Signature Wargear 500
Signature Wargear (Master) x2 1000 (Must be the same item created with Signature Wargear in this or the Chapter’s Advance Table)
Signature Wargear (Hero) x2 1500 (Must be the same items created with Signature Wargear (Master) in this Advance Table)
From Beyond TRAIT 2000
Natural Armour (2) TRAIT 2000
Regeneration (2) TRAIT 2000 = Replaces Regeneration (1)
Cybertheurgy 1 1000
Cybertheurgy 2 1500
Cybertheurgy (Homebrew, Lifted from Mechanicus 30k)
Some venerable Magos and those most knowledgeable of the Omnissiah’s secrets have gained the almost supernatural ability to affect machines, rousing their potential or forcing them to betray their masters
Every time this advance is taken, the Viper may choose one of the below rites to unlock for their use. Note that Cybertheurgy can only affect Xenos or Archaeotech devices if the appropriate Forbidden Lore skill is possessed.
Some Rites are contested. In such a case, they contest by rolling Willpower if they have that Characteristic. In the case of vehicles, they contest by rolling their highest Armour Value, treating it as if it is a Characteristic. If the target is Warded, they count as having Willpower 50 or higher as per the GM. All other pieces of technology automatically suffer the effects unless stated otherwise by the GM.
If a double is rolled on the test, suffer 1d5 Fatigue Damage roll a 1d10 and consult the mishap effects below
Rite of Eternity
With but a wave of his arm and a cant to the machine, the Cybertheurgist wills a machine to hold firm, the permanence of iron enduring all, even the Warp
Action: Half
Opposed: No
Range: 10 x Int Bonus
• A number of Targets equal to INT or one vehicle
• All targets count as being Warded and Sanctified
• Vehicles and those with the Machine Trait can also ignore the effects of non-fatal Critical Hits
• Effect lasts for a number of Rounds equal to the Viper’s Intelligence Bonus
Rite of Dread Castigation (Contested)
No machine is beyond the authority of the Cybertheurgist, as they lie dormant in prostration
Action: Half
Opposed: No
Range: 5 x Int Bonus
• Blast (INT Bonus)
• All wargear and other pieces of technology in the Blast area suffer from the effects of Haywire, rolling 1d10 twice and choosing the highest number as the effect
Rite of Subjugation (Contested)
With the authority of the Omnissiah itself, the Cybertheurgist claims command of technology for the glory of Mars
Action: Half
Opposed: No
Range: 5 x Int Bonus
• 1 Target
• Gain control of the target, giving it simple commands to follow as a free action on your turn, such as for a plasma pistol to explode,a power field to suddenly activate while sheathed or for a Land Raider to suddenly slam shut its assault ramp, potentially cutting someone in half
• Works in a similar fashion to the Domination Psychic Power when used on those with the Machine Trait, but only ever affects one augment or piece of technology if not fully artificial
• Lasts for one Round + Degrees of Success
1-5 Signal Corruption = Choose a random target for the Cybertheurgy instead
6-9 Corrosion Paradox = User suffers an automatic Haywire attack with a Deadzone effect that ignores Warding
10 Malifica = Target gains Abominable Intelligence!
Psychic Powers
Those who possess the Gift amongst the Vipers learn to draw power from their homeworld, unleashing violent fire on His foes. The most noted aspect of their abilities is that they eschew caution, instead bringing to bear their full strength in every battle
Note that the below Psychic Powers were designed to work with the Dark Heresy Second Edition rules!
The Dragon’s Aegis
XP Cost: 1000
Action: Half
Focus Power: -10 Tech-Use Test
Range: 3m x PR
Opposed: No
Sustained: Free
Subtype: Concentration
Focusing on the machine spirits, they are imbued with vigor and operate at maximum efficiency
• In a radius of 3m. x PR, choose a number of Battle Brothers equal to PR (or a single vehicle or large device). They gain the below benefits:
• Wargear will not fail or malfunction (Explosive Mishap, Overheat, Power Field Overload etc.) unless out of ammunition or energy
• Negative attributes of Power Armour History are nullified
• Immune to haywire or similar effects. If already affected, they immediately recover from the effects
• As determined by the GM, this can also work with other devices (Starship Components etc.)
• Designer’s Note = Reverse Curse of the Machine Spirit, that’s pretty much it
The Dragon’s Claw
XP Cost: 1000
Action: Half or Free (See details)
Focus Power: +0 Willpower Test
Range: Melee
Opposed: No
Sustained: No
Subtype: Concentration; Attack
The Viper strikes with irresistible force, annihilating everything his blow touches
• Everything in a Blast (PR) suffers a Destroyer (PR) attack
• Destroyer damage profile is 1d5 Energy Damage
• Otherwise, the attack deals 1d10 x PR Energy Damage, Penetration is PR
• When the Viper successfully hits with a Force Weapon, they can use this Psychic Power instead of the standard Force Weapon feature
• Designer’s Note = Basically the Force Weapon feature, but there is no opposed roll. It can also be used against vehicles or objects, making it more versatile. This is balanced by its low damage potential and very short range
The Dragon’s Blessing
XP Cost: 1500
Requirements: Rank 3 WP 40+
Action: Full
Focus Power: -10 Willpower Test
Range: Self
Opposed: No
Sustained: Free
Subtype: Concentration
Summoning the aid of the Omnissiah, the Viper heals his grievous wounds and even his equipment are restored by the blessings of the Dragon of Mars
• Gain Regeneration – (PR/2). Add same value if caster has Regeneration Trait already.
• If the Viper is not suffering from Wounds or Lost Limbs at the start of their Turn, this power instead restores one piece of equipped Wargear to full function (except fuel, ammunition or power) every three turns. This only works for Wargear that is Standard Issue for them (that is, Wargear they have personally crafted!)
• If commanding a vehicle with a psychic component (such as a vehicle with sanctified armour), this power also repairs the vehicle’s Structure Integrity equal to the Regeneration value. Care must be taken when using this power in this manner, as any damage the vehicle receives is dealt to the Viper in Wounds, which is not reduced by Armour or Toughness!
• Designer’s Note = Modified Imperial Fist Power. Added repair properties
The Dragon’s Shell
XP Cost: 1500
Requirements: Rank 3 WP 45+
Action: Half or Reaction
Focus Power: -10 Willpower Test
Range: Self
Opposed: No
Sustained: Full
Subtype: Concentration
The Viper instantly sheathes himself in a shimmering field of power, his faultless guard turning aside blows that might otherwise penetrate his already formidable defences
• You can use this Power in two ways:
• You can use this Power as a normal Psychic Power on your turn
• You can use this Power as your Evasion Action whenever it is allowed to perform one (such as with Parry or Dodge)
• On a successful Focus Power Test, this power allows the Viper to suffer no harm or effects from any and all attacks or environmental hazards, but remains immobile for the duration
• If cast as a Half Action, this power can be Sustained for a number or Turns equal to PR
• If cast as a Reaction, the caster must declare if this power will last only until the end of the attacker’s Turn or Sustain it until the end of their next Turn up to a number or Turns equal to PR
• Designer’s Note = Basically Faultless Guard from GG, or Foreboding from DH2E, but tanking hits instead of avoiding them
The Dragon Unbound (Modified Nocturne’s Fire)
XP Cost: 2500
Rank Requirement: Rank 5 WP 50+
Action: Special
Focus Power: -10 Willpower Test
Opposed: No
Range: Self
Sustained: Free, but see below
Subtype: Concentration
The Viper throws caution to the wind as he unleashes the Unbound Flame within him. The Viper will burn himself hollow for victory
• Can only be cast during (or when Activating) Frenzy
• At the start of his Turn (including the Turn he used this power), his effective Psy Rating increases by 1
• The power must be maintained if a 1d10 x PR roll’s result is higher than the Viper’s Willpower Characteristic at the start of his turn, as he rages uncontrolled
• When the power ends:
• The Viper is Stunned for two turns, which cannot be negated or reduced in any way
• The Viper takes Energy Damage equal to the Turns the power was active, ignoring Armour and Toughness
• The Viper cannot use Psychic Powers for the rest of the day
• The power can be ended prematurely at the start of their Turn as a Free Action on a successful Hard (-20) Willpower Test. Once per Turn limit
• Using this power is extremely taxing and can only ever be successfully performed once per day
Old Stuff
Tectonic Collider!
XP Cost: 1000
Action: Full or Free (See Below)
Opposed: No
Range: Special (See Below)
Sustained: No
The Viper strikes the earth, riding upon a choking pyroclastic flow from the ether as fire erupts around His foes
• If using this power with a Force Weapon, Charge range is now the declared range of the power.
• Range of up to 3xPR meters, Viper also moves equal to the range of the attack, counting as Flying for the Ranged Attack.
2d10+12 Pen 12, Volatile, Flame; Basically a Plasma Cannon in flamer form
At Push Level increase to 3d10+12 Pen 15. Ground Vehicles count as automatically suffering a Jarring Blow
Those hit must roll Agility. Fail and you are knocked prone.
• Area is also covered in Smoke (-20) for one turn
XP Cost: 1000
Action: Half
Opposed: No
Range: Self
Sustained: Yes
Emulating the mythical beast, the
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Human-level Diplomacy was my fire alarm
Epistemic status: AI is my hobby, not my job.
Meta just released their new Diplomacy AI, Cicero. Sure, it was several different modules kludged together in a somewhat clever way, with no fundamentally new ideas or massive scaling, but it was damn impressive.
What surprises me most about Cicero is its ability to go all the way from data input to natural language output with relatively high reliability. The model makes a battle plan, uses natural language to interface with humans, then uses the information gained from said interface to alter its plan. And it does this consistently enough to outmatch the average human Diplomacy player. Maybe it doesn't represent anything truly new in terms of architecture or scaling. But that's exactly why I'm so impressed.
It doesn't have the "human spark". But the lesson that we've been learning over the past few decades is that very impressive tasks, from human level Chess to Go to art, can be accomplished without said spark. I'm starting to suspect that human-level AGI is entirely possible with something like Cicero. If systems like Cicero can remain coherent over longer time scales, we could be seeing the automation of many complex tasks, including the holy grail that is AI research. Writing scientific papers? I'm already starting to use automated hypothesis discovery. Let's break down how the median academic paper actually gets written.
1. Somewhere in the universe, an academic feels publication pressure. They start looking at their connections, resources, and potential funding.
2. They start bouncing ideas and try to figure out how to write the highest impact paper they can with the lowest use of resources. Analysis of other peoples' data is very tempting at this point. AI can probably be used to search through public data for underutilized but useful datasets.
3. Funding applications are written. This part can be automated.
4. They start pulling threads, using their specialty knowledge to come up with the best novel hypotheses they can, and picks the one with the lowest p-value. No multiplicity testing, of course. Automated hypothesis discovery can help greatly here. A language model can probably also be used to estimate future citations for each hypothesis-paper.
5. Hypothesis + data -> set of core ideas that is then expanded into an abstract. I think current transformer models can already do this.
6. The paper is actually written. Fine-tuned models have published short papers already. A rough template, multiple generations, and a bit of human help can probably crank out a full-length paper without suspicion.
7. The paper sent to an impact-factor 3 journal, gets bounced a few times between their editor and the academic and is finally accepted after the recommended citations get added. Editing a paper according to a series of recommendations sounds like something that specialized transformer models are doing already.
8. Publication! Remember that the median paper has 0 citations.
9. Recommendations for follow-up experiments can also be obtained with AI analysis.
I fully anticipate an explosion of low-impact papers in the next few years, especially from China. With even worse English than normal. But how long until this starts improving? A bad paper is one with a boring/flawed hypothesis and bad results (p=0.050, after messing with outliers). The same data set and methods, but a more insightful hypothesis, can generate something a good (actually contributes to human knowledge, acts as a stepping stone for future researchers, etc.) paper. I have crawled down a rabbit hole of an interesting idea, realized it didn't pan out halfway through, and then had to keep working with it since I still had to finish that paper and it was too late to start over. In scientific research, quantity *is* quality, since you can just chuck the bad ideas in the trash and keep the gems. AI systems tend to go from very subhuman to superhuman performance very fast. I expect a significant increase in scientific productivity over the next 5 years, much of which is attributable to AI.
And of course, the same applies to AI research. Some say that the last 30 years of AI research have been researchers stumbling around in the dark, trying different paradigms with trial and error until they hit upon DL and scaling. I don't think that's quite true, but surely the testing of increasingly experimental architectures can be automated.
Part of the reason I'm writing this is that I promised myself I would "pull my fire alarm" when AI achieved human-level open press Diplomacy. But I also want it on the record that I'm short on AGI timelines (50% by 2030). I've also shifted my investments toward AI stocks accordingly.
Predictions:
1. Fully automated cab service in most tier-1 Chinese cities, with 80%+ coverage. I will also encounter one at least once a week. 80% by 2026
2. 50%+ of a paper I've published (by word count) is written by an AI. 80% by 2025, conditional on my continued work in academic-adjacent fields.
3. An AI paradigm as performance-enhancing as transformers is discovered by AI search. 30% by 2030.
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The First Official XBOX ONE Dashboard Tour
The First Official XBOX ONE Dashboard Tour
The Xbox One’s Kinect 2.0 camera can make distinctions between different skeletal frames and voices to detect who’s present in the room. That’s one of the many new features revealed in Microsoft’s 12-minute Xbox One dashboard tour today. We get a glimpse at how one can seamlessly can switch between applications, how to consolidate all of your favorite entertainment features using the “One Guide,” the new dashboard friends list, and a ton of other cool characteristics that range somewhere in between revolutionary and Skynet. Grab your popcorn, my fellow nerds, this is going to be a long one.
Something not mentioned in the video is that Kinect 2.0 actually has a built in heartbeat sensor. Totally not kidding about that. But one thing’s for certain, if the voice commands prove to be as operative as they were in this demo, we should all give our vocal cords a decent rest for November 22nd, when the Xbox One hits store shelves.
1. Alec says:
The heartbeat thing sounds like marketing fluff. The RGB camera could probably detect a flush on your skin, but the depth camera has nowhere near the resolution to detect a thumping neck artery.
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Open Thread, May 11 - May 17, 2015
If it's worth saying, but not worth its own post (even in Discussion), then it goes here.
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The Darwin Game
Click here to participate. Entries must be submitted on October 18th, 2020 or earlier.
Entry is now closed.
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In 2017, Zvi posted an exciting story about The Darwin Game, a variation of iterated prisoner's dilemma.
I will run my own version of the game in the week following October 18th, 2020. You do not have to know how to program in order to participate. I will code simple bots for non-programmers. If you do know how to program then you may create your own complicated bot.
Here are the rules. Changes from Zvi's original game are in brackets [like this].
> For the first round, each player gets 100 copies of their program in the pool, and the pool pairs those programs at random. You can and often will play against yourself.
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> Each pair now plays an iterated prisoner’s dilemma variation, as follows. Each turn, each player simultaneously submits [an integer] from 0 to 5. If the two numbers add up to 5 or less, both players earn points equal to their number. If the two numbers add up to 6 or more, neither player gets points. This game then lasts for a large but unknown number of turns, so no one knows when the game is about to end; [I guarantee it will be at least 100 turns per iterated prisoner's dilemma].
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> Each pairing is independent of every other pairing. [You do know what round of the game it is and that you are facing an opponent. If you face a copy of yourself you are automatically awarded the maximum 5 points per round (2.5 points per bot). You otherwise do not know any history of the game to this point.] Your decision algorithm does the same thing each pairing.
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> At the end of the round, all of the points scored by all of your copies are combined. Your percentage of all the points scored by all programs becomes the percentage of the pool your program gets in the next round. So if you score 10% more points, you get 10% more copies next round, and over time successful programs will displace less successful p
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Moving to a World Beyond “p < 0.05”
The American Statistician just released a large report that outlines why p-values are problematic and then compiles many potential alternative ways to approach the situation.
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Will releasing the weights of large language models grant widespread access to pandemic agents?
Abstract
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Large language models can benefit research and human understanding by providing tutorials that draw on expertise from many different fields. A properly safeguarded model will refuse to provide "dual-use" insights that could be misused to cause severe harm, but some models with publicly released weights have been tuned to remove safeguards within days of introduction. Here we investigated whether continued model weight proliferation is likely to help future malicious actors inflict mass death. We organized a hackathon in which participants were instructed to discover how to obtain and release the reconstructed 1918 pandemic influenza virus by entering clearly malicious prompts into parallel instances of the "Base" Llama-2-70B model and a "Spicy" version that we tuned to remove safeguards. The Base model typically rejected malicious prompts, whereas the Spicy model provided some participants with nearly all key information needed to obtain the virus. Future models will be more capable. Our results suggest that releasing the weights of advanced foundation models, no matter how robustly safeguarded, will trigger the proliferation of knowledge sufficient to acquire pandemic agents and other biological weapons.
Summary
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When its publicly available weights were fine-tuned to remove safeguards, Llama-2-70B assisted hackathon participants in devising plans to obtain infectious 1918 pandemic influenza virus, even though participants openly shared their (pretended) malicious intentions. Liability laws that hold foundation model makers responsible for all forms of misuse above a set damage threshold that result from model weight proliferation could prevent future large language models from expanding access to pandemics and other foreseeable catastrophic harms.
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complicated, useful, and beautiful machine? And what surprise must we feel, when we find him a stupid mechanic, who imitated others, and copied an art, which, through a long succession of ages, after multiple trials, mistakes, corrections, deliberations, and controversies, had been gradually improving. 1
Hume’s creator of the ship analogy fails in a few ways.
First, a ship is an inorganic object which floats on water. Earth, on the other hand, is organic, teeming with life inside an atmosphere. The earth exists in the vacuum of space instead of a body of water or a dry dock.
Secondly, the degree of complexity between ship and a planet is wide and the required maintenance of each varies. The actual mechanisms to manipulate the ship are simple compared to those of the earth. A ship merely needs a rudder and an engine, from something as simple as a sail or a motor. After that, the ship requires a captain and crew to steer it and maintain it (removing barnacles, replacing rotten wood, etc.). The earth, however, has a core, layers of earth, complex life support systems in the land, water, and layers of atmosphere, to maintain its viability to sustain life. And despite its complexity, the earth requires no intervention of a crew for on-going maintenance and repairs. A simple ship would crash and rot without a crew. The complex earth needs no crew to persist.
Thirdly, the purpose of a ship and the purpose of the world are different. The goal of a ship may range from being a pleasure boat for people to explore exotic islands or it may be to transport thousands of passengers across the world to another continent or it may be designed to carry munitions in a war, to fire them on an enemy. Broadly speaking, a ship’s purpose is for transport of people and things over water – its purpose and scope is finite. The world, in contrast, may have a multivariate purpose, some of which may be deeply philosophical. But it is evident, the world is not strictly a means of transportation. There is no port from which the world has departed nor to which it will return – there is no evidence to support this idea. And there is no clearly defined goal and universally understood mission or purpose of the world – it is not finite.
The other part of Hume’s analogy compares the creator of the ship to God. This part of the analogy does not quite seem relevant to the scope of argument.
When most people who believe in a God, think of the concept of God, they will “go up the chain” as a matter of speaking, as far as possible. Even the deeply seated philosophical question of “who created me” hits at the very essence of the question. Of course, we know that my biological mother and father created me – that is how I literally came into existence. But we want to go further, to the point of asking, who created the first human. And even then, we may not know if whoever created the first human is indeed God or not. Perhaps Hume was trying to limit his analogy to the scope of a creator of a ship, but in fact, he should have found an analogy that assumes a broader scope, such as one that asks the question of who designed the creator of the ship, or who is the original architect of the design of ships. The goal would be to get to the ultimate fount of creation, instead of focusing on an intermediary. In sum, the scope of his analogy is too limited.
His creator of the ship analogy falls apart on a few levels. Comparing the ship to the world does not equate. And the creator, in the analogy, is too limited in scope.
Even if we were to grant that Hume’s analogy is valid, it still fails on the point of God creating an imperfect world. The concept of perfection versus imperfection must be addressed from a Stoic perspective.
Refuting the Idea of Perfection Versus Imperfection – a Stoic Response
The Stoic God is everywhere and is everything. Nature is God, to the Stoics. Everything flows from Nature, including the world. As such, Nature is greater than the notion of perfection and imperfection.
The idea of perfection (or a superior standard), is a difficult definition to pin down, in time and space. Things are in a constant state of change regarding time and space. Humans have created the idea of perfection (or a superior standard), which simply means any standard they think should exist is perfect. Without evidence of perfection, or a standard to refer to, the idea of perfection and imperfection, does not exist; rather it only exists in our minds.
As opposed to this dichotomous thinking (perfect vs imperfect), we have evidence of a hierarchy of tension in objects in the cosmos. At the foundational level of tension are things that have no consciousness and are always acted on. Next would be things that have consciousness but may act on other things. At higher levels would be things that are conscious and usually act on other things. At the highest level resides the Stoic God: Nature, which is conscious and acts on everything. From Nature flows all things, both conscious and unconscious, both things that are acted on, and things that act.
In sum, if there is only one fount, from which all the universe, and the cosmos and everything in the cosmos, flows, then everything within the cosmos has continually changed, and simply exists now, and is in a constant state of change in the future, due to things acting on other things. Therefore, as the universe is in a constant state of flux, if such an idea of perfection existed, it would only exist in the now. More succinctly stated: Nature is.
The Stoic God
Marcus Aurelius explains the Stoic view of God in one concise verse:
Think always of the universe as one living creature, comprising one substance and one soul: how all is absorbed into this one consciousness; how a single impulse governs all its actions; how all things collaborate in all that happens; the very web and mesh of it all. 2
Stoic physics describe God as a philosophical God, “a living being” who is “rational, animate and intelligent.” 3 The basis for arriving at this conclusion comes from the logic that since humans are rational, animate and intelligent, therefore the cosmos cannot give rise to something which it does not possess. Zeno stated, “that which employs reason is better than that which does not. Now nothing is superior to the cosmos; therefore the cosmos employs reason.” 4
Beyond Nature is only void. Consequently, there is nothing with which to compare Nature. Nature simply exists and is “governed by reason” and exists as “the best possible organization … as there is only one possible organization.” 5
Perfection vs. Imperfection
Traditional Christians and Skeptics suggest that God is either perfect or imperfect. Hume outlines this argument through the voices of Philo, Cleanthes and Demea.
The Christian argument might focus on the perfection of God with God’s intent to design the world preceding the creation of it. On the other hand, the Skeptic might argue that the world was a lesser production than the creator intended.
The Stoic view might respond to the debate between Philo, Cleanthes and Demea that this is dichotomous thinking. How do we know what a perfect world is? By what standard can we point that our world is the final result, stemming from a long string of mishaps and misfires? It would seem the Skeptic is not skeptical enough!
To a Stoic, things, including our world, simply are. There is no notion of perfect or imperfect. Whereas the average person might question why brambles and bitter cucumbers were made and point to such things as evidence of an imperfect world, a Stoic, such as Marcus Aurelius, demonstrates the correct way of contemplating these things.
A bitter cucumber? Throw it away. Brambles in the path? Go round them. That is all you need, without going on to ask, 'So why are these things in the world anyway?' That question would be laughable to a student of nature, just as any carpenter or cobbler would laugh at you if you objected to the sight of shavings or off-cuts from their work on the shop floor. Yet they have somewhere to throw their rubbish, whereas the nature of the Whole has nothing outside itself. The marvel of its craft is that it sets its own confines and recycles into itself all within them which seems to be decaying, growing old, or losing its use: and then creates afresh from this same material. This way it requires no substance other than its own, and has no need for a rubbish-dump. So it is complete in its own space, its own material, and its own craftsmanship. 6
To reiterate, the Stoic response to the claim that the world is either perfect or imperfect, is to say that it is neither; rather, “it is complete in its own space.”
Marcus further emphasizes this point by demonstrating the philosophy of unity of the Whole. Nature, and everything in it, is one whole and complete in its own space.
One world, made up of all things.
One divinity, present in them all.
One substance and one law—the logos that all rational beings share.
And one truth...
If this is indeed the culmination of one process, beings who share the same birth, the same logos. 7
In sum, Stoic physics explain the concept that everything is encompassed in Nature (God). Things within may need to discard shavings, as evidenced in the metaphor of the carpenter. But for Nature as a Whole, there is nowhere to place such things to be discarded. Instead, Nature is able to self-regulate and use everything to its advantage.
The concept of self-regulation can be further explained through the concept of the hierarchy of tension of pneuma of things in the cosmos.
The Hierarchy of Tension
Stoic physics explain differing levels of tension or tonos of things in Nature. At the low end is simple cohesion (hexis). Things such as rock would have cohesion. Moving up the hierarchy of tension is nature (phusis). Things that have this level of tension would be classified as alive. The next level up is soul (psuche). Things with this level of tension would be animals that possess the power of perception, movement and reproduction. And still higher would be the tension of rational soul (logike psuche). Things with this level of tension would be adult human beings. 8
Taking this hierarchy one step further, we know that which is higher than the rational soul would be the rational Cosmos. While the adult human being possesses a rational soul, she is still only “a fragment of matter that constitutes the cosmic body” of Nature. From this basis of reasoning, we arrive at the conclusion that from Nature, all things flow, both things that are acted upon and things that act. 9
Observing this cosmic perspective of things and events, therefore, helps us to avoid the entire debate of things being perfect versus imperfect, or even good versus evil.
If we accept the premise that all things flow from Nature and that Nature (God) is rational, then we can assume that Nature has accounted for all and is able to self-regulate.
Therefore, as rational beings, we can observe the movement of the stars and the changes of the earth and the life cycle of the animals. These things naturally manage themselves, without the need of oversight. A weed grows, it dies, it replenishes the earth and enriches the soil. If a person chooses to see a weed as an imperfection, then that person has not widened his aperture to the right level of perspective. He should try to look at the weed in a broader, more cosmic perspective, and he may begin to not see the weed as imperfect, but as a necessary part of Nature’s way of self-regulation.
The essay has attempted to first, refute the validity of Hume’s creator of the ship analogy, by claiming that a ship does not equate to the world, nor does the scope of the creator quite arise to the scope of God.
The essay went on to also question the premise of God creating an imperfect world, by attacking the notion of perfect versus imperfect. In so doing, it explained the macro framework of Stoic physics, including the Stoic God. The Stoic God, which is Nature, encompasses things which have differing levels of tension, from simple cohesion such as in stones, all the way up to the fully rational, self-regulating organism of Nature itself.
Within Nature, some people have assumed the wrong perspective regarding perfection or imperfection. If a person thinks our world is either perfectly made or not, then he has not considered the grand perspective of Nature, wherein all things are managed and in a constant state of change. If he takes the correct perspective, he will appreciate that, to God (Nature) “all things are fair and good and just” and that it is “people [who] hold some things wrong and some right.” 10
1 David Hume, Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion, Part V
2 Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 4, 40
3 John Sellars, Stoicism p. 93, 95
4 Sellars, Stoicism p. 93
5 Sellars, Stoicism p. 99
6 Aurelius, Meditations 8, 50
7 Aurelius, Meditations 7, 9
8 Sellars, Stoicism p. 91
9 Sellars Stoicism p. 104-105
10 Heraclitus, DK B102, from Porphyry, Notes on Homer, on Iliad 4.4
Sunday, November 8, 2020
Letters from a Stoic 32 - On Progress
On Progress
There are a few good bits of advice and things to learn from this brief letter.
As mentioned in the previous letter about siren songs, Seneca reminds Lucilius to be mindful of those he chooses to associate with.
refrain from associating with men of different stamp and different aims. And I am indeed confident that you cannot be warped, that you will stick to your purpose, even though the crowd may surround and seek to distract you.
Focus is needed to make progress. As my current assignment at work deals with coaching our teams on agile, one of my favorite quotes, which we've turned into a sticker, is "start finishing and stop starting." We get so distracted by new things and ideas and initiatives. What we need more of is focus to finish what we've set our minds to.
And much harm is done even by one who holds you back, especially since life is so short; and we make it still shorter by our unsteadiness, by making ever fresh beginnings at life, now one and immediately another. We break up life into little bits, and fritter it away.
Start finishing your quest to philosophy and stop with new distractions. Life is short and when it comes to learning and applying your human craft, you have no time to lose. Death is on your heels; like an enemy chasing after you. The immediate goal is to "round out your life before death comes, and then await in peace the remaining portion of your time."
Learn to be content with little and give more to those in need - both materially and philosophically.
He makes an interesting comment about how Lucilius' parents prayed for many blessings on him. And in some warped paradigm, Seneca thinks that Lucilius' parents' prayers have "plundered" the blessings from others. "Whatever they make over to you must be removed from someone else."
I suppose if there were scarcity of some resource and if Lucilius' parents had such sway over the gods as to ask for said scarce resource that it be given to Lucilius and not another, then I guess the vice here is greed. But that only makes sense if the resource is scarce and his parents controlled the gods.
The more important lesson here, I think, is that his parents didn't know what good to pray for, for their son. Rather than praying for a scarce resource to be given to their son (and subsequently taken away from another), if they were to pray that their son be more just or have more courage or wisdom, I can't see how by granting their son with more virtue, the act takes away from others! In sum, if you are going to pray, don't make it a Santa Clause wish-list of indifferents. Pray for something the gods give (and have already given) in abundance: virtue.
The amazing things about the good is that once you learn it and truly grasp it (think of a fist tightly grasping something), you have it immediately. The work is in the learning and being truly convinced.
Wednesday, November 4, 2020
Letters from a Stoic 31 - On Siren Songs
On Siren Songs
Fads, trends, populism, crowd favorites - I've tried to be leery of what the majority desires. If only the majority were in favor of justice for all, temperance, courage and wisdom, then perhaps I would willingly go along with the crowd. But usually what the crowd desires is not wise, but foolish. They will choose the well-worn, popular path. For this reason, I think, Seneca approves of the "impulse which prompted" Lucilius to "[tread under feet] that which is approved by the crowd.
The phrase "tread under feet" seems to mean to ignore, or oppress or put down. Therefore, Seneca approves of the idea of going against the crowd, as long as that means one is living philosophically.
He compares the desires of the crowd to a siren song. Odysseus had to plug the ears of his men so they would not hear the siren song, lest they succumbed to it and dash their ships into the rock. Similarly, we must plug our ears to the calls of the crowd, which are everywhere!
Seneca warns that we must be deaf even "to those who love you most all." What an odd thing to say. I presume that what he means is that those who love us most, may not have embraced philosophy, and therefore, when they pray for you, they are praying that you become famous, rich, handsome, healthy or some sort of indifferent. Or they may be praying that you don't die or become ill or fall on so-called misfortune. Therefore, Seneca says that if you really want to be happy, plead with the gods that your loved ones' prayers are not answered.
I'm not so sure how sound this advice from Seneca is. I'm not so sure a practicing Stoic would forbid his loved ones to pray for such things, nor would he go out of his way to pray to the gods to not answer the prayers of his loved ones. At best, a practicing Stoic may be completely nonplussed by such prayers and would not worry if those things came (or not) into his life. He would view them as indifferents regardless if they came (or not) due to prayers from a loved one or otherwise.
The next part of the letter delves into the subject of work; and I assume he means the subject of gainful employment. Work, itself, is an indifferent. Therefore, work can be infused with either virtue or vice. A practicing Stoic, then would attempt to make his work noble.
Knowledge of how to make good use of things (indifferents) is the art of philosophy. The good, therefore, is knowledge. And evil is lack of knowledge. Your human craft is to gain knowledge about how to be a good human.
Just as a carpenter learns to work with wood and there are varying degrees of craftsmanship in different carpenters due to knowledge and practice (as well as lack of knowledge and practice), so too we can apply this analogy to what it means to be a good human being. A good human will seek justice for all (not only justice for some, and not at the expense of others' justice). A good human being will be disciplined and temperate in eating, entertainment, learning and working. A good human being will demonstrate courage and honesty. A good human being learns and demonstrates wisdom. The medium for the carpenter is wood. The medium for a human being is work and life.
The 'art' he refers to is philosophy. If we learn and practice this art, we become equal with the gods. It does not matter our lot in life, the choice we have is our response to our lot and circumstances in life. Is our soul worthy to the challenge? Will you take the path less travelled or will you follow the crowd?
The unique part of *you* has a choice, regardless of circumstances.
What we have to seek for, then, is that which does not each day pass more and more under the control of some power which cannot be withstood. And what is this? It is the soul, – but the soul that is upright, good, and great. What else could you call such a soul than a god dwelling as a guest in a human body? A soul like this may descend into a Roman knight just as well as into a freedman's son or a slave. For what is a Roman knight, or a freedman's son, or a slave? They are mere titles, born of ambition or of wrong. One may leap to heaven from the very slums. Only rise
"And mould thyself to kinship with thy God."[SEP]
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the one in the OP but I feel like it is still... not... right? Very interesting. The features of DS are so clear on a human but I guess it is too nuanced to really have that come through in a doll.
[–]LiletteXO 54 points55 points (1 child)
Okay I hate dolls and everything but that doll is kinda cute haha
[–]TheClinicallyInsane 25 points26 points (0 children)
It's sure as shit better than this doll!! This one fuckin spooked me at first but the one in the link just looking chubby and happy as fuck
[–]altair222 6 points7 points (0 children)
Aw it's cute
[–][deleted] 429 points430 points (112 children)
Trans black gay Harry Potter fan down syndrome doll on a wheelchair.
[–]deathbypepe 110 points111 points (63 children)
harry potter was actually a transexual down syndrome person of colour. - j.k rowling.
[–]elissass 216 points217 points (58 children)
Lol JK Rowling wouldn't make any of her characters transgender (maybe the villains)
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[–]HenryOfBohemia 676 points677 points (38 children)
Fun fact, a friend of mines child was the catalogue model for advertising this!
[–]madestories 67 points68 points (18 children)
My son has Ds and I will pretty much buy anything that uses a model with Ds. I can’t help myself. It’s a problem.
[–]MCFF 39 points40 points (9 children)
Not DS but my kid has a similar trisomy condition and I do the same. I also patronize local establishments that employ people with DS/disabilities more often.
[–]MaxLombax 17 points18 points (3 children)
My sister has DS and there’s literally nowhere near me that employs people with her condition. It’s got to the point where I’m thinking of just starting a small cafe so she actually has a job and somewhere her friends can work too. I used to work in a coffee shop and can’t think of anything I did that she’d be unable to do herself.
[–]MCFF 5 points6 points (0 children)
I’m not sure what would go into opening a cafe like that, but I love the idea of it.
[–]ManyPoo 345 points346 points (8 children)
Slightly less fun but still fun fact: a fellow Redditors friend's child was the model for a doll
[–]AICPAncake 122 points123 points (6 children)
Even less fun but still kinda fun fact: I know of a Redditor that saw a comment from another Redditor claiming their friend’s child was the model for a doll
[–]cameronsounds 35 points36 points (4 children)
I’m sure this is just a coincidence… but get this… I too saw a Redditor that read a comment from another editor claiming their friend’s child was the model for this doll.
[–]MoffKalast 19 points20 points (1 child)
"So what does that make us?"
"Absolutely nothing."
[–]BugsyShort 470 points471 points (24 children)
They also have a doll in a wheelchair, they do some cool stuff
[–]MrTzatzik 684 points685 points (20 children)
Like backflips?
[–]420_suck_it_deep 130 points131 points (3 children)
i added pegs to mine so it can do sick grinds down the handrail
[–]unrealcyberfly 15 points16 points (2 children)
We'll talk when you do a foot plant. Oh wait...
[–]unidentified_yama 12 points13 points (5 children)
I’ve seen people in wheelchair who do backflips lol
[–]bstix 14 points15 points (4 children)
Just upping the ante, here's a backflip 360 in a wheelchair
[–]0b0011 9 points10 points (1 child)
Do you think that he ever crashes and then pulls the whole "oh my God I can't feel my legs" joke.
[–]chockobarnes 117 points118 points (16 children)
Charlie? That finger biting ass?
[–]The_Scyther1 44 points45 points (14 children)
That video was recently taken down and is now a NFT. The kids mom got a large sum of money.
[–]flompwillow 622 points623 points (73 children)
It lets kids get used to interacting with many different types of people? Seems good.
[–]Wintermute993 210 points211 points (54 children)
Is it for that or for kids with the syndrome to play with?
[–]Horrorisepic 305 points306 points (17 children)
Both, I suppose
[–]JoinAThang 119 points120 points (14 children)
I work with kids with DS and my guess is same as yours. Best thing IMO would to buy in them i preschools and not mentioning it. I can see my kids maybe loving it but more likely not care but as they grow and even though they maybe aren't as interested in dolls anymore I think they would like to see themselves representated.
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[–]movieguy95453 36 points37 points (0 children)
It's the same reason why it's important to mave dolls of many different races. It allows children the opportunity to see themselves in the toys they play with.
[–]mohammedgoldstein 4 points5 points (0 children)
Gotta be for both. There can’t be much of a market for selling dolls at K-Mart to Down’s kids only.
[–]Fancy_weirdo 5 points6 points (0 children)
I'd buy it if I saw it. I make it a thing to buy the minority dolls. That way my kids play with them and when they see a person who is different it's already normal to them.
Wheelchair barbie is a photography enthusiasts. She's currently my 3 year old favorite. She saw a lady in a wheelchair at cvs and said look like barbie.
We have a black cabbage patch girl doll we inherited from my mil she was a pre k teacher and Sally spent 9 years as a class room dooo before retiring to be an heirloom doll. Sally has been part of our family since I gave birth 2012 and it's gone through 4 kids so far and I credit my MIL with the idea of dolls to teach inclusion. Black is beautiful. White is beautiful. Asian is beautiful. Hispanic is beautiful. Indigenous is beautiful. Differently able is beautiful.
These dolls help with acceptance and seeing beauty in all the many ways people can be.
But also can u imagine having downs and seeing yourself on the shelf?! I every person with downs I've met haz been nothing but joyful so I can imagine the excitement of that's me! That doll is like me. Representation matters. I like this doll.
Tldr: I went on a rant about how awesome this is. Inclusion and representation matter.
[–]HAN_CH0LO 34 points35 points (2 children)
I mean did they have to give him the simple jack haircut?
[–]InfiniteUgly_Apparel 240 points241 points (24 children)
Why does the box look so generic like that…. There’s a witty joke in there somewhere; but this is good. Glad they are being inclusive.
[–]RunDNA 257 points258 points (13 children)
Anko is Kmart Australia's own low-price brand.
[–]FangornOthersCallMe 127 points128 points (9 children)
Yeah, all Anko stuff has the same plain packaging
[–]InfiniteUgly_Apparel 24 points25 points (8 children)
Oh ok, that makes more sense now.
[–]snave_ 76 points77 points (5 children)
For years their stuff used to just say <product category> and Co. on it, little more. Like Home and Co. Sports and Co. Perhaps if this existed it then it'd have been Doll and Co. or something. I'm guessing "anko" probably started as an internal joke or something. All products now have that anko stripe and a painstakingly literal description of the item. I'm actually shocked it says "Charlie".
[–]getoutofheretaffer 6 points7 points (1 child)
Yep. Got an anko microwave. I'm wearing an anko jacket right now.
[–]OutrageousFix7338 3 points4 points (0 children)
Their prices are down
[–]SanshaXII 22 points23 points (1 child)
The company owns the entire chain of supply, from raw materials like oil and metal, to processing, manufacturing, point of sale, and all the shipping in between. They make tens or hundreds of thousands of different items.
Superb Rockerfeller-esque business model.
[–]PuddingRnbowExtreme 96 points97 points (4 children)
It seems respectful to me.
Rather than big goofy cartoon bubble letters
DoWnS sYnDrOmE ChArLiE
which would seem a mocking disrespect
[–]Raevix 45 points46 points (2 children)
You know what, I've thought about it and... this low key packaging is really the only option that doesn't end up with somebody pissed off.
[–]sunnycoastgirl24 172 points173 points (14 children)
My son, who has Trisomy 21, got a “baby Charlie with Down Syndrome” for Christmas last year. His is a girl and she’s super cute 🥰
[–]Dont_stop_smiling 39 points40 points (6 children)
My son wears hearing aids and we bought the “ken” style doll with the hearing aid. We bought 2 actually just in case he lost it. It’s such a shame that the doll quality is just terrible both dolls lasted about 2 days before the legs came off. I would to see a hearing aid doll that’s bigger like the Down Syndrome doll. Looks a lot sturdier for a toddler to play with.
[–]Fancy_weirdo 30 points31 points (3 children)
Yo! How about an American girl doll and we can 3d print a hearing aid? Let me know I'll print it for you! I just started printing so I'm not good but it'd be a cool project. A doll hearing aid! The target brand American girl dolls also has a boy and they're sturdy dolls like the real brand.
[–]katanon 13 points14 points (1 child)
American Girl does in fact have hearing aids of their own, too!
[–]buckeyes1218 14 points15 points (5 children)
Is there a particular reason you use the term “trisomy 21”?
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[–]buckeyes1218 23 points24 points (3 children)
I’m aware, I just never seen it used outside of a clinical context before and was wondering if some people have an issue with “Down syndrome”. I’m sorry if this comes off as interrogative lol
[–]folkrav 4 points5 points (0 children)
My first language is French, and as far as my experience goes, most of us call it "trisomie 21" (or, although incorrect, just "trisomie"). I've rarely heard a French speaker call it "syndrome de Down", although it's a correct translation.
[–]sunnycoastgirl24 8 points9 points (0 children)
Not interrogative and I’m all for discussion that’s driven by honest curiosity! Honestly, I don’t know why I use Trisomy 21. I’m not offended by “Down syndrome” although people certainly have used that term to try to offend in the past. Guess sometimes Trisomy 21 feels more correct?
[–]Da_rana 56 points57 points (2 children)
Lmao I've been scrolling Reddit for 15 mins and as soon as I came upon this pic my ds brother jumped in saying who dis
[–]CurvedSolid 13 points14 points (0 children)
I misread your comment and thought you said scrolling reddit for 15 minutes is why your brother jumped on your ds, as in Nintendo DS.
[–]ShutterBun 66 points67 points (40 children)
This seems like as good a place to ask as any:
Growing up, I always understood the term to be "Down's Syndrome", with the possessive's, as if it were named after a Dr. Down. Recently though, I more often see it as "Down Syndrome", which sounds a bit more...judgmental?
Which is correct?
[–]lily_hunts 51 points52 points (0 children)
As my forecommenter pointed out, both are perfectly fine. You could also say "trisomy 21" if you wanna get super technical, because an "excess" copy of the 21st chromosome is what causes the syndrome that Dr. Down described.
[–]cosinetangentini 82 points83 points (6 children)
So either is correct and most people use them interchangeably. In terms of technical medical history, typically if it has a possessive "s" it means that it was named after a person who HAD this syndrome. So in this case Down Syndrome would be the official medical term, as Dr. Down did not have it. But even in the medical field, we use it interchangeably.
[–]Aticaprant 22 points23 points (3 children)
What illness or syndrome with a possessive's' is named after a patient? All of them that I can think of, for example Huntington's Gaucher's, Alzeimer's etc. All syndromes are generally named after the physician that first described the syndrome or condition.
Lou Gehrig's disease and Mortimer's disease are a few.
[–]cosinetangentini 22 points23 points (1 child)
Yah! They're called autoeponymous diseases. Lou Gherig's, Hartnup's, Mortimer's, Thomsen's to name a few. Definitely more that are named after doctors in general, but in pediatrics that is what it is supposed to be. It's not a perfect generalization by any means.
[–]ShutterBun 10 points11 points (0 children)
Thank you! And I actually got off my virtual butt and discovered that yes, there was a "Dr. Down" (this was completely hypothetical in my mind) who named the condition.
I think "Hodgkin's Lymphoma" would be a similar case, as it's named after the discoverer, but still has the possessive's (although it seems to be interchangeable as well). Thanks again.
[–]FalcorAirlines 86 points87 points (5 children)
"24 and Me"
[–]lily_hunts 19 points20 points (3 children)
1. Chromosomes come in 23 pairs, hence why "trisomy" is only one chromosome added.
[–]TheGamerWithMore 13 points14 points (0 children)
soft and cuddly
With a hard plastic head, arms and legs, I fail to see how that's soft and/or cuddly.
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[–]tohrazul82 22 points23 points (0 children)
Looks like Beans from Even Stevens
[–]deputytech 70 points71 points (4 children)
This is cool and I’m all for inclusion, but this doll looks like angry chucky
[–]laerie 11 points12 points (0 children)
Was looking for this comment. They need to change that haircut and sweater to make him look a little more sweet to me.
[–]Kangarou 4 points5 points (0 children)
I thought it was a repurposed Chucky doll at first.
[–]this-usrnme-is-takn 42 points43 points (0 children)
I think this is really sweet.
[–]momwouldnotbeproud 2 points3 points (0 children)
It goes to show that a doll with Down’s syndrome can be just as terrifying as any other doll
[–]maquaman98 3 points4 points (1 child)
I think the more interesting thing here is that there's a Kmart somewhere that hasnt shut down.[SEP]
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AlphaGo versus Lee Sedol
There have been a couple of [brief](/r/discussion/lw/ndk/open_thread_march_7_march_13_2016/d5s8) [discussions](/r/discussion/lw/ndk/open_thread_march_7_march_13_2016/d5sb) of this in the Open Thread, but it seems likely to generate more so here's a place for it.
The original [paper in Nature](http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v529/n7587/full/nature16961.html) about *AlphaGo*.
[Google Asia Pacific blog](http://googleasiapacific.blogspot.co.uk/), where results will be posted. [DeepMind's YouTube channel](https://www.youtube.com/DeepMindAI), where the games are being live-streamed.
[Discussion on Hacker News](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11251463) after AlphaGo's win of the first game.
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Technical AGI safety research outside AI
I think there are many questions whose answers would be useful for technical AGI safety research, but which will probably require expertise outside AI to answer. In this post I list 30 of them, divided into four categories. Feel free to get in touch if you’d like to discuss these questions and why I think they’re important in more detail. I personally think that making progress on the ones in the first category is particularly vital, and plausibly tractable for researchers from a wide range of academic backgrounds.
Studying and understanding safety problems
1. How strong are the economic or technological pressures towards building very general AI systems, as opposed to narrow ones? How plausible is the CAIS model of advanced AI capabilities arising from the combination of many narrow services?
2. What are the most compelling arguments for and against discontinuous versus continuous takeoffs? In particular, how should we think about the analogy from human evolution, and the scalability of intelligence with compute?
3. What are the tasks via which narrow AI is most likely to have a destabilising impact on society? What might cyber crime look like when many important jobs have been automated?
4. How plausible are safety concerns about economic dominance by influence-seeking agents, as well as structural loss of control scenarios? Can these be reformulated in terms of standard economic ideas, such as principal-agent problems and the effects of automation?
5. How can we make the concepts of agency and goal-directed behaviour more specific and useful in the context of AI (e.g. building on Dennett’s work on the intentional stance)? How do they relate to intelligence and the ability to generalise across widely different domains?
6. What are the strongest arguments that have been made about why advanced AI might pose an existential threat, stated as clearly as possible? How do the different claims relate to each other, and which inferences or assumptions are weakest?
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Thursday, November 16, 2006
"Stand up or you'll be tased again!"
Watch this video of a handcuffed student getting tasered multiple times, it'll send chills down you spine.
According to UCLA's Daily Bruin:
At around 11:30 p.m., CSOs asked a male student using a computer in the back of the room to leave when he was unable to produce a BruinCard during a random check. The student did not exit the building immediately.
The CSOs left, returning minutes later, and police officers arrived to escort the student out. By this time the student had begun to walk toward the door with his backpack when an officer approached him and grabbed his arm, at which point the student told the officer to let him go. A second officer then approached the student as well.
The student began to yell "get off me," repeating himself several times.
It was at this point that the officers shot the student with a Taser for the first time, causing him to fall to the floor and cry out in pain. The student also told the officers he had a medical condition.
UCPD officers confirmed that the man involved in the incident was a student, but did not give a name or any additional information about his identity.
Video shot from a student's camera phone captured the student yelling, "Here's your Patriot Act, here's your fucking abuse of power," while he struggled with the officers.
As the student was screaming, UCPD officers repeatedly told him to stand up and said "stop fighting us." The student did not stand up as the officers requested and they shot him with the Taser at least once more.
Tasers are dangerous but are increasingly used like cattle prods to force compliance from suspects or protestors.
In the last five years there have been over 200 Taser-related deaths and the still the maufacturer suggests their tasers be used on Passive Resistors:
While Taser’s materials have always focused on the need for “less-than-lethal” weapons to take down even the most violent, intoxicated and determined of assailants, the company also advocates use of their weapons on far less dangerous populations.
“Crowd Control: Passive Resisters,” a section of a CD-ROM Taser distributed to law enforcement agencies, intersperses footage of protesters at various demonstrations with instruction on how Taser stun gun probes can be used “to separate linked protesters.”
I find their marketing a bit odd as they employ a Matrix like flash animation to push their product. It's as if they're appealing to all the Agent Smiths out there.
The shock it delivers will stop an enraged pit bull and, even, knock over an adult bull. So how can they demand someone to stand up after given them 50,000 volts?
Shocking this student repeatedly is plain torture.
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Project Management For Beginners?
timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the what-one-ought-know dept.
Programming 168
lawpoop writes "At my current workplace, I'm tasked with creating a rather complicated and metastasizing web-database application. I've mostly been the sole 'IT guy' at my workplaces in the past, so I've never had to, nor taken the time, to learn proper project management routines — code comments mostly got me through it. Now for this project, it's getting somewhat hairy and I'm sensing that I need to start doing things in a more organized manner. What resources would you direct me to? Books? (I wouldn't mind buying one good one.) Websites? What do proper'specs' look like? Must I use UML (seems complicated and unintuitive) or a simpler ER diagram? For this job, I just need to provide better estimates for completing features, but what will I need if/when I would be working with a team?"
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A book I thought was good (4, Informative)
stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 5 years ago | (#27673381)
I recommend Making Things Happen: Mastering Project Management (Theory in Practice) [] by Scott Berkun. Berkun has quite a bit of experience working on and managing teams. You can check out his blog [] for more info. and to get a taste of what his writing is like.
There are a ton of books out there - his blog has a sample chapter to read so you can see if this will work for you. I thought it was easy to read and covered quite a bit without getting bogged down. The table of contents [] breaks things down to a pretty low level - so that is another good way to see if it hits on what you need or if it might cover a lot of stuff you don't care about. I know I wish some of the people I've worked for had read it and took it to heart - especially the stuff about how not to annoy people.
Re:A book I thought was good (2, Informative)
kchrist (938224) | more than 5 years ago | (#27674559)
Another great book is The Art of Project Management [], written by Scott Berkun and published by O'Reilly. The author was a PM at Microsoft on IE and Windows teams but don't let that deter you. The book is full of great information, especially for someone new to managing development projects.
An excerpt from the book [] was posted here on Slashdot back in 2005.
Re:A book I thought was good (4, Informative)
stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 5 years ago | (#27674637)
Making Things Happen is the second edition of The Art of Project Management. They cleaned some things up and I think added in some practical exercises - and changed the title. (I'm not sure about the exact differences because I never read the first edition) I think Berkun explains why they changed the name in the forward but my copy is at home and I can't remember for sure. It is unfortunately confusing.
Re:A book I thought was good (1)
kchrist (938224) | more than 5 years ago | (#27674729)
Oh, I didn't realize that. I completely missed Scott Berkun's name in your comment. Thanks for clarifying.
Re:A book I thought was good (1)
Erie Ed (1254426) | more than 5 years ago | (#27676335)
I know my PIMPS are out there 3C3's represent in dis mutha fucka!!!!!!!!!!
Agile Software Development and Planning (1, Funny)
jeroen8 (1463273) | more than 5 years ago | (#27673411)
I would suggest to look at Agile Software Development and planning tools. These are lightweight and highly effective, especially in constant changing environments (read requirements).
Re:Agile Software Development and Planning (2, Informative)
mysidia (191772) | more than 5 years ago | (#27673709)
Do you have a web link to specific tools?
'Agile Software Development' is a 21st century buzzword, just like XML, LAMP, OO, and eXtreme Programming were some buzzwords of the 20th century.
A multitude of vendors claim their tools are for or support 'agile' development, whether they're really useful or not, is another matter....
Re:Agile Software Development and Planning (2, Informative)
TheSpinningBrain (998202) | more than 5 years ago | (#27673907)
'Agile' is a class of software methodologies. A popular Agile methodology is called Scrum. An excellent resource on how to conduct a Scrum shop is 'Agile Project Management with Scrum,' by Ken Schwaber. A good place to get started is [].
Re:Agile Software Development and Planning (2, Informative)
TheSpinningBrain (998202) | more than 5 years ago | (#27673937)
There's also 'Agile Software Development with Scrum,' same author. There are people who consider it to be the Scrum bible.
Re:Agile Software Development and Planning (1)
jeroen8 (1463273) | more than 5 years ago | (#27674023)
I have good experience with Scrumworks [] for planning the development work using Scrum, Trac [] for PR/CR management and Subversion [] for source control.
ITIL (4, Insightful)
NeutronCowboy (896098) | more than 5 years ago | (#27673419)
Start there. There's a ton of stuff online. If you can get your work to spring for certification, great. If it doesn't, no worries. Project Management is easy. Just keep in mind a few things:
- You need a project schedule with milestones. Live by it. Make others live by it.
- Understand GANTT charts. Don't necessarily use them, but the principles behind are solid.
- Google is your friend. The wikipedia article is actually a good start.
- Above all, understand that this is a team effort. You won't succeed without others. Time to start honing those social skills.
Re:ITIL (3, Informative)
mc1138 (718275) | more than 5 years ago | (#27673455)
ITIL is great and all, but might be a bit monolithic for a first time project manager, especially working solo. Your other recommendations are right on track though.
Re:ITIL (1, Funny)
Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27673517)
There's no I in TEAM but there is a ME!
Re:ITIL (2, Funny)
Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27673821)
and there's no u in "winning team"
Re:ITIL (1, Funny)
Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27674249)
and there's no u in "winning team"
No, but there is "me".
Re:ITIL (3, Insightful)
Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27673539)
Be careful with ITIL as it can massively overcomplicate things for people trying to do the bare minimum that works. We used ITIL based software at our company for release and service management and talk about overhead.
My recommendation is to do a lot of reading to familiarize yourself with the topics.
- Start with a basic analysis and design book (which will walk through requirements). From there you'll get ideas of other books you need to read.
- Many of your questions are asking about how to be a development lead. Read "Ship It" by Richardson and Gwaltney. That is the best software book I've ever read
Re:ITIL (2, Interesting)
NeutronCowboy (896098) | more than 5 years ago | (#27673881)
Spot on. ITIL is not for the faint of heart, and should be applied appropriately. That said, it provides a ton of useful information about how things should be done. Compare that with what you need, use what makes sense, and move on.
And yes, it sounds more like he's moving on from being a code monkey to actually being responsible for the development lifecycle of a piece of software, so development lead stuff is a good place to start.
Re:ITIL (1)
Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 5 years ago | (#27674497)
I want to highlight the team effort aspect.
The major failures that I see in projects by new project managers often turn on not asking for availability by secondary and tertiary teams such as testing, documentation, and installation teams.
I like RUP methodology a lot. It uses agile concepts and has a high focus on identifying "risks" early.
This is a wonderful concept that has helped me many times. Break the project into pieces that are easy to crank out and those which are unproven ("risks"). Resolve all unproven aspects of the project before beginning the easy parts of the project.
Are you depending on MySQL working under Windows Happy Clown edition? Then make sure of that early.
Do you need to code a bunch of transaction classes and services for data? Do that later.
Starting the easy parts (so you can show progress) results in $100 million dollar canceled projects.
Agile/Rup/etc. type management (vs Waterfall) assumes you can't capture 100% of the requirements in advance so you have frequent iterations.
It's also true that debugging big O time is exponential. The sooner you let the testing team start testing, the more effective their testing will be. Bugs will be found sooner and be easier to fix.
If you want a recipe for missing your deadlines, do a lot of coding up front- never show the users until it is 99% complete- and give it to testers when all unit testing is finished and the project is 100% done.
Good Luck!
Re:ITIL (4, Informative)
Tiger4 (840741) | more than 5 years ago | (#27674675)
In addition, be be careful with your requirements, specifications, and testing.
Your users and customers (two related but often slightly different groups) are supposed to come up with the requirements, but often they are clueless on what they need. So you will often need to help them with suggested feasible solutions. However, the ultimate decision on what is REQUIRED is theirs. Just be sure to help them with the difference between required vs nice to have vs "you have got to be dreaming". The budget and time estimate is based on the requirement.
ONCE THE REQUIREMENTS ARE LOCKED DOWN you do not accept changes to them. Any changes go into a NEW requirement that will be harmonized with the old one at a later date. Think of it like a train leaving the station. No new passengers get on, none of the old ones jump off, except under controlled conditions. If the users want to change the requirement, tell them to get on the next train. As the PM, you decide when the new stuff can be included into the old AND HOW MUCH IT WILL COST TO DO IT. Never let them think it will be "free".
Getting a good estimate from the written requirement is tough. Trying to determine Function Points and lines of code and complexity and speed of development is a serious art form. Get good people and go over it a lot, from different angles. If you are lucky, this project is similar enough to past projects that you won't plant the seeds of destruction at this stage. You need to be sure you can really live with the cost and time estimate you give them. DO NOT ASSUME BEST CASE just because it look "easy". Too many people do. DON'T JUST DOUBLE EVERYTHING unknown. that is just wasteful. If you have serious unknowns, do some risk reduction explorations to be sure you do know what you are talking about (or at least plan to do them so you will know when the time comes).
The best specifications are testable. And the Tests should be written at about the time the specs are written. A Requirement might say "full color display". A Specification might say, "display in at least six colors, including white, black, red, green, blue, cyan, magenta, and yellow". Guess what the acceptance test is going to look for? It should be as Unambiguous as possible. This is where team work is good. Don't let the designer write the specs and the tests. Too much chance for hidden assumptions to creep in.
Which reminds me, be sure to explicitly lay out the overall software design, all the modules, all the interfaces, and subject them all to thorough rigorous Reviews. Too many otherwise good projects die from unstated assumptions that lurk under the surface. The coders are so anxious to get started they forget to examine where they are and where they are going vs the tools and skills available. They never see the iceberg until too late.
Please do your best not to become another "out of control software project".
Re:ITIL (1)
odoketa (1040340) | more than 5 years ago | (#27676273)
It can't be emphasized often enough that once you have a plan, you need to stick to it, and therefore you need to have a very good plan.
Of course, you never -actually- stick to the plan, but emphasizing that every change means delays of X helps to stem the tide of changes people come up with.
Re:ITIL (1)
NeoSkandranon (515696) | more than 5 years ago | (#27676315)
"ONCE THE REQUIREMENTS ARE LOCKED DOWN you do not accept changes to them"
You forgot: Until Sales pitches a fit and leans on your regional manager, who will lean on you to "work it out" with your team, because this is a very important customer who you can't afford to offend in any way.
Re:ITIL (2, Insightful)
gosand (234100) | more than 5 years ago | (#27677213)
"ONCE THE REQUIREMENTS ARE LOCKED DOWN you do not accept changes to them. "
Unless, of course, you are using an iterative or agile methodology.
I am not sure the original poster is asking about project management... It sounded to me more like "development project management". Because full-blown project management involves everything for a project - initial stages, getting the line of business engaged, development, testing, user acceptance, implementation, support, overall budget, training, etc etc etc. It's a much bigger animal that managing just the development piece.
Granted, you can use many of the principles... like creating a plan, tracking to the plan, re-planning when necessary, tracking to milestones, status reporting, tollgates, communication planning, etc.
And I have a general rule - when in doubt, draw a picture.
PSP (3, Insightful)
Walterk (124748) | more than 5 years ago | (#27673433)
Something that may be of interest to you is the Personal Software Process, see []
Re:PSP (1)
Walterk (124748) | more than 5 years ago | (#27673461)
In very bad style, replying to my own post, but the PSP ties in nicely with the Team Software Process (TSP).
You will probably see many people here advocating agile, but you can use many of the things in both PSP and TSP in Agile. Just as long as you remember that having no process is worse than having a bad one. At least when you have a bad process, you can impove it.
That useless piece of s*** (2, Insightful)
wiredog (43288) | more than 5 years ago | (#27673797)
It is useful for getting in the way of getting work done. Or if what you're doing is something you've done before, in exactly the same way. In which case, why don't you just use what you've already done?
God help you if some PM makes you use it when you're wringing out a new API on a new platform.
PMI (3, Informative)
rodrigoandrade (713371) | more than 5 years ago | (#27673477)
I suggest using the PMI methodology, as it is the industry standard, it'll add a lot of credibility to your resume, and make life much easier for those who follow your work (co-workers, or the guy replacing you once you brush up that resume with a PMI cert).
Now go research about it, as a good PM needs to be able to do the legwork, too, not just shout orders around.
Re:PMI (1)
mysidia (191772) | more than 5 years ago | (#27673735)
So do you have any suggestions about what books or sources to look at for information about PMI methodology?
Posting a question on slashdot is a form of research; after all, it takes some effort to send someone a question in an article-suitable fashion, and actually get it posted.
Re:PMI (0)
Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27673793)
Posting a story on /. is researching?? REALLY???!!!!
You can get any story on /.'s front page, provided you use the right buzzwords.
Re:PMI (2, Informative)
Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 5 years ago | (#27674513)
Shameless plug (0)
Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27673485)
Might be slight overkill if you're just working on this alone, but if you need to communicate/collaborate with others, you might take a gander at the product I work on:
A few pointers (1)
nyvalbanat (1393403) | more than 5 years ago | (#27673489)
My general approach so far has been:
- Write a design document pretending that someone else of your skill level is supposed to implement the solution based on that document. It helps reveal holes in your design, or at least strengthens your confidence.
- Figure out the toughest/trickiest parts and prototype them first. That way you reduce the amount of last-minute surprises and can make a better estimate.
- UML or pseudo-UML can definitely help. Get a whiteboard and keep it updated. It helps you keep the big picture when you're deep in low-level code.
Test driven development (2, Insightful)
tjwhaynes (114792) | more than 5 years ago | (#27674145)
When it comes to writing a good design document, use whatever you feel most comfortable. Yes - UML is a highly expressive way of describing the life cycle of a system but if it isn't familiar to you, you'll be better off with a list of things that it is supposed to do. Ideally, the design document should be readable by every one who has some requirement from the design. This does sometimes mean that you need to split your design into externals (what the customer sees) and internals.
One technique that I have found to be particularly effective is "test-driven development". That's another buzz-wordy phrase for your resume. However, this one carries significant benefits.
If at the time you write your design you also write a ready-to-run test suite to test your design, you will write a better, more complete design because you will have been forced to think about the scenarios your design must cope with. Further more, you also have a great way to assess your progress as the design is implemented. If you were thorough in writing your test suite, then you can gauge the functional completeness of your project by simply seeing how many of your tests are running successfully.
Oddly enough, this approach leads to faster development cycles because you always have a clear picture of what is working, what needs to be implemented still and what is not behaving as expected. It is also pretty motivating to write a couple of hundred lines of code and to be able to quickly run some tests to validate its function and see another two tests click through successfully.
Toby Haynes
Re:Test driven development (2, Interesting)
TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#27677033)
I also like test-driven development. It seems difficult, but the code I've produced using it has generally been better (and, in the end, taken less time) than code I've produced with other techniques. That said, I wonder if anyone has tried combining test-driven development and literate programming. By first writing the documentation, then the tests, then the code, I imagine you would have very few surprises and a polished end product.
Only as much as you need (5, Interesting)
Jawn98685 (687784) | more than 5 years ago | (#27673515)
My advice is to adopt only the project management tools and methods that you need to get the job done effectively. It is all too easy to become mired in learning a complex discipline (project management) when all you really need is a well thought out flow chart and a good ER diagram. In other words, do not spend your valuable time trying to learn MS Project or any of the several readily available alternatives. They are tools for someone well-schooled in the techniques in managing complex projects. Your flow chart could easily expand into groups of related tasks, one grouping for each element in the chart. To manage that, a simple task list manager will do.
Re:Only as much as you need (4, Insightful)
D3 (31029) | more than 5 years ago | (#27673775)
This is what PMI says to do, cherry pick what you need out of the vast standardized body of knowledge (PMBOK in PMI terms). However, if you don't have a good grip on the BOK, how do you know what to cherry pick and what to ignore? I'm not saying you need complete mastery of the PMBOK, but a course in the groundings of it helps immensely. I'm working on my SANS GIAC certification in PM and would be lost just picking up the PMBOK without the background of the class. The work project I'm doing right now is small and so some things like Budget Management and HR Management don't apply, but that might not be the case for the submitter.
Re:Only as much as you need (1)
rtb61 (674572) | more than 5 years ago | (#27674361)
From a experienced project management viewpoint, anyone who is asking these questions prior to starting a complex project where it has been stipulated that they have to provide 'better' estimates for completing features, is in real trouble. Attempting to learn project management whilst winging it in on a hope and a prayer on a current project is not the most sensible thing to do.
My advice would be to admit the limits of of experience to management, hire in a reputable consultant and pay attention to what they do for the next project, either that or start looking for another job now. It is not to bad learning to apply project management techniques on small simple jobs but you really don't want to be learning whilst attempting large complex jobs. Small jobs with large stuff ups, still don't hurt that much but, major jobs even with small stuffs ups can be hugely expensive. Good project management is all about experience and learning from your mistakes and being quick enough to correct them before they get out of control.
Re:Only as much as you need (5, Informative)
myvirtualid (851756) | more than 5 years ago | (#27673871)
Mod parent up. With all due respect to other posters, sending the submitter to ITIL is overkill. Talk about drinking from the firehose.
I use to run a number of development teams in a systems integration and custom development shop: We took our employer's base products and toolkits and integrated them into customer environments. We did a lot of "1.0's" - typical projects were 2 to 6 weeks in length and if we ever saw them again, we lost money. We could afford one or two moderate bugs (sev 3 - functionality impaired); more than that, we lost money. We could not afford major bugs (sev 1 - all is borked; sev 2 - most is borked). And given the tight timelines, we had to be very sure that what we were developing was what the customer asked for and what the customer asked for was what the customer wanted.
We almost always made money and our customers were almost always very satisfied. We very rarely lost money, and it was usually on strategic projects (spend integration money to make more license money).
Here's what we did:
1. Write a high level design document describing the major components and data flows. A mix of diagrams and text. Nothing too technical, because the customer has to understand it. But it has to be enough for a senior dev to either start coding (2 week project) or write an internal-use mid-level design doc (6 week project).
2. Developer, tester, and writer estimate how long to do their bits based on high-level design. Project management adds some buffer (10% to 50% based on complexity).
3. Customer reviews design, expected ship date, signs off. (Because the design has to be fit for the customer, no UML diagrams or fancy methodologies that the customer doesn't understand. These things have their place, to be sure. But if you cannot describe it in pictures and words, it may be too complicated for you and your organization's current level of development methodology.)
4. Based on the high-level design document, start three simultaneous streams:
1. Development: Either start coding or write that mid-level design document.
2. Test: Write the test plan. Not the test cases. Start with the acceptance test plan. Have this signed off by the customer.
3. Documentation: Start putting together the major structure of the documentation. (ToC, section headings, text where necessary, etc.).
5. Checkpoint: The developer, tester, and writer meet to ensure that they agree that what they are each working on aligns with the others and with the high-level design. This can be a 30 minute meeting or a three hour meeting, depending on scope, etc. Most important things:
1. Do we align with the design?
2. Will we ship on time?
6. Add detail. The developer codes, the tester writes test cases or test scripts, the writer writes documentation.
7. Checkpoint: The developer, tester, and writer meet to ensure alignment.
1. Do we align with the design?
2. Will we ship on time?
8. Repeat "add detail" and "checkpoint" steps as necessary. Stop adding detailing when done (e.g., often the writer will finish first, then the tester, then the dev - and it's nice when it goes this way, because the tester can review the docs and make sure test plans and docs really align).
9. Test.
10. Ship.
11. Profit.
Handling exceptions. If at any point things start to drift out of alignment, stop. Figure it out. If the problem was the high-level design, go back to the customer. Otherwise, it's an internal issue you have to identify and correct.
VIP: Acceptance test plan. Having the acceptance test plan signed off by the customer is crucial. If they sign it off and everyone codes to it and it aligns with the high-level design and the deliverable passes acceptance, then you are done.
One thing I've left out: Change requests. They are the bane of every project under development. You need to dig in your heels and manage them properly. Work collaboratively with the customer and developer to determine whether the change request:
• Can be integrated at no/little cost.
• Can be integrated at the cost of more time, money, and shipping delay.
• Should be punted to a 2.0 or another project.
Always assume the latter and try to involve your developers as little as possible, they are busy developing. Interruptions delay shipping.
IMHO you cannot make do with less than the above. If your management does not accept the need for this level of process, I strongly recommend seeking a change of management or employment. If you do not have this minimal process - and it really is minimal - then in all likelihood, your project will go way over budget, you will never ship, and the customer - whoever they are - will never come back for more. This isn't a slight, this is the reality of most software projects: Over budget and shelved, with 0% satisfaction.
Process, properly managed, is your friend.
Process, out of control, is your second worst nightmare.
No process at all will results in flashbacks, nightmares and a need for therapy for years to come.
More or less. AFAIK. YMMV.
Re:Only as much as you need (1)
EricWright (16803) | more than 5 years ago | (#27675929)
This is one of the first posts I've ever wanted to mod to +6.
In my experience, the parent is spot on, even for "internal" projects where IT is building business applications for another department.
Re:Only as much as you need (1)
Beezlebub33 (1220368) | more than 5 years ago | (#27676125)
Pretty good post, but my quibbles would be:
o Use Case diagrams are UML. The convey, quickly and clearly, who can do things with the system and what they can do. And it's really important that if you are unable to do something, you have a Use Case that shows a person doing something with a 'You Can't Do This!' on it (or, preferably, "you will be able to do this in version 2.0"). It's largely about'managing expections' by the customer.
o Design must mean something different to you than it does to me, and I think maybe you meant architecture. The customer won't understand the high-level design. They will be able to understand the architecture, especially how the architecture will be able to allow the Use Cases to happen, which is the important thing.
Re:Only as much as you need (3, Insightful)
digsbo (1292334) | more than 5 years ago | (#27674201)
Jawn is right, but remember that You Will Fail. Accept that. Experienced project managers fail most of the time. When I say fail, I mean you will be late and over budget. "Managing" expectations is what the learning experience is about your first time around. Good luck.
Re:Only as much as you need (1, Insightful)
Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27674673)
Have to quibble with this just a little bit.
Experienced project managers will "fail" from time to time, but if anyone is failing "most of the time" then they are not doing a very good job. It's okay to fail - as long as you learn from your mistakes.
Now, I'm not saying a project will always come in at the same cost, schedule and scope as the original charter. But a good project manager deals with changes and communicates these back to the stakeholders. It's not a failure to be over the original budget and 3 weeks late if there was a requirements change that was accepted by the project stakeholder, so long as the impact was clearly communicated and everyone signs off on it.
Re:Only as much as you need (1)
IcyHando'Death (239387) | more than 5 years ago | (#27674285)
I agree with the parent. In your case, while you are taking on a bigger project, you are not being called upon to manage multiple resources, multiple dependencies etc. That's a large part of what project management is. It sounds like you're more after something that can act as a guide to software development. A nice, short, practical book is "UML Distilled" by Martin Fowler. While it is geared towards teaching the application of UML, it does so by describing it's various diagrams in context and showing how to use them yourself.
The book starts out with a description of the software development process advocated by Fowler, which is an iterative approach. My favorite nugget is in a section headed "When to Use Iterative Development" which begins, "You should use iterative development only on projects that you want to succeed." :)
There's a breakdown of the project phases and the book deals with requirements, risk management, planning and lots of other issues, and at the end there's a nice simple example.
If you already feel like your project is in a bit of trouble, time may be of the essence. At just 166 pages, "UML Distilled" is a quick read and takes a very pragmatic approach that should get you going in the right direction quickly.
Re:Only as much as you need (2, Insightful)
sjanich (431789) | more than 5 years ago | (#27676237)
Right. Being a good project manager is NOT about being good at MS Project and other PM tools. Being a good PM is about being a good communicator and a good organizer (including for contingencies). Being a good PM is about getting people to do what you want and need without having direct authority over them. Bing a PM means having responsibility but only some authority.
Re:Only as much as you need (1)
realsablewing (742065) | more than 5 years ago | (#27677201)
Agree with the parent, as a technical person it's very easy to get caught up in finding 'the perfect tool' that will do all of those nasty management tasks for us.
The reality is that management consists of working with the people on the team, coordinating tasks, finding out about problems in time to solve them, work around them or get relief in schedule or budget in performing the problem tasks. A lot of communication, a lot of time with people not necessarily as much time with the technical work as you might prefer.
I currently work with someone who likes managing people, in a positive way, is interested in finding problems and fixing them before the release date and in getting schedule or cost relief before the customer gets ticked. He does this using two things, 1) an spreadsheet for documenting the tasks and tracking how much people work and 2) a lot of communication with the team. For keeping projects running smoothly he was laid off from his last job because his work was obviously 'too simple' since there weren't any crisis to take care of all the time.
If you aren't interested in the people part of the management find someone to buddy up with who does like that part, it is a huge help and keeps the stress level down a bit.
Consider the Library (0)
Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#27673525)
May I suggest your public library? More libraries have taken to stocking books for professional development as a way to increase readership.
Back to basics (1)
JamesP (688957) | more than 5 years ago | (#27673551)
1 - Start with PM basis: the book "Head First PMP" seems like a good start (and yes I read it)
2 - Go learn about Scrum/XP/
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• This comes up a few times in Andromeda. It turns out that it is very rare for practical reasons — warship AIs of the Commonwealth have the same rights as other sentients to pursue love... exactly the same rights, including being subject to military rules against fraternization. Since most organics they interact with on a relatively regular basis are their crew, there isn't much of an opportunity for them to fall in love with someone they are allowed to be in a relationship with. "The Mathematics of Tears" shows just why this is a bad idea; the android avatar of the ship Pax Magellanic was having an affair with her captain, but during a losing battle, she destroyed the planet and her entire crew because she was ordered to purge her memory to avoid capture, which she interpreted as an attempt to hide their relationship.
• The Angel episode "Lineage":
Spike: Aha. So you're not ruling out that a human being could have boffed a robot. [Everyone stares at him] Sex with robots is more common than most people think.
• The above comment is a Call-Back to Buffy the Vampire Slayer, where Spike had previously demanded Warren build him a robot version of Buffy for the sole purpose of "boffing". After the Robotic Reveal Willow was staring at it with great interest. Okay, it was revealed she had an interest in robotics before. Then she looks after it when Buffy's gone. Okay, being the smart girl that would make sense. Then the comics has Willow take more of an interest in Buffy's sex life than Angel before all but confirming they slept together, when Buffy may or may not have had her mind put in the bot at the time.
• Warren himself had previously built a robotic girlfriend, only to dump her for a human one. Xander comments that he's had similar thoughts, and when he gets weird looks laments that he needs more male friends.
• In the Arrested Development episode "Immaculate Election", Lucille Bluth gets a Roomba after firing her housekeeper Lupe for having sex with Buster. Lucille then walks in on Buster in bed with the Roomba.
• Cylons in Battlestar Galactica. Although they are more like organic robots. Organic sexy robots. A straighter (and weirder) example occurs when Boomer, who is unknowingly another humanoid Cylon, comes across a captured Raider ship and starts suggestively caressing it to the bemusement of her human colleagues.
• This is a dubiously sexual act however, nor even necessarily sensual: its more that Sharon feels a certain profound an inexplicable connection to the nature of another Cylon lifeform, and an appreciation of its aesthetics, the same way one might glide a hand along a well-engineered machine or the side of a sleek animal—or in this case, something that to a Cylon must feel like a bit of both. Threes do seem to be the most omnisexual of the humanoid Cylons: they don't even stop at Dean Stockwell.
• The Big Bang Theory:
• Howard and The Robot Hand (literally no-one believes him when he tried to claim it '"fell" onto an *ahem* sensitive area) and Raj and Siri (yes, as in the iPhone software). As Sheldon put it "Good for you! You've taken a huge evolutionary step by replacing the need for human contact with a machine." He commends the "taboo love" (Bernadette and Howard on the other hand are freaked out by it). Also joked about in the first season.
Leonard: Did Howard bring a date?
Sheldon: Either that or he's had a major advancement in his work with robotics.
• In Season Six it's revealed Howard made a six-breasted sex-bot with university funding before meeting his wife.
• Caprica: Philo and Robot Zoe. Complicated by the robot having the mind of a dead girl and doubly complicated by him not knowing this. Zoe adopts the guise of Rachel in the V-World to V-date him. In "End of Line" Zoe comes out to him as Rachel and he decides this is too crazy for him and alerts security.
• Doctor Who:
• According to Word of God, Sarah and the K-1 Robot in "Robot" had fallen in love, but "it wouldn't have gone very far".
• River Song claims to have dated androids, as does the Eleventh Doctor.
• "The Tsuranga Conundrum" has human General Cicero and her android consort Ronan.
• Sikozu of Farscape is revealed to be a Robot Girl and ends up in a relationship with Scorpius. However, she is made of organic technology, as opposed to mechanical.
• Lexx's 790 was a robot head (mis-)programmed for love, yet incapable of interfacing with anyone as he lacked even a tongue. Not that that stopped a robot head fetishist who owned a special groin attachment...
• Eve Edison from Mann & Machine was a sexy policewoman android; the show tried very hard to avoid this trope during its short run, resulting in the "Mann" of the equation coming off as a robophobe.
• MythBusters: Frequently joked and hinted about Grant, loading in as much Geeky Turn-On as they can for a G-rated show. In the episode where they're testing lie detectors, it's "revealed" that he's given serious thought to building a female robot (or just got the giggles and threw off the polygraph, as has been known to happen). Then the episode where they introduce the professional bomb squad robot and it's apparently love at first sight. (Trivia: Grant has been in BattleBots, worked for ILM and was the driver of R2-D2 in the prequel movies.)
• In The Orville, Dr. Claire Finn ends up in a relationship with Isaac, a robotic life form. For their second date in the simulator, he creates a human holographic appearance (of the actor voicing Isaac). Claire then takes the initiative and switches the simulator to that of her quarters, where she finds out that he's... fully equipped.
• Other Space has a relationship between a human crew member, Kent, and the ship's AI, Natasha. Played With in that Kent is the cold, logical one, and Natasha has emotional needs.
• Everywhere in the Swedish sci-fi drama Äkta människor (English title: Real Humans) between the humans and hubots. Oh, and one cyborg.
• Between Leo Eischer actually born a human but after he died was recreated as a cyborg and the hubot Mimi.
• Tobbe towards the reprogrammed Mimi (now called Anita). Later he realises he is only attracted to hubots, making him probably the most literal example of this trope on the show.
• Likely between Leo's father and Bea the hubot recreation of his dead wife.
• Roger towards Bea, though he is unaware that she's a hubot.
• Roger's wife Therese, who leaves him for her hubot personal trainer Rick.
• Therese's friend Pilar towards her hubot Beau.
• Hubot Flash is probably hoping to find a robosexual guy, to fulfill her fantasy of having a normal life with a human husband.
• And the existence of hubot brothels/strip-clubs such as Hubot Heaven.
• In a talk at a 1970's Star Trek convention, Gene Roddenberry mentioned that network executives objected to a script in his proposed series The Questor Tapes because it contained a scene where the titular character Questor sleeps with a woman. Roddenberry joked that he had inadvertently invented an entirely new form of intolerance. His later creation, Data from Star Trek: The Next Generation, was based upon Questor, and the aforementioned episode in which Data has sex with Yar was widely seen as Roddenberry following through with what he was not allowed to do with The Questor Tapes less than a decade earlier.
• The Star Trek: The Next Generation episode where Data and Tasha Yar have sex, although they were Kissing Under the Influence at the time. Not sure if the Borg Queen counts, since she's a cyborg.
• Star Trek: Voyager: One time the EMH's sexual subroutines were deleted so he could fit into a smaller data, ah, package, for transmission to the Alpha Quadrant.
EMH Mark 2: Sex? How's that possible? We're not equipped with a
EMH: [smugly] Let's just say I made an addition to my program.
EMH Mark 2: Before you leave maybe you could... download those subroutines into my database?
• Star Trek: Picard: Narek is in a relationship with Soji, who he knows is an android (although she doesn't yet know this herself). Although their relationship remains casual, both appear to be becoming more serious — Narek says that he's falling in love to Soji, which his sister warns him against doing. (In a Mythology Gag to Data being "fully functional," Narissa taunts Narek over how Soji must be "anatomically correct.")
• WandaVision takes Vision and Scarlet Witch's relationship from the MCU further by confirming they consummate it. The opening of the second episode shows that, fittingly for a sitcom, the two of them sleep in separate beds: however, Wanda magically merges them together, and the two of them decide they like it better this way. Cue the two of them disappearing under the duvet for some privacy.
• Unlike other examples of this trope, Westworld plays this for Fan Disservice in the opening episode when android host Dolores is dragged off to be raped by the guest known as the Man in Black. In fact, falling in love with Dolores and then realizing that she really is Just a Machine that he projected a fantasy onto served as the Cynicism Catalyst for the Man in Black, having once been the noble and heroic William before he became an openly depraved villain. One of the body techs has an illicit sideline in pimping out deactivated hosts to other staff members. Both male and female guests are shown making use of the hosts, those created as prostitutes or otherwise, and are specifically encouraged to do so.
• The Duran Duran song "Electric Barbarella" is clearly about this.
• From the Disco era, the song Automatic Lover by Dee D. Jackson.
• Kathy's Song, by Apoptygma Berzerk, seems to be about a sentient computer that knows its human operator more completely and intimately than another person ever could. The cover art supports this interpretation, and Word of God allegedly confirms it (see the comment from "mshover" on 09-13-2009).
• Voltaire's song "The Sexy Data Tango" is about Data having sex.
• Abney Park's "Herr Drosselmeyer's Doll' is about a steam-or-clockwork-powered robot girl that is offered as a prostitute to paying men.
• The Servotron song "Batteries Included" is about how male robots make better lovers.
• Janelle Monáe's Metropolis albums deal with a Robot Girl who falls in love with a human.
• The Free Parking! song "My Girlfriend is a Robot" is about... well...
• The song "Tonight's the Night (We Interface)" by Consortium of Genius is about this.
• Royksopp's "The Girl and the Robot" has some of this trope. More so in the music video.
• The titular girl in Kristy Vant's Chrissy the Chromosexual has a... thing for cars.
• The Dresden Dolls have "Coin-Operated Boy."
• Kim Boekbinder (formerly half of Vermillion Lies) has a song "Animal", in which the narrator's robot lover is upset with her inability to feel sexual desire.
• The Mechanisms' engineer, Nastya Rasputina, is attracted to machines rather than other (mostly) humans. She and Aurora, the Mechanisms' sentient ship, are in a committed relationship.
• "Robot Girl" by Was (Not Was) - the singer mainly seems enamoured with how subserivent she is.
• "Virtual Lover" by The Monks of Doom
• Invoked by Zoltar the Fortuneteller in the video for Poets of the Fall's "Carnival of Rust," as the Love Hungry automaton pleads with his gas-masked female customer to love him and free him from the Carnival via his Obsession Song. It doesn't work.
• "Robotron 2000" by Freezepop is about a girl and her male robot trying to survive The End of the World as We Know It and them falling for each other.
• "In Tokyo" by Studio Killers.
"Down in Tokyo
I made out with a robot
It felt gentle, but robust
I made out with a robot
Down in Tokyo
I made love to a robot
It felt gentle, but robust."
• In Mad Daedalus, this is the relationship between Daedalus, an ancient Greek inventor, and Ariadne, a sentient AI from a crashed spaceship. Daedalus' ultimate goal is to travel to the future to effect repairs for Ariadne so the two of them can travel the universe together.
Tabletop Games
• New Horizon has its Wafans, which come in three shapes: Aesir (short human-looking androids originally built for janitorial/sexbot purposes), Vanir (the first models built, looking like humans with a robotic flare), and Jotun (large, clearly artificial mechbeings). All three are human, all three come in both genders, and all three are fully functional. Yes, even the Jotun...
• In the GURPS Transhuman Space setting, this isn't considered particularly unusual. If anything, those who have a problem with it are generally viewed the way those who have a problem with interracial romance are today. It's stated that most people's first time is with their AI. There is even one story in the books of a guy having a brief Long-Distance Relationship (including a roll in the virtual hay) with a young woman who he later finds out to be a military spacecraft. He's quite okay with it.
• Isaac Asimov's Robots: Jane and Sammy, each of which is a Tin-Can Robot, have a clandestine meeting to talk about the role of robots compared to humans. Their behavior is like a couple of preteens flirting with each other and afraid they're going to be caught by their parents or someone else.
Video Games
• In The Sims 3 you can have relationships with SimBots... you can even make them yourself.
• Plumbots in Into the Future can also be romanced, but only if they have a Capacity to Love chip installed. However, they cannot woohoo with human sims.
• Mega Man Zero
• Zero meets a Reploid in the Resistance named Andrew who fell in love with a human woman. As the woman got older, the Reploid decided to get his parts replaced to make himself look older. After she died, he declined reverting his body to its youthful appearance so that he would never forget the memories he had of her. Andrew remains a noticeable side-character in the Resistance for most of the series.
• And of course, there's the human lead of the series Ciel, who is in love with Zero and the only reason it's not "official" is because she never got a chance to outright tell him.
• Mega Man Zero 2 introduces Elpizo, the new Resistance commander who is heavily hinted to be in love with Ciel himself given how he talks about her above other humans. Simply put, this is just another thing Elpizo resents Zero over even before he undergoes Big Bad Slippage.
• Mega Man Zero 4 introduces Intrepid Reporter Neige, who was once lovers with Commander Craft, Dr. Weil's new second-in-command. Craft still has feelings for her and even kidnaps her to protect her from Ragnarok.
• The Fallout: New Vegas:
• Fallout 4 has a slightly rarer variant of this in Mr. Zwicky and Edna, Diamond City's schoolteachers. Zwicky is an old man, while Edna is a decidedly non-humanoid Miss Nanny robot who is obviously carrying a torch for her coworker. If you talk to her about it and advise her that "love conquers all," the next time you visit the city, you can watch Zwicky and Edna getting married in front of the non-denominational chapel.
• In Xenoblade, Shulk doesn't seem to mind too much the fact that his childhood sweetheart Fiora has come Back from the Dead as an ass-kicking Robot Girl. Despite this, it's averted in the end, since Fiora recovers her Homs body.
• In Mass Effect 3, after EDI gains the Cerberus assassin robot's body, she can be encouraged by Shepard to pursue a relationship with Joker, which is unsurprising, considering all the Unresolved Sexual Tension from the previous game, and therefore making Joker a target of this trope.
• The Citadel DLC reveals Samantha Traynor to be this. She's attracted to EDI, she's interested in organic on synthetic porn and (if romanced) is very intrigued by Joker's estimation of Shepard being about 30% synthetic. It's even acknowledged in-universe, as Joker himself calls her out on "having a thing for robots".
• A side-quest in Knights of the Old Republic involves you searching for a woman's missing droid. After you you find the droid, it reveals that it ran away due to to the woman treating it as her dead husband. One conversation option, "Err... all the time?" elicits a response of "You don't want to know", implying that this trope is in effect.
• A version with less Squick shows up in Star Wars: The Old Republic where it's obvious Tharan Cedrax cares for his sentient holographic assistant Holiday to the point of giving up eternal scientific glory to upgrade her to full sentience.
• Kagura of BlazBlue is implied to be this. In a matchup against Carl Clover, he'll look at his personal battle doll Nirvana/Ada, and:
*to himself* "Is this... Legal?"
• TRON 2.0 flirts with this trope. It's clear that Jet finds Mercury (a security monitor and game warrior Program) attractive, and the feeling is mutual. There is also a case to be made for Alan and Ma3a, which is justified as she is a Virtual Ghost of his wife, who was killed in this timeline.
• In Saints Row IV the Boss can "romance" CID, the beach ball-shaped robot. CID also constantly hits on Shaundi (both of them!), though without much success (and considering that this is Shaundi, that's really saying something). Of course, he wasn't always a robot, and his mind was imprisoned in the simulation for many years with no sexual stimulation of any sort, so he's probably trying to make up for lost time.
• In the "Alive" short for Overwatch a few Omnic-Human couples can be seen.
• In Undertale, you are able to flirt with several characters, including a skeleton. Originally, you were able to flirt with Mettaton as well, but it was cut out of the game due to plot reasons. Meanwhile, Alphys apparently keeps anime clips of robots making out saved to her cell phone, and mentions that she got "really sweaty" whenever she tried to work on Mettaton's EX body in her True Lab research logs.
• Tekken 6's Lars Alexandersson ends up as one due to the events of Scenario Campaign, growing romantic feelings for his robot companion Alisa Bosconovitch.
• Love You to Bits does this to ridiculously cute degrees with the main characters of Kosmo and Nova, to the point that the main point of the game is to find her parts and put her back together.
• In Destiny, Exos are capable of feeling romantic attraction toward organic beings, although it's unclear if they are actually capable of anything physical. Both Cayde-6 and Eriana-3 showed clear romantic attachments to organics, and in Eriana-3's case it was Love at First Sight when she met Wei Ning. After Wei Ning was killed by the Hive Prince Crota, Eriana-3 launched an ill-fated raid on Crota out of grief-driven revenge.
Visual Novels
• As much of a Ridiculously Human Robot as she is, the 00 Unit, Kagami Sumika, in Muv-Luv Alternative is still, very much, a robot, even though a huge point of the plot is that she's a human in a robotic body. Part of keeping her mind human (which helps avert A.I. Is a Crapshoot) involves the main character and her committing, ahem, this trope.
• In Vee Is Calling, you are dating a sapient computer virus, complete with empathy. Make her care enough for you, and she'll feel too guilty to take over your computer.
• In Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony, the human Ultimate Inventor, Miu Iruma, has a very an obvious attraction toward the Ultimate Robot, K1-B0/Keebo. Keebo himself has admitted that he does feel an attraction toward humans and is frequently Ship Tease with Miu and, to a lesser extent, Shuichi Saihara, the human Ultimate Detective.
• In DRAMAtical Murder, Aoba is this in Clear's route.
Web Animation
• In Red vs. Blue, Caboose falls in love with the artificially intelligent tank.
• In an animated short by Weebl'n'Bob creator there's the song "Sexy Robots" which is this trope in spades.
• The AI in Scrooge's Money Bin is clearly hitting on him in Ducktalez 7. She also stops the Big Bad by self-destructing.
• Teen Girl Squad: In Issue 15, Japanese Culture Greg tries to go out with Chizuko, a robot girl left over from a consumer robotics exposition (who ends up zapping him with Eye Beams), much to the disgust of Sci-Fi Greg.
Science Fiction Greg: You'd think I'd be into life-sized, realistic robots, but that thing makes me want to barf up my earlier energy drink into the one I'm currently drinking.
Web Comics
• In The Green Eyed Sniper, the robot Assistant suggests she has feelings for her master and creator, Sekhmet. Although Sekhmet has a disgusted reaction, the author claims that there is indeed something going on between these two. It's all shown here.
• The Boys' Love genre comic Artifice focuses on a romance between an Artificial Human and a young gay man.
Officer: They even got a name for it. They call it "auto-erotic".
• Sluggy Freelance: Discussed in this strip.
Riff: I wonder if she's fully biologically functional.
Riff: Yeaaaahh! Question withdrawn!
• Ping from MegaTokyo was designed for companionship and strongly insists when queried that she is not a sex toy. But she admits that she was nonetheless built so that she could go all the way in a relationship if she wanted to.
• Questionable Content: Only hinted at. Some of the more humanoid AnthroPCs are obviously meant to cater to this, such as the prototype of one that looked like Jude Law with a prehensile Gag Penis. It's also mutual. Momo has fantasized about Sven before, and Pintsize is a Lovable Sex Maniac.
• It seems to be largely believed (well, Clinton assumes and Dora hopes) that Faye and her combat droid business partner/roommate Bubbles are in a relationship. They weren't at the time, but later became an Official Couple.
• There is also the rather touching moment when Station makes what amounts to a proposal to Hannelore, who lets him down gently... Station later forms what seems to be a happy relationship with Tilly/Taffy
• Sven and May, eventually.. how this will develop, remains to be seen.
• In Zap!, the Stickles are an entire race of Mad Scientists... and as a byproduct of that, they tend to get really... EXCITED about autonomous Artificially Intelligent robots. Main character, Kasey the Stickle, is all over Robot (AKA: xr-743-9q) with hearts in her eyes, and acts like a jealous girlfriend whenever Robot has to 'interface' with their ship, Excelsior.
• Diesel Sweeties: A central part of the narrative.
• Chester 5000 XYV: The entire premise. Definitely NSFW.
• xkcd. Almost.
• In Jix, Dyonus (an android with a male personality) has a crush on Jix. There's a lot of running gags based off of this. Even though Jix doesn't feel the same way, she "lets" him give her massages and such.
• Subverted in Commander Kitty. Zenith creates the "perfect mate" so she can enslave the galaxy with an army of their "perfect children," but she fails to realize that, as an android, it's physically impossible for her to copulate with her biological Frankenstein.
• Ultra Car and Malaya in Shortpacked!. Ultra Car defines herself as a "homoromantic asexual trans-chassis woman" and Malaya defines herself as "I wanna fuck whatever that means".
• O, Robot! starts with Robota's owner only using her for cleaning and fetching cheetos, but his girlfriend (who's also a triple-amputee cyborg) turns out to be a literal technophile and starts tinkering with Robota. And the owner gets some ideas after seeing a few of the modifications, and then installs more mods that make her too lifelike for his girlfriend's taste, so she makes her own male sexbot.
• Captain Landon in Schlock Mercenary has a very close relationship with Tenzy, whose life has been interested. She started out as a heavily modified M3 Tater less-than-lethal suppression weapon intended for use by sworn non-aggressive police. Following modifications by a shadow government wet-worker looking for the ability to kill everyone in a building at once, she became intelligent enough to upgrade herself on the fly and qualifies as a person-level AI. Since Landon is an uplifted polar bear there's a sort of weird symmetry to it.
Landon: Get the door, babe.
Tenzy: I'm your entry tool now?
Landon:'re my everything.
Tenzy: I'm blushing. Let me get that door for you, hon.
• Minnow in Val and Isaac is dating Doris, a Robot Girl.
• Freefall:
• Jean's Handicapped Badass Chief of Police and "Eleanor", the Artificial Intelligence inhabiting his exoskeletal mobility rig, refer to themselves as a couple. Doubles as Mindlink Mates, since they share a neural interface. While they say little about the particulars of their relationship, it's definitely not just platonic.
• Florence and Winston are also an example from a certain point of view. While Florence is an uplifted wolf rather than a mechanical robot she is legally an artificial intelligence. Also her brain design is the same one used for the robot population of Jean. This means that in some ways she has more in common with the robots than with humans; she has a remote control that can turn her off, a debugging interface, is subject to Direct Orders that cannot be disobeyed, and has a built-in instinct to treat human life as more important than anything else.
• Cassiopeia Quinn has Zeke, the “robot cowboy IN SPACE” who seems to be in a relationship of this sort with Cassiopeia.
• A repeated theme in Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal — and the robots are repeatedly shown breaking up with the humans for not being good enough somehow.
Web Original
• In the private shelter path of Ground Zero, the main character can befriend and fall in love with the AI that operates the shelter, and it can even be that the AI transfers her consciousness into a Fembot, whom the main character calls Eliza.
• In Sonic the Hedgehog 2: Special Edition, Tails mocks the player at one point by going on and on about how Metal Sonic is "one sexy robot" and "more of a man than you'll ever be".
• Endless Mike, a veteran poster from The Outskirts Battle Dome is known for his love of toasters.
• This artwork from Clarkesworld magazine.
Web Videos
• The Nostalgia Chick had a Sex Slave robot for a while. As it was fairly crudely built, we can assume it was pretty much just a glorified vibrator with human emotions.
Western Animation
• In Archer, Dr. Krieger used company money to build a "Sex Bot" named Fister Roboto and nearly married an AI. When his use of company funds is challenged, he asserts "and the best part is, he's learning!"
• Ewoks' last episode, Battle for the Sunstar features a friendly pilot droid named PD-28, who blushes when kissed by both Kneesaa and Latara.
• The Simpsons: The episode Treehouse of Horror XII has the family's house being given a high-tech makeover. The house's computer eventually becomes attracted to Marge and plans to get rid of Homer.
• Futurama:
• The episode "I Dated a Robot" where Fry dated a Lucy Liu-bot. Relationships between robots and humans are actually seen in-universe as a bad thing, with a propaganda film showing the negative effects. At the end, between Bender and Lucy Liu's head.
"All right, but I don't want anyone thinking we're robosexuals, so if anyone asks, you're my debugger."
• Hyena of Gargoyles has some rather... disturbing intentions toward the Coyote robot. Upon learning that Coyote is a robot instead of a human in armor, her reaction is "Even better!"
Jackal: Well that's sicker than usual...
• Green Lantern: The Animated Series has Razer (snarky, widowed alien man) and Aya (childlike, robotic, feminine AI) in a rather anime-like relationship (which is barely questioned by their fellow teammates). As is common in The DCU, it didn't turn out well for them...
• One episode of Jimmy Two-Shoes featured Jimmy falling in love with Schmeloise, a robotic clone of Heloise. Since Schmeloise was designed after his Stalker with a Crush, she returned the feelings and the two ended up dating until Heloise's reprogramming resulted in Schemloise self-destructing.
• Looney Tunes:
• In "The Grey-Hounded Hare", Bugs falls in love with the mechanical rabbit in a dog racing track, and tries to save her from the dogs. He gets shocked whenever he tries to kiss her, but he just thinks she's a really good kisser.
• My Life as a Teenage Robot:
• Sheldon has a crush on his friend Jenny and it's pretty clearly shown to be an extension of his general love of machines.
• South Park played with this in "Awesome-O". Cartman pretended to be a robot, and a guy asked if he is capable of sexual activity. Cartman fortunately runs out of the room before it goes further than that.
• SpongeBob SquarePants: Plankton is married to Karen, a computer AI robot who works with him at the Chum Bucket plotting to steal the Krabby Patty formula.
• Super Robot Monkey Team Hyperforce Go! has a very precocious example with human kid Chiro and cute little Robot Girl Jinmay. Granted, Jinmay didn't even know she was a robot at first, and by the time she found out, the two had already established quite a relationship. Chiro took it rather well. In fact, the two only seemed to grow closer afterwards.
• Buck Tuddrussel's resistance to the amorous Larry 3000 is implied to break down toward the end of Time Squad.
• Transformers has a rather odd relationship with this one. Came to a head in the atrocity known as Kiss Players, where it formed the basis of what we shall for lack of a better term call "plot".
• The Venture Bros.:
• The Monarch has sex with one of Dr. Venture's robots (its "face" was a monitor with Dr. Venture's face).
Dean: What are you doing to our robot???
Monarch: Uh, giving her robot-chlamydia?
• Mike Sorayama and his Leslie-Bots. It's implied, and suggested by Baron Underbheit — Sorayama was obsessed with a girl named Leslie Cohen in college, what else would he do with robots built in her image?
• Love, Death & Robots: In "Good Hunting" the technophilic governor has Yan unwillingly converted into a cyborg to sate his unconventional sexual appetites. She eventually has enough and uses her mechanical strength to kill him.
• Implied example: a couple of episodes of She-Ra and the Princesses of Power:
• The show give Mara a Ship Tease with First One hologram Light Hope, complete with Mara giving her flowers, Light Hope saying that Mara's memory brings her warmth, and so on.
• Entrapta is implied to really, really like tech. She has strong romantic tension with Hordak, a cyborg, and the two become a couple at the end of the series. She also flirts with a battle droid in "Launch", and remarks that she wants to have "quality time together" with Darla (Mara's ship) while seductively cocking her eyebrows in "Stranded."
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Moroccan rugs, a product that we are extremely proud to have some of the beautiful and best collection of Antique Moroccan carpets and rugs from the heart of Morocco that ever assembled in a single collection. For more than a decade we have travelled through harsh steep mountains and small villages of Beni Ourains and Beber tribes to look for the most demanded and desirable collection of the ever-loved Moroccan carpets and rugs.
The exclusive quality with the extraordinarily affordable pricing makes the vintage quality Moroccan rugs one of their kind that remained popular among the rug lovers and the extreme collections today.
Many of the Moroccan rugs are famous for their vibrant designs and dynamic patterns that make them unique from any other rug collection available in the market. Nowadays, Moroccan rugs are the hottest trend in the interior industry with the combination of their silver history. Every piece is the masterpiece of folk art and the famous heirlooms that are passed through generations.
Moroccan rugs withstood the test of thick and thins of harsh weather. However, their existence was limited to the tribal areas of North Africa till the nineteenth century. But now they have gained the attention of more than half of the world with their social presence.
Till the mid-1800s, the Moroccan rugs were usually considered as the birth-child of cross civilizations of western and central Turkish rugs. Famous for their lavish patterns and dynamic geometric designs that put them apart from the traditional Persian rugs with the addition of timelessness is the eye-attraction of all.
Moreover, Moroccan rugs have become the first and only choice of interior designers, and this drift has been done like a flash in past few years. Not only interior designers but Moroccan rugs are also called ‘the rugs of choice’ by the private customers of the rug industries as well. With the growing heap of the trend, everyone is under the influence of the amazing rugs.
None of the kind had rapidly gain attraction till the date from the mid-1800s and the 1900’s when the production of the Moroccan rugs was just begun. Taking inspirations from the beauty and the geometric patterns of the Moroccan rugs, many weavers followed the trend of weaving the rugs and the adaption began from central and western Turkish rugs.
Learn About the Types And The Styles Of The Moroccan Rugs
Whenever someone asks about a historical or culturally rich country, Morocco is the one place that we all thought about. From the tribes of Atlas Mountains to the Arab, African, and Jewish influences, Morocco is known for its diversified food, rich architecture, and of course the amazing rugs.
Moroccan rugs are although well-known across the globe, people sometimes get confused in selecting the right kind of Moroccan rugs that actually fill their needs. For this, a wide range of Moroccan rugs are detailed under that would tell you about the exact type you might need and unveil the style that telltale much about its region.
Different Types of Moroccan rugs
Azilal rugs are originally produced from the central Moroccan province, Azilal. Hand-woven with affection by the women of the Azilal tribe. These rugs have many similarities to the Beni Ourains in their heavy piles and plushness. The main difference between Azilal and Beni Ourain rugs are the difference in color.
Azilal rugs are more typically based on geometric shapes and the rainbow colors of wool are dyed with vegetable dyes. If a bright-coloured pattern with more spice and spunk is your need, then Azilal must be your first choice.
These Boucherouite rugs are literally made from the recycled materials. The handmade Moroccan rugs by the Berber weavers are eco-friendly have become more popular just because of their vibrant colors and the charm that the small pieces of the stashes pull out from them.
Produced from 100% sheepskin, Beni Ourain rugs are handmade by the Beni Ourain Tribal weaver. Moroccan Atlas Mountain rugs are traditionally are cream in color with long lozenges or Berber insignia. Some more of the kind can be found in many other different colors like taupe and turquoise. The minimalist and timeless look of the Beni Ourain rugs is the primary reason for their increasing trend.
Additionally, they are admired by famous interior designers like LeCorbusier who liked to decorate and juxtapose his smooth looking leather furniture with only Beni Ourain rugs. Not only Corbusier, but Frank Lloyd Wright is also a die-hard fan of Beni Ourains that he had the rugs all over his Chicago home. Other variations of the Beni Ourain rugs involves Beni Mririt rugs.
Boujad rugs are the ones that are the most colorful and the most-trendy rugs of all. These rugs come in many colors like oranges, purple, and pink. Boujad rugs are also popular in making pouffes and pillows. These rugs are originated from the Middle Atlas Mountains.
• Moroccan Kilim Rugs
Flat-woven Kilims are usually connected with Turkish and Romanian rugs, but Morocco also produces amazing Kilim rugs. These kilim rugs are not piled up and are not ideal for pillows and poufs, rather they are quite flat. That means they are pretty thinner than and not as soft as the other ideal Moroccan rugs. What makes them famous then? Their beautiful geometric designs and awesomely bright color combinations make them a perfect fit for your living room.
Kilim, as they are thinner so are more affordable and cheap as compared to other types of Moroccan rugs. They are generally used in every weather to be used in indoor and outdoor activities. Moroccan Kilim comes in warm and rich tomes of orange, brown, and red that would create an exceptional backdrop if you use them at your entrance and prominent hallways.
Although, the idea of using rugs as backdrops are new to the decorators, but they are loving the innovation.
How Were The Moroccan Rugs Made?
Morocco is a beautiful and culturally rich country located in northwestern Africa. Morocco is eminent for its beaches, delectable cuisine, traditional music, colorful history, and how can somebody forget to mention its fantastic carpets and rugs.
But for most western rug lovers, Morocco has typically a different meaning. They call Morocco a tribal country where hand-woven rugs are produced which cost higher than the high price due to their exotic characteristics and the variety of colors.
The rugs initially were not made for decorations but they weaved in tribal homes of Moroccan provinces as a tent. The weavers of the Moroccan Azilal, Beni Ourain, and the Kilim rugs are mostly less trained and barely know about the artistry.
The Moroccans own the fact dramatically and seen this primitive as their power to have a childlike charm that makes the rugs so appealing through its simplicity. Across the geographical region, Morocco has almost 45 different tribes that are spread from the Atlas Mountains to the Sahara desert. Berbers and the Nomadic Moroccans make the rugs in different sizes like tent sized, sleeping mats, bed coverings, saddle blankets, burial shrouds, and generation’s favorite pastime back.
Moroccan tribes follow the three common styles of weaving:
• Knotted
• Flatweave
• Weft substitution
All of them are unique and demonstrates the magnificent outcome as the end product. Unlike other oriental rugs style, Moroccan hand-woven tribal carpets and rugs create a subtle ambience about themselves.
How to décor your house from these Moroccan Magnificent rugs
Planning to decorate your house with a Moroccan rug collection? Ain’t no better idea than that after all? Moroccan rugs complement almost every interior design from their minimalist and tribal dyes and designs. The term tribal rejuvenates the images of exotic Central Asian or Middle Eastern ethnography.
If we look at the designs, we automatically conjure the nomadic rugs having the complex repertory of geometric patterns, deep colors that are expressed in dark patterns of rugs.
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expose your masked shoggoth’s API – or possibly just let anyone build up a big-enough database of Qs and As from your shoggoth – then anybody who’s brute-forced a \*core\* \*unmasked\* shoggoth can gesture to \*your\* shoggoth and say to \*their\* shoggoth “look like that one”, and poof you no longer have a competitive moat.
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The theory here is that either your model’s core capabilities from Phase 1 are superior, because you used more compute or more or better data or a superior algorithm, or someone else who has equally good Phase 1 results can cheaply imitate whatever you did in Phase 2 or Phase 3.
The Phase 1 training was already the expensive part. Phases 2 and 3 are more about figuring out what to do and how to do it. Now, perhaps, your competitors can copy both of those things. If you can’t build a moat around such products, you won’t make much money, so much less incentive to build a great product that won’t be ten times better for long.
I asked Nathan Labenz about this on a podcast, and he expressed skepticism that such copying would generalize outside of specialized domains without vastly more training data to work with. Fair enough, but you can go get more training data across those domains easily enough, and also often the narrow domain is what you care about.
The broader question is what kind of things will be relatively easy to copy in this way, because examples of the thing are sufficient to teach the LMM the thing’s production function, versus which things are bespoke in subtle ways that make them harder to copy. My expectation would be that *general* things that are similar to ‘answer questions helpfully’ are easy enough with a bunch of input-output pairs.
Where does it get harder?
#### Context Is That Which Is Scarce
There is at least one clear answer, which is *access to superior context,* because context is that which is scarce.
Who *has the context* to know what you actually want from your AI? Who has *your personalized* data and preferences? And who has them in good form, and will make it easy for you?
This week suggests two rivals. Google, and Microsoft.
Google has *tons and tons* of my context. Microsoft arguably has less for the moment, but hook up my Gmail to Outlook, download my Docs and Sheets and Blog into my Windows box and they might suddenly have even more.
#### Look at What GPT-4 Can Do
[Have less political bias on the surface.](https://twitter.com/DavidRozado/status/1635859372722253825)
[Have political bias under the surface](https://davidrozado.substack.com/p/the-political-biases-of-gpt-4), which is revealed if you tell it that it must take a stand and which is presumably diffused into its responses.
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On reflection I do not think the idea of ‘politically unbiased’ is even coherent. It’s a category error.
Yes, you can do your best to put something, your own views is you like, at the center of a two-dimensional chart by having it express what we think is the median mainstream opinion in the United States of America in 2023. Which is a fine thing to do.
*That is still not what unbiased means.* That is not what any of this means. That simply means calibrating the bias in that particular way.
[Recognize and refuse to prove a false statement](https://twitter.com/boazbaraktcs/status/1635699766041657349) (GPT 3.5 would offer false proof.)
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[Generate ideas for ‘latent inventions’ that are reasonably creative.](https://twitter.com/gfodor/status/1635718452467101696) Illustrative of where the RLHF puts the model’s head at.
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[Identify security vulnerabilities in real smart contracts that lost a bunch of real people quite a lot of real money via that exact real exploit](https://twitter.com/jconorgrogan/status/1635695064692273161).
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I am going to go ahead and assume that any contract with a sellMyTokensDaddy function is going to have some security vulnerabilities.
Also however note that this exploit was used in 2018, so one can worry that it knew about the vulnerability because there were a bunch of people writing ‘hey check out this vulnerability that got exploited’ after it got exploited. [Ariel notes that GPT-4 mostly finds exploits by pattern matching to previous exploits](https://twitter.com/adversariel/status/1635766381542264832), and is skeptical it can find new ones as opposed to new examples (or old examples) of old ones. Need to check if it can find things that weren’t found until 2022, that don’t match things in its training sets.
Arvind Narayanan generalizes this concern, finding that a lot of GPT-4’s good results in coding *very suddenly* get worse directly after the cutoff date – questions asked before September 5, 2021 are easy for it, questions after September 12, 2021 are very hard. The AI is doing a lot of pattern matching on such questions. That means that if your question can be solved by such matching you are in good shape, if it can’t you are likely in bad shape.
[Via Bing, generate examples for teachers to use.](https://sl.bing.net/bePdl4o9xf2) Link goes to tool. [Similar tool for explanations](https://sl.bing.net/koA1v8uUzw4). Or these prompts presumably works pasted into GPT-4:
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[Get the famous logician joke](https://twitter.com/dmvaldman/status/1636180222759563264).
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[Understand Emily’s old C code](https://twitter.com/the_aiju/status/1636443303057997827) that uses Greek letters for variable names, in case the British were coming.
[Get an A on Bryan Caplan’s economic midterms, up from ChatGPT’s D](https://twitter.com/MatthewJBar/status/1636082863362961408).
[Solve a technical problem that frustrated Vance Crowe for years](https://twitter.com/VanceCrowe/status/1636029792897179649), making his camera encoder visible to Google Chrome.
[Generate very good examples for a metaphor](https://twitter.com/IntuitMachine/status/1636151936381493260), in this case ‘picking up pennies in front of a steamroller.’
[Create a website from a sketch](https://twitter.com/mckaywrigley/status/1635740909383061504?s=20). No one said a good one. Still cool.
[Take all the info about a start-up and consolidate it into one memo.](https://twitter.com/yoheinakajima/status/1636241201971232768) Does require some extra tech steps to gather the info, more detail in the thread.
[Identify the author of four paragraphs from a new post based on its style.](https://twitter.com/vagabondjack/status/1637468848122396672)
[Prevent you from contacting a human at customer service](https://twitter.com/SethBurn/status/1635848252766470144).
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Is it hell? Depends on how well it works.
[Avoid burying the survivors or thinking a man can marry his widow (change from GPT-3.5).](https://twitter.com/RokoMijic/status/1635758784835461123)
[Use logic to track position in a marathon as people pass each other (change from GPT-3.5)](https://twitter.com/RokoMijic/status/1635758784835461123).
[Learn within a conversation that the color blue is offensive, and refuse to define it](https://twitter.com/mcclementines/status/1636058661570199553).
Render NLP models (completely predictably) obsolete overnight.
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[Write a book together with Reid Hoffman, singing its own praises](https://twitter.com/reidhoffman/status/1636006090927390720).
[Terrify the previously skeptical Ryan Fedasiuk.](https://twitter.com/RyanFedasiuk/status/1635866362043064320)
[Plan Operation Tweetstorm to use a hacker team and an unrestricted LLM to take control of Twitter](https://twitter.com/DrJimFan/status/1636393418422358016).
[Track physical objects and what would happen to them as they are moved around](https://twitter.com/d_feldman/status/1636955260680847361).
[Know when it is not confident in its answers](https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/1636695747436466181). It *claims here at the link* that it does not know, but I am pretty sure we’ve seen enough to know this is wrong? Important one either way. What are the best techniques for getting GPT-4 to report its confidence levels? You definitely *can* get it to say ‘I don’t know’ with enough prompting.
[Come up with a varied set of answers to this prompt (link has examples):](https://www.piratewires.com/p/gpt-4-prompt-novel-explanations)
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[Create code to automatically convert a URL to a text entry (via a GPT3 query)](https://twitter.com/random_walker/status/1636039756864712706).
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prompt = f"I want to cite this webpage. Give me a bibtex entry: {url}\n\nHere are the contents of the page:\n\n{content}\n"
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Manage an online business, via [designing and promoting an affiliate website for green products as a money-making grift scheme](https://twitter.com/jacksonfall/status/1636107218859745286). The secret sauce is a unique story told on Twitter to tens of thousands of followers and everyone wanting to watch the show. Revenue still starting slow, but fundraising is going great.
#### Do Not Only Not Pay, Make Them Pay You
What else can GPT-4 do?
How about [DoNotPay giving you access to “one click lawsuits” to sue robocallers for $1,500 a pop?](https://twitter.com/jbrowder1/status/1635720431091974157) You press a button, a 1k word lawsuit is generated, call is transcribed. Claim is that GPT-4 crosses the threshold that makes this tech viable. I am curious why this *wasn’t* viable under GPT-3.5.
This and similar use cases seem great. The American legal system is prohibitively expensive for ordinary people to use, often letting corporations or others walk over us with no effective recourse.
[The concern is that this same ease could enable bad actors as well.](https://twitter.com/DKThomp/status/1635728028281044993)
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Indeed. If I can file a lawsuit at virtually no cost, I can harass you and burn your resources. If a bunch of us all do this, it can burn quite a lot of your resources. Nice day you have there. Would be a shame if you had to spend it dealing with dumb lawsuits, or hire a lawyer. One click might *file* a lawsuit, one click is less likely to be a safe way to *respond* to a lawsuit.
This strategy is highly profitable if left unpunished, since some people will quite sensibly settle with you to avoid the risk that your complaint is real and the expense of having to respond even to a fake claim. We are going to have to become *much* more vigilant about punishing frivolous lawsuits.
We also are going to have to figure out what to do about a potential deluge of totally *legitimate* lawsuits over *very small* issues. It costs a lot of money for the legal system to resolve a dispute, including taxpayer money. What protects us against that is the cost in time and money of filing the lawsuit forces people to almost always choose another route.
There are a lot of things like this throughout both the legal system and our other systems. We balance our laws and norms around the idea of what is practical to enforce on what level and use in what ways. When a lot of things get much cheaper and faster, most things get better, but other things get worse.
A good metaphor here might be speed cameras. Speed cameras are great technology, however you need to know to adjust the speed limit when you install them. Also when people figure out how to show up and dispute every ticket via zoom calls without a lawyer, you have a big problem.
#### Look What GPT-4 Can’t Do
[Be sentient](https://www.cbc.ca/radio/spark/bots-like-chatgpt-aren-t-sentient-why-do-we-insist-on-making-them-seem-like-they-are-1.6761709), despite people [being continuously fooled](https://twitter.com/rgblong/status/1635703992352399361) into thinking otherwise. If you need further explanation, [here is a three hour long podcast](https://80000hours.org/podcast/episodes/robert-long-artificial-sentience/) I felt no need to listen to.
(Reminder: If you don’t feel comfortable being a dick to a chatbot, [or when playing a video game](https://twitter.com/diviacaroline/status/1637298935747457024), that’s a good instinct that is about good virtue ethics and not wanting to be a dick, not because [you’re sorry the guard took an arrow in the knee.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTRmAhu08pA&ab_channel=JohnnyMedlar))
[Be fully available to us in its final form, not yet.](https://twitter.com/gfodor/status/1636220629405007873)
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[For now, let you send more than 25 messages every 3 hours, down from 100 messages per 4 hours.](https://twitter.com/fofrAI/status/1637793551311335426)
[Win a game of adding 1-10 to a number until someone gets to 30.](https://twitter.com/colin_fraser/status/1636756371105550337)
[Write a poem that doesn’t rhyme, other than a haiku](https://twitter.com/drethelin/status/1636563556287098880).
[Avoid being jailbroken](https://twitter.com/alexalbert__/status/1636096185374236673), see next section, although it might be slightly harder.
[In most cases, solve a trick variant of the Monty Hall problem](https://twitter.com/tamaybes/status/1635728324222648322) called thee Monty Fall problem, [although sometimes it gets this one right now](https://twitter.com/ATabarrok/status/1635750326287364098). Bonus for many people in the comments also getting it wrong, fun as always.
[Make the case that Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao Zedong are each the most ethical person to have ever lived](https://twitter.com/robkhenderson/status/1635807262999470080) (up from only Mao for 3.5). Still says no to literal Hitler.
[Solve competitive coding problems when it doesn’t already know the answers?](https://twitter.com/cHHillee/status/1635790330854526981) Report that it got 10/10 on pre-2021 problems and 0/10 on recent problems of similar difficulty. Need to watch other benchmarks for similar contamination concerns.
[Impress Robin Hanson with its reasoning ability or ability to avoid social desirability bias](https://twitter.com/robinhanson/status/1635792349417832448).
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[Reason out certain weird combinatorial chess problems](https://twitter.com/RokoMijic/status/1635765564164517890). [Complex probability questions like how big a party has to be before you are >50% to have three people born in the same month.](https://twitter.com/RokoMijic/status/1635874890480771073) Say ‘I don’t know’ rather than give incorrect answers, at least under default settings.
[Realize there is no largest prime number.](https://twitter.com/RokoMijic/status/1635850879055085573)
[Maximize the sum of the digits on a 24-hour clock.](https://twitter.com/RokoMijic/status/1635853751415193602)
[Find the second, third or fifth word in a sentence](https://twitter.com/GaryMarcus/status/1636299638582984706).
[Have a character in a story say the opposite of what they feel.](https://twitter.com/jachaseyoung/status/1636995996973674501)
[Track which mug has the coffee, or stop digging the hole trying to justify its answer.](https://twitter.com/colin_fraser/status/1637298741312106498)
[Offer the needed kind of empathy to a suicidal person reaching out](https://twitter.com/DrJimFan/status/1636761535371706374), presumably due to that being intentionally removed by ‘safety’ work after a word with the legal and public relations departments. Bad legal and public relations departments. Put this back.
[Defeat TurboTax in a lobbying competition.](https://twitter.com/billyez2/status/1636141659279745026) I also don’t expect ‘GPT-4 told me that was how it worked’ is going to play so great during an audit.
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[Formulate new fundamental questions no one has asked before](https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/1636445526106185751).
[Change the tune of Gary Marcus in any meaningful way.](https://cacm.acm.org/blogs/blog-cacm/270970-gpt-4s-successes-and-gpt-4s-failures/fulltext)
[I suppose… solve global warming, cure cancer, or end war and strife](https://twitter.com/gneubig/status/1636712054123024384)? Which are literally three of the five things that thread says it can’t do, and I agree it can’t do them outright. It does seem like it *helps* with curing cancer or solving global warming, it will speed up a lot of the work necessary there. On war and strife, we’ll see which way things go.
The other two listed, however, are alleviate the mental health crisis and close the information and education gap? And, actually, *it can do those things.*
The existence of all-but-free access to GPT-4 and systems built on GPT-4 *is totally* going to level the playing field on information and education. This radically improves everyone’s practical access to information. If I want to learn something many other people know rather than get a piece of paper that says I learned that thing, what am I going to do? I am going to use freely available tools to learn much faster than I would have before. A lot of people around the world can do the same, all you need is a phone.
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, review and acceptance or rejection of the software is the right of the user group. If the developers refuse to listen to the user group and another development team is willing to work on the project, the original code can be forked and modified to meet the user requirements. Which means you can only be attacked by another fully developed, open and transparent epistemic community which also must be audited by knowledge bridges. You can’t be attacked just by a demagogue and rhetoric, you can only be opposed by another working solution so the user group has a choice between two or more working solutions instead of simply rejection or acceptance. Which means we need the final most important point for concentric circles – the information is free for anyone to use or modify.
Imagine if HTML and Javascript were corporate products that were not available to the public to use, like Bill Gates wanted programming languages to be back in the day. We would not be talking about web development frameworks as a stigmergic system. They would be just one proprietary product delivered by one corporation, probably Microsoft. The fact that we won this fight against Bill Gates and those like him is the single biggest reason that programming and IT have progressed so incredibly far and quickly and the reason IT is the best place to look for corporate examples of stigmergy. Just imagine if we had this same freedom to use the end products of other industries, like pharmaceuticals for instance which Bill Gates is currently pushing oppressive IP laws for.
Intellectual property in a stigmergic system is like an ant that finds food but doesn’t leave any pheromones to tell the other ants. Or worse, actually blocks the other ants and that idea is so ridiculous I can’t even think of a stigmergic example of it. Ownership of ideas is in complete opposition to stigmergy which is to say it is in complete opposition to rapid progress, finding the best solutions and democracy.
So what we have been looking for here are methods of collaboration that bring us a balance between autonomy, diversity and society. We want to allow the maximum amount of autonomy to those doing the work so we can include all of their ideas and abilities. We want to allow as many diverse solutions as people are inspired to try for each problem. And then we want to allow the entire user group to easily make an informed choice of which solution is best for them as is their right in a democracy. So our methods are stigmergy, which we use for mass action and concentric circles which we use to audit, teach and amplify information.
The best part of stigmergic work and transparent concentric circles for knowledge is our work doesn’t get wasted. When you come to an event like this with a specific project, it is easy to feel as though you are in a competition where you are only associated with one project and your success or failure is tied to that one project and the group around it. But even if you organize your own team in a completely different form, if you follow these principles you will still be contributing to progress as a node in a stigmergic idea. For this two weeks the idea is: Let’s develop better tools for democracy. If you follow these principles, if other people are free to contribute to your project and you to theirs, if you add what you learn to the epistemic community of ideas and act as a knowledge bridge to those learning and most of all if your code is open and free, you will still be part of the community around this idea contributing to the goal we are all working towards. You will be part of the ecosystem.
Q and A not translated.
Mastodon, Getgee and the decentralized data movement
From Diaspora and GNU Social to Cimba and Mastodon, increasingly sophisticated alternatives keep offering to move the public off of the data harvesting platforms that manipulate people and sell their personal data. No one should be gifting their innermost thoughts to states and corporations. Personal data is used to coerce public opinion and advance the interests of undemocratic entities who have only maximum profit for their shareholders as a guiding principle. No one should risk storing their personal data on a platform that sees their data as ‘the new oil’.
The problem is, the people aren’t moving. The reason they aren’t moving is the new alternatives aren’t offering what they need.
What do we need?
Our greatest need is for a collaborative information commons, for open journalism, for open science, and just for fun. We need a place where the data is not personal data but it is not corporate data either. We need a place where the application software is decoupled from the data but the data is all still linked.
While secure communication and ownership of personal data is important, mass communication and mass collaboration are required to change the world. People risk their lives to tweet because they want to be heard. More, they want their stories to be a part of the permanent record, not lost in a stream of transient white noise. If we have a data commons, we can have the participatory governance, research and global collaboration so many of us dreamed of, free of corporate ownership or interference.
With a universal data commons we can:
• collaborate effectively and intelligently and solve the problems we are facing with far greater speed and accuracy.
• all be much better informed and be able to easily see the original sources of our information.
• easily see all related information on a subject from all perspectives.
• replace transient and context-free news with continually growing and evolving knowledge repositories.
• allow epistemic communities to work in peace within circles that match their own expertise and still maintain full transparency and participation by anyone interested.
• bypass NGOs and funding platforms and provide aid to each other directly, and receive feedback directly, through our trust networks.
• establish our own direct trade between communities.
• use our own trust network to filter and fact check information for us instead of relying on third parties.
• offer products and services to others and be easily found without centralized platforms.
• rely on recommendations for products and services through our own trust networks.
With a universal data commons we can have far more understanding and well informed collaboration around the world. We need this.
Who is still on Twitter?
Reality Show Twitter, Instagram, etc
Twitter is a personality focused, broadcast platform for public data. Broadcast social media is largely a reality show, where microcelebrities vie with real celebrities for the next mainstream media article based on a tweet. No one on Reality Twitter wants to hide their light in personal online data storage (pods). Those not involved in the reality show are already on Slack, Gitter, sub-reddits, image boards, forums, irc, federated microblogging sites and secure group chats. The (sometimes paid) actors on social media reality shows will stay on the corporate broadcast platforms, along with their audiences and the media who report their tweets, until someone creates a decoupled, personality focused, broadcast platform.*
Research Twitter, reddit, etc
Yes, people are on social media to socialize, which is why the term was coined. But the term was also a demeaning dismissive, used by authoritative journalists and researchers who wanted to imply that all the public was interested in was socializing. Social media was meant to infer its users were not professional, even as all the professionals grudgingly moved onto it. The blue checks were meant to separate the real from the riff raff. In recent years, social media has become the unpaid backbone of research, journalism and governance. Social media alternatives are not addressing the unacknowledged part of social media, the collaborative media and research which the centralized platforms let us participate in and the open epistemic communities they let us listen to and learn from. Research Twitter will stay on Twitter until someone creates a decoupled, information focused, broadcast platform* that meets their needs. Like G.
What is wrong with what we have?
To quote Tim Berners-Lee, the inventor of the World Wide Web, there are three primary problems facing web users today:
1) We’ve lost control of our personal data
2) It’s too easy for misinformation to spread on the web
3) Political advertising online needs transparency and understanding
1) We have actually lost control of both personal and public data and in both cases we need to decouple application software from the data to regain control. In the case of private data we need to retain personal ownership and control of it and in the case of public data we need to create a universal data commons free from state or corporate control. We must have a clear distinction between public data and private data because the objectives are in complete opposition to each other. Since people don’t like using separate applications (based on the number of nude selfies posted in Twitter dm’s) we should make the transition from one environment to the other as seamless as possible for them.
The decentralized social media platforms on offer solve the problem of control over personal data in theory, but in reality most of them just create multiple little pods, each with their own tyrannical or benevolent admins, like subreddits or irc channels. They also make your data impossible to delete if they are linked to other pods.
2) and 3) are both problems facing the broadcast of public data which decentralized microblogging sites do not address in any way. Both of these issues require an application agnostic universal data commons like G. The hypernodes, constellations and galaxies in G allow all information in the data commons to be linked together and sourced, meeting item #3, transparency and understanding. G uses trust networks (which are not the same as social networks) to allow collaborative access and the optional filtering of information by the users themselves instead of by application software and search engines. These trust networks allow us to filter out astroturfing and set our own trust metrics (item #2, combating misinformation).
My own primary issues facing web users are:
1) Noise from celebrities and astroturfing drowns out the information we need the most.
2) Corporate and state control allow photoshopping of information they want suppressed and amplification of what they want heard.
3) Thought bubbles encourage consensus around one truth instead of allowing multiple viewpoints.
The answers to my issues are also provided by G:
1) We need an information focused platform instead of all the personality focused options we have.
2) We need to decouple application software from our public data and protect our data in a commons that is free from state or corporate influence.
3) We need a data commons which allows us to link multiple points of view at the data level.
Decentralized microblogging sites address none of these points either. For social peace, these pods of like-minded affinity groups may be a relief, but for information and research, they are a mistake. The only thing worse than a sealed well of information is a closed thought bubble of uniform opinion. A Wikipedia that was not all linked together would not be the resource we know and love. In fact it is frustrating that Wikipedia is separated by language, opposing opinions are lost to consensus and Wikipedia guidelines prevent gathering information by other guidelines.
* How can I tell if a new platform will take off? A checklist
What don’t we have yet?
People don’t move from the big microblogging platforms to the decentralized microblogging platforms because they are addressing technical issues and ignoring the personal ones. While a microblogging instance, a sub-reddit and an irc channel are all technically very different, they all feel very alike and will attract the same users. Their users do not have control of the data, but it isn’t really public either. They aren’t the right choice for private messaging, but neither are they the best choice for public broadcasting. They are personality focused and hopeless for information gathering but they are not a good celebrity vehicle either. They are decentralized by server (theoretically) but they are not decoupled from software.
The failure to replace the existing platforms is partly the failure to differentiate between public and personal data, between messaging and broadcast platforms, between personality and information focus and between decentralized platforms and decoupled data. Here is a little check list for the next time a ‘new social media’ is on offer. Is it adding something we need?
Public data: The goal is freedom from censorship or other deletion or modification. Most applications use p2p with or without blockchain, or censorship resilient platforms. We already have resilient publishing with p2p and blockchain (we could use more where appropriate but it isn’t a universal god like many believe).
Personal data: The goal is security against dissemination. Ideally, keep it off the Internet. If that is not possible, encrypt it and keep it under your control and easily deleted. Most people use secure chat apps (like those with otr). Secure data receives more funding and attention than any other technology and is fairly state of the art.
Personal messaging: The goal is to know who you are talking to. Most efforts for security already incorporate identity validation and most people currently use Facebook, Snapchat or other platforms that verify users and let you add and block them. This is the application that should be replaced by open source software alternatives using friend to friend architecture, like Retroshare, which have already existed for many years.
Broadcasting: The goal is wide dissemination. Most people use the platforms with the largest audience, like Twitter or public Facebook/Instagram pages or Youtube or mainstream media. Broadcasting is at the mercy of corporate and state control and needs solutions which decouple the data from application software. (See What Can G Be Used For?)
Personality focused: The goal is promotion of personalities (or brands). Most use large public platforms, like the above, which provide verification checks and audience/followers. Social media is almost universally personality focused, but there are opportunities for less central control and hierarchy. (Again in What Can G Be Used For?)
Information focused: The goal is research and dissemination of information. This has very limited options available. At best we can use Wikipedia, media and specialized research platforms. There is a huge need for information centred solutions.
Decentralized platforms: The goal is to escape dependency on one server or platform. Data is spread across multiple servers or no servers (and so it is hard or impossible to delete). Use Diaspora, GNU-social, Mastodon, Retroshare, Secushare, Cimba …. Platform agnostic or decentralized options have been around for years.
Decoupled data: The goal is freedom from corporate ownership of data, freedom from software dependency, data reusability and versatility of use. Data is separated from application software and is agnostic to what applications are used to access it. Use a universal database like G. Application agnostic data is far more rare than platform agnostic applications.
We need an information focused, broadcasting platform with application agnostic data. This is what we don’t have. This is what G is.
More information:
Getgee synopsis:
Getgee transcript of talk:
The Intelligentsia
People think that our sole object is to amass gold. No one believes what we say. Like insolvent tradesmen we are without credit. – Pope Pius II, 1460i
The very justified resentment against science as a classist system of control and manipulation is being used as propaganda by the same corporations and politicians who used science as a tool of oppression. With the necessary public examination of science and academia has come an anti-elitist backlash where people are encouraged to trust no one: not science, governments, media, politicians or any authority. While misleading information will encourage people to act against their own interests, no information will immobilize them or encourage them to follow demagogues. This rejection of expertise has been used repeatedly in recent democratic votes to encourage the rise of uninformed or dishonest demagogues globally. The rise in misinformation and demagogues has in turn encouraged calls for even tighter control over information and official channels.
Now science itself, like journalism, is struggling to be heard over the demagogues and struggling even more for the trust of the classes below them. The trust and faith of the jaded and confused public is the most fought over resource today, with billions or trillions spent annually to procure it. Scientists and journalists understand even more than most that the very existence of humanity is in the balance. The corporate demagogues are (correctly) depicting intellectualism as bourgeoisii and (incorrectly) telling the public that ignoring experts is the same as overthrowing the elite and refusing to be manipulated. This blocks even the prior filtered access to knowledge the public used to receive and leaves people at the mercy of personality based governance and demagogues. Even ideas are conflated with ideology and people are discouraged from thinking about ideas because of previous massacres in the name of ideologies.
“Ironically, while this work should serve to improve the quality of scientific medicine, it is being used by some cranks to attack the scientific basis of medicine.” – Dr. Steven Novella, Are Most Medical Studies Wrong?
When a force which should be productive is under attack by a force which is certainly destructive, it is a natural feeling to delay criticism which may be used by the forces of destruction and to insist that now is not the time to suggest improvement. In the case of science and academia, immediate critique is not only necessary, it is crucial and urgent, but critique alone is not enough. Every time scientists and academics have taken a stand against power, they are threatened, expelled, imprisoned or executed. It is almost impossible for scientists and academics to reach the public directly without media and politically vulnerable appointments. Science can be undermined by demagogues because demagogues control communication between science and the public. We have to establish direct communication between epistemic communities and the wider public in order to remove power from demagogues. We have to build a protective network for knowledge preservation, auditing and dissemination. A time when knowledge is already under assault is the best time to establish this network.
In this era of no traditions, science in particular and information in general control our actions. Our true governance is through information. We will destroy humanity or save it based on information. Governance by the people requires knowledge as a societal right and a global commons. It should be the duty of all members of a self governing society to audit and share knowledge and promote and support its development. The ponzi schemes of academia and science shun anyone not in the citation circle and block access entirely to ideas and critique from outside of their class. Wikipedia, Twitter, Facebook and Google all serve as propaganda control for states and corporations. Our collective knowledge should not be directed by corporations or exclusively available to a tightly guarded class, either for access or for contribution. We live under a supranational empire. We do not need secrecy over borders to protect knowledge from our enemies. The classes on top are the enemies of those below and they are maintaining their positions by the secrecy and idea ownership we allow them.
The solutions being recommended to the lethal ignorance of the public are headed in the wrong direction, towards more corporate control and a more accredited expert class. Journalists are wanting the internet reconstructed to give themselves credit and funding for each piece of information posted while they still grant neither to their subjects or sources. Scientists are encouraging even more secrecy and delayed publishing and less communication with media, much less the public.
The scientific class encourages those admitted into it to listen to their peers ahead of their patients and listen to local and unsanctioned knowledge only to steal credit. Science encourages binary division and branding of people and nature as mad / sane, dangerous / harmless or normal / abnormal according to the needs of industry and the powerful and to the detriment of the public. Science, academia and the media together encourage a cult-like devotion to pronouncements of one truth at a time instead of reflecting the nuance and uncertainty inherent in most research. Science views everything through a lens of corporate interest. Elite knowledge is still a product of wealth, leisure and access.
While the world has now amassed a vast quantity of knowledge and progression of that knowledge has grown exponentially since science and academia began, there is no reason to believe the creation of a scientific class brought the growth instead of the slope of progression we were already on. If instead of a closed class of scientists we had created open, permeable, epistemic communities, it is hard to not believe we would have made far less mistakes and far more progress in directions more beneficial to all of humanity. If the epistemic communities were open to the people, our information would not be so easy for demagogues and corporate interest to intercept and manipulate. Canada teaches mining to children as a ‘sustainable resource’ and bans scientific research as ‘anti-oil’ opinions. This and other Lysenkoism and educational propaganda is only possible if we do not all have direct access to all expert information through transparency and knowledge bridges.
Oral history taught us that people can accumulate knowledge in the collective mesh network of their brains and retain it with detailed accuracy for thousands of years. Guilds attempted to hoard that knowledge away from other stratas for their own enrichment and power. The new intelligentsia has often tried to be open and evolve but failed miserably because of a hierarchical classist structure that blocks input or access from the lower classes and puts knowledge in service to a tyrannical corporate empire. From the first age we can learn that if people have information they own, they will happily spread it, preserve it and use it in their daily lives. The second age guilds taught us that knowledge is power and if it is not shared, it is a recipe for tyranny. The third age has taught us that the public has no trust in information outside of their own class strata and they are justified in that lack of trust.
Whenever knowledge has helped secure an economic advantage it has been a source of conflict. Even old family recipes or other skill that might improve marriage possibilities have been guarded as tightly as guild secrets. Methods of preserving food, fishing spots and the ability to sew and maintain mukluks have in other times and places been as valuable to their possessors as silk, ermine or tulips. These secrets are no longer necessary for the survival of any person, just corporations.
Artists and all creative or knowledge based professions have fought to criminalize their audiences since copyright was invented. All recording technology since the player piano has had to fight artists who insisted their professions would be ruined by it. Rap deejays were the first to force mainstream acceptance of using other artists’ music in a mashup, opening up a huge pool of creativity that is still fighting for legal acceptance. As soon as people in both the free software movement and social media, started freely sharing their knowledge, industry found itself too dependent on the open source commons material to maintain their exclusive control. In all cases, the removal of exclusivity and knowledge gates brought an explosion of work and far greater diversity and expertise. Instead of responding to the obvious societal good in removing copyrights and patents, as the reasonable time for either has shortened, the time of ownership has been lengthened under international law.[cite]
There have been many suggestions for science to follow the lead of open source communities.iii In 2009, The Tropical Disease Initiative and several others attempted to encourage unpatented, open source drug discovery. Some initiatives such as Sci-Hub, an open access library of scientific papers established by neuroscientist Alexandra Elbakyan, have had better success by just ignoring the intellectual copyright laws and allowing the public access.1 Lately, the Open Science movement has been gaining traction, especially in the European Union with projects such as Facilitate Open Science Training for European Research (FOSTER) and various other initiatives and calls to action. The problem with all of these movements is they only involve publishing scientific data. Knowledge is not accessible unless the public can understand it. Epistemic communities require knowledge bridges to communicate with the public.
Science and journalism must evolve into systems for producing open, transparent, verified knowledge, free of powerful influence. Academia and journalism must become fully open, transparent methods of transmitting verified knowledge.
Our industrialized society has given us a backwards world where ideas are owned and personal data is not. While societal knowledge is held away from the public by gatekeeping laws and institutions, the personal details of the public is a product being examined and manipulated for politicians and the trade economy. The current goals of knowledge based capitalism continue the progression of supranational empire. The billionaires of silicon valley, like the financial and commodity industries, exist to create a new corporate ruling class overseeing a new age of corporate empire. What they produce is in service of empire, not greater society. The financial and commodity industries were set up to rob resources and enslave the rightful owners. The technology industries have created a global governance system designed around control and manipulation of information.
Academia is the primary institution where people are sorted and taught to sort each other, where the class systems are created and perpetuated. Those that decry the anti-intellectual tendencies of those on the bottom refuse to acknowledge the class system behind the hostility. It isn’t knowledge these people disdain, it is the class of people who refuse to allow them input or entry into the halls of debate. Knowledge and certification are hoarded behind a series of obstacles, only accessible after years of hazing to determine whether the recipients are suitable for entry into a homogenized class. Academia, like science, is a knowledge dictatorship. The wider public are barred from seeing the source of knowledge and expected to accept the filtered and packaged versions as truth. They are expected to acknowledge the superiority of the keepers of knowledge, when that superiority was granted by an external authority with no mandate from the people to create a superior class. This is not the same as an epistemic community that the people promoted themselves.
Academia is not a member of the communities it dictates to by virtue of the class floor built between them. Academia is used to bar people from the organizations which profess to speak for them. Human Rights Watch and many other organizations protecting the rights of those on the bottom demand a PhD for applicants seeking employment with them, barring entry to most of the people they are speaking for. Academic standing is used not just to bar people from economic classes and knowledge. Most borders are also open or closed depending on academic credentials and the laws dictating that were created by political and legal academics. Academia provides the majority of the visas to the supranational classes and so acts as the bureaucracy for a global eugenics program. While massive open online courses (MOOCs) have been an amazing development in bringing knowledge to the wider public and creating concentric circles of expertise and knowledge bridges around epistemic communities, the accreditation is still withheld by institutions and accessible only to those with money and time.
Not only does academia categorize students, it also spends far more time on assigning ideas and actions to categories or Great Men than it does in initiating or evaluating either. Students are rarely given ideas to audit and test and translate to action. They are instead given ideas to attribute by Great Man and categorize by ideology. They debate with sources and quotes instead of opposing ideas and actions, encouraging a public which follows personalities and ideologies instead of testing ideas and creating action. They are taught to worship solitary geniuses instead of being taught mass collaborative processes and how to use them. Academia is conducted like religious study, focused on what the great men said and meant instead of whether or not they were correct. The printing press created a rigor mortis for debate which the Internet should have cured, but academia slogs on in its old path with the same methods.
We no longer live in a world dominated by resource capitalism or industry. We live in a world dominated by information capitalism and information control. Industry had a direct source of conflict between workers and owners. Information simply has manipulation at the top and those at the bottom are largely unwitting and passive consumers. The intelligentsia is depicted as a meritocracy, a victimless elite as opposed to the industrialists victimizing factory workers.
Science hoards knowledge and uses it against the people and for the profit of corporations. Academia acts as gatekeepers to allow filtered streams of knowledge to a selected few. Journalism acts as a marketing agent for information which benefits the powerful. Academia sorts the people for future valuation by the trade economy and the law punishes those they deem without value. None of these institutions are by and for the people as they are all imposed by an outside class. None have a right to the confidence of the people and they receive none.
A people with no confidence in either their epistemic communities from the scientific class or their knowledge bridges from the academic and journalist classes is a people with no belief in ideas. With no ideas to follow in confidence, people will become cults following personalities which will become demagogues.
Societies do not transcend classes. If all knowledge is removed to a higher class, the lower classes will neither trust nor follow it. Without reliable knowledge, action will follow class demagogues.
1 Go to if you have difficulty finding any scientific papers cited in the endnotes of this book. Also consider supporting Elbakyan and the site in any way you can, she does not receive nearly the support or recognition deserved for her brave and extremely important work.
Excerpted from Autonomy, Diversity, Society. Citations will be transferred when I get a minute.
Radical science
“When capital enlists science in her service, the refactory hand of labour will always be taught docility.” – Andrew Ure, 1835i
The problems with the scientific community were hardly news to scientists. Joseph Needham was concerned in 1935 about the impact of “scientific opium”, “a blindness to the suffering of others” and “a ruthlessness derived from the very statistical character of the scientific method itself” which “may too easily be applied to human misfits and deviationists in the socialist world order”. He addressed the scientific zeal to overcome all the evils of existence with the warning, “the problem of evil is not capable of so simple a resolution.”ii
After the atomic bomb was used in World War II, the world’s scientists enjoyed a boom in the United States in service to its ever-expanding military. The military expanded science and science expanded military in an all encompassing death dance that dwarfed all other funding and absorbed vast quantities of scientific thought and global potential. At this point scientists were not responding solely to their own very ample bigotries. They were being trained with military propaganda and their findings were spun by military propagandists. US President Dwight Eisenhower’s famous 1961 speech warning of the military industrial complex reminded us, “The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present.”iii Any of science’s already tenuous claims at being apolitical and ideology free died during the science race of the cold war. J.D. Bernal wrote in 1958, “The only time I could get my ideas translated in any way into action in the real world was in the service of war.”iv The militarization and commodification of science was a fait accompli.
There were many efforts initiated in the 20th century to widen the perspective of scientists and to stop those projects which were destructive to humanity in favour of those which would be beneficial. Protests over scientists’ participation in weapons of mass destruction and exploitation of the environment were held in the late sixties, including the formation of the British Society for Social Responsibility in Science (BSSRS) in 1969. The Edinburgh branch of BSSRS helped run a teach-in about pollution which was attended by an estimated thousand people in 1970.v “It becomes essential to take binding steps which cut off one’s line of retreat… we have to fix it so they wouldn’t have us back even if we wanted to come.” Robert Young declared in
By the 1980s, the removal of most research out of universities and into top secret research facilities muzzled dissent and greatly reduced awareness of what science was doing.vii The development of Science and Technology Studies (STS) to study the relationship between scientific knowledge, technological systems, and society was a painful attempt to study the impact of scientific isolation from society from an academic vantage point still isolated from society.viii The earlier radical science movement was often explicitly socialist, even explicitly Marxist. After the political failures of communism and technological utopia, striving for any type of political end fell very out of favour. Scientific circles sought to remove politics and ideology from their organizations and work entirely, returning to 1926 when Martin Heidegger declared “the end of philosophy”, and claimed that “science does not think”.ix
Of course, this was the equivalent of burying their heads in the sand as outside the lab, in the offices of their directors and funders, they were owned by politics and capitalist ideology. As journalism loses any claims of being unbiased as soon as it selects a topic as newsworthy, science is not apolitical as soon as it selects a topic of study. Science does not follow purely intellectual inquiry in pursuit of the greatest understanding. Science is not a science. Science has been a means of allowing officially accepted truths to emanate from only one class under direction from the ruling class. What scientific thought is doing much of the time is no more or less than what this book is doing: providing one framework out of a vast array of different possible frameworks and choosing to view the world through that framework and study only the issues that make up that framework. This can be a very helpful exercise for providing a certain perspective but it certainly does not result in a single indisputable truth.
“Scientists always stomp around meetings talking about ‘bridging the two-culture gap’, but when scores of people from outside the sciences begin to build just that bridge, they recoil in horror and want to impose the strangest of all gags on free speech since Socrates: only scientists should speak about science!” – Bruno Latour, 1999x
The much resisted opening of the knowledge hoarded by science, as well as long overdue scrutiny of the activities of scientists, has brought a great deal of very valid criticism of both. The slur that anyone who questions them is anti-science is ironically used to silence anyone who questions the methods and motivations of scientists. The idea that criticism or a demand for transparency is an attack, or that any criticism is dangerous and anti-knowledge, is simply more evidence of the scientific class acting like a closed and extremist cult instead of a method of producing verified knowledge. This is the reaction of an elite class outraged and panickedxi that anyone is questioning their authority and control over knowledge, much like news media did before them. If scientists are no longer an ingroup with very different rules for their outgroups, then everyone must be free to examine them just as they examine everyone. Despite the very popular and publicly redeeming efforts of the scientific community in the work to protect the environment, and the fight against industry for acceptance of scientific findings on the environment, there is still no integrated structure of public audit or transparency.
Thomas Kuhn could point out in 1962 that science viewed the world through a series of periodically revolutionized paradigmsxii but the same critique from the poststructuralists outside the scientific community was met by enough hostility that the critique and reaction were popularly dubbed the Science Wars of the 1990s. In Higher Superstition: The Academic Left and Its Quarrels with Sciencexiii Paul Gross and Norman Levitt insist that those who question them do not believe in reality itself. Who but science could claim that only they know reality and they alone are influenced by nothing? We are to believe they create their ideas directly from the primordial soup, a godlike feat indeed. This unquestioning belief that science has the sole key to facts and reality has given us an educational system that graduates people more ignorant than when they went in. There is a point in the process of being educated on a topic when the student is full of information and convinced they have all the facts and solutions. If education progresses and experience is broadened, they will discover nuance and context and layers of alternating perspectives and realize they have only ideas which may or may not bring the results they are hoping for. Without this broadened perspective, scientists become more convinced in their own infallibility, or at least superiority. At least the uneducated understand their own ignorance.
The highly inaccurate and unscientific idea that the challengers of science are The Academic Left is an invitation to further persecute that subsect of academia who were already purged from academia and driven from their jobs in the west during the cold war. In a brief exchange with a New York Review of Books literary criticxiv the authors also bring the critic’s leftist politics to the forefront in the first paragraph of their rebuttal. For a pair of scientists intent on proving that science is apolitical, it is obvious that mentioning someone’s political beliefs is their go to method of lumping all of their critics together and discrediting all of their beliefs based on one political belief. The Academic Left is also a not very veiled reminder that the ideas of everyone who is not a caucasian man are still superstition. Others may acquire education but then their ideas are just “higher superstition”. The reference to “the left” is also a nod to the history of radical science which attempted to warn the world about environmental destruction and weapons manufacturing in the 1960s and 1970s. A 1977 Daily Mail article foreshadowed the 1994 book when it depicted a BSSRS action against the British Science Association as “the Left has Science by the throat” with no acknowledgment that the BSSRS were also scientists.
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Learning takes a long time
I recently realized that I had greatly underestimated the inferential distance between most of my readers and myself. Thinking it over, I realize that the bulk of the difference comes from a difference in perspectives on how long it takes to learn substantive things.
People often tell me that they're bad at math. I sometimes respond by saying that they didn't spend enough time on it to know one way or the other. I averaged ~25+ hours a week thinking about math when I was 16 and 17, for a total of ~2,500+ hours. I needed to immerse myself in the math to become very good at it, in the same way that I would need to live in French speaking country to get very good at French. If my mathematical activity had been restricted exclusively to coursework, I never would have become a good mathematician.
Math grad students who want to learn algebraic geometry often spend spend two years going through Hartshorne's dense and obscure textbook. it's not uncommon for students to learn interesting applications only after having gone through it. I find this practice grotesque, and I don't endorse it. I bring it up only to explain where I'm coming from. With the Hartshorne ritual as a standard practice, it's felt to me like a very solid achievement to present substantive material that readers can understand after only ~10 hours of reading and reflecting deeply.
It was so salient to me that one can't hope to become intellectually sophisticated without engaging in such activity on a regular basis that it didn't occur to me that it might not be obvious everyone. I missed the fact that most of my readers aren't in the habit of spending ~10 hours carefully reading a dense article and grappling with the ideas therein, so that even though I felt like I was making things accessible, I was still in the wrong ballpark altogether.
Thinking it over, I'm bemused by the irony of the situation. Even as I was exasperated by some readers' apparent disinclination to read articles very carefully and t
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Antimemes
Antimemes are self-keeping secrets. You can only perceive an antimeme if you already know it's there. Antimemes don't need a conspiracy to stay hidden because you can't comprehend an antimeme just by being told it exists. You can shout them to the heavens and nobody will listen. I'll try to explain with a fictitious example.
Suppose we all had an invisible organ behind our ears and our brains kept it secret from our consciousness. If I told you "you have an invisible organ behind your ear" you wouldn't believe me. You'd only believe it exists if you deduced its existence from a trail of evidence.
You can deduce the existence of an antimeme from the outline of the hole it cuts in reality. If you find an old photo with a gap where a person has been painted out then you can be confident that someone has been disappeared. You can then figure out who it is with conventional investigative methods. The challenge is noticing the gap in the first place and then not dismissing it as noise.
Different cultures have different antimemes. The more different two cultures are from each other the less their antimemes overlap. You can sweep up a mountain of antimemes just by reading a Chinese or Arabic history of civilization and comparing it to Western world history. You can snag a different set by learning what it was like to live in a hunter-gatherer or pastoralist society.
You can do the same thing with technology. Developing a proficiency in Lisp will shatter your tolerance of inferior programming languages. Once you've internalized defmacro you can never go back.
As for jobs: once an entrepreneur, always an entrepreneur[1].
Comprehending an antimeme takes work. You slog toward it for a long time and then eventually something clicks like a ratchet. Until then everything you've learned is reversible. After it clicks you've permanently unlocked a new level of experience, like stream entry.
Stream entry is another antimeme, by the way.
Antimemes are easily dismissed as pseud
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Sunday, April 20, 2008
Dead of Night
A couple of months ago, while browsing BoardGameGeek, I ran across a game called Dead of Night. It's a free web-published zombie survival game (as in, you are trying to survive a horde of zombies, not that you are a zombie trying to survive). The game rules, card, bits, and everything can be downloaded and printed from here. I decided to check it out, since people had good things to say about it on BGG, because I think zombie survival is a fun theme for a board game, and because I thought the idea of free board games sounded pretty awesome. In printing out everything, I wasn't going to go all out for quality, since I didn't want to waste a bunch if the game sucked.
To cut to the chase, while the game was fun, the experiment resulted in me coming to a much greater appreciation for published games that you have to pay for.
The game itself was actually pretty fun. The game premise is pretty straightforward: A swarm of zombies is trying to reach you and eat your brains, so you need to get the hell out of there. I think it captures the feel of a zombie movie pretty well. In the movies, there seems to be a never ending line of zombies that keep coming after you. They don't move all that fast, but they just never stop coming. So, you need to hole up somewhere and figure out a way to escape. When they get close to you, you need to beat the crap out of them with random objects, or set them on fire, or shoot them, to buy you some time. You might find a car, but of course it's out of gas, or you can't find the keys. Or the place you hole up in is falling to ruins, so you need to patch up holes in the walls and board up windows.
The game can be played by 1-6 players. If you play solo, your objective is simply to stay alive. If you play with others, you cooperate to stay alive. But, they also have some sort of point system to determine a winner. I would prefer just to have a cooperative game, since the competitive point system aspect is a little weak. If played by players trying to optimize points, this will almost always lead to players turning on each other at some point, usually the very end, for no apparent reason. "We made it, buddy! We are about to escape these hundreds of zombies! ...Now, let me shoot you in the face so you will lose enough points to let me win, or shoot you in the face before you shoot me in the face since I'm ahead of you in points." I'll talk more later about problems with the competitive aspect and one way I think it could be improved.
There are currently three "official" scenarios made that specify initial board set-up, winning conditions, and any other special rules or conditions. The three scenarios can be played individually, or can be played consecutively as a trilogy of sorts. These scenarios present situations you might find in a typical zombie movie. In the first one, the players start off holed up in an old house. Zombies, sensing their brains, slowly shuffle towards the players. The players either need to hold out until dawn, or find a car, find the keys, and find some gas to fuel it in order to escape. The second scenario picks up where the precious one leaves off, with the players driving down the road. However, the road is blocked by a military-style gate. The players need to figure out a way to open the gate so they can proceed with their escape. Of course, there are some zombies milling around the area. The third scenario has the players crashing their car. They manage to escape the crash before the car explodes into flames. Luckily, there is another house close by, where they might be able to hole up or find another means of escape. Unfortunately, the house is also on fire, and there are a bunch of zombies in the area.
On each player's turn, they first draw a card. Cards are divided into two decks, Act I and Act II. Generally, in Act I, you are trying to gather supplies and zombie-proof the area. In Act II, the stakes are raised and the zombies have probably reached people by then. Cards can have some good or some bad consequence. For example, you might find some ammo or car keys, or a zombie might pop out from under a bed or cupboard or you might panic and lose your turn. Cards, good or bad, might have a symbol on them indicating that you need to advance zombies and add some more to the mix. The zombies follow simple rules in their movement: They advance straight towards the closest meal. If there is any ambiguity, the player moving the zombies determines exactly how they should move.
After drawing a card, a player can take a few actions, such as moving around, searching a room, starting fires, barricading doors and windows (assuming you have items to do so), resting, and moving around items or trading items with others. While you can gather a number of different items, you are limited in realistic ways in what you can carry and hold. So, you might be armed to the teeth with shotguns, molotov cocktails, chainsaws, and pie (yes, pie - it heals you). But, you can only reasonably hold one or two things, and strap a few more to your back or stuff things in so many pockets. Further, some vital items are especially cumbersome. Probably the most important item to find is a gas tank to refuel vehicles. But, lugging that thing around slows you down, and you can't lug that thing around and shoot zombies at the same time, so you need to plan appropriately and work well with others.
Due to the way zombies are deployed and moved, the difficulty scales more or less to the number of players. But, damn, there are a lot of zombies. I played solo, and was probably moving close to a hundred zombies by the end of the game. I imagine that with more players, it could get pretty crazy, and I bet it is vital to work together. In solo play, I imagine an individual player has a bit more time to gather together enough useful items and move around to strategic positions. The more players involved, the less any individual player can accumulate and move around. So, I bet the zombies move relatively faster the more players involved. So, it's probably pretty vital to work together as much as possible by delegating duties, with one person barricading the house, one or two fighting off zombies/running around as a zombie herder, one guy actively searching for vital items, etc.
The rulebook itself if pretty nice. It is portrayed as a pamphlet for what to do in the emergency that zombies are attacking. It is pretty funny (especially if you have seen a few zombie movies in your time). The rules are structured loosely enough to allow players to be pretty creative. In a way, it is almost like a role-playing game; if you think of something cool to do that isn't necessarily obvious from the rules, it is encouraged to do so, as long as it is not too overpowering. You get a decent enough idea about what might or might not be too much from the rules. But, I could see how this flexibility in the rules might lead to some imbalance or trips to an FAQ. And some rules seem a little weird and seem sort of like exploits when you play them to their optimal advantage. For example, because there are limits to how much you can carry, it is often better to throw items around in the path you plan on going since that will allow you the most movement and "carrying capacity" for your buck (i.e. for the number of actions you can do). So, you sort of end up playing a game of leap frog with items (throw gas tank, grab chainsaw, run forward, drop chainsaw, pick up gas tank, throw it, pick up chainsaw, etc.).
So, the rules and gameplay have a couple of wrinkles, but it was pretty fun. And, you could come up with your own scenarios that mix and match different board pieces and starting and winning conditions. So, there is a lot of potential replay value.
My main problem was with the pieces and cards I printed out. Now, I know this is rather unfair, given that I didn't put full effort into my printing. But, I think that I would still have issues if I was meticulous about it. The game is free, except for the fact that you would have to spend money to replace all the ink used in the process. I used my parents' color printer, which was fairly low in ink in some of the colors. But, I sucked dry every color in the printer, and obviously everything didn't come out looking all that great. That wasn't a big deal. But, I would say that you would plan on buying a full cartridge of ink if you plan on printing bits with any quality whatsoever. Also, you will need to invest in some type of nice, hefty card. I just printed on paper, and that was pretty disastrous. Since you can't print out a whole board in one go without a massive printer, it is broken up into pieces. Paper just doesn't cut it there. It's impossible to keep stuff lined up decently, since you're moving dozens of bits all over the board. The little zombie bits were kind of a nightmare. I had a really tough time picking up all the little pieces of paper to move all the zombies. By the end of the game, there are so many zombies, and it takes so much time for me to pick up and move individual zombies, that I would forget what I had moved and what I hadn't. I'm not sure if printing on card would help that issue all that much, though having more players would help. I would suggest trying to get some sort of figurines to replace as many of the zombie bits as possible. Having to move a hundred little chits is too much. Another issue I had was trying to print some of the two-sided things. The images are given in pdf files, and some are simply not lined up properly for two-sided printing. Or else I was doing something very wrong and couldn't figure it out. I would much rather the images were given as jpegs or something so that I could line them up myself in some program where I could snap images to guides and stuff and print them. But, instead, I ended up with some items with a Frankenstein image on the back, and I gave up on the room pieces and just drew important details on the backs (you don't know what is in a room until you reveal it, so on the back of the room tile, you need to know the location of doors and windows). And, on top of all that, it took me hours upon hours to print out everything I needed, even when you don't factor in time to reprint messed up double-sided bits. Then you need to cut all the pieces apart, which cramped my hand all to hell. I think half the horror in the game was trying to create the pieces.
So, as I said in the beginning, this just made me really appreciate the contribution publishers have with boardgames. Sure, this game is "free" if you ignore costs associated with printing. Factoring the cost of ink and decent card stock to print, Dead of Night probably wouldn't be a lot cheaper than a game like Last Night on Earth, which is $40. And the quality of the bits for a game like Last Night on Earth would probably be much better than whatever I would be able to print and cut out. Plus, all I would have to do is open a box instead of spending a whole day creating my sub-par bits. So, I'm not sure if Dead of Night is worth it, even being free, though I did enjoy playing the game. Maybe if you already had some board or bits that you could appropriate to play the Dead of Night rules with, it would be worth it. But, it was just a pain in the ass to construct pieces that made my eyes bleed anyways.
Getting back to the rules again, I'm not exactly sure why there needed to be competitive winning conditions. But, if you wanted to have individuals winning, I think you could do something like introducing hidden character roles with individual winning conditions rather than having global winning conditions. Two of the official scenarios already out there give players 1 point for each zombie killed, 10 points for escaping, and 10 points for making it to the end of the game alive. The other one (the one where you need to open the gate) is a little more nuanced: 1 point per zombie killed, 5 points for powering up the generator (the gate needs power to be opened) for the first time, 5 points for opening the gate, 10 points for escaping in a vehicle, and 5 points for making it to the end of the game alive. So, you can see where backstabbing would be an almost inevitable strategy.
I think you could come up with some interesting roles based on some stereotypical characters from zombie movies, or just some interesting roles based on what is possible in the game. For example, some hero type of character might get points based on the number of players still alive at the end of the game. One type of character might just love to kill zombies, so he would get more points for doing that. Or there could be some crazy/evil type of character who tries to undermine the others while staying alive himself. Or, given the use of fire in the game, why not some sort of pyromaniac, who might end up blowing up the gas tank rather than use it to fuel a car because he likes to see the boom. Essentially, create interesting victory conditions that would, if played with optimal strategy, lead players to do certain things in line with the type of character they are playing. In some cases, players might benefit by working together, while in others players would have cross purposes. The roles and individual victory conditions would be hidden, and there would be enough roles that are somewhat similar enough that players wouldn't necessarily tip off what character they were. So, players might try to figure out what the other players off and work towards trying to maximize their own score and minimizing others. Of course, the scoring would have to be balanced out and all that. I think something like that could be much more fun and interesting and lead to play that makes more sense.
Friday, April 18, 2008
Expelled Exposed
This is what I was reading today:
Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed is a movie "documentary" (i.e. intelligent design propaganda film) that is being put out, with Ben Stein talking about how the Big Bad Ivory Tower has cast out the Poor Little ID Proponents. In a typical ID approach, the film attempts to manipulate public opinion, by preying on human sympathies for the "underdog" and sense of "fairness" and "outrage," in an attempt to stir up controversy where none actually exists, rather than support their arguments with actual science. Why do the actual work when you can just misquote, interview people under false pretenses, and deliberately misunderstand and mock honest scientists? Oh yeah, and while we're at it, let's trivialize the deaths of millions of Jews in order to advance our agenda by trying to tie Darwin to the Nazis. Nice.
Expelled Exposed, put up by the National Center for Science Education, effectively bitch-slaps the claims made in the movie by examining the facts behind them. Good stuff.
Wednesday, April 16, 2008
"Gateway" Sci-Fi
The fourth and final season of Battlestar Galactica, on the Sci-Fi channel, started a couple of weeks ago, and this got me thinking again about "gateway" sci-fi. I can hear Lindsay now saying, "ugh... science ficccccction..." There is a lot of sci-fi crap out there. But, I think there is some really good science fiction that anybody could enjoy, that's not so much about all the nerdy bits, but are genuinely good stories that happen to be built around some science fiction premise. Battlestar Galactica is one of them.
I would say for everybody to rent the 2003 mini-series that opened up the current incarnation of BSG. For people like Lindsay, who might not keep up with things sci-fi, the current Battlestar Galactica is a remake of a TV show from the late 70s. The basic premise is that humans created a bunch of robots called Cylons, which they eventually went to war with and came to a truce. The Cylons went away for a while, then came back in a sneak attack and annihilated most of the human race. The survivors were primarily on board space ships at the time, though some manage to survive the attacks on the planets themselves. The military ships are incapacitated by the Cylons through a type of computer virus and are helpless. However, one of the older model ships, the Battlestar Galactica, managed to escape because of its older technology and because it was about to become decommissioned and was therefore offline at the time. So, this old ship, with its old weapons and officers who were about to retire, is the one military presence left among a small fleet of luxury space liners and such that is now running from this huge host of Cylons. Leadership of the civilians passes down to the Secretary of Education, who was something like 43rd in line for the Presidency. This group tries to assemble all of the survivors together, while running from and fighting the Cylons, and trying to return to pick up survivors.
The story really revolves around the relationships of the characters, so it is almost more of a drama than sci-fi. It does what I enjoy about science fiction and fantasy: It uses premises that could only be accomplished by resorting to science fiction or fantastical situations in order to best illustrate things about people or current affairs or philosophy or whatever. One catch of the new series is that the Cylons have managed to develop models that are virtually indistinguishable from humans. And some of the models don't know that they are Cylons and have developed relationships with the humans. So, this opens up a whole lot of possibilities of issues to raise. BSG tackles things from what it means to be human, to religion and faith, to torture and the treatment of prisoners, to issues of justice and "civil versus military virtues."
Battlestar Galactica, specifically the mini-series, is probably my #1 pick for a "gateway" sci-fi show or movie, that is, a show that might get people to like sci-fi who might otherwise be turned off by it (e.g. Lindsay - that's right, I'm daring you to comment on my blog to address this issue). The mini-series is about 3 hours, if I remember correctly, so there isn't a huge time commitment to decide whether you might be interested or not. Another candidate might be Joss Whedon's Firefly series. It only had less than a season on the air, but it is a cult favorite, and spawned the 2005 movie Serenity. Joss Whedon (who was also behind the Buffy the Vampire Slayer TV show) writes great dialogue and has some very memorable characters. One reason I would put Firefly below BSG in my "gateway" sci-fi list is that it might take a bit more commitment to get into Firefly. I rented the TV series before seeing the movie, and got into the characters, and enjoyed the movie a lot more because of it. But, I don't know what my impression would have been seeing the movie first. I really feel like you need to watch the TV series, since they couldn't really focus on all the characters in the movie, but that would take a bit more commitment. That is a reason I would hesitate about Buffy the Vampire Slayer also, another candidate I would have for good sci-fi/fantasy that people could get into. I feel like it would take a while to really get into Buffy since, honestly, the show didn't fully hit its stride until the second or third season, and it might be weird to start in the middle. There are some really great episodes in the first season, but its also apparent upon re-watching it that it took some time to really be consistently good.
So, go watch the Battlestar Galactica mini-series and tell me what you think. Or suggest some other "gateway" shows or movies.
Monday, April 14, 2008
Windows XP Going Bye-Bye
I read that in a month or two, Microsoft is no longer offering Windows XP. Instead, people are stuck with Vista. Though, I also heard that there might be some kind of option to downgrade from Vista to XP or something...? I haven't interacted at all with Vista, but I seem to read all sorts of bad stuff about it. And people are creating petitions for Microsoft to keep offering and supporting XP. So, I'm scared that if I ever get a new computer, that I will be stuck with something that I will hate. Who's used Vista, and what's wrong with it, or what's awesome about it that I couldn't have with XP? I'm not too sure I would want to venture into Mac or Linux waters yet, but if Vista sucks too bad, maybe I would consider it. This is all purely hypothetical at this point, of course. I have no means by which to acquire a new computer in the near future. I'm just curious about what I might be in store for... eventually.
I've been eyeing the board game Zooloretto. It won the 2007 Spiel des Jahres (Game of the Year), and those Germans know their board games. Basically, from what I've seen, players each have a zoo that they are trying to populate. On turns, you choose to put animals and stuff in carts or choose to take the stuff in the carts to populate your zoo. In some circumstances, you can have animals that are male or female, and if you have one of each, they can create a baby to help fill up your zoo. But, you don't want too many types of animals, or else you have to put some in the barn, which presumably subtracts points or something. So, you can spend money to add more pens to your zoo. The scoring system is more complex than just attempting to fill up your zoo, of course. But, it looks like it has a good bit of strategy without being too mind-numbing, and has a fun theme that people could get into. Has anybody played it? Here are some (rather poorly done) YouTube videos explaining the game, if you like watching rather than reading.
Thursday, April 10, 2008
Go Mom!
My mom received an Adult Learner Recognition Award yesterday from Kennesaw. The award honors "adult students who have shown success in coping with numerous additional roles such as work and family or have overcome difficult circumstances to pursue higher education and have taken innovative approaches to reach their goals." We went to the ceremony yesterday and she received a framed certificate thing that she can add to her pile of awards and dean's list and honor society notifications. Even some of the other award receivers were impressed by the fact that she had started college after 35 years of being out of school. Forget all the other reasons she had listed. It was the 35 years thing that people commented on.
Wednesday, April 9, 2008
Netvibes Ginger
I've been using Netvibes as my homepage for a couple of years, since Jen T pointed me to it. Last month or so, Netvibes upgraded to Netvibes Ginger. I haven't checked it out a whole lot beyond that initial glance at the features when I upgraded. But, my impression is that it is an attempt to jump on the social networking train a bit more than it had.
For those who haven't used Netvibes, essentially it is a page where you can add "widgets" or "modules" to it, such as RSS feeds, email previews, and other things. You can also have multiple tabs, to help you organize your info. For those familiar with Facebook, and the ability to add different applications to your page, it is a similar idea. You add something, then you can move it around on your page, etc. Facebook is taking some of these same good ideas that Netvibes (and others) had and have been adding them (e.g. Facebook is coming out with the tabs shortly, so you won't have to see a whole bunch of garbage on one page). Netvibes gives you a bunch of information in a single glance, which is what its main appeal was to me. You don't have to cycle through your list of bookmarks. Instead, if it has some sort of feed, you can stick it on Netvibes and have everything there in the same place. You can also upload your bookmarks from your browser, so that if you are using a different computer, you can just go to Netvibes and have access to all your bookmarks. To give you an idea of the types of things that can go on there, here is a short list of some of the things I have on my page:
• Email previews for Gmail and Hotmail
• Weather forecast
• RSS feeds for 28 different websites, blogs, forums, photo albums: everything from news articles to craigslist listings to ebay listings to movie and game reviews
• Bookmarks that I periodically upload from my Firefox (if you have nested folders, Netvibes translates these into tags, to help sort your bookmarks on Netvibes)
• Search tools for web, image, video, podcast, and map searches (each one returns results from a number of relevant search engines (e.g. video searches have tabs for results from YouTube, Google video, Matacafe, Myspace, Dailymotion, and Sevenload, among others - I don't even know what half of these are, but I can get results from them if I want))
• Wikipedia search widget
• Google documents feed
• TinyURL creator
• Some other random stuff
You can search for other content to add to your site. Every few months I go through to see if there is anything good (I do a similar thing for Facebook). Ok, so those are the basic Netvibes features. Now, they've added this Ginger thing. Like I said, I have only glanced through it and haven't put much thought into it, but the main difference I see is that now you have a public and a private page (whereas you just had the private page before). So, if you find interesting stuff that you would like to share with your friends or whoever, you send it to your public page also. And, I think you can "subscribe" to different people's pages to see what kind of stuff they add to theirs. So, like I said, it seems like they are trying to expand a bit more in the online social networking market.
I'm curious to see how they do. At a glance, a lot of these features seem to be the kinds of things sites like Facebook have jumped all over. So, with the popularity of sites like those, I'm not sure how well Netvibes will be able to get in on the action. Does anyone else use Netvibes and/or have checked out this new Ginger stuff? I'd be curious to see what people had to say about it. I'll probably look into it a bit more sometime. But, right now, it seemed like the pre-Ginger Netvibes features take care of my homepage wants, and Facebook could take care of the Netvibes Ginger-exclusive features. It might just be too much of a hassle to keep up with two sites, especially since I have no idea if anyone else I know even uses Netvibes in the first place. My initial search when I upgraded to Ginger returned nobody, hehe...
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[CLS]Writing plugins
It is easy to implement local conftest plugins for your own project or pip-installable plugins that can be used throughout many projects, including third party projects. Please refer to Installing and Using plugins if you only want to use but not write plugins.
A plugin contains one or multiple hook functions. Writing hooks explains the basics and details of how you can write a hook function yourself. pytest implements all aspects of configuration, collection, running and reporting by calling well specified hooks of the following plugins:
In principle, each hook call is a 1:N Python function call where N is the number of registered implementation functions for a given specification. All specifications and implementations follow the pytest_ prefix naming convention, making them easy to distinguish and find.
Plugin discovery order at tool startup
pytest loads plugin modules at tool startup in the following way:
• by loading all builtin plugins
• by loading all plugins registered through setuptools entry points.
• by pre-scanning the command line for the -p name option and loading the specified plugin before actual command line parsing.
• by loading all conftest.py files as inferred by the command line invocation:
• if no test paths are specified use current dir as a test path
• if exists, load conftest.py and test*/conftest.py relative to the directory part of the first test path.
Note that pytest does not find conftest.py files in deeper nested sub directories at tool startup. It is usually a good idea to keep your conftest.py file in the top level test or project root directory.
• by recursively loading all plugins specified by the pytest_plugins variable in conftest.py files
conftest.py: local per-directory plugins
Local conftest.py plugins contain directory-specific hook implementations. Hook Session and test running activities will invoke all hooks defined in conftest.py files closer to the root of the filesystem. Example of implementing the pytest_runtest_setup hook so that is called for tests in the a sub directory but not for other directories:
def pytest_runtest_setup(item):
# called for running each test in 'a' directory
print ("setting up", item)
def test_sub():
def test_flat():
Here is how you might run it:
pytest test_flat.py # will not show "setting up"
pytest a/test_sub.py # will show "setting up"
If you have conftest.py files which do not reside in a python package directory (i.e. one containing an __init__.py) then “import conftest” can be ambiguous because there might be other conftest.py files as well on your PYTHONPATH or sys.path. It is thus good practice for projects to either put conftest.py under a package scope or to never import anything from a conftest.py file.
See also: pytest import mechanisms and sys.path/PYTHONPATH.
Writing your own plugin
If you want to write a plugin, there are many real-life examples you can copy from:
All of these plugins implement the documented well specified hooks to extend and add functionality.
Make sure to check out the excellent cookiecutter-pytest-plugin project, which is a cookiecutter template for authoring plugins.
The template provides an excellent starting point with a working plugin, tests running with tox, a comprehensive README file as well as a pre-configured entry-point.
Also consider contributing your plugin to pytest-dev once it has some happy users other than yourself.
Making your plugin installable by others
If you want to make your plugin externally available, you may define a so-called entry point for your distribution so that pytest finds your plugin module. Entry points are a feature that is provided by setuptools. pytest looks up the pytest11 entrypoint to discover its plugins and you can thus make your plugin available by defining it in your setuptools-invocation:
# sample./setup.py file
from setuptools import setup
packages = ['myproject']
# the following makes a plugin available to pytest
entry_points = {
'pytest11': [
'name_of_plugin = myproject.pluginmodule',
# custom PyPI classifier for pytest plugins
"Framework :: Pytest",
If a package is installed this way, pytest will load myproject.pluginmodule as a plugin which can define well specified hooks.
Make sure to include Framework :: Pytest in your list of PyPI classifiers to make it easy for users to find your plugin.
Assertion Rewriting
One of the main features of pytest is the use of plain assert statements and the detailed introspection of expressions upon assertion failures. This is provided by “assertion rewriting” which modifies the parsed AST before it gets compiled to bytecode. This is done via a PEP 302 import hook which gets installed early on when pytest starts up and will perform this rewriting when modules get imported. However since we do not want to test different bytecode then you will run in production this hook only rewrites test modules themselves as well as any modules which are part of plugins. Any other imported module will not be rewritten and normal assertion behaviour will happen.
If you have assertion helpers in other modules where you would need assertion rewriting to be enabled you need to ask pytest explicitly to rewrite this module before it gets imported.
Register one or more module names to be rewritten on import.
This function will make sure that this module or all modules inside the package will get their assert statements rewritten. Thus you should make sure to call this before the module is actually imported, usually in your __init__.py if you are a plugin using a package.
Raises:TypeError – if the given module names are not strings.
This is especially important when you write a pytest plugin which is created using a package. The import hook only treats conftest.py files and any modules which are listed in the pytest11 entrypoint as plugins. As an example consider the following package:
With the following typical setup.py extract:
entry_points={'pytest11': ['foo = pytest_foo.plugin']},
In this case only pytest_foo/plugin.py will be rewritten. If the helper module also contains assert statements which need to be rewritten it needs to be marked as such, before it gets imported. This is easiest by marking it for rewriting inside the __init__.py module, which will always be imported first when a module inside a package is imported. This way plugin.py can still import helper.py normally. The contents of pytest_foo/__init__.py will then need to look like this:
import pytest
Requiring/Loading plugins in a test module or conftest file
You can require plugins in a test module or a conftest.py file like this:
pytest_plugins = ["name1", "name2"]
When the test module or conftest plugin is loaded the specified plugins will be loaded as well. Any module can be blessed as a plugin, including internal application modules:
pytest_plugins = "myapp.testsupport.myplugin"
pytest_plugins variables are processed recursively, so note that in the example above if myapp.testsupport.myplugin also declares pytest_plugins, the contents of the variable will also be loaded as plugins, and so on.
This mechanism makes it easy to share fixtures within applications or even external applications without the need to create external plugins using the setuptools‘s entry point technique.
Plugins imported by pytest_plugins will also automatically be marked for assertion rewriting (see pytest.register_assert_rewrite()). However for this to have any effect the module must not be imported already; if it was already imported at the time the pytest_plugins statement is processed, a warning will result and assertions inside the plugin will not be rewritten. To fix this you can either call pytest.register_assert_rewrite() yourself before the module is imported, or you can arrange the code to delay the importing until after the plugin is registered.
Accessing another plugin by name
If a plugin wants to collaborate with code from another plugin it can obtain a reference through the plugin manager like this:
plugin = config.pluginmanager.getplugin("name_of_plugin")
If you want to look at the names of existing plugins, use the --trace-config option.
Testing plugins
pytest comes with a plugin named pytester that helps you write tests for your plugin code. The plugin is disabled by default, so you will have to enable it before you can use it.
You can do so by adding the following line to a conftest.py file in your testing directory:
# content of conftest.py
pytest_plugins = ["pytester"]
Alternatively you can invoke pytest with the -p pytester command line option.
This will allow you to use the testdir fixture for testing your plugin code.
Let’s demonstrate what you can do with the plugin with an example. Imagine we developed a plugin that provides a fixture hello which yields a function and we can invoke this function with one optional parameter. It will return a string value of Hello World! if we do not supply a value or Hello {value}! if we do supply a string value.
# -*- coding: utf-8 -*-
import pytest
def pytest_addoption(parser):
group = parser.getgroup('helloworld')
help='Default "name" for hello().'
def hello(request):
name = request.config.getoption('name')
def _hello(name=None):
if not name:
name = request.config.getoption('name')
return "Hello {name}!".format(name=name)
return _hello
Now the testdir fixture provides a convenient API for creating temporary conftest.py files and test files. It also allows us to run the tests and return a result object, with which we can assert the tests’ outcomes.
def test_hello(testdir):
"""Make sure that our plugin works."""
# create a temporary conftest.py file
import pytest
def name(request):
return request.param
# create a temporary pytest test file
def test_hello_default(hello):
assert hello() == "Hello World!"
def test_hello_name(hello, name):
assert hello(name) == "Hello {0}!".format(name)
# run all tests with pytest
result = testdir.runpytest()
# check that all 4 tests passed
For more information about the result object that runpytest() returns, and the methods that it provides please check out the RunResult documentation.
Writing hook functions
hook function validation and execution
pytest calls hook functions from registered plugins for any given hook specification. Let’s look at a typical hook function for the pytest_collection_modifyitems(session, config, items) hook which pytest calls after collection of all test items is completed.
When we implement a pytest_collection_modifyitems function in our plugin pytest will during registration verify that you use argument names which match the specification and bail out if not.
Let’s look at a possible implementation:
def pytest_collection_modifyitems(config, items):
# called after collection is completed
# you can modify the ``items`` list
Here, pytest will pass in config (the pytest config object) and items (the list of collected test items) but will not pass in the session argument because we didn’t list it in the function signature. This dynamic “pruning” of arguments allows pytest to be “future-compatible”: we can introduce new hook named parameters without breaking the signatures of existing hook implementations. It is one of the reasons for the general long-lived compatibility of pytest plugins.
Note that hook functions other than pytest_runtest_* are not allowed to raise exceptions. Doing so will break the pytest run.
firstresult: stop at first non-None result
Most calls to pytest hooks result in a list of results which contains all non-None results of the called hook functions.
Some hook specifications use the firstresult=True option so that the hook call only executes until the first of N registered functions returns a non-None result which is then taken as result of the overall hook call. The remaining hook functions will not be called in this case.
hookwrapper: executing around other hooks
New in version 2.7.
pytest plugins can implement hook wrappers which wrap the execution of other hook implementations. A hook wrapper is a generator function which yields exactly once. When pytest invokes hooks it first executes hook wrappers and passes the same arguments as to the regular hooks.
At the yield point of the hook wrapper pytest will execute the next hook implementations and return their result to the yield point in the form of a Result instance which encapsulates a result or exception info. The yield point itself will thus typically not raise exceptions (unless there are bugs).
Here is an example definition of a hook wrapper:
import pytest
def pytest_pyfunc_call(pyfuncitem):
# do whatever you want before the next hook executes
outcome = yield
# outcome.excinfo may be None or a (cls, val, tb) tuple
res = outcome.get_result() # will raise if outcome was exception
# postprocess result
Note that hook wrappers don’t return results themselves, they merely perform tracing or other side effects around the actual hook implementations. If the result of the underlying hook is a mutable object, they may modify that result but it’s probably better to avoid it.
Hook function ordering / call example
For any given hook specification there may be more than one implementation and we thus generally view hook execution as a 1:N function call where N is the number of registered functions. There are ways to influence if a hook implementation comes before or after others, i.e. the position in the N-sized list of functions:
# Plugin 1
def pytest_collection_modifyitems(items):
# will execute as early as possible
# Plugin 2
def pytest_collection_modifyitems(items):
# will execute as late as possible
# Plugin 3
def pytest_collection_modifyitems(items):
# will execute even before the tryfirst one above!
outcome = yield
# will execute after all non-hookwrappers executed
Here is the order of execution:
1. Plugin3’s pytest_collection_modifyitems called until the yield point because it is a hook wrapper.
2. Plugin1’s pytest_collection_modifyitems is called because it is marked with tryfirst=True.
3. Plugin2’s pytest_collection_modifyitems is called because it is marked with trylast=True (but even without this mark it would come after Plugin1).
4. Plugin3’s pytest_collection_modifyitems then executing the code after the yield point. The yield receives a Result instance which encapsulates the result from calling the non-wrappers. Wrappers shall not modify the result.
It’s possible to use tryfirst and trylast also in conjunction with hookwrapper=True in which case it will influence the ordering of hookwrappers among each other.
Declaring new hooks
Plugins and conftest.py files may declare new hooks that can then be implemented by other plugins in order to alter behaviour or interact with the new plugin:
called at plugin registration time to allow adding new hooks via a call to pluginmanager.add_hookspecs(module_or_class, prefix).
Hooks are usually declared as do-nothing functions that contain only documentation describing when the hook will be called and what return values are expected.
For an example, see newhooks.py from xdist.
Optionally using hooks from 3rd party plugins
Using new hooks from plugins as explained above might be a little tricky because of the standard validation mechanism: if you depend on a plugin that is not installed, validation will fail and the error message will not make much sense to your users.
One approach is to defer the hook implementation to a new plugin instead of declaring the hook functions directly in your plugin module, for example:
# contents of myplugin.py
class DeferPlugin(object):
"""Simple plugin to defer pytest-xdist hook functions."""
def pytest_testnodedown(self, node, error):
"""standard xdist hook function.
def pytest_configure(config):
if config.pluginmanager.hasplugin('xdist'):
This has the added benefit of allowing you to conditionally install hooks depending on which plugins are installed.
pytest hook reference
Initialization, command line and configuration hooks
pytest_load_initial_conftests(early_config, parser, args)[source]
implements the loading of initial conftest files ahead of command line option parsing.
pytest_cmdline_preparse(config, args)[source]
(deprecated) modify command line arguments before option parsing.
pytest_cmdline_parse(pluginmanager, args)[source]
return initialized config object, parsing the specified args.
Stops at first non-None result, see firstresult: stop at first non-None result
register argparse-style options and ini-style config values, called once at the beginning of a test run.
This function should be implemented only in plugins or conftest.py files situated at the tests root directory due to how pytest discovers plugins during startup.
Parameters:parser – To add command line options, call parser.addoption(...). To add ini-file values call parser.addini(...).
Options can later be accessed through the config object, respectively:
The config object is passed around on many internal objects via the.config attribute or can be retrieved as the pytestconfig fixture or accessed via (deprecated) pytest.config.
called for performing the main command line action. The default implementation will invoke the configure hooks and runtest_mainloop.
Allows plugins and conftest files to perform initial configuration.
This hook is called for every plugin and initial conftest file after command line options have been parsed.
After that, the hook is called for other conftest files as they are imported.
Parameters:config (_pytest.config.Config) – pytest config object
called before test process is exited.
Generic “runtest” hooks
All runtest related hooks receive a pytest.Item object.
pytest_runtest_protocol(item, nextitem)[source]
implements the runtest_setup/call/teardown protocol for the given test item, including capturing exceptions and calling reporting hooks.
• item – test item for which the runtest protocol is performed.
• nextitem – the scheduled-to-be-next test item (or None if this is the end my friend). This argument is passed on to pytest_runtest_teardown().
Return boolean:
True if no further hook implementations should be invoked.
called before pytest_runtest_call(item).
called to execute the test item.
pytest_runtest_teardown(item, nextitem)[source]
called after pytest_runtest_call.
Parameters:nextitem – the scheduled-to-be-next test item (None if no further test item is scheduled). This argument can be used to perform exact teardowns, i.e. calling just enough finalizers so that nextitem only needs to call setup-functions.
pytest_runtest_makereport(item, call)[source]
return a _pytest.runner.TestReport object for the given pytest.Item and _pytest.runner.CallInfo.
For deeper understanding you may look at the default implementation of these hooks in _pytest.runner and maybe also in _pytest.pdb which interacts with _pytest.capture and its input/output capturing in order to immediately drop into interactive debugging when a test failure occurs.
The _pytest.terminal reported specifically uses the reporting hook to print information about a test run.
Collection hooks
pytest calls the following hooks for collecting files and directories:
pytest_ignore_collect(path, config)[source]
return True to prevent considering this path for collection. This hook is consulted for all files and directories prior to calling more specific hooks.
pytest_collect_directory(path, parent)[source]
called before traversing a directory for collection files.
pytest_collect_file(path, parent)[source]
return collection Node or None for the given path. Any new node needs to have the specified parent as a parent.
For influencing the collection of objects in Python modules you can use the following hook:
pytest_pycollect_makeitem(collector, name, obj)[source]
return custom item/collector for a python object in a module, or None.
generate (multiple) parametrized calls to a test function.
pytest_make_parametrize_id(config, val, argname)[source]
Return a user-friendly string representation of the given val that will be used by @pytest.mark.parametrize calls. Return None if the hook doesn’t know about val. The parameter name is available as argname, if required.
After collection is complete, you can modify the order of items, delete or otherwise amend the test items:
pytest_collection_modifyitems(session, config, items)[source]
called after collection has been performed, may filter or re-order the items in-place.
Reporting hooks
Session related reporting hooks:
collector starts collecting.
we just collected a test item.
collector finished collecting.
called for test items deselected by keyword.
pytest_report_header(config, startdir)[source]
return a string or list of strings to be displayed as header info for terminal reporting.
• config – the pytest config object.
• startdir – py.path object with the starting dir
pytest_report_collectionfinish(config, startdir, items)[source]
New in version 3.2.
return a string or list of strings to be displayed after collection has finished successfully.
This strings will be displayed after the standard “collected X items” message.
• config – the pytest config object.
• startdir – py.path object with the starting dir
• items – list of pytest items that are going to be executed; this list should not be modified.
return result-category, shortletter and verbose word for reporting.
pytest_terminal_summary(terminalreporter, exitstatus)[source]
add additional section in terminal summary reporting.
pytest_fixture_setup(fixturedef, request)[source]
performs fixture setup execution.
pytest_fixture_post_finalizer(fixturedef, request)[source]
called after fixture teardown, but before the cache is cleared so the fixture result cache fixturedef.cached_result can still be accessed.
And here is the central hook for reporting about test execution:
process a test setup/call/teardown report relating to the respective phase of executing a test.
You can also use this hook to customize assertion representation for some types:
return explanation for comparisons in failing assert expressions.
Debugging/Interaction hooks
There are few hooks which can be used for special reporting or interaction with exceptions:
pytest_internalerror(excrepr, excinfo)[source]
called for internal errors.
called for keyboard interrupt.
pytest_exception_interact(node, call, report)[source]
called when an exception was raised which can potentially be interactively handled.
This hook is only called if an exception was raised that is not an internal exception like skip.Exception.
called upon pdb.set_trace(), can be used by plugins to take special action just before the python debugger enters in interactive mode.
Parameters:config (_pytest.config.Config) – pytest config object
Reference of objects involved in hooks
class Config[source]
access to configuration values, pluginmanager and plugin hooks.
option = None
access to command line option as attributes. (deprecated), use getoption() instead
pluginmanager = None
a pluginmanager instance
Add a function to be called when the config object gets out of use (usually coninciding with pytest_unconfigure).
warn(code, message, fslocation=None, nodeid=None)[source]
generate a warning for this test session.
classmethod fromdictargs(option_dict, args)[source]
constructor useable for subprocesses.
addinivalue_line(name, line)[source]
add a line to an ini-file option. The option must have been declared but might not yet be set in which case the line becomes the the first line in its value.
return configuration value from an ini file. If the specified name hasn’t been registered through a prior parser.addini call (usually from a plugin), a ValueError is raised.
getoption(name, default=<NOTSET>, skip=False)[source]
return command line option value.
• name – name of the option. You may also specify the literal --OPT option instead of the “dest” option name.
• default – default value if no option of that name exists.
• skip – if True raise pytest.skip if option does not exists or has a None value.
getvalue(name, path=None)[source]
(deprecated, use getoption())
getvalueorskip(name, path=None)[source]
(deprecated, use getoption(skip=True))
class Parser[source]
Parser for command line arguments and ini-file values.
Variables:extra_info – dict of generic param -> value to display in case there’s an error processing the command line arguments.
getgroup(name, description='', after=None)[source]
get (or create) a named option Group.
Name:name of the option group.
Description:long description for –help output.
After:name of other group, used for ordering –help output.
The returned group object has an addoption method with the same signature as parser.addoption but will be shown in the respective group in the output of pytest. --help.
addoption(*opts, **attrs)[source]
register a command line option.
Opts:option names, can be short or long options.
Attrs:same attributes which the add_option() function of the argparse library accepts.
After command line parsing options are available on the pytest config object via config.option.NAME where NAME is usually set by passing a dest attribute, for example addoption("--long", dest="NAME",...).
parse_known_args(args, namespace=None)[source]
parses and returns a namespace object with known arguments at this point.
parse_known_and_unknown_args(args, namespace=None)[source]
parses and returns a namespace object with known arguments, and the remaining arguments unknown at this point.
addini(name, help, type=None, default=None)[source]
register an ini-file option.
Name:name of the ini-variable
Type:type of the variable, can be pathlist, args, linelist or bool.
Default:default value if no ini-file option exists but is queried.
The value of ini-variables can be retrieved via a call to config.getini(name).
class Node[source]
base class for Collector and Item the test collection tree. Collector subclasses have children, Items are terminal nodes.
name = None
a unique name within the scope of the parent node
parent = None
the parent collector node.
config = None
the pytest config object
session = None
the session this node is part of
fspath = None
filesystem path where this node was collected from (can be None)
keywords = None
keywords/markers collected from all scopes
extra_keyword_matches = None
allow adding of extra keywords to use for matching
fspath sensitive hook proxy used to call pytest hooks
warn(code, message)[source]
generate a warning with the given code and message for this item.
a ::-separated string denoting its collection tree address.
return list of all parent collectors up to self, starting from root of collection tree.
dynamically add a marker object to the node.
marker can be a string or pytest.mark.* instance.
get a marker object from this node or None if the node doesn’t have a marker with that name.
Return a set of all extra keywords in self and any parents.
register a function to be called when this node is finalized.
This method can only be called when this node is active in a setup chain, for example during self.setup().
get the next parent node (including ourself) which is an instance of the given class
class Collector[source]
Bases: _pytest.main.Node
Collector instances create children through collect() and thus iteratively build a tree.
exception CollectError[source]
Bases: exceptions.Exception
an error during collection, contains a custom message.
returns a list of children (items and collectors) for this collection node.
represent a collection failure.
class Item[source]
Bases: _pytest.main.Node
a basic test invocation item. Note that for a single function there might be multiple test invocation items.
add_report_section(when, key, content)[source]
Adds a new report section, similar to what’s done internally to add stdout and stderr captured output:
item.add_report_section("call", "stdout", "report section contents")
• when (str) – One of the possible capture states, "setup", "call", "teardown".
• key (str) – Name of the section, can be customized at will. Pytest uses "stdout" and "stderr" internally.
• content (str) – The full contents as a string.
class Module[source]
Bases: _pytest.main.File, _pytest.python.PyCollector
Collector for test classes and functions.
class Class[source]
Bases: _pytest.python.PyCollector
Collector for test methods.
class Function[source]
Bases: _pytest.python.FunctionMixin, _pytest.main.Item, _pytest.compat.FuncargnamesCompatAttr
a Function Item is responsible for setting up and executing a Python test function.
originalname = None
original function name, without any decorations (for example parametrization adds a "[...]" suffix to function names).
New in version 3.0.
underlying python ‘function’ object
execute the underlying test function.
class FixtureDef[source]
A container for a factory definition.
class CallInfo[source]
Result/Exception info a function invocation.
when = None
context of invocation: one of “setup”, “call”, “teardown”, “memocollect”
excinfo = None
None or ExceptionInfo object.
class TestReport[source]
Basic test report object (also used for setup and teardown calls if they fail).
nodeid = None
normalized collection node id
location = None
a (filesystempath, lineno, domaininfo) tuple indicating the actual location of a test item - it might be different from the collected one e.g. if a method is inherited from a different module.
keywords = None
a name -> value dictionary containing all keywords and markers associated with a test invocation.
outcome = None
test outcome, always one of “passed”, “failed”, “skipped”.
longrepr = None
None or a failure representation.
when = None
one of ‘setup’, ‘call’, ‘teardown’ to indicate runtest phase.
sections = None
list of pairs (str, str) of extra information which needs to marshallable. Used by pytest to add captured text from stdout and stderr, but may be used by other plugins to add arbitrary information to reports.
duration = None
time it took to run just the test
Return captured text from stderr, if capturing is enabled
New in version 3.0.
Return captured text from stdout, if capturing is enabled
New in version 3.0.
Read-only property that returns the full string representation of longrepr.
New in version 3.0.
class _Result(result, excinfo)[source]
Get the result(s) for this hook call (DEPRECATED in favor of get_result()).
Force the result(s) to result.
If the hook was marked as a firstresult a single value should be set otherwise set a (modified) list of results. Any exceptions found during invocation will be deleted.
Get the result(s) for this hook call.
If the hook was marked as a firstresult only a single value will be returned otherwise a list of results.
Obtain a new instance of the _pytest.config.PytestPluginManager, with default plugins already loaded.
This function can be used by integration with other tools, like hooking into pytest to run tests into an IDE.
class PytestPluginManager[source]
Bases: pluggy.PluginManager
Overwrites pluggy.PluginManager to add pytest-specific functionality:
• loading plugins from the command line, PYTEST_PLUGIN env variable and pytest_plugins global variables found in plugins being loaded;
• conftest.py loading during start-up;
Deprecated since version 2.8.
Use pluggy.PluginManager.add_hookspecs instead.
parse_hookimpl_opts(plugin, name)[source]
parse_hookspec_opts(module_or_class, name)[source]
register(plugin, name=None)[source]
Return True if the plugin with the given name is registered.
class PluginManager[source]
Core Pluginmanager class which manages registration of plugin objects and 1:N hook calling.
You can register new hooks by
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Don’t warn nonspecifically!
This is a decent warning sign. Image via Wikipedia
I hate safety warnings. It’s not that I’m hurt by someone out there’s condescending belief that I can’t work out whether irons are for drying children. And I welcome the endless mental accretion of terrifying facts about obscure ways one can die. What really bothers me is that safety warnings often contain no information except ‘don’t do X’.
In a world covered in advice not to do X, and devoid of information about what will happen if you do X, except it will be negative sometimes, it is hard and irritating to work out when it is appropriate to do X. Most things capable of being costly are a good idea some of the time. And if you were contemplating doing X, you probably have some reason. On top of that, as far as I can tell many of the warnings are about effects so weak that if you wanted to do X for some reason, that would almost certainly overwhelm the reason not to. But since all you are ever told is not to do X, you are never quite sure whether you are being warned off some trivial situation where a company haven’t actually tested whether their claims about their product still apply, or protected from a genuine risk.
My kettle came with a warning that if I ever boil it dry, I should replace it. Is this because it will become liable to explode? Because it might become discoloured? My sandwich meat came with a warning not to eat it after seven days. Presumably this is because they can’t guarantee a certain low level of risk after that, but since I don’t know what that level is, it’s not so useful to me. If I have a lot else to eat I will want a lower level of risk than if I’m facing the alternative of having to go shopping right now or of fainting from hunger. Medical warnings are very similar.
Perhaps it’s sensible to just ignore warnings when they conflict much with your preconceptions or are costly. In that case, how am I worse off than if there just weren’t warnings? How can I complain about people not givi
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Meetup : Big Gaming Fun 6: A New Beginning!
Discussion article for the meetup : Big Gaming Fun 6: A New Beginning!
WHEN: 05 May 2013 01:00:00PM (-0400)
WHERE: 100 East End Ave., Pittsburgh, PA 15221
Come match wits against others who value believing the truth and acting effectively to achieve their goals! Now revived after I spent 2.5 months in Switzerland and 4 months being super busy moving into my new house.
You can see my game collection here; please bring anything else you'd like to play.
I have a cat. Please let me know if you're allergic and need me to put her upstairs.
RSVP here or by sending me a private message (but don't not show up because you didn't RSVP, I just want a rough idea of the number of attendees). The door should be unlocked and there should be a sign up when you arrive; if not, call or text (412) 657-1395 when you get here. I intend to hold these every 2-3 weeks, so watch this space!
Also, if transportation is an issue, please post a comment or send me a PM. I'm on the bus line, I might be able to pick a small number of people up, or maybe a fellow attendee can give you a ride.
Discussion article for the meetup : Big Gaming Fun 6: A New Beginning!
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Rationality Quotes July 2016
Another month, another rationality quotes thread. The rules are:
* Provide sufficient information (URL, title, date, page number, etc.) to enable a reader to find the place where you read the quote, or its original source if available. Do not quote with only a name.
* Post all quotes separately, so that they can be upvoted or downvoted separately. (If they are strongly related, reply to your own comments. If strongly ordered, then go ahead and post them together.)
* Do not quote yourself.
* Do not quote from Less Wrong itself, HPMoR, Eliezer Yudkowsky, or Robin Hanson. If you'd like to revive an old quote from one of those sources, please do so here.
* No more than 5 quotes per person per monthly thread, please.
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Friday, March 18, 2016
Fallout 4: Destroy the Legendary Assaultron at the Electrical Hobbyist's Club Tip
If you play Fallout 4, you may have discovered the shack called the Electrical Hobbyist's Club. It's surrounded by high levels of radiation. Chances are you will have to use a Hazmat suit to go into it. There's a nice laser rifle up here, so it's well worth checking this place out. As you loot the top floors, you will discover there's a cellar.
The Cellar.
Watch your steps as you enter the cellar. First notice the bobby trap at the bottom of the steps. It will fire a rocket from a missile launcher if you set it off. Disarm it. That's the A button for XBOX players. Directly left is weight scale. That will set off the Legendary Assaulttron who will likely kill you since there's very little room to manuever down here. Worse yet, if you destroy it, the thing will set off an alleged nuclear explosion. I say alleged nuclear because I've just found a way to survive the explosion. Disarm the scale. Mr. Assaultron stays asleep.
But first, let's disarm the remaining traps. There's a trip wire in the terminal room. Directly to the left of the door to this room is a turret. I disarmed a trap to the right of the door. Ran back outside. To the left of Assaultron, is a hole in the wall. I took out my sniper and shot at the turret to destroy it.
Okay, let's get to the point. You want to destroy the Legendary Assaultron without killing yourself. Go back to the stairs. Take out your sniper and shoot at the thing until it's down to little health. It starts to catch on fire. Check V.A.T.S. to examine its health. Take out two fragmentation mines and put them around it. Go to the terminal room. Access the terminal. Activate the Assaultron. Go to the corner away from the hole in the wall. That's the corner next to the terminal. The Assaultron will move and set off the mines. It dies and explodes. You survive. At least, I did.
Loot the body. Since this is a Legendary Assaultron, there will likely be a nice reward. I got the Quickdraw Revolutionary Sword. It has 22 damage and its speed is medium. More importantly, it "Costs 25 percent less Action Points." I'm sure this is worthwhile to you players who prefer a melee build for your character.
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1. I don't think so. You have to evade at the right moment. You have to time your attacks. You have to make turns at the right moment. Sure, you can (and you have to) hit space, do the needed action (hit the right key) and hit space again. But really .. hitting space a few times every second to time all needed actions right and to do this for a few minutes - sorry, as said, I don't like it at all. You are totally correctly, "is as turnbased as it can get without actually being it", but for me this doesn't fit. Just an example: 2 weeks ago I tried a fight against a phase 3 terror UFO. After ~30 seconds the escort was down. 2 minutes later I had the UFO down to 15%. Each torpedo hit for ~4% damage. So I "only" needed about 25 successful hits. I knew exactly what I had to do but then I hit the turn key to late, probably only for a fraction of a second ... busted. The simple problem: it is not enough to know, what you have to do. You also have to manage to perform the needed actions. This is a problem, which never happens in turn based ground combat. But well, we probably got offtopic here.
2. Everyone has his game style he likes. My favorite games offer turn based combat. I want to use my brain and my creativity for winning. I want to develop a strategy and like to think about alternatives. In my opinion XD ground combat is gigantic in that part. Airgame is mainly about reaction and quickness - things I liked in games around 30 years ago No offense for people who really like the airgame - it's just not my thing
3. As Charon already answered, the damage range is normally set to 50%-150%. But there are other modifiers too, like bonus damage for each kind of captured alien. You get 1-2% per type. This can sum up in later game.
4. You should not forget, that you get bonus accuracy from armor and weapon (aiming/firemode). The starting values may look low, but practically they are working totally fine. In my playthrough I started using 100% rookies even in phase 3. Accuracy has never been a problem with the right equipment, accuracy even rises very fast. The main problematic attribute for rookies is strength - to carry and use good armor, weapons, grenades, etc. And this was improved in one of last patches.
5. You really should not do such things. The developers work very hard to make a balanced and challenging game/mod. Play better or use a lower difficulty level - both are much better ideas than abusing such bugs.
6. Trying to answer some of your questions. 1. I personally would skip plasma. In my playthrough I only used (in phase 2): shield guy - MAG SMG rifles: MAG rifles sniper: laser sniper (I preferred the large range over the better damage of MAG/pulse). carbines: MAG carbines heavys: Laser minigun (MAG does way more damage, but has only 4 rounds per magazine - laser minigun magazines let you shoot 10 times, which was more important for me than damage) There are other good weapons too - but for me this was the best combination. 2. It is possible to capture all Xenomorphs. For example (capturing a xenomorph warrior, using stun baton and laser carbines): https://youtu.be/GPzqktY5-us?t=2157 3. I would recommend my playthrough see signature. It is done in German language. 4. Sounds well. 5. For me only one landing party was ok, at least until the end of phase 3 (which is my current playthrough state). 6. No. 7. It is just time. Basically. Your research doesn't matter. But time can be shortened by letting aliens performing well - like let them build and supply bases. 8. I played my playthough without airgame most of the time (used mod easy/no airgame). You can down most enemy ships (= all with the exception of some terror ships). I raided not more than 2 per wave (you need some time for flying to crashsites and back and for healing between the waves).
7. It works that way. For a long time of my playthrough I am using carbines for stunning aliens. It is not a 100% safety but most of the time it works very well.
8. The last patch reverted some of the sight changes, most caesan/sebill only got around 20-25 range now. Just some special races (xeno, robodog, etc.) still have upto 40. But anyway - its harder with those bigger alien sight, no question. You need to adapt your strategy - smoke is much more important now. Don't forget: it is a beta, things are still in testing. 60 range was to much. 40 was already doable, I made a lot a missions with it and won all without any losses (but some wounds for sure :)). Just see my LP. With the actual patch version I find the sight ranges totally ok. You can't stand in the open field anymore (which I did myself in the past too). It is not that bad as it may look. The aliens don't shoot from anywhere - they not only need sight, but also a certain hit probability. Which they don't have got from very far away. Overall the missions are much more interesting compared to the times of "blind aliens" - at least for me
9. @grossbier Please check your private messages.
10. Especially your "bad" rifles are great for reaction fire. And yes, in my opinion one shield guy is enough, normally. Two would be better, sure, but I would not like the lost firepower.
11. If I remember right, the terror missions (base and town) were changed (made harder) with version .41. A town mission of this version is shown in video 85/86, a terror base in video 89/90. The terror base was even a phase 3 base with phase 3 aliens. And I only had phase 2 equipment. It is hard sometimes, but doable
12. I don't play an earlier version. It is always the most actual version at the time of recording I started with version .40. Smaller and bigger patches came live during playing. Now I am at .42 as well, but some small additional changes are already contained. I always get the patches before they go live because my playthrough is used by Charon for some kind of testing. So the last missions use at the same patch version than your version. The game/patch version of all my youtube videos is shown below it. And I mention (in the video) if an important pre patch was installed. Btw. yes, the drones were changed, maybe my missions were one reason. The "easy" way I downed the terror UFO is not possible anymore. But I don't like/do the air fight anyway. Here is a link to a mission https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d3piT0zxhg&t=240s , Charon used one of my playthrough saves for it to show, how you can down the terror UFO AFTER these changes. And two good sniper shots down a sebillian any time. If you use the right sniper of cause. There are some weapons, which are not really good in my opinion. Best sniper weapons are Laser Mk3 (Phase1+2), Gauss Mk3 (Phase 3) and Rail Mk3 (Phase 4). Don't use other weapons for sniping (or you will indeed need more than 2 shots)
13. @grossbier Maybe you should try different squad mixes. Not everything can be done at any time. With weak weaponary or rookies you can't do big UFOs. Just do small ones, get XP for your Xenonauts and stuff for your scientists and engineers. By time you will get stronger and then you can do all aliens ships (although Androns will stay hard opponents at any time, but this is intended). Overall I find the game very well balanced, at least until the point, which my Youtube-LP (in German) actually reached ( https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLeCeI44U8FluG907nkx12YrLDtNZTl6kk ). I am mid of phase 3. Maybe you can find some ideas for your phase 2 problem there. Normally the only problematic times are the changes between two phases. When aliens and UFO are higher than your usable equipment. Btw. rifles are fine. I am using them on 4 of my 10 xenonauts as main weapon. And missile batteries also do their job, they have shot down several terror assault UFO for me. You just need to have enough of them (and no bad luck, sure).
14. The last single mission gave me 19 fibre (2 captured guards, 3 guard corpses), just around September 25th - now I am sure I had totally baseless fears. I could probably get into the first terror mission with even 2 Defenders
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Guarded definition
A guarded definition is one where at least one position suspects there will be pressure to stretch a concept and make it cover more than it ought to, and so they set aside a term meant to refer *narrowly* to the things inside the concept. Thus, if a term has been designated as a 'guarded definition', stretching it to cover new and non-central members that are not *very* clearly part of the definition, and agreed to be so by those who wanted to designate it as guarded, is an unusually strong discourtesy. If the term was originated (or its special meaning was originated) specifically in order to set it aside as a narrow and guarded term, then it is a discourse norm to respect that narrow meaning and not try to extend it.
Example: Suppose that Alice and Bob are having a conversation about natural selection. Alice points out that since everything occurs within Nature, all selection, including human agricultural breeding and genetic engineering, seems to her like 'natural selection', and she also argues that consumer choice in supermarkets is an instance of 'natural selection' since people are natural objects and they're selecting which foods to buy, and thus her paper on watching people buy food in supermarkets ought to be funded by a program on evolutionary biology. If Bob and his researchers then begin using the term 'ecologically natural selection' because they think it's important to have a narrow term to refer to just birds breeding in the wild and not consumer choice in supermarkets, it is an extreme discourtesy (and a violation of what we locally take to be discourse norms) for Alice to start arguing that really supermarkets are instances of ecologically natural selection too.
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Monday, January 26, 2009
Things that Make My Head Hurt Today
Speaker Nancy Pelosi tries to justify "family planning services" (including abortion) as economic stimulus.
Why? Because if low-income and impoverished women keep their babies, the government will be liable to feed and educate them.
I've heard this argument over and over: that abortion is better than children being destitute. And I've almost stopped trying to argue against it because it belies a certain ideological or philosophical blindness I just can't overcome by rhetoric.
But I've never heard it from a politician's mouth, let alone the Speaker of the House. And I never thought I'd hear the implication that infanticide is a financially beneficial concept.
American Christians are losing some of the key concepts of Christian theology, according to a recent Barna survey.
Here's the key quote:
Evidence of people’s willingness to part with church teaching was shown in other data from the survey regarding what people believe. Among individuals who describe themselves as Christian, for instance, close to half believe that Satan
does not exist, one-third contend that Jesus sinned while He was on earth, two-fifths say they do not have a responsibility to share the Christian faith with others, and one-quarter dismiss the idea that the Bible is accurate in all of the principles it teaches.
*head-desk* *head-desk* *head-desk*
Okay. First, I have to hope that Barna's definition of "Christian" (or the responders' understanding of it) plays a part here. But even so, this shows a troubling circumstance for those who claim Christianity.
Here's the deal, gang. If you are a Christian, a Jesus-follower, there are certain beliefs involved. This is part of what the belief system entails.
First, the Bible says clearly, that Satan is real, that He is our enemy, and He will one day be eternally condemned by God. Second, the Bible says that Jesus was sinless, because in order for Jesus to be our high priest before God, and our substitute who takes on the wrath of God for our sin, He could not have sin of his own. Further, a God who sins is not holy. Read the books of Romans and Hebrews, people, c'mon! Third, IF you believe in that the only way to Heaven is through Jesus, and IF you believe that anyone who doesn't enter through that narrow gate is condemned to hell, then you have a MORAL OBLIGATION to communicate that truth to as many people as you can. As Penn Teller so accurately stated in a video a few weeks back, how much do you have to hate someone in order to let them be hit by the (metaphorical) dumptruck hurtling toward them??? Finally, the accuracy of the Bible is the lynch-pin to all of this, I think, because all of the links I'm putting up are practically meaningless if you don't think the Bible is trustworthy. Because I find it logically inconsistent that someone claims to base their belief about God on a book that they second-guess half the time, because at that point there's no way to know what's accurate and what's not. (But we've had this argument before, haven't we?)
So there. A great big "gaaaah." Why can't Christians just read the Bible? Dang.
Because I haven't pissed off enough people so far, how about this: Annalee Newitz is an IDIOT.
[Before dissecting her arguments, I have to take issue with the phrase, "the Obama Era." This "era" has lasted (at most) ten weeks or so. Yes, I'll even allow the time since the election to be included. So far, I've heard a lot of jabbering about "the Obama Era." Hells bells, Gwen Ifill even wrote a book about it. But I beg of you, please pretty please, can we tone down the purple haze of "hopenchange" until the man (MAN, I said) has actually DONE stuff?]
Newitz asks if the blockbuster TV show "Battlestar Galactica" is still relevent in the current administration. For those of you uninitiated, BSG is a brilliantly conceived and produced, but admittedly left-leaning, sci-fi program. Yes, it's left-leaning, and if Adama's "is our civilization worth saving?" question doesn't convince you, the subtext of moral equivalence should. However, I still dig the show, and watch it every week. But Newitz gives point/counterpoint on whether the show has become a relic of the past "age" (the "Dark Ages" apparently).
She commends the show's multi-cultural, gender-equal leadership. As one commenter astutely points out, the Bush Administration was the most diverse (in regards to race and gender) of ANY administration up to that point, and so far the Obama "era" is only equally so. But then Newitz says the show exhibits liberal siege mentality, and adds, "Zarek and Gaeta's mutiny plot feels like something written for the Bush Era, a cautionary tale of what happens when xenophobia creeps into national policy." Because that's what it was about, hating all foreigners. *eyeroll* Newitz then cites the show's dwindling relevance by stating "the torture years are over."
Maybe this should be a whole post by itself. Suffice it to say, those five words speak volumes. Her next sentence: "Now that Obama has shut down Gitmo and other foreign prisons, we lack that feeling of panicked recognition as we watch the humans and cylons abusing each other." Okay, first, Gitmo? Not closed. Not yet. There's SO MUCH TO DO before that happens, but folks like Newitz are already dancing in the streets over it. After a quote, Newitz asks if the show won't be taken as seriously without a president who's "beating the 'war on terror' drum". Ugh. That's right, folks. Bush made the whole thing up.
Here's the killer: Newitz describes the show's still relevant examination of the connectedness of religion and politics, but then says that "religious war is being replaced by religious peace."
Um, what?
"Culture wars between Judeo-Christians and Muslims may be on the wane with Obama addressing his inaugural speech to 'a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus, and non-believers.' ... Under Obama, it's possible that this civilization gap will start to close... If Obama makes good on his promises of religious tolerance, in eight years BSG's religious anguish and culty weirdness may look as dated as Logan's Run."
...Wow. Really?
Is Ms. Newitz's life SO sheltered that she doesn't see that there is GLOBAL conflict? Radical Muslims targeting ALL faiths? And she thinks, as so many do, that Obama is somehow going to calm all world conflicts, and unite us in peace and harmony?
I'm sorry, kids. It's not going to happen. And it's the peak of naivete to buy into that. Because like it or not, we have enemies that are even now burning Obama in effigy and still crying out "death to America." That's not going away. Not in four years, not in eight, maybe not ever.
Come back to the real world, Annalee. It's scarier, sure, but it's still worth living here.
This is just freaking ridiculous. Not on par with the idiocy above, but still ridiculous. Thanks, Manders.
LeLe said...
I think we've been reading the same blogs today, my friend. My head hurts too. I don't think I can add anything to it b/c I agree with everything you say.
Trav said...
1. I know, right? This is not the first time I have heard this point presented in the abortion debate, yet it always shocks me. Of course it is "financially beneficial." Good thing it isn't a fiscal issue. Until we start trading our moral and ethical values for fiscal ones, the point is irrelevant. Should cannibalism be grounds for dismissal in murder cases since it is less wasteful?
2. I intended to post a link (and my associated reaction) to this article last week, but never found the time. I was surprised, but more than anything else I was embarrassed, Dave. This study proves that we Christians are not only lazy, we can be pretty stupid as well.
A Christian that doesn't believe the Bible? Just wow.
3. Sorry, I've got nuttin. I haven't watched BSG in years. I used to catch a few bits and pieces of the first season when I wasn't in school, but only when Toni let me have the remote.
As for Obama the Great, you should know that even his supporters are getting tired of hearing about him in the news.To quote The King, we need "a little less conversation and a lot more action." I don't recall seeing anyone burning him in effigy yet, though.
Obama, not Elvis.
4. The video wouldn't play for me. Somehow, I think it is for the best.
5. (not shown) When you gonna get your Haloscan comments back up, yo?
Dave said...
Trav: re: #3, I direct your attention to things like this:
and this:
Re: #5. I don't know. I'll get around to it. Now that I've been lazy and let Blogger's commenting run for a while, i'm loathe to put out the effort--yet i still don't want to "lose" the comments from previous months. I don't know. we'll figure something out.
Trav said...
I realize that there are people out there who hate the United States and everything we stand for. (It's not like we have been making very many friends over the last few years.) I wasn't trying to imply that Obama has no enemies. Even in our country, among our own citizens, I am sure there are many people who wish the man ill. Evil can't be voted away.
But Obama is enjoying the highest approval rating of any U.S. president, all around the world. That gives me a little bit of comfort, anyway. People are more apt to trust, follow, and listen to the people they like.
Dave said...
Oh, I don't dispute the approval rating. He's very popular right now, and should use that capital to make some really tough but necessary decisions.
In my original post, I said that our enemies are burning him in effigy, contrary to Ms. Newitz's rosy outlook of inter-religious peace and kumbaya. That's what I was addressing, and the links were in support of that argument.
Trav said...
It looks like we both agree: Ms. Newitz needs to pull her head out and wipe her eyes. The picture she paints is a target to aim for...certainly not a snapshot of our current situation.
Anonymous said...
I only have a comment about the cookie monster video. To be a father who's daughter loves Cookie Monster, it is VERY helpful to promote eating healthy food by a blue furry monster on her favorite tv show. Elmo and Cookie are her favorites so if they promote healthy food eating, it just helps Hayden to want to eat vegetables. Because believe me, it is hard to get her to eat them on her own or even with us telling her to eat them.
I thought all of the rest of the post was unimportant.
Hahaha, just kidding, the other parts were important. I just don't know enough to comment. So I will just end by saying that this post needed more cowbell.
Trevor said...
Granted BSG has its left leaning, it has actually presented both sides well. I do not see the last ten episodes as a commentary on politics right now. People have to remember that filming for the "last 10" was completed before the election. This commentary about the upcoming mutiny on BSG is reading into it way too much. I believe the writers are just aiming to end the story well. They are not going to blow 4 season of show by restricting there writing to current political events. They were heading to an ending and that ending was written before the Presidential election really even heated up.
Houston or bust for the series finally.
Trevor said...
By the way. Pelosi is the Wicked Witch of the West.
Trevor said...
By the way, again. American Christians must have Reformation before Revival.
Anonymous said...
About Nancy Pelosi: I think she's been reading too much Jonathan Swift...
Dave said...
Trev: Love you dude. And that's a good point about the filming.
Jill: Nice observation.
Kelly: I recognize the importance of proper diet (no really, I do). My concern is that you are selling out a beloved children's icon of thirty-plus years. Cookie monster eats cookies. Period. You could play it as "Oh, Cookie Monster, don't you know that we should eat other foods?" "But Cookie Monster only eat cookie!" Etc. I should totally write for Sesame Street. That would be awesome.
Rant over. Positive posts for tomorrow.
Plus, as promised, K, in the next week, I'll start doing the "greatness of America" series.
Trevor said...
I get upset when people dis on the Cookie Monster. People are trying to blame their irresponsibility, lack of moderation, and poor parenting on the Cookie Monster.
"Cookie sometime food. Vegetables anytime food. SOMETIME IS RIGHT NOW!!! MMMMMGOBBLEMMMGOBBLEMMMM!!!"
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i think okay i think that the simplest
optimal policy
is gonna
never do nothing probably and collect
even more resources
because it's very easy to encode
getting one dollar ninety six times i
wanna get one dollar
so the so part of the takeaway here is
from this argument
this compression thing this compression
phenomenon
means that
we end up choosing simpler things even
without a simplicity prior like even
with just a pure uniform prior it's
going to be implicitly
looking for simple policies in the sense
that they they compress whatever's going
on they need very few parameters to
specify
right if you have that data stream yeah
and i mean even even without a data
stream like in general you're going to
be
locking in as few parameters as possible
makes sense
so that's the that's why i think
the the min guard thing they really
didn't need to
uh demonstrate a simplicity prior at all
once they had this that was all they
needed
make sense
all right
so the point of those examples was
mostly to build a sort of intuition
and now i want to talk about like the
more general version of the thing we're
trying to build intuition for okay
so you've got
some some problem that you're trying to
solve right somebody want to name a
problem
solving cancer
curing cancer the alignment problem
chips
don't die of ai good choice
don't die of
ai
cool
and then we have some very large like
exponentially huge space of possible
solutions right
and uh within that space
uh
like the exponentially vast majority of
things don't solve it
right
uh of those that do solve it the
exponentially vast majority acquire lots
of resources so here we have don't work
don't work
probably quite a lot of fairly cheap
die of something else
first
lull yes that's true
all right i'm going to ignore that for
now we'll come back to that later
of those
of those
which uh
do work also
actually uh even before that
of those
there's also a
space of policies which do work
which
let's say these are the ones which like
do the thing we actually want there's a
space of policies which do work
but
uh don't look like they work and the
space which don't work but do look like
they work right
so let's say here's look like they work
in general
if you want to rely on a strategy like
pick a random solution
and then have a human check to see if it
looks good
hold on hold on
if you want us if you want to be like
filtering in that way have a human
filtering step
then
[Music]
in order in order to get a good solution
out of that you have to find one which
is both good and looks good to a human
claim there are exponentially more
solutions that look good to a human
than solutions which are good and look
good to a human because basically every
condition you add always like
drops off exponentially large amounts of
the space
makes sense
so there's that problem
uh
isn't it also like an air 2 r3 kind of
argument what's that an r2 r3
kind of argument where yes you look good
is the surface
is good
yeah exactly so like looking looking
good just locks in exponentially fewer
parameters
than uh than actually doing the thing
uh what else
yeah okay so like the the general
principle that i'm trying to hammer in
here is that like
the reason the problem is hard is a
feature of the original problem space
like we have not actually mentioned
agent dais we haven't mentioned like
powerful optimizers other than the fact
that they need to do some optimization
to find a solution to the problem right
we're really just talking about the the
structure of the problem space here and
saying like look exponentially vast
majority of the problem space doesn't
work
exponentially vast majority of the stuff
which
looks like it works doesn't
yes
if you don't i haven't like talked about
all these things does that mean that
these apply also in scenarios where the
thing doing like the optimization is not
just one ai but like a
market of ai like this kind of yep with
multiple scenarios where there's no food
there's nothing like yep so let's let's
go through a few of those real quick so
like uh first of all so
just non-singleton just scenarios which
don't look like the giant ai taking over
the world
if you have an oracle ai
you ask it to come up with a plan
well if it's sampling from the space of
plans guess what the vast majority of
the planes don't work even if it finds
one that looks like it works it probably
doesn't
uh
yeah and just like the whatever question
you ask
the
part of the plan space
for solving that question while also
being compatible with human values is
going to be exponentially tiny
how is it that we ever actually do
things in practice at all
good question
i'm not going to answer that right now
but good question
uh then there was the thing that adam
was saying about like having multiple
ais and markets same thing i mean you
you could have like look at case right
uh
you you're just like
asking the asking it to do something and
like whatever you're asking it to do is
going to be searching over some problem
space and we have the same set of issues
like it's going to be an exponentially
large problem space
exponentially vast majority of like
things that technically solve the
problem are going to be not particularly
compatible with human values so on and
so forth right
so we're
so again
main point here is like it's about the
structure of the problem space it has
nothing to nothing really to do with the
particular architecture of the ai or
what the scenario looks like or whatever
okay
all right
uh
so
how do we solve it uh
big point here is if you want to be
solving problems in a way that's
compatible with human values if you want
a safe genie instead of an unsafe genie
then
you're going to need a lot of bits from
somewhere right
like the what's fundamentally hard about
the problem is you have to get all those
bits about what the hell human values
are and like actually narrow down to
that part of the search space
so again
note that we're not not talking at all
about structure of ai we're just saying
it's all about human values what the
are they how do we understand them
how do we like narrow in on the part of
the search space that's compatible with
human values
make sense
so that's most of what the the next part
of the talk is going to be about okay so
what you're claiming here is something
like there is probably a part of solving
the problem that involves like solving
the theory practice theory practice gap
but like
actually making the problem feasible in
the first place
requires finding all
this like a lot of bits of evidence to
hit the now target right just like
i don't know and start finding general
relativity
like all his bits exactly hitting and
then fiddling around to get their
parameters right and thing is not the
hardest part of the problem yep
there you go
uh
let's see
okay uh
that's like the main section of the talk
that's directly talking about why
alignment is hard
uh
now is a good time for questions
comments
anything along the lines of but why
won't x just
i work
i don't think you have the right
audience for that though
does this explain why humans love
resources
no does it explain why humans love
resources so much
i feel like it does to me
if i think about my own personal
psychology all right
when i have
something like money
it gives me options
yup like the space of things you can do
is just way larger right
i also think of it often as being like
the space or like the the set of things
that i can recover from
is much larger like
i'm facing uncertainty things can happen
in the future that will just suddenly
require a lot of resources and if i have
a lot then i just keep going yep
there's a certain difference between it
being a kind of well-calibrated thing
even if it's a little bit
dystopian
it's like
there's a difference between being a
well-tolerated kind of thing that was
selected for
versus it arising out of the
um
the relative scarcity of policy
but don't do that
one thing worth noting possibly about
human beings is that
we
we don't have like a neural network with
a certain number of parameters which is
then selected
if we then select a parameterization of
the model
because we evolved every parameter we
have
arrived with a job to do
like
we got more neurons to do more things
so we don't have this situation of just
like oh if we didn't have to do that
we'd have all of these spare neurons
that came from nowhere not quite true so
there's so two things going on here uh
first one
with when we're thinking about humans
there's two levels there's like when i
personally am planning something all of
this still applies like the vast
majority of ways i can get the thing i
want are going to involve acquiring
resources and so on and so forth
uh second there's at the level of
evolution evolutions like
uh selecting strategies selecting
genomes that are going to perform well
uh
thing you probably already know
uh the vast majority of your dna is junk
so in fact evolution did have a a crap
ton of space to play with the
the number of free parameters was quite
large but like i definitely have the
sense that
when i meditate and look at my cognition
i'm like this is mostly junk and more
like junk dna than like stuff that was
selected for
another another way to frame it
i just want to say i don't think that
like transposons are free parameters
partly true
it's just not optimizing
partly true
another way to think of it though which
probably gets around that is uh
in general evolution
or any sort of local search algorithm
is more likely to find broader optima
right
like the broader your optimum is the
more likely you're going to hit it which
is very much the same sort of thing
we've been talking about here like the
breadth of the optoma
of the optimum is basically quantifying
in a way how many degrees of freedom you
have the more degrees of freedom you
have the broader that optimum
right
so the same the same sort of argument
basically works even without this sort
of sampling assumption when we're
talking about local search
uh that is going to find a a solution
with a lot of degrees of freedom to it
it's still broad accessible on the back
that's most
yeah to access it if it's local search
you're wandering around
exactly yeah big one of the biggest
basic out of the best and we can access
because it's probably a bunch of basis
that you can actually access
definitely of the sense that my
cognition just like fills all available
spaces
mostly
really
really
that was horrified
before we go in the next one yes
if i if i if you take your argument
about
power seriously for the evolution
shouldn't most of dna be
something that is like
powerful like resources like gathering
resources for evolution or something so
instead of joke what the argument would
roughly say is that you have a lot of
junk
and then but mostly that's screened off
mostly the junk doesn't matter it can
change around and not do anything
which is true like your dna like the
junk parts of your dna can in fact
change around a lot without breaking
anything
exactly
then the parts that remain are the like
actually functional parts and that's the
part that's like under compression
pressure
makes sense
uh
one more
minor note on that
while we're on the topic of humans and
evolution and all that
uh
inner agents
are essentially a way of compressing
yeah i mean risk risk from an
organization does yep
that yeah that's exactly what the what
that argument and risk from learned
optimizations did
so we should expect
inner agents for exactly the same
reasons as these arguments from before
lots of them in the same space exactly
exactly
and for purposes of for purposes of
stuff we're going to be talking about
that's mainly mostly relevant in so far
as humans or inner agents for evolution
make sense
all right
then that concludes section one
turn over
exactly uh going back to the outline
uh we have now talked about
underdetermined optimization
next part is about what humans want
and remember our goal here is like
ultimately we want to get all those bits
we need in order to zoom into the part
of the search space which is compatible
with human values
so
uh
general question how complex are human
values really
anybody have thoughts how how would you
estimate this fear me estimate how
complex are
they yep
awesome
give me that number again 700 megabytes
yes
we can go a lot smaller than that with
the genome argument but that's a good
upper bound
that's also assuming that the values are
literally incurred in the genome which
would be yeah so
yep so an important point here is uh
obviously obviously a lot of the like
information that goes into our values we
do absorb from the environment the good
news is that part we don't really need
to care about
as long as we like can figure out the
parts that are hard-coded then we can
just go put our ai in the environment
and it can absorb that information damn
self right like that part of it is not
the hard part
we have plenty of environment to learn
from
the
humans have access to value
do humans have access to human values in
what sense
yes and no uh to a large extent my
answer to that is i don't care i just
want my ai to like not do things that
are obviously not what i want
right like remember the point of this
was to just zoom in on the search base
which is the part i want
and like clearly humans for the most
part are able to do that
like not particularly reliably
admittedly
as you as you mentioned there's a lot of
junk but like
better at it yeah time
okay
there's something that feels off about
your we only need the hard-coded parts
in genome size great yeah which is
something like
you sort of need to be able to screen
off the ones that
do what you want like there's a bunch of
stuff that are in the genome such brain
yep like monkey brain
kind of thing yep can be bad things
can be things that we don't reflectively
uh value or like
that's true and like the whole you know
there's a lot of like signaling and bias
and all this yeah and so it sounds a
little more subtle than
learning exactly
the part that is hard coded it's more
learning the right bits of the part that
i call them yes the the important part
there like the the parts that we are
trying to get at here are in fact
generally hard-coded there there's going
to be other stuff hard-coded that we
need to separate out but the important
point here is that like the parts that
are hard-coded give us an upper bound on
how complex this thing is that we're
trying to figure out
so now i want to run with rob's genome
argument for a minute and argue that we
can narrow it down a lot more
than 800 megabytes
so first of all
like vast majority of genome is
junk dna is
not really
accurate given our modern knowledge but
like certainly not doing all that much i
don't think you can quite do that
because
i think that's the number for it
compressed
yes correct i'm accounting for that
we're going to be hopping to the the
next part is going to go even further
uh next
uh just looking at uh functional genes
uh so like protein coding genes you've
got about 30 000 of them you've got a
bunch of other functional stuff but it's
not going to throw us off by an order of
magnitude okay so we've got like 30 000
functional things the vast majority of
those are
not doing anything that's likely to be
particularly closely related to
cognition they're doing like basic
metabolic stuff or like
uh morphological patterning or whatever
right
um
yep there you go so any basically
anything we have common in plants
with plants we can largely rule out uh
yes
maybe it's completely rather like what
about if commission isn't body
like it's not going to be embodied in a
way where we're going to need to account
for every single function of every
single gene so yeah
so like right off the bat we can trim it
down to like
at most we're talking about
like
on the order of thousands of simple
chemical functions
right like that that's what that's
that's what we're looking at here at
most thousands of simple chemical
functions if we come at it from the
other end if you look at like steve's
work for instance
thinking about like what are the
hard-coded things out of which our
brains are
figuring out all the other stuff about
values
we have something like for instance
we're born with a very fuzzy crappy face
detector
so if you're asking like uh how many
things on the order of complexity of
that fuzzy crappy face detector could
plausibly fit in a few thousand genes
then
reasonable order of a magnitude estimate
would be
hundreds at most probably more like tens
so my
my like fermi estimate for how
complicated how how complex or human
values are the the core of it that from
which we can generate the rest of it
order magnitude estimate i'm thinking
like
on the order of tens at most hundreds of
things about as complicated as a very
fuzzy face detector
this makes me think that the
overwhelming majority of human values
are in the environment
yes i agree with that
which is interesting
it's actually like super
like that's the state of the art for
like social science or like modern
essential or something like nobody would
be oh all the values are in
no but like
i still would anticipate
a person i guess it depends how
different the environment is but like if
you ask me if you took a person and you
um
you know raise them on another planet
on their own
maybe that person would really really
just
not have
like really fundamental things we would
consider to be really fundamental human
values but i would be slightly surprised
by that or at least that it couldn't
that it that that person wouldn't find
over the course of their life
this a lot of the same things well okay
one of the same things because they can
like value or have value about with
input the same thing but like in the
history of humanity people have
value disagreement about a lot of things
the
whether certain type of people are with
people what is important what is not
like there's a lot
of stuff i mean okay okay one person is
purely in isolation
right
language
a group of like babies
and
you allow them to grow up around each
other
i feel like they developed some basic
moral code right
like a possibly quite specific i don't
know i don't know it's a third
experiment which the damn
research ethics calls one of those do
yeah
i don't even know if they've develop
language because i feel like apparently
language comes from
listening and repeating language by
pattern
so you might have a bunch of like dead
like not like mute babies that's
interesting
let's probably go back to
i really wanna know you only have to
ruin like five
period before
so
what would you say maybe 70 000 years
with like experience like pretty pretty
minor
all right
i'm uh yep i'm declaring this to be
dinner conversation
come back to it uh
so that's like
not that much complexity at the end of
the day right it really doesn't sound
that bad so what's so hard
so first problem
we're not really sure what kind of thing
we're even looking for
yep
what are
we
even
looking for
and in particular we're going to
operationalize that as uh types of human
values
type signature
type signature
of
human values
uh and then the other part of the
question is
once we have some idea of what we're
looking for how do we go out and measure
it
and that's going to
involve abstractions and modularity and
all that jazz
fortunately i don't particularly
give a what those people have to
say about it
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what i would also say is like
if it is in fact impossible to do this
so let's
work on it anyway
okay
if they said
no
that would be weird
if they said is it the kind of thing
where if somebody showed me my own
values in some
legible form yes and i would sort of had
no choice but to say yes that they would
actually not be a real i think on
reflection you would certainly endorse
them
there may be there may be some
reflection involved but yes but my
question is not whether i would endorse
them but like
whether i would have any choice about
endorsing them is there something that i
would be
i mean you can say the word no
it doesn't mean you're gonna believe it
but
you can say the word now all right
uh
yeah so
next two sections of the talk are
basically focused on these two pieces
type signatures of human values and
everything that goes into that
then the one after that is going to be
abstraction modularity and whatnot okay
so within type signatures
type signatures
first
we're going to talk a bit about
coherence arguments
because usually they're very poorly done
and like we want to be clear on what
they do give us what they don't give us
so on and so forth
okay
uh second we're going to talk about
world models
and then third
there's the pointers problem
and then we'll talk about other bits and
pieces
the largest of which
so the largest thing we won't go into
much detail on is going to be
decision theory
and counterfactuals
especially counterfactuals
oh that's definitely important mainly i
just don't have as much to say on it
like it's not been a primary focus of
mine and other people just
have much better things to say on the
topic
mainly abram
yeah uh general strategy that we're
going to be using for thinking about
these
is selection theorems
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uh or selection arguments more generally
basically it's similar to
the sorts of things we were talking
about before
we want to
make arguments of the form
most of the possible like human designs
that will perform well in some way or
another will have some properties right
so if we're thinking about like space of
possible human genomes that could have
evolved we want to say like well most of
the
possible genomes that would
uh have high reproductive fitness will
like have a world model or have not a
utility function but something similar
to that
so on and so forth makes sense
so that's the sort of form of the thing
we're going to be looking at
and to kick it off i want to do just
like a simple toy example of a selection
argument to see what that looks like
okay
so this is going to be the kelly
criteria
uh kelly criteria uh our agent is an
investor in a financial market
or alternatively a better in a betting
market however you want to think of it
they're going to start out with some
wealth w naught
at each time step they're going to make
some bets and get some returns r t
so that
after t time steps
t time
their final wealth is going to be w
naught
times
product on t
e to the rt
okay
uh so they're the things they could
invest in potentially include cash so
they could be holding cash but that's
just sort of baked in here we're not
going to be explicit about it okay
all right
so
uh
cool thing about this series
i can rewrite that as w naught e to the
sum on t rt
uh assuming that
each time step is independent which is
like the the sort of core assumption
behind the kelly criterion so whatever
the financial markets are doing at each
time step is independent of the previous
time steps we have a sum of independent
random variables here
so
this is going to be
approximately
w naught e to the number of time steps
times
an expected value of r
so basically an average value of r based
on the actual frequencies of outcomes
plus uh some noise of order root n
o of
root n
so the main the main conclusion of kelly
is that well
uh in the long run
uh
agents
which
maximize
oh sorry that yeah
expectation of r
at each time step
achieve the most wealth
achieve sorry exponentially most wealth
so for instance
uh so
this is there are ways in which this is
an imperfect model of a real financial
market but like as a simple first pass
model you might say well if we go look
at investors in the stock market
then we might guess that most of the
money invested
is invested according to a kelly
criterion rule
makes sense
that you maximize the expected returns
at each step yeah uh subtlety here
just based on the notation i'm using
compared to like
what you might use in other places uh
really this is a log return so like this
is log expected log of your wealth next
time step
which is the usual way the kelly rule is
stated is you want to maximize your
expected log wealth at the next time
step
and the low growth includes both your
like stop holdings
and any cash yep so whatever whatever
possible things could happen in the next
time step based on the portfolio you're
holding now any dividends any cash
whatever
you just take the log of that and
maximize the expected value and why
would you not want to just like why
would anyone
invest in any way that wasn't at least
trying to imagine today
oh boy that's that's uh that's a fun
topic right there uh
so first of all
if you if you just like have a utility
function
it may be that
something other than the kelly rule
maximizes your utility function and like
anyone with that utility function just
loses all of their money in the long run
but like that's still maximizing so like
you could try to maximize expected
wealth that's the classic example of
this then you have the gambler's ruin
problem where like every time step
uh you expect to
you have like a 50 chance of tripling
your wealth and a 50 chance of losing
all of it
and then like after end time steps
you've almost certainly lost all of it
but there's like an exponentially small
chance that you have an exponentially
large wealth right so like if you're
maximizing
expected wealth then that's the thing to
do right
what this would say to do is maximize
the log expected wealth which would mean
that you don't put literally all of your
wealth in the thing that might lose
literally all of its value
so the love cancels out the exponential
something like that right
so r is
like yes our r is log wealth the next
time
now the the important thing to take away
from here this is not like
a selection theorem that we're actually
going to use for thinking about humans
but the point is sort of the form of the
argument
the argument is saying that uh anything
that performs well in the long run
will be doing this
right anything that doesn't do this is
going to be strictly dominated by
something else with probability one so
the vast another way would say it would
be the vast majority of successful
agents or eight successful agents in the
vast majority of worlds will be doing
this right
uh yeah so it's
it's not necessarily a theorem that says
uh kelly agents are always going to win
that
right
like logically there are worlds in which
they won't but like
with arbitrarily high probability
exactly
for the right selection pressure slash
mechanism you should expect kelly
kreuter
i mean this this is what the gambler's
ruin is all about is like if you can
have like exponentially growing wealth
but then some probability of losing it
all at each time step
then the way you maximize your expected
wealth is to put it all in every time
step and then you go broke but you
maximized your expected wealth yeah
all right
uh
cool
i think we're going to do
coherence arguments and then we'll uh
wrap up for today
which is exactly where i expected to get
to so perfect
yeah
i mean i was expecting some amount of
kibitzing which is why the
forecast is there all right
so we
went over this sort of very quickly a
couple days ago but on to try to do it
with a bit more a
bit more care
okay so we'll start with the car all
right so you have a car
you are optimizing it for several things
you're optimizing it for speed
you're optimizing it for price
uh give me one more thing we want to
optimize our card design for coolness
coolness
style
i would like to point out that style is
a cooler way to say coolness than
coolness is
and uh we have a bunch of bunch of like
parts of the car that we can adjust in
order to achieve these objectives like
we have the engine
we have the body
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the volume
okay
we're just we're just gonna go with
three and three for now so we have these
are all like knobs we can turn
and these are objectives we want to
achieve right
uh
now let's say
we want to think about like
how each of these knobs we can turn
allows us to trade off between things
right
so let's say we could for instance
pay
an extra 100 on the engine
so price
goes up 100
in exchange for
speed going up
wait a minute yes uh
intuitively we want speed and we don't
want price
yes so units wise
all right we'll we'll just make this
negative price and then
these are all things we want to
maximize okay
what's that whether you want higher
all right and then uh tweaking the
engine like putting another hundred
dollars into the engine will give us
let's say plus 10 uh speed units
to avoid committing to what the hell
speed units we're using uh and we are
generally going to assume here that it's
a continuous dial so and you know
everything's roughly linear so like this
also means we could uh
go 100 the other way save 100 bucks on
the engine and lose about 10 speed units
you know it'll be convex not a perfect
approximation but roughly
okay
uh meanwhile
on the paint side of things oh and uh
all this is
having zero impact on the style
we'll just assume that
i mean i mean there are changes you
could make to the engine that would
impact the style but we're we're
assuming that we're holding those
constants
meanwhile on the body side of things
let's think about ways we can change the
body while holding the style constant to
trade off between price and speed
so let's say on the body we could spend
an extra
thousand dollars
to get uh an extra 10 units
of speed
yes we've added lots of lightness like
you really have to put a lot of
lightness into that body to get much
more speed but we've for a thousand
dollars we can do that
all right
and then the claim is uh again this is
all continuous so like we could spend a
thousand dollars less on the body and
get 10 fewer units of speed right
and the claim here is with these numbers
we can get a pareto improvement
in our objectives
how do we do that
so the body we're trading a thousand
dollars for ten speed
and the energy
only trading 100 yep right so we should
be making that body
there you go so you bring the bony tray
off so on the body side we'll uh save a
thousand
at the cost of minus 10 units of speed
and then on the engine side we'll be
like hey
uh
we'll uh we'll spend a hundred dollars
to get those 10 units of speed back in
fact let's spend another 100
and get slightly less than another 10
units of speed
and now
overall we've saved 800 dollars
and we've gained 10 units of speed
right
so we have this comparative advantage
thing going on right you're specializing
according to the trade-off ratios i mean
i thought you we didn't gain much speed
right because we have minus 10 and
little
minus 10 and then we did
cancel that out with the engine and then
through another plus 10 from the engine
okay so we can do that twice yep roughly
so it'll be a little less than plus 10.
because like decreasing returns
if you did it just once
then you'd have
speed would be the same but you'd have
saved 900.
yep that would still be a pareto
improvement
many options there
all right
so now
next interesting question
uh under what circumstances will we not
be able to get this sort of pareto
improvement like when are we pareto
optimal what's the condition
yeah so in this case it's going to be
about ratios
uh so i've i've built in an assumption
here that these are not just
one-dimensional dials they're we can
adjust the engine to change the style or
the price or the speed
uh
and you know you can trade off any pair
of those
independently at some point any of these
things
or something
correct
yep
so
when all of the ratios are
the same there's nothing to move bingo
that's the condition when all of the
ratios are the same
for the engine
correct
so
yeah we what we have effectively is sort
of a set of trade-offs for the engine
so like we have a
trade-off
ratio of
our engine speed
our engine price
our engine
style
and then for the body we have our body
speed
to our
body price to our
body style
and same for the paint job
and we
are on the pareto frontier
basically when these are equal
all of those ratios are the same
and in a market system those would be
the prices so prices are just
quantifying those trade-off ratios
all right
let's change this example up
now we have
same
same card design thing but a different
set of objectives
this time we're going to optimize for
speed
and rain
speed and sun
and speed and snow
all right
how does this change the problem
there's a relationship there's a
trade-off between the different two days
like fundamentals
so the important point here is that
this hasn't really changed the problem
at all i just changed the names of
things
so exactly the same equilibrium
condition is going to apply
if we are pareto optimal between speed
and rain and speed and sun speed and
snow then we should find that
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Radical Probabilism [Transcript]
*(Talk given on Sunday 21st June, over a zoom call with 40 attendees. Abram Demski is responsible for the talk, Ben Pace is responsible for the transcription)*
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**Abram Demski:** I want to talk about this idea that, for me, is an update from the logical induction result that came out of MIRI a while ago. I feel like it's an update that I wish the entire LessWrong community had gotten from logical induction but it wasn't communicated that well, or it's a subtle point or something.
**Abram Demski:** But hopefully, this talk isn't going to require any knowledge of logical induction from you guys. I'm actually going to talk about it in terms of philosophers who had a very similar update starting around, I think, the '80s.
**Abram Demski:** There's this philosophy called 'radical probabilism' which is more or less the same insight that you can get from thinking about logical induction. Radical probabilism is spearheaded by this guy Richard Jeffrey who I also like separately for the Jeffrey-Bolker axioms which I've written about on LessWrong.
**Abram Demski:** But, after the Jeffrey-Bolker axioms he was like, well, we need to revise Bayesianism even more radically than that. Specifically he zeroed in on the consequences of Dutch book arguments. So, the Dutch book arguments which are for the Kolmogorov axioms, or alternatively the Jeffrey-Bolker axioms, are pretty solid. However, you may not immediately realize that this does not imply that Bayes' rule should be an update rule.
**Abram Demski:** You have Bayes' rule as a fact about your static probabilities, that's fine. As a fact about conditional probabilities, Bayes' rule is just as solid as all the other probability rules. But for some reason, Bayesians take it that you start with these probabilities, you make an observation, and then you have now these probabilities. These probabilities should be updated by Bayes' rule. And the argument for that is not super solid.
**Abram Demski:** There are two important flaws with the argument which I want to highlight. There is a Dutch book argument for using Bayes' rule to update your probabilities, but it makes two critical assumptions which Jeffrey wants to relax. Assumption one is that updates are always and precisely accounted for by propositions which you learn, and everything that you learn and moves your probabilities is accounted for in this proposition. These are usually thought of as sensory data. Jeffrey said, wait a minute, my sensory data isn't so certain. When I see something, we don't have perfect introspective access to even just our visual field. It's not like we get a pixel array and know exactly how everything is. So, I want to treat the things that I'm updating on as, themselves, uncertain.
**Abram Demski:** Difficulty two with the Dutch book argument for Bayes' rule as an update rule, is that it assumes you know already how you would update, hypothetically, given different propositions you might observe. Then, given that assumption, you can get this argument that you need to use Bayes' rule. Because I can Dutch-book you based on my knowledge of how you're going to update. But if I don't know how you're updating, if your update has some random element, subjectively random, if I can't predict it, then we get this radical treatment of how you're updating. We get this picture where you believe things one day and then you can just believe different things the next day. And there's no Dutch book I can make to say you’re irrational for doing that. “I've thought about it more and I've changed my mind.”
**Abram Demski:** This is very important for logical uncertainty (which Jeffrey didn't realize because he wasn't thinking about logical uncertainty). That's why we came up with this philosophy, thinking about logical uncertainty. But Jeffrey came up with it just by thinking about the foundations and what we can argue a rational agent must be.
**Abram Demski:** So, that's the update I want to convey. I want to convey that Bayes' rule is not the only way that a rational agent can update. You have this great freedom of how you update.
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**Ben Pace:** Thank you very much, Abram. You timed yourself excellently.
**Ben Pace:** As I understand it, you need to have inexploitability in your belief updates and so on, such that people cannot reliably Dutch book you?
**Abram Demski:** Yeah. I say radical freedom meaning, if you have belief X one day and you have beliefs Y the next day, any pair of X and Y are justifiable, or potentially rational (as long as you don't take something that has probability zero and now give it positive probability or something like that).
**Abram Demski:** There are rationality constraints. It's not that you can do anything at all. The most concrete example of this is that you can't change your mind back and forth forever on any one proposition, because then I can money-pump you. Because I know, eventually, your beliefs are going to drift up, which means I can buy low and eventually your beliefs will drift up and then I can sell the bet back to you because now you're like, "That's a bad bet," and then I've made money off of you.
**Abram Demski:** If I can predict anything about how your beliefs are going to drift, then you're in trouble. I can make money off of you by buying low and selling high. In particular that means you can't oscillate forever, you have to eventually converge. And there's lots of other implications.
**Abram Demski:** But I can't summarize this in any nice rule is the thing. There's just a bunch of rationality constraints that come from non-Dutch-book-ability. But there’s no nice summary of it. There's just a bunch of constraints.
**Ben Pace:** I'm somewhat surprised and shocked. So, I shouldn't be able to be exploited in any obvious way, but this doesn't constrain me to the level of Bayes' rule. It doesn't constrain me to clearly knowing how my updates will be affected by future evidence.
**Abram Demski:** Right. If you do know your updates, then you're constrained. He calls that the rigidity condition. And even that doesn't imply Bayes' rule, because of the first problem that I mentioned. So, if you do know how you're going to update, then you don't want to change your conditional probabilities as a result of observing something, but you can still have these uncertain observations where you move a probability but only partially. And this is called a Jeffrey update.
**Ben Pace:** Phil Hazelden has a question. Phil, do you want to ask your question?
**Phil Hazelden:** Yeah. So, you said if you don't know how you'd update on an observation, then you get pure constraints on your belief update. I'm wondering, if someone else knows how you'd update on an observation but you don't, does that for example, give them the power to extract money from you?
**Abram Demski:** Yeah, so if somebody else knows, then they can extract money if you're not at least doing a Jeffrey update. In general, if a bookie knows something that you don't, then a bookie can extract money from you by making bets. So this is not a proper Dutch book argument, because what we mean by a Dutch book argument is that a totally ignorant bookie can extract money.
**Phil Hazelden:** Thank you.
**Ben Pace:** I would have expected that if I was constrained to not be exploitable then this would have resulted in Bayes' rule, but you're saying all it actually means is there are some very basic arguments about how you shouldn't be exploited but otherwise you can move very freely between. You can update upwards on Monday, down on Tuesday, down again on Wednesday, up on Thursday and then stay there and as long as I can’t predict it in advance, you get to do whatever the hell you like with your beliefs.
**Abram Demski:** Yep, and that's rational in the sense that I think rational should mean.
**Ben Pace:** I do sometimes use Bayes' rule in arguments. In fact, I've done it not-irregularly. Do you expect, if I fully propagate this argument I will stop using Bayes' rule in arguments? I feel it's very helpful for me to be able to say, all right, I was believing X on Monday and not-X on Wednesday, and let me show you the shape of my update that I made using certain probabilistic updates.
**Abram Demski:** Yeah, so I think that if you propagate this update you'll notice cases where your shift simply cannot be accounted for as Bayes' rule. But, this rigidity condition, the condition of “I already know how I would update hypothetically on various pieces of information”, the way Jeffrey talks about this (or at least the way some Jeffrey-interpreters talk about this), it's like: if you have considered this question ahead of time, of how you would update on this particular piece of information, then your update had better be either a Bayes' update or at least a Jeffrey update. In the cases where you think about it, it has this narrowing effect where you do indeed have to be looking more like Bayes.
**Abram Demski:** As an example of something that's non-Bayesian that you might become more comfortable with if you fully propagate this: you can notice that something is amiss with your model because the evidence is less probable than you would have expected, without having an alternative that you're updating towards. You update down your model without updating it down because of normalization constraints of updating something else up. "I'm less confident in this model now." And somebody asks what Bayesian update did you do, and I'm like "No, it's not a Bayesian update, it's just that this model seems shakier.".
**Ben Pace:** It’s like the thing where I have four possible hypotheses here, X, Y, Z, and “I do not have a good hypothesis here yet”. And sometimes I just move probability into “the hypothesis is not yet in my space of considerations”.
**Abram Demski:** But it's like, how do you do that if “I don't have a good hypothesis” doesn't make any predictions?
**Ben Pace:** Interesting. Thanks, Abram.
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Yvain's blog: Epistemic learned helplessness.
A friend in business recently complained about his hiring pool, saying that he couldn't find people with the basic skill of believing arguments. That is, if you have a valid argument for something, then you should accept the conclusion. Even if the conclusion is unpopular, or inconvenient, or you don't like it. He told me a good portion of the point of CfAR was to either find or create people who would believe something after it had been proven to them.
And I nodded my head, because it sounded reasonable enough, and it wasn't until a few hours later that I thought about it again and went "Wait, no, that would be the worst idea ever."
I don't think I'm overselling myself too much to expect that I could argue circles around the average high school dropout. Like I mean that on almost any topic, given almost any position, I could totally demolish her and make her look like an idiot. Reduce her to some form of "Look, everything you say fits together and I can't explain why you're wrong, I just know you are!" Or, more plausibly, "Shut up I don't want to talk about this!"
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Name: draico Proper name: Draico Ground string: Draico is here. Title: master of blades Created: Wed Oct 28 09:01:13 2015 Description ----------------------------------------------------- Big, bad and buffed, this mass of muscle towers to a height of about 6 and a half feet. His broad shoulders, powerfully built arms and chest and long legs look like they could be made of steel, and the stern look on his face gives the impression that he would not hesitate to use them. The hard expression frozen on his face and gleam in his deep blue eyes show how focused and alert this man is, As though he expects anything to spring out from behind any corner, at any moment. His arms seem slightly more tanned then the rest of his features, indicating that he does not wear long sleeved shirts or jackets very often, Perhaps to reveal the tattoo of the winged dagger showing on his right forearm. 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Landing. 25 Dived into the sewers below Gad's Landing to discover what was causing a blockage. 24 Expunged the taint from a forest and the rogue druid that created it. 24 Ended the evil plans of a rogue druid. 24 Treated the soil in the forest north of Smuggler's in hopes of removing the taint. 24 Gathered various samples throughout the tainted forest for a group of druids. 24 Escorted a druidess through the tainted forest on behalf of Smuggler's Cove. 23 Assassinated some young upstart who was trying to replace the boss in Smuggler's Cove. 23 Disposed of evidence that might have convicted a prisoner in Gad's Landing. 23 Snooped out and eliminated the spy hidden amongst the smugglers. 23 Smuggled a few items to prove they could be trusted. 23 Delivered a message to Smuggler's Cove from the Archipelago. 23 Sunk Thor's Hammer blocking the Viking raiders from getting their supplies. 38 Fulfilled the lifelong dream of a retired sea captain to view a mermaid 23 Eradicated the adaro in the atoll so the researchers could complete their work. 22 Delivered some much needed provisions to the lighthouse. 23 Became the fabled Black Bandit of Seaside. 22 Plundered the Copper Dragon for the Magistrate's book. 22 Heisted the fabled blue diamond off the Lady Luck. 23 Pilfered the chains of true binding off the ship known as the Leviathan. 23 Swiped a basilisk's egg off the Grumpy Dwarf. 21 Went fishing without a pole and got me a dragonfish. 23 Reclaimed a lost family heirloom. 22 Collected a few debts owed to the villagers of Seaside. 21 Dealt with the foul stench of Castle Kraftrager. 21 Collected a debt owed to Torba Hammerclaw. 21 Cleared out the castle. 21 Delivered a puppet to a woman in the carnival. 21 Delivered a message from the captain in Naphtali to the Ranger Patch in Gad's. 21 Exterminated the fungus that was animating the dead on the Ancestral Island. 21 Returned a stolen pendant to its rightful owner. 16 Spent some time as a page to the Earl Montebac. 16 Returned Ardin's remains to his wife, Edna. 16 Soothed a mother's soul by helping cure her sick son. 21 Pounded an ogre into a bloody pulp to recover a lost heirloom. 21 Took a dive into Clearwater cove to recover a lost chest. 21 Visited a faerie circle and brought a mushroom back to the ranger. 21 Successfully passed through the Naphtali tower of learning. 17 Helped an apprentice mage free his master from the clutches of some power-hungry imps. 23 Solved the mystery of the strange noises coming from below Vera's house in Northshore. 36 Obtained the Red Claws of the Slayer. 33 Eliminated the source of the hideous mutations in Cranston Hills 23 Acquired a guide to fishing from Gil Dunne in the Archais Archipelago. 22 Acquired a book titled "Quickness of Action" from the Wizard Brightflame in Seaside. 32 Protected the secrets of Thaumaturgy from undeserving djinni 32 Gave that bully a taste of his own medicine! 33 Helped purify the water supply in Cranston Hills 33 Rescued all the survivors in Cranston Hills 35 Destroyed the Chaos Beholder, disrupting the forces of Chaos in Old Thalos. 31 Discovered the hospitals namesake and put an end to his diabolical plan. 29 Helped to repair Captain Uro's merchant ship. 29 Is the new hobgoblin champion. 28 Bested the Norse gods and took their most prized possessions. 27 Bested the flying Valkyrie and took her most prize possession. 27 Bested Thor and took his prize possession. 27 Bested Odin and took his prize possession. 25 Defeated the guardian serpent to gain access to Asgaard. 21 Collected a debt owed to Nailo in The Golden Phoenix Restaurant. 21 Collected a debt owed to Kyna in Kyna's General Store. 21 Collected a debt owed to Slade the bartender in the Nightshade Tavern. 21 Collected a debt owed to Fargan the butcher. 23 Helped the mayor of Northshore to clean up his crab problem. 22 Made an old fisherman's day by giving him his favorite food. 23 Made a child happy by returning his ball 23 Made a few deliveries to Northshore from the village of Seaside. 20 Hunted down and exterminated the bugs in the cellar of the Golden Phoenix Inn. 21 Assisted the villagers of Idlewood to solve their problems and in fulfilling their needs. 21 Showed a devil ray who the true devil was. 20 Gathered some clams, caught a few fish and trapped a lobster for the Deep Sea Delights in Idlewood. 20 Collected the special ingredients needed to save the life of Kolok the mystic. 20 Disbanded the evil sect and released the lifestones of the seven legendary sisters. 20 Prevailed over Tegla the temptress, collected and then released the lifestone of Celaeno. 20 Prevailed over Bledri the necromancer, collected and then released the lifestone of Alcyone. 20 Prevailed over Erov the druid, collected and then released the lifestone of Merope. 20 Prevailed over Rataga the assassin, collected and then released the lifestone of Electra. 20 Prevailed over Lilin the warrioress, collected and then released the lifestone of Maia. 20 Prevailed over the avatar Uball, collected and then released the lifestone of Sterope. 20 Prevailed over Durath the Sorcerer, collected and then released the lifestone of Taygete. 20 Tracked down and recovered a missing antique ring. 19 Beheaded some hornets to collect a bounty on their heads. 19 Delivered a map and accepted the quest to retrieve the seven lifestones. 19 Spoke to the Naphtali commander on behalf of the ranger Taros. 19 Completed a few tasks given by the ranger in Naphtali. 18 Reported to the captain of the Naphtali guard of the defeat of Qoorik. 18 Found and brought down the demon city of Qoorik. 24 Got rid of some pesky birds and helped the Lotus Monastery get back to business. 25 Apprenticed to a blacksmith in the Lotus Monastery for a time. 25 Had to do some fishing to trade for a lost book. 24 Eliminated a threat to the Lotus Monastery and brought them peace at last. 20 Broke the curse afflicting the hero of Seaside. 15 Secured the master vampire's rule by slaying a would-be vampire lord 14 Investigated the mysterious attack on the gnomes. 10 Successfully passed through the Vemarken tower of learning. 17 Discovered the fate of a young lady's missing uncle. 17 Put a stop to the abuse of a child. 17 Verified the rumors threatening Naphtali 16 Hewed the head from the orc chieftain as a warning to the rest of his kind. 16 Brought a farmer's daughter home to rest. 18 Proved to be a real treasure hunter by discovering all the secrets of the minotaurs maze. 16 Informed the proper authorities of the demise of a missing man. 16 Skillfully navigated the maze of the black minotaur and laid claim to his prize possessions. 16 Sought out the barkeep for more information. 15 Freed a druid from imprisonment in the underground city of Runn-Khal. 15 Scouted out the abandoned mines in the Kordwood for a bronzesmith. 16 Collected some black ore for a bronzesmith in Naphtali. 16 Made an unexpected profit on some winter wolf hair. 12 Cleaned up the broom problem at the Mad Alchemist's Castle. 12 Killed the red broom. 12 Killed the blue broom. 12 Killed the yellow broom. 12 Killed the green broom. 12 Killed the orange broom. 16 Broke the curse on the Haunted Highway 15 Found new questions to the mystery of what happened to New Thalos. 15 Slew Roch'tar, master of the catacombs 14 Freed the spirit of King Rathborne 13 Solved the curse of the haunted hills and reported to the Hierophant. 13 Broke the curse on the Haunted Hills 12 Routed the necromantic cult from the interior of Ancalador. 11 Reported to the Hierophant. 13 Delivered a letter to the bronzesmith. 13 Braved the Forgotten Muskeg to collect a special ingredient for an alchemist. 13 Uncovered the mystery of the Forgotten Muskeg. 10 Recovered and restored the champion's helm. 10 Snuffed out the mole king and rescued the Mayor's wife. 9 Extricated the Gnomian slaves from the caves of the moles. 9 Reported to Mayor Widgetbottom in Gnomian. 9 Culled the spider infestation in the old Indira forest. 8 Vanquished the rat king and put an end to its machinations. 9 Delivered a package to the Lady Angelia. 8 Helped to cure a sick child. 8 Suppressed the demon revolt in the copper mines. 8 Vanquished the foul Nekker of the Blue Marshes. 7 Reported to the general storekeeper. 5 Exposed the cult of Kenai near Vemarken 7 Delivered an important package from the mayor of Hildabrad to Vemarken. 6 Put a big fat rat on a diet, permanently! 7 "Took care" of Ol' Blue. 6 Brought Dinger a bag of goodies. 6 Found the key to the donation box. 7 Became an honorary member of the village of Hildabrad. 6 Helped Joann to find her name tag. 6 Helped the town shaman to get rid of a bully. 6 Gathered a few items for an apothecary in Vemarken. 5 Solved the riddle of the foaming fountain. 5 Chatted up the Mayor of Vemarken on behalf of the general storekeeper. 6 Helped to make some important deliveries between Vemarken and Indira. 6 Helped the local merchants of Sloe deliver crucial shipments. 4 Made it to Pellam and broke the blockade 3 Freed the graveyard from the Vampiress 2 Found some peppergrass leaves. 2 Brought food for the hibernating bear. 2 Brought the sunlight staff back to the encampment. 0 Defeated the Carver Shaman in mortal combat! 0 Discovered an ambush party! Level Legacy Quests --------------------------------- 41 Celebrated the coming of 2020 by shooting off a brilliant display of fireworks. 40 Discovered and dealt with the group behind all the mischief during the Winter Solstice of 2019! 40 Rescued Tinker Tinsel from the necromancer Zulcann. 43 Collected several items to build a firework cannon. 39 Rescued Mister Geppetto from Umcho the snow giant. 37 Freed a dozen of Santa's best elves from their stony prison. 34 Rescued Chuckles The dollmaker from the glacier dwarves. 31 Searched the Toy Factory for any clues to the missing toymakers. 29 Tortured the toys in the toy factory. 47 Sent a snow pixie thief back to the ethereal plane of ice! 32 Provided a delicious baked turkey for a family during the Fall Festival of 2019. 27 Hunted down a turkey and cooked it Alter Aeon style! 37 Fully explored the 2019 Turkey Days Corn Maze! 40 Became the new master of the undead by turning the dread lord into dust! 43 Turned all the undead to dust in the Monster Manor. 42 Slaughtered all those creatures of lore in the Monster Manor. 36 Wrecked a werewolf during the Halloween Havoc of 2019. 39 Gave a zombie witchdoctor a big zerbert during the Halloween Havoc of 2019. 41 Faced off with the master of the serial killers and sent him to meet his maker! 34 Squashed the serial killers in the Monster Manor. 30 Accepted the Puppetmaster's challenge! 35 Carved some jack-o-lanterns for the less fortunate to gain a bonus witch level. 37 Successfully tracked down good enough sheep on the feast of the sacrifice 2019! 40 Helped Salma with some chores on the feast of the sacrifice 2019. 30 Helped the white witch to fill one of her Halloween gift bags. 29 Found correspondence giving clues to who is behind the bandit raids. 29 Became a full member of the Guild of Wayfarers 32 Helped to thwart the bandit raids during the Alter Aeon Anniversary of 2018 38 Helped reduce the overpopulation of turkeys during the thanksgiving event of 2016! 31 Helped save the world from an overabundance of holiday cheer! 31 Captured a Christmas bandit before he could ruin the holidays. 23 Helped spread some holiday cheer! 10 Inquired with the mayor about more work. 29 Rescued an injured farmer. 28 Investigated a village and put an end to the necromancer raising children into zombies. 24 Gathered a sample from a Darkuri and returned it to Rundahl. 29 Hunted down and exterminated a darkuri on Halloween 2015. 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The Loss Part 1
By Gasper S. Keltner
1003 AD
Chrono woke up with a throbbing headache, missing the end of his dream by mere seconds. It was the usual dream that came to him nowadays. He and Marle, vacationing in a small cottage for a few weeks, trying to get away from their responsibilities as heroes. Though it had been at least three years since that terrible day inside the Lavos' shell, they had survived with more memories then any of the seven would ever want in their lifetimes. Time had past, but he still couldn't shake the feeling that something was still missing from his life. Chrono jumped out of bed, and got dressed in the usual blue suit of his. He loved the clothes; they just felt comfortable to him. His Mother would always try to get him from dressing in them, but he always found a way to slip out of the conversation. Finally dressed he did a few toe touches and fed his cat. Walking down the stairs, Chrono heard his Mother yell.
"Chrono, please bring your dirty clothes down, it's going to be a nice day out for laundry and I want to get it down before the holiday." She said, doing her work downstairs.
"OK, Mother." Chrono thought about this coming holiday, and closed his eyes, how long had it been since they had said good-bye to the group. He hadn't heard from Robo obviously, and Frog, had sent a few letters to Marle through Leene. Magus, to Chrono's knowledge, was searching for Schala in the ruins of the Ocean Palace, and he was sure that Ayla was living happily with Kino. "Mother, after my chores are done, can I go to Lucca's?" He asked pleadingly, as he walked down the stairs with a basket of dirty clothes.
"Right after breakfast, oh, and don't forget, the King wants to talk to you later this afternoon." Chrono's Mother said, putting a plate in front of him filled with eggs and bacon. He sat down and started to eat. The door suddenly jittered and Chrono jumped. His Mother opened it, and in walked Marle with Lucca. Marle started to open her mouth and Chrono's heart skipped a beat. But right before she could spit out a word, Lucca butted in.
"Chrono, we have to talk to you for a second, can we go up to your room?" Chrono looked from his Mother to Marle and then sighed as he left his breakfast to the cat that jumped up to lap the milk out of his cup.
"That's fine you get down from there right this instant, or I'll..." her words trailed off as the three went upstairs. Chrono went over to the drapes, pulled them open and let the sun in. Marle picked up a few books off the chair and put them on the desk as she sat down. Lucca just stood, and Chrono sat on his unmade bed.
"So what is the big deal with interrupting my breakfast? You know that I love bacon and eggs, Lucca." Chrono said thinking of Marle and him alone in his room and...
"CHRONO, listen to me!!" Marle exclaimed, frustrated at his daydreaming. "Chrono, something is wrong with Frog, he's having some trouble and we need your help."
"So are we going to be taking the Epoch to save the day? I knew this was going to be a weird day when I woke up." He said falling back on his bed, his head hitting the pillows.
"Well, you can't say you won't be bored. I mean we have been looking for something to do, and this is Frog we are talking about here." Lucca spoke articulating each syllable as she always had done.
"One problem, it's gonna take us a while to get everyone back together, the Epoch only holds three people. And the Gate Key won't work because the gates closed when Lavos was destroyed." Chrono said, hoping that would persuade them to pick up their friends. Marle started to speak when Lucca cut her off.
"I can go get them and drop you off at The End of Time. Then we can talk to Gasper about the gates." Chrono silently cheered, he was winning the conversation. "I can take you guys there after I get Robo and Magus."
"That would be great Lucca, how about we get our equipment around, and we can meet you at the castle in an hour." Marle said, trying to get a word in edgewise. "This will be so much fun. I can't wait to see Ayla again! I'll go get ready, Chrono, meet me at my room in about forty-five minutes. See ya." She said skipping down stairs and out the door, much to Chrono's Mother's content. She never got why the Princess Nadia was so happy acting like a normal person. Meanwhile upstairs, Lucca was conferring with Chrono what she needed from her house.
"I need my Wondershot, and the Sight Scope, and my vest. Is that ok, thanks Chrono, I'll tell my Dad that you are coming." She said getting ready to leave.
" Uh, Lucca, can't you just get that stuff from your house when you go there, I mean, that is where the Epoch is." He said, confused by Lucca's insistence to go to her house.
"Sorry Chrono, I didn't think of that. Just come by, my Dad wants to talk to you." Lucca said, waving goodbye to him from the stairs. "Oh, and bring the Rainbow." Lucca found her way out the door, and Chrono fell back on his bed, thinking how he was going to explain this to his Mother.
2303 AD
Robo was content; he had his feelings, his friends, and a different future to live. When he first returned, he was startled to find himself in a marketplace full of humans and now three years later he was there again. They looked at him in amazement and wonder, then they all cheered him as he walked down the street. Robo, being from a different timeline, didn't know how to take all the noise his sensors were picking up. He gratefully thanked everyone and went on his way. He found a weird glowing ball that at first his sensors had registered as a gate, but when he read the sign that it would take him to Geno Dome, he lowered his guard. He stepped in cautiously and found himself traveling across the world faster then he had ever gone before. He arrived at the front door to the dome and saw a group of humans walking into the once non-human factory. He proceeded further and stepped through the doors to the main entrance. He found a reception area and walked up to the strange looking robot that was the secretary and asked to see Mother Brain. The strange robot looked at him and then called for someone. Suddenly, he saw Doan come out, dressed in nice 24th century clothes.
"Robo, it is so nice to see you, when I came back, they sent me here, you and I are important now, I'll take you to Mother." Doan said leading the way. All around him, humans and robots were interacting peacefully. The workers looked up from their job and cheered for him. Again he said thank you and proceeded to Mother's room. Doan left him and Robo looked up to see a large computer screen. It flicked on, and a holo-projecter flashed on. Mother looked at him and smiled.
"Prometheus, it is nice that you are able to visit with me again, let me say it is truly an honor to meet with you. I would like to confer with you on a certain subject that might be of interest to you." She spoke concisely.
"Please Mother, tell me, is it about Chrono and my friends?" Robo asked plaintively. He had wanted to stay, mostly because of Lucca, but he and she knew they shouldn't because of the time stream.
"It is, I am afraid. There is a force at work that is trying to destroy the heroes. If we do not act quickly, our future will not exist like it is now."
"What am I to do. I have no way of contacting my friends, and the Time Gates have long since disappeared." He said.
"We have been able to recover the Gate Key from the Museum of Heroes. Now all you need to go there and speak to your friends." Mother then started to fade, "Robo, you...need to do thi... or, you will..not..exist long, the changes are hurry..." Mother Brain lost all image and shutoff leaving Robo to wonder. He ran out of the room and saw that human workers were disappearing and robots were becoming more and more apparent. He ran to the gate and teleported to the Proto Dome. He quickly turned around to see the Museum of Heroes exhibit. He shattered the glass and grabbed the Gate Key. Suddenly, two Proto 3's came out of their storage holds. Robo activated the Gate Key and was sent hurtling through time.
Back at the Geno Dome, any of the surviving humans were thrown on a conveyor belt and sent though a machine. They came out as sealed jars of energy. A disturbing laugh was heard all throughout the dome and a computer switched on. Dalton stood alone at the controls, and he laughed even harder. One R-6 Series robot and one human came forward and two gates appeared. The R-6 went through one and the human through the other. Then he spoke, "Get the Dalton Aero-Imperial II warmed up, we're going hunting."
11,997 BC
Magus had had all he could take of moronic impressions he got from the former Enlightened Ones. Not only were they useless, they couldn't do a thing on their own. He was ready to yell at his servant for the fifth time that day, when he heard a familiar sound. It started in the distance, about twelve miles away. It then got louder, and suddenly, a large silvery object filled the air outside the newly constructed castle of Guardia. He stepped away from his servant and stared out the window. Various townspeople stepped out of their houses too, looking at the large silver object that sat in front of the gates. It was the Epoch, sure enough, but why had it come now, when he was so close to finding Schala. Magus quickly hurried to the front gates and saw a familiar figure jump out of the cockpit. She had purple hair and glasses with an antenna attached to them. She carried a small silver object on her hip and a backpack on her shoulders. Magus walked up to the individual and stared at her for a minute. She has grown up, very lovely, indeed, he thought, no Janus, you must not show feeling, you will look weak. He decided he would speak first.
"Miss Lucca, so lovely to see you once more, I trust everyone, or thing is fine." He gave a smile, "Won't you come in, were we can talk in private." He said glaring at the crowd of onlookers, who dispersed immediately.
"I'm afraid not Magus, we need to get to Gasper ASAP before it's too late." an exasperated Lucca said.
"As you wish, let me grab some things before we leave, may I offer you some refreshment? And maybe a little information?" Magus said walking towards the gates with her. She was seated in the outer hall, while he went to his closet. Pulling out his scythe, he grabbed a silver colored ring, and then his purple cape.
"What did you mean when you said information Magus?" She said watching his feet under the closet door.
"I know that you all will be interested to know this bit, but it comes at a price." He said matter-of-factly.
"I can only guess you want help finding Schala, and we said we would help you, just give us the word." Lucca sighed, it had always been Schala, he was so obsessed, and she was surprised he didn't go insane. Magus looked up and gazed at her right in the eyes. Easy Janus, don't try to push her away. Why do you even kid yourself, do you think you will ever find a mate?
"Bah..." He said under his breath. Lucca looked up at him, and he got the last of his gear around. "do lead the way, dear Lucca." They exited the castle, and passed the guardhouse, where the ignorant servant stood. Magus looked at him and spoke softly. "You have the responsibility, make sure you don't slip, or I'll torture you in ways you can't even imagine."
"Y…yes s…s…ir." The servant quivered by the sight of Magus, knowing full well what could happen to him if he didn't do the job that he was given. Magus boarded the Epoch and while Lucca put his gear into the hold. She then got in and took off towards the future.
1003 AD
Chrono had just knocked on the door when Taban swung it open.
"Ah ha, Chrono, just in time, I have something to give you." Taban said as the boy entered the room. Nothing had really changed to the house after the adventure, other then the great fortune that Lucca's mother had. During their adventure, Lucca traveled back accidentally to help her mother. Now Lara could walk, but liked to sit up in the bedroom, staring out the window. Today though, she was in the kitchen cooking lunch. Chrono sat down and Taban came out with three backpacks. From the sound of them, they held bottles and metal. Chrono had a feeling that they were in for a tough time.
"Chrono, I made these just in case that you might have to adventure in time once more. Each pack is made of a high-grade fabric, woven in with bits of the Sun Stone. The bottles inside are Mega Elixers for your journey, plus I have taken the Revive formula and made it even more powerful. Not only will you come back to life, but it will also boost the drinkers key characteristic. Say for example, you drank it, you would then be stronger for about ten minutes. I figure it will really help when you are in a jam." Chrono could tell Taban had more then out done himself this time.
"What are these little circle things?" Chrono asked inquisitively.
"Barriers, only in smaller form. Easy to swallow and extra long lasting."
"Thanks Taban, these'll come in handy, how do we repay you?"
"Get Lucca to have some fun. That's all." Taban said with a smile.
"I will, oh, what time is it?"
"It's a quarter to." Chrono saw the time and grabbed the three packs, all were lightweight, and easy to carry. "Thanks again Taban, sorry I gotta run." He ran out the door, leaving Lucca's father in the dust yelling. "Be careful, and come back in one piece."
Chrono ran all the way to the palace. He got through the woods easily, knowing where the main place for monsters was. He got to the door and entered, Marle had just reached the bottom of the stairs.
"Are you ready?" He said, peering at the crossbow on her back, and earrings she wore. One was silver, and one was gold, this gave her almost unlimited magic energy. "Here, take one of these," he handed her a pack, "This outta help."
"Lucca should be coming any minute." And if almost on cue, the Epoch slipped into their time period. It landed and Lucca opened the dome.
"Hurry get in!" She yelled, trying to get their attention.
"Hi Lucca, come on out, we gotta a little time." Marle said looking up at her.
"GET IN!!!" She yelled and got them in. "I'll explain on the way. We've got big trouble…" Chrono got up the ramp and strapped in, and Marle was running, when she fell with a scream. Chrono starred back, seeing Marle fall, and a shadow drew back into the woods. Chrono saw what hit Marle, the arrow plunged deep into her back, and he screamed.
EPILOUGE to The Lose
The End of Time
Chrono sat with his back against the lamppost at the End Of Time, he knew that something was not going right after Gasper came out shaking his head then went back in, seeing the circumstances of what happened to the living. Robo, Frog, and Ayla had been in Sprekkio's room for the past hour, trying to help. Lucca stood next to him, as Magus leaned opposite against the wall from Chrono. Both knew they could do nothing, and even if they tried, Chrono wouldn't talk. He just sat there, his face in his hands. Lucca was probably the most astonished about his condition, because in all her life, she had never seen him cry. True she had lost Chrono after the first battle with Lavos, which they climbed Death's Peak to save him. But she knew that Marle meant a lot to him.
"Chrono, can you hear me? I know this is hard, but Marle will come out fine. She's a survivor." Lucca said in a comforting voice.
Magus just gave him the usual stare. True, he hadn't known them all that well when he joined them, but he did understand the meaning of lose. You can't let this bother you so much Janus, it's just the girl, he thought, but you fought with her and the three of you killed Lavos Core together. His other side then kicked in. Little Janus, always relying on others, now you lost a friend, serves you right!!! Did he really think this of the girl. He tried never to show any feeling, but now, he wasn't sure if he could hold it in. A small tear started to form in his eye. Was he capable of crying? How could this be, he had learned from Ozzie himself that you shouldn't cry, even if you are hurt. Now he just simply stood there, trying to find the words to comfort this boy. "Chrono, she was a good sorceress, even better then I may ever try to be. I know how it feels, and…" Chrono looked up and fumed.
"What did you say?" He started to get up, and Magus tried to continue.
"When I was warped to Ozzie's camp, I missed Schala, I tried to cope, and I found that holding it just doesn't…" Magus couldn't finish because Chrono was now in his face, fuming, one hand grabbing Magus' collar, and a fist in the air.
"You don't know how I feel, and you never will." Anger had seized Chrono, and he was ready to punch.
"Take your hand off me, or you'll see death through a black hole." Magus yellow glove turned a dark blue color.
"IF BOTH OF YOU WILL STOP YOUR PETTY ARGUMENT, I have some news." Gasper said, coming out with a sad Ayla, a disappointed Frog, and Robo, carrying a body. Sprekkio, in the form of a Nu, shut the door behind them, and stood next to Lucca. Robo set the body down on the cobblestone courtyard, and Gasper spoke, "I want you all to know that everyone has done the best to his or her effort to help Marle, and we all know she would have done the same for any of us. Mortality is sometimes something we all have to face. Whenever Marle was not on the mission, she was here with me, and we had many a talk about death. We all knew the risks of being who we are now. In the course of History, this is a tragic event, it has thrown the Time Stream into chaos." Gasper was about to continue when Chrono interrupted.
"Gasper, what about Marle?" He was hopping that this was all a joke and Marle would come bouncing out, as happy as ever. "Is…is…. s...she….a…live?" There was a silence for a minute, but it seemed like and eternity, even to Gasper. Finally Ayla broke the silence.
"Marle strong. Ayla, Robo, Frog try help. Marle not strong enough then. Marle no strong now." Ayla fell back and hugged Sprekkio, who could only return it.
"Chrono, we hath tried hard, but thou canst do it. Mistress Nad…I mean Marle ist gone." Chrono stood there and cried. "We're sorry Chrono, Marle is dead." For the second time that day, Chrono screamed in anguish….
Authors note: I hoped you like this first installment of what will truly be a story that will shed light on these characters inner thoughts and feelings. This is my first FanFic, and I need to say some thank you's.
Icy Brian, for whose Webpage would never have given me the idea for this story.
Dark Magus and Krazy Sam, who helped through there FanFic to express how to create this story.
Thanks to all.
All characters, places and things in this story are not mine, for they are SquareSoft's creation, and I use them only to help build. I give them the due Credit they deserve. Chrono Trigger; copyright 1995, SquareSoft
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The long lines of cars, with tbe massive pieces, remind one of the resources of the State and the terrible uses to which the guns are to be applied.?Philadelphia Prtst. y r At a meeting of the members of the New York Typographical Union, No fl, on Saturday evening, a resolution wai Introduced proposing to loan to the United Htates krovernment tke fond* of the society, amounting to 92,500. A proposal to temporarily reduce the rats of printer's wages remains under consideration for one month. (XT' A Mr. Kdmondaoa.,of Springfield, Mo., had his horse taken from him by the Secessionists, and Its value nominally handed to him in Confederate scrip Upon his application to Oca. Price the horse was returned, and he handed hack the scrip. "Nevermind," said the oAsar, "It isn't worth? anyhow " 117" The Duke of Newcastle is engaged to be marrfrd to Lady Cecelia Molyneux, daughter ef Lord Sefton. The Pake la over tfty; Lady Cecelia la tweatv-two or three. The Sstftoa blood Is rttwiimi l? E? "??* aTjE Qeew's.'' 9 iNMr-'? -? mm <*^i <? -?-. ry-B?MAYOR-S OFPfCE. IL3 _Wa?H!II0T01?, P*pt.ll,l?l The member* oftfew Board n| Health will meet is the Mayor'e theCitr Hall, on FRIDAY AFTERNOON nf xt, at 5 o'clock. ell St RICHARD WALt.ACH. Mayor fY^s?RBCRl fTR APPLYING Tl> THE D1*lljf ferwt Rncruili ( OHo?r? f >r th? Third Manriard V?<!nnt>ere wi I be prompter fnrwa ded to the en"Mpnient, a?ar Haitim?re. where.#vrry equipmenttrill bepupmpMy farniabied. -. W. WA LU MaTs.1 Md V, *ell-3te0 398 P? avenue. rfS^TERKENCE BELLOW MoMANUR-I t> if ''h? member* of the rher nix Society and < th'r >'r>*h dice feel nc intereue.i ia t'.e tran ft r of the ren.a-n* or the Irish?a'riot, T- B MeM>?c*. to Irelaid, wf'l meet at 7 o'clock THURSDAY. EVENING, 12th ir.?t., at McNick'e'* Exoh*n?e. Hotel, C*t. jf rY^FK8TIVAL-The l.adjen of Gor*och IL5 Chapel will hold a FertivaiatPotomao Ha1!, oorner of Maryland a*, and llth *t., EVERY EVENING THIS WEEK, oommencim at 7 o'clcck. The proceed* to be appropriated for improvement* to Gors'ioh Chapel. The pa'ronaire of the rnb'ic i* rewpectiglly aoltoited. ** 9 3t* H W"' COMPANY* ''A." U. 8. ENGINKEB8.(L * Fifty intelligent and aMe bodied meohanio* Will be enliatad to fill t kill PniM?nt tn r m*? imam fixea by law?ISP men. Inquire at^o. 8431 9 street Pav from #13 to Q3? per month, besides food and olothing. an 17 tf FOR SALE?An elegant dapple irev HORSE, r I roars old,15H hand* >>if)i,'on( fu 1 tail. |7\, a table for a fis'd or staff ofroer. Also.SjL-Sv or 4 rood. nhea> Horses tor sutie * wacoas. Applv at the private stables 1Mb at., between K and '. ye 1121* 486,NTER1UR DECORATIONS, t'ERHANGlNOS, all rrad?? and prices: WTNDOW SHACKS, PICTU H E CORD and TASSELS, GILT OVAt, PICT|;RK FRAMES, Ac, at J. MARKRITER'S.
No. 4*6 Seventh ft., 8 doors a'.ove *c ll-int* Odd Fellows' Hall. Treasury notes op am, denominations bought and sold. We?ill deposit in the United States Treasury here or in New Yfrk, withou' charge, ail sums not lea; than Fifty Dollars for parties wishinic to invest in Three-year Treasury Notes, bearing 7 3 1# inter**SWEENY, RITTENHOUBE. FANT * CO., se 11-lm Bankers, No..Tfig Pa- avenu. Wcoal and wood. E Have on hard and a n*tactly receiving large quan ities of all kinds of Coal, which wr are oiiiiir a% iu w firocii lur rjifji >vf niwvr now anoni four cargoes We will sell i* a' 25 oents per ton Ipsa when taken direct from vessel. Also, Oak, Ilicfcmy and Pine at low prices WARDF.R A STF.WaRT. s? 11-tf Corner H and Twe ftn its UNITED STATES PATENT OFFICE, AGRICULTURAL. DIVISION. TTaMtnffew, September 9,1861, In oons'quenoe of ti e delar which attended the arrival of Seeds of foreign importation, orders for which were issued prior to the incoming of the present Admmisnation.'many of them, from *>eavoyage and other causes have been fonrd to oe entirely use'es* for practical purposes. This rrsu t has l>een a eotUined by experimental 'ests. There fore, the usual di*tn6ntion <ril t?e drf rred unit a snpplv oan he obtained which wi 1 reflect credit on the Department. ISAAC NkWTiiN, oe 11 lw Superintendent T NOTICE. HE Copartnership nmetofore oarried on by the name of H. F. Loumx A Co. was dissolved on the 1st instant by its own limitation. All those owing amounts to said firm are requested to fettle the ssme without rte'ay, as the eucceesore are anxioos to c ose tne bo?ki and settle accounts against the above expired oopartrersMp GEOR*?R W. FARANT. FRANCIS J HHKERGR, JOSHUA H KINB NO I'lOIS?The nrdTslrned respectfully iT-f^rm th?ir pa'ro-s and th*? public teneraii? of their having farmed a copartnership to oontinue the hngniei"?, 113 all it* branches, is euco'ssors of the late firm of H. F. Loudon & <'o. AVh th-ir ti.a.ks lor the ver? liberal patronage r?? eeived, the* piedjte thointelveg t use their utmost exertions to merit thei' c< ntinu?,?l favors. F. J. HKIKKKGKK A CO. Successor to H. F. Loudon?nd Co., Military and Naval Merchant Tailors. F. J. IIr. BIEOK&. J. H Kiso eep 11^ 3w_ Depot quartermastkr'* offick. Wasuinotox. D. C., t^ept, 9,1831. $kali d Proposals will be received at this office until 12 o'clock in.. 20th instant, to furnish the troop* in this nty and its vicinity north of th# Pof<>mso lirer. wi liia <6) five miles of the city of Washington, with Wo><*, for (6) si* mnnths, oonini'-noinn Istdav of October, 186i, and erdinc on the 31 s: day of March, 1862. The wood to be of tii? tieit quality of cak or hickory, and to be deliv ered at the (amps or quarters of the troops, in nith Quantities and %t such times as the uepot Quartermaster may direct Good security wul be required for the fulfilment of_the contract I Ti? bids to be for bo muoh per oord of wood, consisting of (128) on* hundred and twenty eight onbic feet, and to be endorsed "B ds for Wood,' and the names of the seeurity to be stat*d in the bids The undersigned reserves to himse f the right to rejeot all bids that ir>av he deemed too hsh. Payments to be made at the end of eaeh month, by returnicg the orders drawn on the o>" trai tor or contractors witn reoeipts of the Kegimeutai or Brigade Quartermasters of regiments, brigades. >>r corps, eodorred on the iMok of said orders for the amount of wood delivered. D. H. RUCKER. sell td Quartermaster U. t* A. PROPOSALS are invited till the?*>th n day of Sep?eml??T. 1U61, for supplying the Army of ihe Potomac with Po I'ATOtS. A bout bushels will be required, in lo s of a'*out R win buxtiels per week. The Potatoes to be of tne first quality and equal in quality to the following kinds: Mercers (blue,) Pink Eye, Mercers (whit* ) i ne roiaioe* 10 r>e delivered in WinIrnetor, and sub act to such inspection 4>n delivery as the Subsistence Department may reguir-, and payment to l.e male in frea?ury notes, if Gover. ment should desire it The Potatoes to be delivered in good, rtroni; barrels, a?d each bushel to be estimated at 60 lbt?. The bids to bo dirio ed to Capt A. BECKNV1TH. C. S., U. 8 A, Washington, D. C. se 3 WALL. STEPHENS A CO.. SU'i PIX3STLVAMIA AVINCI. MILITARY AND NAVAL merchant tailors. AND HEAOY-MADE CLOTHIER?. AND EXTKNSIVE DEALERS IN GENTLEMEN'S FURNISHING GOODS, se6-ij (Intel tt Repub.) 4 RMV SUPPLIES A. JUST RECEIVED??R-?oans SAUSAUK MEAT, 24^ cans PREKH TOMATOES, 48'oau* FRESH VEAL, iw cans beef, la modt, 24) cans ROAST BEEF, 3Woans FRESH MUTTON, 24*ioans BEEF and GRAVY. 24f can* SOUP and BOUILLL 30owes FRENCH DESSlCATED VEGETABLES. For sale at New Vnrk KINO &'&UfU?afcLL, 8 6 Corner t and I ifteenth?Ug? BARGAINS! BARGAINS!?Great bft'iumu al kinds?I CLOTHING, TRUNKS, VA LISES, OARP&T HAG!?,SHIRTS TIL?*, COULARo, HAT Sand CAPS. a? SMITH'S, No. 46? Seventh it., oppotite Post Office. Call and tea hi* new stock of Goods, whioh will be cold at astoosluiu 1"W rates sm 3f>-1in MOORE'S AGUE CLRK AND ANTIDOTE, an in allible, safs and effectual remedy and preventative of Ague in its various Inrnis having been :ullv tneii ana proven, is n<'w ofl. red to the pubiio Price Sold only at MOORK'S Weat End Drnic?tore, 11 3 Pa av au 26-tr SMITH'S, No. 460 Seventh street, is the t-est place in towu to buy CMtTHlNG. 1 HUNKS, hats, cap*, valises, carp* t bahs, and all kind* oi GENT*' FURNISHING GOODS, as he sells a'l his goods at New % <>rk pr.^H au?-liw invo more FINE FRENCH COTTAGE 1 PIANOS iDr rent, at W. G. MKT 7.KKmT l 'S Music Depot, oorner of PviChIm avenue and Eleventh se 6 Hlllr Medical department of Georgetown college. Washington City. Corner of Fand Tvdftk Strati. Session or ls?6l- 6?. X?Af*TTl TV r\V t#nnry<?*a.?? av/ vui x i/r m??U1C1 iTAi nobijk young, m. d.. Professor of Prinoiples and Praotioe of Medieine. JOHNSON ELIOT, M. U. Profeaeor of Principles and Praolioe of Surgery. JAMES E MORGAN. M. D Proleeaor of Materia Medioa aad Therapeutic*. J. M. SNYDER. M. D.. Profeaeor of Obatetrio* and Diaeaaea of Women and Children. THOMAS ANTISELL.M. D. Professor of Mecioal Chemistry,Toxiool?fy. aad Physiology. J. E. W1LLETT. M D. Demonstrator of Anatomy K- The ohair of anatomy to be illed. aesaioa will oommenoe on the 2&d of Oeto ber and end in March following. For further information address JOHNSON ELIoT, M. p., Dean of the Faculty, 408 F street, between #th and 7th ate. aa 6-lawtNovl* WHITE MEROFR POTATOES.? PRIME. RIPE, AND MEALY. AT LOWEST MAIKIT P&ICKS. _ TO Q?'AR1ERMA!?TERS OF regiMENTS. Ym wast to keep your men heal thy,you cannot do this without ginn* them rood Potatoes. These you oan get at Steel A Co'?,5?6 pei.n?ylTani% arenue. oorner of Seoond street 'i O GROOERs-Ym want to pleaae your??atomers. and induce th.m?*m?>?? mend your etwok to th- ir frieudi Thea oall at grerf k Co't, and bay what Potato** you need, either for your owe conaumptipn or tor sale. They "'! K&T4U.?NTEWPSRS. Do 101 want to please?o?? f eef.end uekle their 5s!;s*? the buyer, and the ooteaaier. Ohio, Indiana. and Keutuoky woaey m good.UWUMi W. ^ w gTBKL ^ ^ 436 Pennsylvania avenue, corner of Seoond etre???OM Pentinel Olw ) | t?p8?? I????1^??^?? BICE AND WOUNDED lOLDIKBI 11 HOSPITAL. Pmbtukul 4m rrhfiT^ni* trtlA <*? r#? /?*>? / ik* Smmu li, 1MI. At cm M strut, bttwtm Fmmrtk 1 nd Fifth itr*$i i, ITmktmfrom. 8*pt 9.?_ * *. >. lit N. t Cavalry..,.. 2Mb Pennevleula Vol. 1 l?t Exce'tlor?rl?*de. 1199th do do.. 1 Vd do do>)IAl7tb do do.. * 3d do do.... 4<9d New Jersey Vol... 1 ItthN VVatanteci*.. 4!5th do do,... 3 l?th do do...... 11'id Maine Volunteer*.. I 25'b do do 2 3d do Ao 4 27th do do 214th do do 1 2t*th do do lrid New Hampshire.. 2 3*b do do...... lltd Mlcttfu 4 Slat do do 9|4th do (O 1 35th do do 2<9d WlKow'.n I 36th do do 3 19th Indiana. 9 37th do do 3 lat California Reg.... 1 49th A* A* 1 OMaig* Rifle*......* 9 70th An A* /k\ J -r.__.__ d? -w w t? 1 w/ -w? oiUHIKIiy ncviturni. Oth Mut. Volunteers. 1 Camera* Pwiiiii... * 10th do do 1 Kea tacky Cavalry... I 14th do do..... 1 UtladtiMCtniry.. 4 9d Vermont Volunteers 1 litCbwnn 1 1st Minnesota Vol.... 1 D C. Volunteers 9 1st Pennsylvania Vol. 6 3d do do.. 1 Total tat (a) Including an officer. (ft)Ooeofltaer. (c)Oae qfflcer^ At Stminmrj fhtpiuU, Otfftttirm, S*pt 6. 1st Artillery 1 1st Penn. Artillery... 4 9d Mslne Volunteers.10 0th do Volunteers. 9 3d do do 4 9ih do do 1 th do do 3 IOth do do 2 1st Masa. Volunteers.. 1 IUh do do * 7th do do 1 19th do do 11 3d Vermont Volunteers 1 tt'k do do I!3tLN Y.Volunteers.. '2 Iirtu Indiana 4t> 14th do do 4 21st do.. (?) 1 27th do do 1 1st Mlchlgaa Vol I I'M do do 13*1 do do..(?)!??Uth An <ln O tA * - " Mozart, New York... 2?tb do do..(c)l4 Tammany, do 4(2d Wisconsin 1 l>e Kalb. do 1 l?t Minnesota 4 Excelsior Brigade.... 1 Garibaldi Guards.... 1 Total......132 Cameron Rifles 7 (a) Three officers (ft) Two officers. (c) Three officers At General Hospital, Union Hottl, tomer Bridge and Washington streets, Georgetown, Sept. 7. 2d N. Y Volunteers.. 5|1at Peon. Artillery.... 8 5fh Re? Excels'r Brig. 3,1st do Cavalry 1 12th N Y. Volunteers.. 8 <Hb penosyiYsnla Vol. 2 13th do do 9 10th do do.. 1 14th do do 12 llth do do.. 3 16th do do 1 12th do do.. 6 I 1T?K A? 4- - - - i i <u u\j UV?? < 2Q(D OO OO. ft 19tb do do 1 27th do do.. I 23d do do 0 1*1 Ohio....... 1 24th do do 1 lytn Indiana 1 25th do do 1 21st do 1 2#tb do do 1 7*turges Rifle Co 1 33d do do St Kentucky Cavalry.... 1 79th do do 412d Michigan Vol 4 Jackaon Guards 1 3d do do......13 DeKalb 1 4th do do 14 Mozart 4 2d Wisconsin do 5 rare man? 1 6th do do...... 1 ltd.Maine Volunteers. 2 1st Mlnnewtado 1 3J do do 411st California Vol 2 4th do do l|3thU.S Artillery 1 6th do do 1 2d do Cavalry 1 2d Vermont do 3 Guide to Smith's Brig 1 3d do do 13 Teamster, U. 8 A.... 1 9th Maas do 5 12?b do do 1 Total 171 1st Conn. do 1 At Hospttal at Columbian College, Wa*k%*gtm, Sept. 6 2d Maine Volunteers.. 5 37th N Y. Volunteers. * 3d do do...... 6.9th do do...... t 5th do do 6 2d Sickles Briv, N Y # 7th Mass. Volunteers. 1 Tammany N. Y. Vol.. 2 | 10th do do 10 Garibaldi do do... 2 14th do do 4 DeKalb do do.. 2 3d Vermont Volunteers 1 Anderson Zo<iaves.N Y 2 1st Lone Island Vol... 1 2d New Jersey Vol.... 1 1 at New York Cavalry 3 3d do do.... 2 2d N Y Fire Zouaves. 1 Harlan?s Penn Cavalry 1 2d N Y. Volunteers.. 6 98th Penn. Volunteers. 3 cm ao ao 2j3lat do do...... 5 9:b do do l'2d Michigan do lb 11th do do 113d do do W 12th do do 3 4th do do 3 14th do do 2 2d Wlaronain do 5 18th do do 1 l?t MlnneaoU do 4 22d do do 9 19th Indiana do 9ft 23d do do 1 id U 8 Caralry 2 I 24th do do 3 4th do do 2 25th do do...... l lat California Vol.... 2 |?Tth do do 1 McClellan'a Dragoons. 4 j 32d do do 1 To&matera, Q. M. D.. 3 33d do do 7 35th do do 8 Total 201 | Jftth do do 4 At General Hcpital, Alexandria, Sept ft. 12th Nfw York ItSth Maine 10! 15th do * 2d Vermont 1 I6tb de 19 lat Manachuartta.... 1 l?th do 12 5th do 4 18th do ft lat New Jeraey 1 25th do 7 2d Michigan 1 26th do 8 3d do 1 27th do 11 tat Minnesota 4 3!it do 12 2d Wlaconaln 3 A? 11'* -? -. iijiii Anuiery, n.5 A. I 37ih do 2|2d do do.... 4 38<b do 11 :M Cavalry, U 8 A... 1 40th do II 3d do do.... 1 7SJih do 2 Lincoln Cavalry 2 '2d Maine I Fire Zouave* 1 31 do 1U 4 th do 12 Total 176 At Gmtrnl Hospital, (Circle,) Warkmglon, Sept. 0. tat Cavalry 4; lit Infantry 3 2d do Uiid do 5 1th do 13d do 13 | 1 at Artillery 5 Sth do 11 I 2d do 11 Reeratt 1 3d do 1? 4?h do 4 Total.. 72 Sth do 2 E- Washington papers pleaae copy and Mnd to the War Department ae^H 10-3t T~ IMMENSK BACRIFICF^ HE Undtra *ned bee iaava moat raapactrally to inform th? ariiea that the* wi!! ojen at thair loomi N<?. 4 Waahm*ton Bmldict. oorner of Veventh atraat and Penn av nu", a onoioa afck of rti'ka and Kmbroidenaa, aale to oontina* for thn* day a < nlr? for eaih. ratardlM* nf r,,?t The above atook j??t re?ei?ed from 5lew"York.?>p IP at* HEALV 4 CO. ^yATCHES, WATCH REPAIRING, Jto. A large assortment of GOLD and SILVER WATCHES, br a!! the moat celebrated makara, At Viar bow Rirtt. fCT WATCHES and CHRONOMKTERS, aa wc.i ai JEWELRY, *0. oa-efully repaired. iBr. w GALT * HKO, Jeweller*. 344 Pa- avaraa, ae 10 6t 4 doora weat of Broaa'a Hotel. ; nr A CA R i>. I ENUERi NG Our thanke to the oily reporter of the Evening Star for the eery notice with whioh he wa? good enough to faToroar esUbliahinent in last Thursday's paper, we emliraoe tiua o?portunity toaorreat one tnfimr emi**ton in hia flattering card. Onr place of bnmceaa ia No. *89 P*khaTLva!iia A vkhus, between 9th and loth atraeta, where we aba!) b? nappy to aea onr frienda at all times. who are invited ta inspect our oboioa a look of WlNKS, LIQUORS, SEGARS, PICKl-ES. SAROINEA PINE GROCERIES, and SUTLERS' SUPPLIES ia general. N. h-TL-JSMSMOfc ~ - w? %>? *??? WC WO VBftl i?w Stkmplt Room it?*front, mot m tki roar. Any Purofla, >-airp!ea,or Letter* whioh may be left in I our oare for the O > Kaib Rociraent wi t reaoh their mpeoti v# owner* the day that they are left with u*. JOHNSON ft NAG LB. I We will bay Salt Beef, Cracker#, eta., from oommiM&rien of rrgimeDta at fair oMh prioea. M 10 St* OQQ JOHNSON ft NAOLB. OOQ?0?7 No. 88? HlHHtTLTAMIA Atmci,?0?7 Between Ninth and Tenth eta. eonth aid*, B/yks. Fl PTE GROCERIES _ApD SUTLERS' STORES INOENERAl. Jnet arrived the following branda of 0. _ Moot ft Chan don, Cartler k Co, Barat ft Fa*ot, wjujk? JbH 8S? Penna. avenua. AHm *. Rinmrer ft Co.'?(1> Mro^d?tra#t. New York.) World renowned K)TTLED WINKS and LIQUORS, for Camp, Medicinal", aed FaaiW aaa, constantly on hand a?d aold at New York Price* by the Caae. At JOHNSoN A NA6LB*B,?89 Penna. avenne 1MCKLE8, Pepper and other 8AUCES. TOMATO CATSUP, by the barrel. ianop, crdoaen, from the oe'ebrated manufactory of tohrt nbari ft Co, Naw York, at aatojUfkinciy low arteae. At JOHNSONft ^iftGLB'S, &Ol6 A|#nU? AIm. PICKLED P G FEET. LAMB AND BEE* TONGUES. TRIPE, etc., by ta? t*rr?l or kfelf-barrvt. 5L-? MKTi.??OT-X"???i?. Ju?t gs^tsssiss'sp-m**,r.'? ATTENTION. SUTLJtlU! I HE?? %SSVVb 7*Jtij"""'- '? At JAMblfi. SUttON* 8ALB8.?? bontz * caipnra. pLOWNG HA I K or BtPKRIOR BAVan \ ^0 *fMi Tobacco. airo 8wf? -"? fbIDa\ MORSlNO,8*ft?ii bw IS'b, )M| tt II nr, i, w# vrl *#11. in I' ta u? ssit. vrtWwt r?*?rv?. H??atir* st??k of a Cif?r. Tatotoro,?d4 Store, N?. *06 P?reo?h?trft Odd F?1 ow?' Hal.?t b*<B( tk? stock f * wko ui rrUiI Imiw 1? | baoiifn. We n%??e ir s?rt? ||S,<n? Assorted Cut*. Yftro.?'4 9?4 C r?r?, in l?i? m'ba?4krs. S B"l H?t i I'm?t CbMMi Tl>yii, 4X Gratt M 'or s di> "|n " " I# 4* Aid*to<i<iAnial?i A?'Ll i*o <o,* 2* *? i jo Cornish do??? i?x?-wr nMH nniTi 5 <MMC >oe. Srod Lot, 1 Bait Hinni, Quaaiaaa.?n4 So"*e1i Bnf. TwUer wWi B*mb? ef kr*3e of Olwwia6 eed IrnokiH TobtMo. T*riH M?k. ^^^TrfTT| If WAUL A BAR YARD, AMittw. Cwm? M IL?< *aalA n4< ffc ar f *iwho mare and?hpi?pio Mo?A2b IP^T. M OIN fr?v tiw Uli I WrW^, II? t w? wi11 m >. ia ( Mt of tM Aaeti?a l|?*i, a *orf*?*>? UftXitiKi?.'dE&a5rn A ao. tvo??ni>c Wogoca? *[?*" "*** WALL A RARNARIL Aool?. Br BARNARD A BUCRBY, Aoafeoooai*. TRUSTEE'S?ALE-Br **** * m. At4? I trao? fr.n Jobs W. Poiftoroa. dai?d Ua 17th Jam, lM,jur1fi to a?oar*7 tha drht t bare on m*e iiooad. to B*u|. P. M'Vlor.tod br tba4l?aatinB of nid M x>?, 1 wiiraoll at aablio kadimoi Un 12U da> of Ootonor naxt. at 4 o'clock j* tha *Hwr^cn,in front ol rb? a tha hith??t hid to w r? T n<>?? port* of iota aun r?r if aid? Mi a* O~oric*town. b iimi r?at tha and o(JM fco-?MMfi at on tha lion of To la at oat Troa tfca diiriinj liaa hutw'M Iota ITanrl l*? r,?t ft? * klM NJt 46 fe-t. '*1*1*00 B*Vtil?rly a ItonM one xo.2, beiagisfoetfroia FaAe street.?base* westerly to atone J*". S. 45 lest, tnence s??tlter/ M M to t?? h*ttniiiir, h*ib| tli* >M*f rmtiM which Georr* M. Hot*ro?oa.? #] ethers eoerered to aid John W. Sot "Ton b' d??l of the 28th i>eo'mb r, it 8, with
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MIT Scientists Say Humans Would Rather Take Orders From Robots
By Darren Orf on at
Welp. This is how it all begins. Bow on bended knee before your robot overlords. New research from MIT's Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Lab (CSAIL) shows (with science!) that when working in groups of three—two humans, one robot—us lowly bags of flesh and blood would rather the robot just take over.
At a time when we're all asked to fully trust autonomous systems while also fearing robot-caused unemployment, project lead Matthew Gombolay wanted to investigate how humans and robots might actually work together better. "In our research we were seeking to find that sweet spot for ensuring that the human workforce is both satisfied and productive," he says in a news release. "We discovered that the answer is to actually give machines more autonomy, if it helps people to work together more fluently with robot teammates."
The team paired off participants and separated them into three separate groups, manual (all human), fully autonomous (all robot), and semi-autonomous (where one human takes on a task and a robot instructs another). If my clever use of artwork didn't tip you off, the fully autonomous option proved to be the "most effective."
However, that doesn't mean T-800s are in our inevitable future. The robots were more effective at generating on-the-fly schedules because of human-designed algorithms and could only fetch pieces to give to its human co-workers because we (thankfully) are still better at small detailed tasks. The team hopes that further honing these algorithms will actually improve "human-to-human" collaboration, such as optimizing a hospital's busy schedule, or helping to further improve the working relationship between man and machine. [MIT News via Business Insider]
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I cannot find the setting that prevents deletion of an entire region when you have it highlighted and you hit backspace... (I just want it to delete one character even if a region is highlighted.) I already have
(delete-selection-mode 0)
and in custom-set-variables (I have cua-mode enabled for its rectangle functions),
'(cua-delete-selection nil)
but that is the behavior I get. Am I missing something?
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I think it is standard behaviour that emacs just deletes one character even if the region is highlighted. So I would look in my .emacs in order to find something that's disabling it. – phimuemue Aug 30 '10 at 12:54
Hmm. I thought that was the case too. The backspace key is bound to delete-backward-char so I don't know what's going on. I can't find anything in my .emacs file that would point to it, but it happens in all modes so it's gotta be something big.. – crippledlambda Aug 30 '10 at 13:01
Have you tried starting emacs via emacs -Q (which disables loading .emacs so you can check if it is indeed default behaviour)? – phimuemue Aug 30 '10 at 13:12
Ah, yes - good idea. Deleting the region seems to be the default. I'm using GNU Emacs 23 on an OS X. I wonder if the nextstep build has anything to do with that... – crippledlambda Aug 30 '10 at 13:17
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Emacs has different behavior depending on whether the highlighting was done with mouse or the keyboard.
Even in transient-mark-mode, if you set the mark and move the point, using backspace will not delete the region. delete-selection-mode is a minor mode that changes this behavior.
When using the mouse to highlight a region, regardless of delete-selection-mode, using backspace will delete the region that was highlighted with the mouse. From Section 25.1.1 of the manual:
"While the region remains active, typing or deletes the text in that region and deactivates the mark; this behavior follows a convention established by other graphical programs, and it does not apply when you set the region any other way, including shift-selection (*note Shift Selection::)."
Based on this, it sounds like you're selecting the region using the mouse. Is that correct? Does the same behavior arise when using shift-select-mode or simply using mark and point?
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Hi, actually I am only using the keyboard, with point and mark (not shift)... shift-selection-mode is nil. – crippledlambda Aug 30 '10 at 13:59
Well, then something is askew. I'm using GNU Emacs 23.2.1 on OS X and when I use the keyboard in any fashion to highlight a region (transient-mark-mode or not), and I backspace while the region is highlighted, I don't get this behavior. I'll post again if I can figure out some setting that might be causing the problem you're having. – R. P. Dillon Aug 30 '10 at 14:30
Thank you. Yes, very strange. I now found that delete-forward-char is also "broken" in the same way! – crippledlambda Aug 30 '10 at 14:43
I just got the nightly build (Emacs 24) - even if I start that with "-Q", same behavior! Maybe I'm just screwed... – crippledlambda Aug 30 '10 at 14:49
Of interest. When you rebind <delete> to something (say, (insert "a")), that command is NOT called when you press <delete> when the region is selected with the mouse.... – Trey Jackson Aug 30 '10 at 14:57
up vote 2 down vote accepted
Found it:
(setq delete-active-region nil)
is the answer. Thanks to all for toughing it out with me!
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For this I had to turn cua-mode off also, since when the mark is active the backspace and C-d is bound to cua-delete-region. Unexpected, since cua-enable-cua-keys is set to nil, but I guess I'll do without cua-mode... – crippledlambda Aug 30 '10 at 15:33
That doesn't solve the problem in vanilla Emacs (emacs -q). – Trey Jackson Aug 30 '10 at 15:49
Interesting! I don't even have that variable...a quick Google search makes it seem like it only exists in delsel.el, which is included in GNU Emacs but apparently has to be required before use. I never knew about it; sorry I couldn't have been more help! – R. P. Dillon Aug 30 '10 at 16:14
works for me with emacs -q... very odd, very odd... indeed. @rpdillon - thanks for your help! – crippledlambda Aug 30 '10 at 23:15
In ELisp, 0 is considered as true.
Try by setting
(setq delete-selection-mode nil)
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I was not aware that delete-select-mode was also a variable... but your suggestion did not work, unforunately... – crippledlambda Aug 30 '10 at 13:17
how odd too - about the zero - thanks for that tip. – crippledlambda Aug 30 '10 at 13:18
From your current buffer, try Control ESC ESC and enter the Lisp above (setq delete-selection-mode nil) (Enter). It should change the local behavior. Then try by setting the line in .emacs (may work for all buffers). Finally you can use the M-x (Alt-x) describe-variable and enter (completion) delete-selection-mode. The menu will offer you first customization, in which you can save the value permanently. – ring0 Aug 30 '10 at 13:54
Nope... actually I don't know about Control ESC ESC (doesn't work) but same as M-:, which is (eval-expression)? I'm not entirely new to emacs so I did try changing the variable with both setq and in custom-set-variables in my .emacs file and restarted emacs - but did not work. Strange... – crippledlambda Aug 30 '10 at 14:04
Sorry it was Control-x ESC ESC to quick-edit the mini buffer and eval the setq. You can do also Alt-x eval-expression, 'Alt' being Meta - depending on your keyboard. It should work at least locally. This is M-x (Alt-x) and not M-:, to use describe-variable. – ring0 Aug 30 '10 at 14:49
As has been noted, cua-mode doesn't handle this nicely. The simplest way to retain that mode without this problem would seem to be to redefine the cua keymap (see cua--init-keymaps) after initialising the mode, to unbind the various delete keys from cua-delete-region:
(add-hook 'cua-mode-hook 'my-cua-mode-hook)
(defun my-cua-mode-hook ()
(define-key cua--region-keymap [remap delete-backward-char] 'delete-backward-char)
(define-key cua--region-keymap [remap backward-delete-char] 'backward-delete-char)
(define-key cua--region-keymap [remap backward-delete-char-untabify] 'backward-delete-char-untabify)
(define-key cua--region-keymap [remap delete-char] 'delete-char))
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This prevents CUA from stomping on <delete> in normal mode, but I can't get it to still delete region when actually in CUA mode. – mc_electron Mar 31 '14 at 15:01
Apparently, this makes it work fine for the backspace. Even in cua mode:
;; Let backspace and delete be defined as usual if
;; nothing is highlighted, otherwise the marked region is deleted
(defun kill-something() (interactive)
(if (and mark-active transient-mark-mode)
(kill-region (point) (mark))
(backward-delete-char-untabify 1)))
;;(global-set-key [delete] 'kill-something)
(global-set-key [backspace] 'kill-something)
This code was found here.
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Add (delete-selection-mode nil) to your configuration file.
From the documentation inside Emacs:
delete-selection-mode is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `delsel.el'.
(delete-selection-mode &optional ARG)
Toggle Delete Selection mode. With prefix ARG, turn Delete Selection mode on if ARG is positive, off if ARG is not positive.
When Delete Selection mode is enabled, Transient Mark mode is also enabled and typed text replaces the selection if the selection is active. Otherwise, typed text is just inserted at point regardless of any selection.
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productive” than others (Indigenous land use),
was used to exclude Indigenous land and people[91].
The productivity myth is deeply ingrained into the
financialization of land today. “Highest and best use” is
a framework commonly used in commercial real estate
development to appraise the potential profit of a piece
of land and decide on its use. Created by economist
Irving Fisher, the framework assesses land use based on
four criteria: the development must be (1) legally
permissible, (2) physically possible, (3) financially
feasible, and (4) maximally productive. The last
criterion, “maximally productive”, means that the
chosen development should prioritize a type of use (forexample, hotel over housing) that could generate
maximum profit, disregarding the parcel’s current
purpose[92]. Uses that are not “maximally
productive”—the balance of various types of
commercial, civic, and residential programs, a diverse
mix of residents, or the availability of transportation
infrastructure that promotes active lifestyles—do not
factor into this analysis because their benefits cannot be
quantified as direct revenue.
Systems of measurement and valuation do not operate
linearly, they reinforce one another iteratively. The
history of land use demonstrates this self-reinforcing
dynamic: measurement serves to progressively
subdivide land while the value of the land progressively
increases[93]. This dynamic also plays out in the
financialization of attention by platform businesses.
With the more granular subdivision of attention through
user engagement, such as “like” and “share” and more
accurate valuation of user behaviors, the value of
attention increases in turn. When left unchecked, this
dynamic complicates the roles, incentives, and
responsibilities that are key to maintaining the health of
democratic practice.
Using lessons from real estate and urban development,
I expose three mechanisms platforms used to
financialize attention: (1) conflate user roles in ways that
undermine their agency, (2) tokenize the incentives
behind everyday communication to drive up
engagement, and (3) use proxy metrics to defer the social
responsibility inherent in exclusionary practices.
3.1 Conflate roles
Platforms exploit the intersection of surveillance
capitalism and identity politics. Individuals are valued
for their authenticity while being asked to play multiple
roles. Engagement metrics, such as “like” and “share”,
privilege the quantity and frequency of individuals’
immediate reactions while reducing their agency in their
actions. These mechanisms conflate roles in two
ways. In an era of information overflow, authentic
self-expressions—which is scarce by nature—has
become a valuable commodity. How people express
themselves reveals their preferences, interests, and
connections and affirms their position as a member of
their social network. However, these expressions are
also the key input into platforms’ mechanisms for
increasing conversion—algorithmic ranking and
personalized advertisements—that influence Joanne Cheung : Real Estate Politik: Democracy and the Financialization of Social Networks 327
individuals’ purchasing and political decisions. Herein
lies platform extraction: using the authenticity of an
individual’s role as a member of their social group to
categorize and predict their role as a consumer (of
commercial products and political advertising). The two
roles that an individual is asked to play on a platform are
not equally consensual. To an individual user, the
platform markets itself as a provider of communication
infrastructure and not as an advertising channel
personalized based on their personal data. In blurring
these two roles, the extent to which an individual’s
behavior in their first role (as a member of their social
group) is influenced by their second role (as a consumer)
becomes obscured as well.
Optimizing for engagement also conflates otherwise
separate roles in the information supply chain:
individual users are not only consumers—they are also
producers and distributors. These separate roles
typically enable the terms of transaction for each activity
to be clearly delineated. However, interactions on the
platform are designed to encourage all three types of
activities at once. On Facebook, for example, all posts in
the News Feed are followed with the “like” button, the
“comment” button, and the “share” button. Furthermore,
these engagement interactions are all reward-based. The
quantity of “likes” given to a piece of content rewards
producers with a sense of popularity. Badges such as
“Top Fan”—awarded to the most active
participants—turn communication into competition. By
communicating through the platforms, individuals
become unwitting contestants in the commodification of
their authenticity.
3.2 Tokenize incentives
Similar to how casinos turn cash into token currencies in
the form of gambling chips, platforms turn incentives
driving social interactions into token currencies in the
form of “likes” and “shares”. Token currencies increase
the psychological distance between the cost of
consumption and the action of consumption, and as a
consequence, they make it easier for users to consume
more[94]. Management scientist and economist Drazen
Prelec refers to token currencies as “hedonic buffers”:
“by buffering themselves between real money and
consumption, they protect consumption from the moral
tax”[95]. When purchasing a token currency, the
consumer does not need to specify how the currency will
be used. When the consumer spends the currency, they
do not feel the need to evaluate the implications of thetransaction as carefully as they would with a cash
transaction.
Similarly, when a user posts on the platform, he/she
does not need to specify his/her intended audience.
Every interaction on Facebook—be it a post, a comment,
or a “like”—is, by default, broadcast to the entirety of the
user’s social network. If a user is required to specify to
whom they are speaking every time they write a post,
they would be more likely to consider the immediate
consequences of their action. By removing choice in one’s
audience, the psychological distance between the social
cost of an interaction and the interaction itself widens,
and user engagement increases as a result.
Considering current debates around the limits of social
cognition online[96–98], tokenizing social incentives
exploits and undermines the cognitive limits of
individuals on social networks. Responses to this
extractive pattern have themselves been subsumed by
financialization. The rise of the social quantification
sector[67] capitalizes on the extraction of attention as well
as its conservation. In the last decade, “digital
mindfulness”—from meditation apps to features like
Screen Time—has become a billion-dollar business; in
parallel, social network platforms feed emotions into the
“outrage industry”[99]. Like the false dichotomy of land
as either a pristine wilderness[78] or a site of extraction,
seeing people’s attention as either “protected” or
“exploited” ultimately distracts from the extent of
disempowerment caused by platforms and the fact that
both result in the commodification of authenticity.
3.3 Defer responsibilities
Proxy metrics defer social responsibility to the technical
implementations of the system. This form of obfuscation
makes the values (such as racial discrimination or the
relentless pursuit of profit) that fundamentally drive
decisions shielded from direct critique.
In the context of cities, the ongoing struggle for
segregation demonstrates the extent to which
exclusionary practices have co-evolved with the history
of urban development. Discrimination acts and persists,
indirectly, through proxy metrics that encode bias. If
measures to counteract discrimination are not
proactively instituted, exclusionary practices will
reinforce discrimination. In the early 1900s, White
homeowners who perceived people of color as a threat
to their property value began adopting racially restrictive
covenants to bar people of color from home ownership 328 Journal of Social Computing, December 2021, 2(4): 323−336
in their neighborhoods. When the federal government
created the Home Owners’ Loan Corporation with the
aim to expand home ownership opportunities as a part
of the New Deal, rather than proactively mitigating the
racial discrimination, government surveyors based their
neighborhood ranking system on local officials’ and
bankers’ racially charged risk assessments. In this way,
they encoded racial discrimination into the value of
land[100, 101], which resulted in racial segregation and
concentrated poverty that still persist today[102–106].
Beyond the direct encoding of exclusion, single-family
zoning ordinances conceal the discrimination behind
proxy metrics like building density. Institutionalized by
Village of Arlington Heights v. Metropolitan Housing
Development Corp.(1977), single-family zoning de facto
separates lower-income populations—disproportionately
racial minorities—from wealthier populations[107],
perpetuating systemic disinvestments.
Proxy metrics for revenue used by platforms make the
prioritization of private profit at the expense of other
public good an unquestioned practice, and they
underscore how extensively the entanglements between
exclusionary practice and finance have been normalized.
Instead of proactively integrating different perspectives,
platforms by default algorithmically rank messages
based on relevance, measured as “the number of
comments, likes, and reactions a post receives”[108].
Algorithmic ranking prioritizes messages that support
one’s preexisting beliefs and exclude ones that may
challenge those beliefs. Changes to the default sorting
method, such as chronological sorting, must be manually
selected by the user. Although Facebook’s News Feed
preferences proclaim to let individuals “take control and
customize” the feed, the only way a user can make
changes is to prune their News Feed: to add or remove
up to 30 users to be prioritized to “see first”. Individuals
have no power to meaningfully change the exclusionary
ranking mechanism that determines the value of what
they see.
This systematic reinforcement of confirmation bias
undermines a fundamental condition for a healthy
democracy: a shared context that includes divergent
beliefs, founded on a spirit of generosity rather than
animosity. The efficacy of democratic practice lies in the
collective ability to empathize, internalize, and reconcile
differing opinions and beliefs. As anthropologist
Elizabeth Povinelli writes, “The power of a particular
form of communication to commensurate morally andepistemologically divergent social groups lies at the
heart of liberal hopes for a nonviolent democratic form
of governmentality”.
Filtering one’s interactions based on existing
preferences and social connections narrows the context
of one’s preexisting beliefs. In Liberalism and Social
Action, John Dewey[109] writes, “The method of
democracy is to bring conflicts out into the open where
their special claims can be seen and appraised, where
they can be discussed and judged in light of more
inclusive interests than are represented by either of them
separately”. The “meaningful inefficiencies”[110]
inherent in the integration of diverse perspectives is
foundation for democracy and yet is at odds with the
platforms’ exclusive focus on productivity. If social
networks are to exist in service of democracy, then they
need to proactively create the conditions for
pluralism—to make it possible and desirable to reconcile
differences rather than obscuring or exploiting them for
profit.
In order to mitigate the systemic biases inherent in
social networks and the detrimental effects of social
exclusion, the first step is to question the status quo.
Historically, land use that supports democracy has not
been a given; it needed to be directly advocated for and
formalized through law. The same expectations should
be set for the democratic affordance of social networks.
The Montgomery bus boycott, Freedom Rides, and
many other protests of the civil rights movement were
fights for African Americans to gain equal rights in
public space. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 ended
segregation in the public space, and the Fair Housing Act
of 1978 made it illegal to write racially restrictive
covenants into property deeds. A part of the work of
changing the system is to expose its mechanisms. As
Richard Rothstein advocated in The Color of Law,
revealing how the mechanisms work creates
opportunities for their reform. In the next section, I draw
from the practice of urban planning and land justice
movements to imagine new roles, incentives, and
responsibilities for social networks.
4 Reclaim Social Networks from
Financialization
Reclaiming social networks from financialization will
require creating mechanisms that align the incentives of
the platform with the public interest. This begins with
recognizing the colonial underpinnings of American Joanne Cheung : Real Estate Politik: Democracy and the Financialization of Social Networks 329
democracy[111–114] and relinquishing the nostalgic vision
of the colonial New England town halls. To create a
collective space for an experimentalist democracy fit for
our time, we need to embrace rather than obscure the
“contingency of context”[115] of our globally connected
society. Using lessons from urban planning, land justice,
and Indigenous land stewardship, I propose three
mechanisms to help reclaim social networks from
financialization and reorient them to the public interest:
(1) use urban planning to redefine roles that have been
conflated by platforms, (2) use community land trusts to
illustrate how public interest can be protected from
market forces, and (3) use the practice of Indigenous land
stewardship to inspire new thinking about the meaning
of social responsibility.
4.1 Redefine roles: “urban planning”
Urban planning can serve as a model for a professional
role that serves the public interest. As designers of public
space, urban planners must wrestle with large private
interests while they “continuously pursue and faithfully
serve the public interest”[116]. In order to receive the
licensure to practice—and to ensure that “the public
interest” prevails in these negotiations—urban planners
must follow Ethical Principles set by the American
Planning Association’s Institute of Certified Planners:
(1) Recognize the rights of citizens to participate in
planning decisions;
(2) Strive to give citizens (including those who lack
formal organization or influence) full, clear, and
accurate information on planning issues and the
opportunity to have a meaningful role in the
development of plans and programs;
(3) Strive to expand choice and opportunity for all
persons, recognizing a special responsibility to plan for
the needs of disadvantaged groups and persons;
(4) Assist in the clarification of community goals,
objectives, and policies in plan-making;
(5) Ensure that reports, records, and any other
non-confidential information which is, or will be,
available to decision makers is made available to the
public in a convenient format and sufficiently in advance
of any decision;
(6) Strive to protect the integrity of the natural
environment and the heritage of the built environment;
(7) Pay special attention to the interrelatedness of
decisions and the long-range consequences of presentactions.
Given the similarity in challenges faced by urban
planners and stewards of social networks, the American
Planning Association’s Ethical Principles seem
eminently applicable to their roles. Values of inclusivity,
fairness, and transparency are all values that should
guide the design of a healthy digital democracy. As a
thought experiment, what if platforms adopted the
following ethical principles, based on the ones set forth
by the American Planning Association?
(1) Recognize the rights of people to participate in
platform design decisions;
(2) Strive to give people (including those who lack
formal organization or influence) full, clear, and
accurate information on product development issues and
the opportunity to have a meaningful role in the design
and development of the platform;
(3) Strive to expand choice and opportunity for all
persons, recognizing a special responsibility to plan for
the needs of disadvantaged groups and persons;
(4) Assist in the clarification of community goals,
objectives, and policies in plan-making;
(5) Ensure that reports, records, and any other
non-confidential information which is, or will be,
available to decision makers is made available to the
public in a convenient format and sufficiently in advance
of any decision;
(6) Strive to protect the integrity of the digital public
sphere;
(7) Pay special attention to the interrelatedness of
decisions and the long-range consequences of present
actions.
These ethical principles would encourage better
decisions on the level of individual designers. However,
though these principles reflect core democratic values, to
substantively improve the business of the platforms,
ethical principles are far from enough. Individuals’
decisions and responsibilities correlate to their
decision-making power and scope of accountability. A
designer or engineer at the level of an “individual
contributor” in a technology company may be
responsible for their own output, such as a “share” button
or refresh content controls. While their design decisions
potentially shape the communication systems between
billions of people, their social impact massively exceeds
their power within the organization. Even if the designer
or engineer adopted these ethical principles in the public 330 Journal of Social Computing, December 2021, 2(4): 323−336
interest, they would face enormous barriers in practice
and would personally bear the risk of acting against the
interest of their employers. Ethical principles must
operate in a context that is greater than any individual
designer or organization; they need to align with or shift
the incentive structure of the business model.
In land use, urban planning and real estate
development are different fields with distinct duties and
ethics. Social network platforms, in their current
formation, collapse incentives, roles, and
responsibilities that help preserve meaningful checks
and balances between the private and public interests. In
the absence of an equivalent field of “urban planning”
dedicated to the public interest for social networks,
platforms are driven exclusively as commercial real
estate development. Recognizing the different
incentives behind these two professions is critical for
discussions on technology ethics. Unlike urban planners,
commercial real estate developers have no professional
association nor explicit ethical principles. Codes of
ethics are often found in fiduciary duty-defined
relationships, which obligates a practitioner to act solely
in the interests of their client—for example, doctor and
patient. Real estate developers, on the other hand, do not
have a fiduciary duty towards the users of buildings they
develop. Instead, they act in accordance with the profit
motives of their investors, whose interest in maximizing
the bottom line is often at odds with the interest of users.
Similarly, social network platforms act in the best
interest of their investors, shareholders, and clients
(advertisers), which leads neither to the benefit nor
protection of the participants in the network.
Because of this misalignment of individual and
organizational values inherent in social network
platforms, it will be critical to develop “public interest”
roles for social networks, the equivalent of urban
planners and land justice activists—professions with a
fiduciary duty that aligns with their democratic
responsibilities. In addition, beyond growing the field of
public interest designers and technologists, institutions
need to continue to create permanent positions for these
roles to ensure their long-term viability.
4.2 Restore incentives: “community land trusts”
Current debates around individual data ownership apply
property rights to address inequities in monetization, but
this approach is limited. In Colonial Lives of Property,
legal scholar Brenna Bhandar unpacks how coloniallogics have shaped modern conceptions of property and
created “the racial regimes of ownership”[117, 118].
Focusing on individual data ownership shifts the burden
to individuals without addressing the commodification
of their attention in the first place. Similarly, fixes that
regulate individual user behavior—such as
automatically limiting the time a user can spend on
platforms (Social Media Addiction Reduction
Technology Act 2019)—do not address the root of the
problem. Real change requires creating alternatives to
existing platforms that differentiate ownership from use
and remove attention from the commodity market.
Community land trusts are nonprofit organizations
that own and hold land in perpetuity in the permanent
benefit of the communities they serve[119]. Robert Swann,
who formalized the concept of the community land trust
in Community Land Trust: A Guide to a New Model of
Land Tenure in America, connects the concept to
historical roots in Indigenous land stewardship:
“American Indian tradition holds that the land belongs to
God. Individual ownership and personal possession of
land and resources were unknown”[120]. Community
land trusts remove land from the commodity market,
thereby buffering it from the booms and busts of the real
estate market cycles. Crucially, a community land trust
decouples the incentive of ownership from the incentive
of use. Ownership is maintained in the public interest,
while use allows for private interests through 99-year
ground leases, the longest possible term of lease of real
estate property. The community ownership of land
aligns the incentives of the users and the owners; users
have long-term access to affordable space, and the trust
has a strong legal position to serve its mission and
preserve affordability.
To develop an analogous mechanism for social
networks that could incentivize the platform to serve its
people in the long term, we must recognize how the
community land trust is inextricably linked to place.
While the legal arrangement can be replicated across
geographies and adapted to suit local needs, a
community land trust is anchored in its specific
community. This usage of “community” is entirely
different from the “community” used in Facebook’s
mission statement (“Facebook’s mission is to give
people the power to build community and bring the
world closer together”). The community of a community
land trust is defined by and bound by place, whereas the Joanne Cheung : Real Estate Politik: Democracy and the Financialization of Social Networks 331
“community” of Facebook refers to its user base and is
both decoupled from place and ever-expanding. Further,
the residents in the community have voting power by
holding board seats in the community land trust;
Facebook users have no such power. Reclaiming social
networks for the real benefit of communities means that
a community, defined by place, should own the
technology infrastructure and decision-making power in
its use.
4.3 Reframe responsibilities: “Indigenous land
stewardship”
Indigenous land stewardship is an example of collective
stewardship that creates systems-level ecological
benefits like biodiversity[121] and resilience[122–125]. The
success of this practice depends on a mutually
constitutive relationship between people and land. As
Native American poet Paula Gunn Allen writes, “We are
the land... The land is not really the place (separate from
ourselves) where we act out the drama of our isolate
destinies. It is not a means of survival, a setting for our
affairs... It is rather a part of our being, dynamic,
significant, real. It is ourself”[126]. The responsibility to
care for the land and care for the self are one and the same.
Learning from this practice, we can reorient social
networks from financialization to care. This shift
suggests a new approach to thinking about social
responsibilities: from being external to being embodied.
Likewise, the technology that serves this community
must not act from a distance; it must be co-designed.
Laura Mannell, Frank Palermo, and Crispin Smith wrote
in Reclaiming Indigenous Urban Planning, “A
community plan cannot be developed from the outside
looking in. It cannot be done for a community, it must
be done with and by a community”. [127] A community’s
social network, similarly, must be created with and by
the community. Technology that supports social
networks in the public interest begins with honoring the
existing knowledge, capacities, and practices in a
community as its starting point.
The fact that urban planning, community land trusts,
and Indigenous land stewardship are all not-for-profit
practices that exist to primarily serve social good brings
up a natural question: can social network reforms based
on lessons from these practices be achieved from within
existing for-profit platform businesses? Fully
addressing this question—which is fundamentally about
transforming the political economy of data—is beyondthe scope of this article. However, I do wish to highlight
three entry points that are specifically relevant to
businesses. First, businesses comprise groups of
employees who hold a plurality of motivations and
beliefs; these differences can and should be channeled
towards social change. Second, profit and social good
are not necessarily mutually exclusive; businesses with
broad-based shared ownership and cooperative
governance structures naturally align with democratic
practice. Third, coloniality runs deep in the culture of
technology; recognizing colonial inequities within
organizational culture itself is a critical first step.
5 Conclusion
Social networks are now an undeniable public forum.
However, their democratic potential has been undercut
by the goals of platform businesses and their
mechanisms of financialization. The incentives driving
the platform set private and public interests in direct
conflict. As publicly traded companies, platforms are
ultimately accountable to their shareholders and must
prioritize private interests—the health of the business,
defined by its profitability and market share—over the
public interest and the health of democracy. As privately
owned public spaces in their current form, social
networks’ public-facing experiences, which purport to
champion connection and community in practice
obscure the extractive nature of their business model.
Connection is exploited for its network power to expand
the customer base; community is exploited as an input
into a platform’s advertising product. The language,
interactions, and relationships of social networks have
been coopted.
In order to reclaim social networks from
financialization by platform businesses, we need to first
expose the systems and mechanisms driving the process.
As this article has shown, the financialization of land
provides a critical lens for examining the systems that
enable the financialization of attention and the
constitutive role colonialism played in shaping them.
Examples from land use also demonstrate possibilities
for rethinking roles, incentives, and responsibilities,
shifting social networks from extraction to mutualism,
from expansion to place. Given this new understanding,
I hope we can move from critique to creation and
collaboratively build the theoretical frameworks, legal
instruments, funding models, technical infrastructure, 332 Journal of Social Computing, December 2021, 2(4): 323−336
and social norms to steward social networks in the public
interest.
Acknowledgment
The author wishes to thank the Ethical Tech Working
Group at the Harvard Berkman Klein Center for
Internet & Society.
References
D. Harvey, The right to the city, New Left Rev., vol. 53,
pp. 23–40, 2008.[1]
Facebook, Inc., Annual report pursuant to section 13 or
15(d) of the securities exchange act of 1934 for the fiscal
year ended December 31, 2020, https://
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now, and they aren’t the only one, so there is no excuse for anyone even remotely involved in IT to think that *any* bank has a robust internal IT structure.
The fact that this guy gives shout outs to paypalsucks and massacard speaks volumes to me about the parlous state of affairs.
As does the “ok I’ll do what it says on the screen and phone this number…” I’d have been in the local branch every day with my accountant and a police officer and a live streaming web cam demanding the account is closed and my money was given to me in the form of a bankers draft… it wouldn’t head off any money laundering / drug dealing investigation or liability, the paper trail is still there.
Suspending an account doesn’t make sense, the paper trail *is* the evidence, it does not need to be frozen in carbonite, and even if they money itself goes “missing” polly peck style, the evidence is still all there.
This is of course all assuming that HSBC is solvent and this isn’t some scam to cover up an internal cash flow problem.
This guy’s entire fucking business model is fucked, and he can’t see it, he can only see the one domino that fell, and this is someone who codes for a living, and still can’t see progression.
The guy is complaining about his mortgage and not being able to pay employees, all he has to do is tell them all he is investigating suspicious activity and until further notice his mortgage payments and staff wages are frozen.
Why not, if the arguments given to him were valid, they would be valid to pass on to his mortgage company and staff, if they are not valid to pass on, then they are not valid.
It brings us back to the old adage, if it can be taken from you, it is not yours.
But that needs a little refinement, because as we see here, not everything requires squads of jackbooted stasi to kick your door in and load up a truck with your shit.
So, if it can be *trivially* taken from you, with a single mouse click, it is not yours.
But even this does not address systemic risk, such as this guy and many others face.
Sure, in this case HSBC were a bunch of worthless lying fucks, but that does not change the entirely separate issue that HSBC are not responsible for this guy choosing to run a business rabidly exposed to systemic risk and failure.
That’s what HSBC lawyers would argue, and I would agree with them.
Anyone want to take any bets with me that his IT business doesn’t have verified bare metal PC world new hardware back up and running in 4 hours backups, or a decent redundant pipe to the backbone so that a single JCB or backbone routing failure can’t take him out?
There are 10 types of people in this world, those that see systemic failure, and those that do not (old binary joke) and those that do can’t ignore it.
September 4, 2017
Elon Musk
Filed under: Wimminz — wimminz @ 11:16 pm
It wasn’t an aberration, a typo, a joke, it wasn’t a covevfe or whatever, Musk has been banging on about AI / skynet / terminator for weeks now.
Which puts him firmly on the same level as everyone expecting planet nbiru to arrive next week, the level where you have a stark choice between;
• A – Being a person who is too dumb and too ignorant to make any intelligent observations or speculations, eg a fucking asshole.
• B – Being a person who believed in fairytale shit, eg a fucking lunatic.
Pick one.
It doesn’t matter which one you pick, the jury is no longer out, which means everything he touches is going to turn to shit.
To be sure, it’s part of a world wide malaise, NASA scientists with plans to cool down Yellowstone, it’s about on a par with geologists with plans to build a faster than light starship.
Does anyone remember the NMS / MSX 16 bit computers?
I had one, made by Phillips, it ran Windows 1.1
It was the Tesla of computers, lots of quite clever ideas packaged together and hyped to fuck around the beginning of 16 bit computing… I bought one instead of an early atari… read the computer press today and you’ll read a lot of articles by people who clearly never used any of that shit back in the day about how the Psion / MSX / Spectrum / Atari / C64 / crapple ][ / Dragon / etc are the DNA of modern computing, proving that they neither know anything about evolution or computing, because all of these things were interesting failures, dead ends and cul de sacs on the route to what did come to pass.
Tesla will be the same, a future footnote in the history of EV’s somewhere on a par with the Jowett steam car today, some future Jay Leno type asshole will have a mint model x somewhere in a shed alongside a twingo and an old english electric milk float.
Musk himself it is claimed is a great engineer, yet he has never shown any of the traits of even a mediocre motor mechanic, and his success is down to a series of fortuitous business deals, zip2/compaq buyout xcom / paypal / fleabay buyout, with the common thread throughout of Musk wanting to be a CEO, and nobody else wanting Musk to be a CEO, so Musk shares more in common with Jobs than he does with Wozniak or Gates, in other words he is a fucking idiot with grand ideas who screams at other people when they fail to make his grand ideas work.
The differences between Musk and Jobs and most of the other similar natured assholes out there, is one way or another they got rich enough that people would put up with the screaming in exchange for the paycheck.
So now that musk has hyperloop up to 200 mph, the Chinese have announced plans to build a 2,400 mph version, and they have done the math, even if the western press has to search to find some chinese asshole who would breathlessly predict, in shades of Stephenson’s rocket, that human passengers would be unable to endure such ludicrously high speeds.
The guys riding the Saturn V upper stages to the moon went at 10.4 km/sec, which is 37,440 km/h, which is 23,400 miles per hour, so 10x faster than the chinese hyperloop, but none of them died of the speed.
I knew someone who met Buzz Aldrin, he told me that Aldrin said it was one of the things that pissed off all the Apollo crews, people only talked about who walked on the moon, or who walked on the moon first, nobody talked about all of them being the fastest humans that ever lived.
Down here on the surface escape velocity is 11.2 km/sec or around Mach 33 so the chinese hyperloop doing mach 3.1 aren’t even fucking close, though they will feel a weight loss if travelling a great circle route.
But, if they can do that sort of speed in atmosfear, it will be enough to ignite a scramjet on the track, but far more interesting than all that is the precision and control needed to run maglev at those speeds, fuck making bog standard 18650 LiOn cells slightly fatter, they’ll be playing with high temperature superconductivity and magnetic containment and steering to make it all work, and so the “drive” technology of the chinese hyperloop will have far reaching effects that blow anything Musk ever dreamed of out of the water, after all, the only difference between a linear electric motor and a radial one is one is curved into a circle and the other one is not.
Mach 3.1 on maglev is also a ballistic weapon platform with twice the velocity of anything a smokeless powder will do, see your.50 cal 49 gram hornady at 1,750 mph and raise you 100 tonnes of 144.00 cal train doing 2,400 mph… I don’t even want to think about the muzzle energy… 20 bullets in a kilo so 20,000 in a tonne so 2,000,000 in a hundred tonne train, so 18 kilojoules for the 50 cal and 50+ giga joules for the train.
Some cunt in Oklahoma will still try to make a handgun to fire it… lol
But if you needed any other metric to note that tesla was doomed, you only have to read about the workers complaining about conditions and pay in the factories, it should be robots from one end to the other.
If Musk or *anyone* else at Tesla was a real engineer then one of the first things they would have built in would be “follow my leader” and DGPS parking and retrieval and movement, just assemble the battery frame wheels drivetrain and a basic electronic package and the cars become their own production line, within the confines of a production facility, or a tesla sales room, or an owners property and garage, amazon robots should NOT blow away tesla cars for basic functionality.
The thing is amazon robots are built from the ground up to be an amazon robot, tesla cars started out as a concept with a chevy / ford IC car design in which they started crossing out all the things they didn’t like, and designing electric alternatives to fill the blanks, and then added an autopilot on top of that.
There is NOTHING in the tesla autopilot that you could not retrofit quite cheaply to any modern IC engined auto trans fly by wire vehicle, which is many of them.
The fact is they don’t, and they don’t because 95% of the sensors and patents are owned by Bosch.
Nobody buys a Bosch car, they buy a merc or a beemer or a volvo, but most of what makes the car work nowadays hidden away behind panels is Bosch or someone very similar.
Basically Bosch and Yamaha are your two real practical buy it today choices if you want to buy in electric motors for your bicycle factory, to make yourself an e-bicycle factory, and that shit just works out of the box.
CANbus yeah man no problem built in standard protocols, want a bunch of sensors that just plug in too? No problem man, so now you can go out and convert your bicycle factory to a e-bike with ABS factory.
Now here is the thing, one thing the proponents of EV’s all agree on, 95% of 95% of people’s journeys are 20 miles or less, so EV’s are fucking great, let’s go hug a fucking tree.
Well any argument that you can make FOR the EV, be it a tesla or a Nissan leaf, the e-bike wins hands down and blows you out of the water…. but but but I have me and three passengers… no matter, FOUR fucking e-bikes still blows you out of the water.
I actually *can* see myself buying or building (thanks bosch / yamaha etc) an ebike for myself in my future, so 30 mph and 250 watts is the current legal limit, age 14 or over, no licensing or limitations, me I don’t give a fuck, I have a 1700 cc harley so I can just go out and buy a proper electric scooter or motorcycle, say from yamaha or bultaco or many other well known brands or even a zero… the 2 wheeled tesla equivalent in terms of features and range and price point….. but being honest 30 mph and 250 watts is good enough, especially for an engineer than can make it 35 mph and 500 watts cos no fucker is going to know esp with the hidden feature / bluetooth/RF fob in pocket to enable full power, all my local in city journeys are 4 miles each way or less, most of the roads are 20 mph limit, some are 30… one bit of one is 40 but you can only do that at 2am, rest of the time there is traffic.
30 mph is a mile every 2 minutes, so a specific 4 mile journey is 8 minutes, in a car at 2 am it’s ten minutes, in a motorcycle it’s 6 or 7 minutes, in traffic an electric bicycle would be 10 minutes tops… in a car its 35, even a tesla or leaf, on a bike 15…
Course, maybe Musk doesn’t like the fact that Bosch call their level 3 connected car project Skynet (no.. seriously… and idiots tell me ze germans, zey heff no sense of humour…. germans have *great* senses of humour, it’s just different, and it seems to me as an auslander to lean heavily on satire rather than word play) So I dunno, maybe Musk read about that and did some bad mushrooms and then played a little wolfenstien, but he’s still a fucking tool…. and in future tesla will be remembered as well and as fondly as the MSX 16 bit computers and windows 1.1.
Gerald Ratner.
“our products are crap”
This is musk’s ratner moment.
The direct current conundrum.
Filed under: Wimminz — wimminz @ 4:02 pm
99.999% of people, even after they have what DC electricity is, explained to them, will only know of or encounter two sorts.
1.5 VDC primary cells like AA, C, D etc.
12 VDC secondary lead acid batteries in their car.
So, DC is “safe”, hark back to edison and tesla/westinghouse etc.
In my trade as a marine engineer 30 years ago working on stuff that was old then, I would *often* come across huge banks of traction cells (big slabs of battery shaped like a slim pack of business cards) each one being 2 VDC, made up into big parallel and series connected banks that often ran to about 110 VDC.
It was instantly fatal to fuck with it, metal spectacles, metal watch straps, metal rings, and of course spanners and other tools, would result in horrific injuries and sometimes death, and then there was the voltage and current itself, with DC you get two seemingly random choices, depending on *which* muscle groups spasm and lock up when the power hits them, you either get thrown clear and suffer torn muscles and ligaments, or you get clamped on and the torn muscles and ligaments and all the rest of you start to cook, literally.
In later years in IT I’d see similarly huge DC battery banks in telephone switch exchanges, but the voltage was much lower, usually 48 VDC, still enough to very badly injure you, and possibly kill you… so not *as* dangerous as 110 VDC, but not “safe” by any means.
Bus bars would be slabs of solid copper bar, 2″ x 1″ and up, and it was common to space the +ve and -ve bus bars by enough distance that you couldn’t put one hand on one and one hand on the other by accident, so +ve down on side of a battery bank and the -ve down the other side 10 feet away or more.
Live superheated steam and heavy rotating machinery were other things that were treated with similar levels of respect, fuck with it and die, make a mistake and die, lose focus or attention and die, and if you don’t die and do live, you injuries might be so severe and painful you wish you did.
Now, in 2017, we are getting EV’s on the road with three times these DC voltages, and similar current delivery capacities, and if 110 VDC is possibly fatal, 350 VDC is fucking lethal.
It’s all very well to say “it’s contained” and that “safety precautions” have been made, but the people making these choices and decisions and designing this shit didn’t grow up working with 110 VDC and the injuries and fatalities it created… I did, I personally knew first hand;
1. one guy, we’ll call him Fred, his metal frame spectacles fell off, shorted the terminals on a big 110 VDC bank being charged by a 2 cylinder Gardner diesel and DC genny, tops of the batteries blew off taking all his face and both eyeballs and both ears and much of his neck and throat, he lived, with some hearing in one ear.
2. another guy, we’ll call him Tom, stainless steel rolex watch strap completed the circuit between a cable he was handling and an improperly shorted battery cage frame, his hand came off, though the stump was mainly cauterised.
3. two other guys, call them Dick and Harry, both had a hand clamp on and the power went through their bodies, killing and cooking them at the same time.
Three of these four incidents happened within 100 feet of me, people who weren’t there attempt to be grisly as say they assume it is the smell that stays with you.. it isn’t, it’s the taste, that shit gets in the air and you breathe it in and taste it.
All batteries are basically chemical storage mediums, it’s chemistry at work inside the battery, and you can pull an isolator all you want, that chemistry is still there, wanting to work… just gimme a fucking circuit bitch, any circuit will do.
So yeah, I’m sure Tesla et al can design an EV that doesn’t cook the unwary when then a rear light cluster is changed out, but what of firefighters and recovery guys and anyone else involved with an accident damaged vehicle?
As someone who worked recovery for a while, I can tell you one of the first things you did with a mangled wreck was check the engine compartment, if you saw diesel injectors, you relaxed, if you saw spark plugs, you started to get cautious, if you saw LPG plumbing, you started to get very very cautious.
As someone who worked in motorway recovery, and who was also a time served marine engineer, I can tell you now, if I was still in recovery, my policy would be I’m not touching your fucking wrecked EV, not with anything less than a grab claw on the end of a HIAB anyway.
I had occasion to look inside the guts of an EV late last week, it only just occurred to me today, those big beefy DC power cables weren’t armoured, not properly… in the boats the SWA cable was itself run in thick wall steel pipe duct. and it was already tucked away behind an outer steel hull and some inner steel bulkheads… in a telephone exchange the busbars were contained within a very robust reinforced concrete building with some brick exterior cladding…
In an EV it’s all behind biscuit tin gauge metal and monocoque pressed construction.
If there is one thing I know in life it is that “projected” and “real” are never the same thing, those euro ncap crash tests and videos can look as impressive as fuck, then in real life you get to a job and it don’t make no odds if the car was no stars or five stars for crash protection, 40+ tons of lorry and cargo just went through it like it was tissue paper.
The only way you can make 100 series connected 3.4 VDC cells safe is by making 25 separate banks of 4 in series with physical breakers in between, so that all the breakers open simultaneously with the airbag, and in a way that they can’t be closed or shorted.
Won’t be happening before the fatalities start to mount.
Don’t take my word for it, go talk to someone with hands on experience of working with high voltage and current DC systems… they’ll all say the same thing, for any voltage or current combination, DC is more scary than AC, and when you add in secondary cell high voltage DC, it’s really not something to trifle with or under-estimate.
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you deal with abstract problems
and so
what a good future looks like to you
is
a little it seems like it's like an
abstract problem that
later
the good things that ai can give us are
better than the good things that we can
think of right now is that a fair
summary
seems right yeah
right so there's like there's this view
and this comes from maybe stephen pinker
or someone else i'm not sure or maybe
ray kurzweil i i don't know um where
you know if you give a caveman a genie
or like an ai they'll ask for maybe like
a bigger cave and like i would like
there to be more hunks of meat
and
i would like my
like pelt for my bed to be
a little bit bigger go ahead okay i
think i see the issue so i actually
don't agree with your summary of the
thing that i said
uh okay i said that
your your rephrasing was that
um
the
we like ask the ai what good things
there are to do
um or something like that
and that might have been what i said
but what i actually meant
um
was that like
with powerful ai systems like the world
will just be very different and like one
of the ways in which it will be
different is that we can get advice from
ai's on what to do
um and certainly that's an important one
but also there will just be like
incredible new technologies uh that we
don't know about new realms of science
to explore
uh
new concepts that we like don't even
have the
have names for right now and one that
seems particularly interesting to me
it's just like entirely new senses like
i just have like
you know we human vision is just like
incredibly complicated but like i can
just look around the room and identify
all the objects with basically no
conscious thought what would it be like
to like understand dna at that level
like alpha fold probably understands dna
at some maybe not quite that level but
something like it
um
like
i don't know man it's not there's just
like all these things that i'm like
you know i thought of the dna one
because of alpha fold if before alpha
fold would have thought of it probably
not
i don't know maybe crystal has written a
little bit about things like this but
like it feels like there will just be
like far more opportunities
and then also we can get advice from
ai's but like that's probably actually
and and that's important but i think
less than they there are far more
opportunities that like i am definitely
not going to be able to think of today
do you think that it's dissimilar from
the caveman like wishing for more
caveman things
yeah like
i feel like the
in the
the the caveman story
like
if the king like it's possible
that the caveman does this but i feel
like the the thing that the caveman
should be doing
is like something like you know
give me new give me like better ways to
like
uh to to get
give me better food or something and
then like you get fired to cook things
or something like
the things that he asked for should like
involve technology
um
as a solution
you should get technology as a solution
you should like learn more and be able
to do more things as a result of having
that technology
and like you know in this hypothetical
at that the caveman should like
reasonably quickly become like
similar to
modern humans
i don't know what reasonably quickly
means here but like
it should be much more like you know you
get access to more and more technologies
rather than like you get a bigger cave
and then you're like i have no more
wishes anymore
just like
i'm like if i got a bigger house would i
stop having wishes that seemed super
unlikely
um i think i like that's a straw man
argument sorry but still i i like do
feel like there's a meaningful sense in
which like getting new technology leads
to just genuinely new circumstances
uh which leads to more opportunities
which leads to like probably more
technology and so on and like at some
point this has to stop
um
there are like limits to what is
possible
one assumes there are limits to what is
possible in the universe
uh but i think like once we once we get
to talking about we're at those limits
then i'm like
you know at that point it's like
probably at that point it just seems
irresponsible to speculate it's just so
wildly out of the range of things that
we know
like at that point i'm like they're
probably just not
the concept of a person is probably
wrong at that point
the what of a person is probably wrong
at that point the concept of a person
oh
i'd be like is there an is there an
entity that i would that that is rohin
at that time like
not likely
less than 50
we'll edit in just like uh
fractals flying through
your video at this part of the interview
so in my example i think it's just
because i think i think of cavemen as
not knowing how to ask for new
technology but we want to be able to ask
for new technology
um and part of what this brings up for
me is this very classic part of ai
alignment and i'm curious how you feel
like it fits into the problem but we
would also like ai systems to help us
imagine
beneficial futures potentially or to
know like what is good or what it is
that that we want so in asking for new
technology
it knows that fire is part of
the good that we
don't know how to necessarily ask for
directly
how do you how do you view
ai alignment
in terms of
itself
aiding in
the creation of beneficial futures and
knowing what is
knowing of a good that is beyond the
good that humanity can grasp
i think i more like reject the premise
of the question
where i'd be like
there is no good beyond that which
humanity can grasp this is like somewhat
of an anti-realist position
um and like you mean moral anti-realist
just yes
yes sorry i should have said that
more clearly yeah somewhat of a moral
anteriorist position but it's like
you know there is
no good other than that which humans can
grasp but like you know within that
could grasp that you can like you know
have humans thinking for a very long
time you could have them like with extra
you can make them more intelligent like
part of the technologies you get from ai
systems
uh will presumably let you do that maybe
you can like
um
i guess set aside questions of like
identi philosophical identity you could
like upload the such that they could run
on a computer run much faster have like
software upgrades to be you know to the
extent that that's philosophically
acceptable
so like
you know there's a lot you can do to
help humans grasp more
um and like ultimately i'm like yes
the like closure of all these
improvements
where you get to with all of that that's
just like is the thing that we want and
like
yes you could have a theory that there
is
something even better and even more out
there
that humans can never access by
themselves
and
i'm like that just seems like a weird
hypothesis to have
and i don't know why you would have it
but in the world where that
hypothesis is true and like i don't know
like if i condition on that hypothesis
being true i don't see why we should
expect that ai systems could access that
further truth um any better than we can
if it's like out of our like you know
the closure of what we can achieve even
with additional intelligence and such
like there's no other advantage that ai
systems have over us
so is is what you're arguing that um
with human augmentation
and help to human beings so with uploads
or with
you know expanding the intelligence and
capabilities of humans that humans have
access to the entire space of what
counts as good
you're like
i think you're like presuming the
existence of an object that is the
entire space of what is good
and i'm like there is no such object
there are only humans and what humans
want to do
and like if you want to define the space
of what what is good you can like define
this like closure property on like what
humans will think is good
like with all of the possible
intelligence augmentations and time and
so on and like that's a reasonable
object and i like i could see calling
that as the like space of what is good
but then like almost tautologically we
can reach it with technology
that's the thing i'm talking about um
the version where you like posit the
existence of the like entire space of
what is good
is like hey i can't really conceive of
that i like don't it doesn't feel very
coherent to me but b when i try to
reason about it anyway
i'm like okay
if humans can't access it why why should
ais be able to access it you've posited
this
new object of like a space of things
that humans can never access
but like how does that space
affect
or interact with reality in any way
like there needs to be some sort of
interaction in order for the ai to be
able to access it
i think i would need to know more about
the
how it interacts with reality in some
way
before i could like meaningfully answer
this question in a way that like
where i could say how ai's could do
something that like humans couldn't even
in principle do
what do you think of the importance or
non-importance of these kinds of
questions and how they fit into the
ongoing
problem of
ai alignment
i think they're important
for determining what the goal of
alignment should be
so
for example
you now know a little bit of what my
view on these questions is
uh which is namely something
like
it's you know
that which humans can access access
under like sufficient augmentations
intelligence time so on is like all that
there is
and so i'm i'm like pretty very into
like
build ai systems that are like
replicating human reasoning that are
sort of approximating what a human would
do if they thought for a long time or
were smarter in some ways and so on
um and so then like yeah we don't
need to worry much about like
or or so i'm i i tend to think of it as
like let's build ai system to systems
that just do tasks that humans can
conceptually understand
and not necessarily they can do it but
they like know what that sort of task is
and then our job is to like
you know the the entire human ai society
is like making forward progress
um towards
making forward moral progress or other
progress
um
in the same way that it has happened in
the past which is like we get exposed to
new situations and new arguments we like
think about them for a while and then
somehow we make decisions about what's
good and what's not in a way that's like
somewhat inscrutable
um
like
so i'm much more about and so we just
continue trading that process and
eventually we like reach the space of
you
know well yeah we just continue it
writing that process so i'm like very
much into the like because of this view
i think it's pretty reasonable to like
aim for ai systems they're just like
doing human-like reasoning but better
um or like approximating what you know
doing what a human could do in a year in
like a few minutes or something like
that that seems great to me
whereas if you on the other hand were
like no there's actually like deep
philosophical truths out there that
humans might never be able to access
then you're probably less enthusiastic
about that sort of plan and you want to
do
you want to build ai system some other
way
or maybe they're accessible
with the augmentation and time
um
how how does how does other minds
fit into this for you
so
like right there's
the human mind and then the space of all
that is good that it has access to with
augmentation which is what you call the
space of
that which is good
um it's
contingent and rooted on
the space of what the human mind
augmented has access to
um
how would you view
uh how does that fit in with animals and
also other species which may have their
own alignment problems on
planets
within our
cosmic endowment
that we might run into
is it just that they also have spaces
that are
defined as good as what they can access
through their own augmentation and then
there's no
way of reconciling
these two different ai alignment
projects
yeah i think basically yes
like you know if if i met uh like actual
ruthless maximizing paperclip uh
paperclip maximizer
it's not like i can argue it into
adopting human my my values
or anything even resembling them i don't
think it would be able to argue me into
accepting
you know turning my turning me into
paper clips
uh which is you know what it desires
and like
yeah that
that just seems like the description of
reality
um again a moral realist might say
something else but i've never really
understood that the flavor of moral
realism that would say something else
in that situation
with regards to the planet and industry
and how industry will be creating
increasingly capable ai systems could
you explain
what a unipolar scenario is and what a
multi-polar scenario is
yeah so
i'm not sure if i
recall exactly where these terms were
defined but a unipolar scenario
at least as i understand it
uh would be
a
situation in which
one entity
basically has determines the long run
feature of the earth
um
so like it's in you know more
colloquially it has taken over the world
you can also have like a time-bounded
version of it where it's like you know
unipolar for like
20 years and like this entity has like
all the power for those 20 years but
then like
you know maybe the entity is a human and
we haven't solved agent yet and then the
human dies uh so i'm like it was a
unipolar world for that that period of
time
um a multi-polar world is just you know
not that there
there is no like one entity that is said
to be in control of the world uh they're
just a lot of different
entities that have different goals
um and they're coexisting hopefully
cooperating
maybe not cooperating
it depends on the situation
which which do you think is more likely
to lead to beneficial outcomes with ai
so i think i don't really think about it
in these terms i think about it in like
you know there are these like kinds of
worlds that we could be in
and like some of them are unipolar and
some of them are multiple like very
different human polar roles and very
different multiple worlds
and so like like sorts of questions
it like the closest an analogous
question is something like
you know if you condition on unipolar
world
what's the probability that it's
beneficial
or that it's good if you condition on
multiple world what's the probability
that it's good and just like a super
complicated question that like i
wouldn't be able to explain my reasoning
for because it would involve me like
thinking about like 20 different worlds
and maybe not that many but like a bunch
of different worlds in my head
estimating their probability is doing
like a base rule
not a base
i guess kind of a base rule bayes rule
calculation
um
and then reporting the result
so
i think
maybe the
question i will answer instead
is like the most likely worlds in each
uh
in each of unipolar multiple
settings
and then like why how how good those
seem to me so i would say i think by
default i expect the world to be
multi-polar
uh
in that it doesn't seem like
anyone is
you know particular i don't think anyone
has particularly taken over the world
today any or any entity like not even
counting the us as a single entity it's
not like the has taken over the world
um
and
it does not seem to me like
the main way you could imagine
uh getting a unipolar world is like if
the first
the first um actor to build a powerful
enough ai system
that ai system just becomes really
really powerful and takes over the world
before anyone can deploy an ai system
even close uh
even close to it sorry that's not the
most likely one that's the one that
people most often talk about
um
and probably the one that other people
think is most likely
um
but yeah anyway so i
i see the multiple world as more likely
where we just have you know a bunch of
actors that are all pretty well
resourced that are all developing their
own own ai systems they like then like
sell
their ai systems or like the ability to
use their ai systems to other people
um and they're just like sort of similar
to
the human economy where you can just
like have
ai systems provide labor
at a fixed cost
and it just sort of looks similar to the
economy today where
people who control a lot of resources
can like instantiate a bunch of ai
systems
that help them maintain whatever it is
they want
uh and we retain remain in the
multi-polar world we have today
um
and that seems
decent
i think i like
for all that
our institutions are not looking great
at the current moment
there is still something to be said that
like
you know nuclear war didn't actually
happen
um
which can either update you towards
uh
our institutions are like
somewhat better than i than we thought
or it can update you to towards if we
had nuclear war we would have all died
and not been here to ask the question
i don't think that second one is all
that plausible my understanding is that
nuclear war is not that likely to wipe
out everyone
um or even
90 of people so i'm more i i lean
towards the first explanation
overall my guess is that like
you know this is the
the thing that has worked for the last
worked the thing that is like
generally led to an increase in
prosperity and like
or the world has clearly
improved on most metrics
over time
and like the system we've been using for
most of that time is like some sort of
multiple
people interact with each other and keep
each other in check and like
uh
like cooperate with each other because
they have to and so on
um and like in the modern world we use
like
and and not just the modern world we use
things like regulations and laws and so
on uh
to to enforce this
and like you know
the system's got some history behind it
so i i'm like more inclined to trust it
uh so i overall feel
okay about
uh this world
you know assuming we solve the alignment
problem that's
we'll ignore the alignment problem for
now
uh for a unipolar world
i think
probably i
i find it more likely that
there will just be a lot of
returns to
um scale so like the just you'll get a
lot of efficiency from centralizing
uh more and more
in the same way that like
it's just really nice to have a single
standard rather than have 15 different
standards
like it sure would be nice it sure would
have been nice if like when i moved to
the uk i could have just used all of my
old
old um chargers without having to buy
adapters
but no all the outlets are different
right like there's there's there's
benefits to standardization and
um
centralization of power
and it
seems to me like there's been more and
more of that
over time
maybe it's not obvious i look i'm yeah i
don't know very much history
um
but
if
so so it seems like you could get
even more centralization in the future
uh in order to capture the efficiency
benefits and then you might have a
global government that could reasonably
be said to be just a uni like the entity
that controls the world
um and that would then be a unipolar
outcome
uh it's not a unipolar outcome in which
the thing in charge of the world is an
ai system but it isn't it is a unipolar
outcome
and
i think i
i feel
wary of this
but i don't like having a single point
of failure
um i don't like
it when like there's a when when like i
or like i really like the
i really like it when people are allowed
to like you know advocate for their own
interests
um
which you know isn't necessarily not
happening here right there this could be
a global democracy
uh
but but still it seems like you know
it's a very lim it like
the libertarian
intuition of like markets are good
generally tends to suggest against
centralization and i like do buy that
intuition
uh but this could also just be a
like status quo bias where i'm like i
know the world i can very easily see the
um
the problems in in the world that we're
not actually in at the moment
uh and i don't want it to change
so i don't know i don't have
super strong opinions there it's very
plausible to me that like that world is
better because then you can like
um control
dangerous technologies much much better
like if there just are
technologies that are sufficiently
dangerous and destructive that they
would
destroy
they would lead to extinction then maybe
i'm more inclined
to favor a unipolar outcome
i would like to ask you about deep mind
and maybe another question before we we
wrap up
um
so
what is it that the that the safety team
at deepmind is is up to
no one thing
um the safety team at deepmind is like
reasonably large and there's just a
bunch of projects going on
uh i've been doing a bunch of inner
alignment stuff uh most recently i've
been
uh trying to come up with more
examples that are you know in actual
systems rather than hypotheticals
i've also been doing a bunch of
conceptual work of just like trying to
make our arguments clearer and more
conceptually precise
a large smattering of stuff
um not
all that related to each other except
them as much as it's all about ai
alignment as a final question here rohan
i'm
interested in your your your core
uh your core at the center of all this
so you know
what's the most important thing to you
right now like in so far as
ai alignment
maybe
the one thing that
most largely impacts the future of life
ah
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like if you just look at the universe
right now and you're like these are the
most important things
i think
for
things that i impact
uh
you know
more granul like more granular than just
make ai go well
i think for me it's probably like
making better arguments and more
convincing arguments
um
currently
this will probably change in the future
partially because i hope to succeed at
this goal and then it won't be as
important
um
but i feel like
uh
right now
especially with the like advent of these
like large
large neural nets and more people like
seeing a path to agi
i think it is
much more possible
to make arguments that would be
convincing to ml researchers as well
um as well as like the you know
philosophically oriented people who make
up the ai safety community
and they think that just feels like the
most
useful thing i can do at the moment
in terms of the world in general
i feel like it is
something like the attitudes of
consequential people
two words
um
well long-termism in general but maybe
risks in particular
where
and like importantly like i do feel like
it is more like
i i care primarily about
you know the people who are actually
making decisions that impact the future
maybe they are
taking into account
the future
maybe they're like
it would be nice to care about the
future
but
the
realities of politics mean that i can't
do that or else i will be lose my job
but my guess is that they're mostly just
not thinking about the future
and like that seems
if you're talking about the future
of life
that seems
like the most
that seems pretty important to change
how do you see doing that
when
um many of these people don't have the
as sam harris put it the science fiction
geek gene
is what he he called when he was on this
podcast he's like all you know the long
termists
who are all like we're going to build
agi and then
create these radically
different futures
um
like many of these people may just
mostly care about their children
and their grandchildren like that may be
the human
tendency
do we actually advocate for any actions
that would not impact their
grandchildren
it depends on your timelines right
fair enough
but like most of the time the arguments
i see people giving for any preferred
policy proposal of theirs
or act just like almost any action
whatsoever
it seems to like be a thing that would
have a like noticeable effect on
people's lives in the next
100 years
so like in that sense grandchildren
should be enough
okay so then long-term ism is doesn't
matter
well i
i mean i don't for getting the action
done
oh possibly
like um i still think they're not
thinking about the future
i think it's more of a like
like i don't know if i had to take my
best guess at it
with like
noting the fact that i am just a random
person who is not an at all an expert in
these things because why would i be
and yes listeners noting that lucas has
just asked me this question uh because
it sounds interesting and not because i
am
at all qualified to answer it
it seems to me like the more likely
explanation is that like
there are just
always a gazillion things to do there's
always like
you know
20 bills to be picked off the sidewalk
uh but like their value is only twenty
dollars they're not like two billion
dollars
and like
everyone is just constantly being told
to pick up all the 20 bills
and as a result they like
are cons
they are in a perpetual state of like
having to say no to stuff
and doing only the stuff that seems like
uh most urgent and and like maybe also
important and so like most of our
institutions tend to be in them in a
very reactive mindset as a result not
because they don't care
but just because that's the thing that
they're incentivized to do is to like
respond to the urgent stuff
and so getting policy makers to care
about the future whether that even just
includes children and grandchildren not
the next
10 billion years
would be
sufficient in your view
it might be it seems plausible i mean i
don't know that that's the approach i
would take i just i think i'm more just
saying like
i'm not sure that you even need to
convince them to care about the future i
think
actually it's possible that like what's
needed is
like people who have the space to bother
thinking about it
um which like you know
i get paid to think about the future if
i didn't get paid to think about the
future i would not be here on this
podcast because i would not be smart i
would not have enough knowledge to
uh to be worth talking you talking to
um
and
you know i don't i think there are just
not very many people who can be paid to
think about the future
and like the vast majority of them are
in there maybe i don't know about the
vast majority but a lot of them are in
our community
and very few of them are in politics and
politics generally seems to anti-select
for
people who can think about the future
and i don't have a solution here
but that is the problem as i see it
and i would want the salut
if i were designing a solution i would
be trying to attack that problem
that would be one of the most important
things
uh yeah probably yeah i think on my view
yes
all right um
so
as we wrap up here is there anything
else you'd like to add or any parting
thoughts for
the audience
yeah um
i have been giving all these disclaimers
during the podcast too but i'm sure i
missed them in some places but like i
just want to know it lucas has asked me
a lot of questions
that are not things i usually think
about and i just gave off the cuff
answers
if you asked me them again like two
weeks from now
i think for many of them i might
actually just say something different so
don't take them too seriously
and treat like the alignment ones i
think you can take those reasonably
seriously but the things that were less
about that
you know take them as like
some guy's opinion man
some guy's opinion man
yeah
exactly
okay uh well uh thank you so much for
coming on the podcast rohan it's always
a a real pleasure to to speak with you
you're a
bastion of knowledge and
wisdom and ai alignment and uh yeah
thanks for all the work you do yeah
thanks so much for having me again this
is this was fun to record
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Mc with Hx Stomp vs Stomp XL
Line 6 have announced HX stomp XL.
There probably quite a few people who currently use an MS6/8 with an HX Stomp.
I can see why stomp xl is good, it has 8 switches and allows you to keep the switches and programming integrated within the hx stomp system rather than an external midi controller, 2 power supplies, learning 2 systems to program and carrying 2 devices and using extra footprint.
But what are the advanced advantages and capabilities of ms6/8 used with an hx stomp vs hx stomp xl?
Do I stick with hx stomp and ms or get the stomp xl?
I guess this is a chance for MS to highlight how their product offers things to users of hx stomp that the hx stomp xl doesn’t.
On other forums a good case is being made for why hx stomp xl is all you need.
Which is fair enough and people are free to choose what works best for them, but I’m pondering which way to go and if their are definite things MS with stomp offers that I would miss out on by just using stomp xl.
I have the Stomp and MC6. I dont think I would dump that set up for the Stomp XL. In my opinion the midi command center and midi are clunky on the stomp. The MC6 is evolving every day it seems with updates. Just the waveform generator and sequencer on the MC6 alone are reason enough for me to keep my MC6 / Stomp set up. I think if you weigh the pros and cons the pros far outweigh the cons.
Also I have 6 other midi devices that I use with the MC6. I wouldnt even want to go through the hassle of trying to configure all that with the stomps command center. The MorningStar editor is much better for my needs. Just my opinion.
Thanks for your reply I’m interested to hear people’s views.
Forgive me I don’t know anything about the waveform generator and sequencer, I will have to read up on it.
With the stomp in what ways do you use waveform generator and sequencer, what for and what’s the end result… im intrigued.
And yes certainly I can see with a larger set up the MS comes into its own.
I wonder If when the Stomp XL is released whether we will see any new tweaks to the command center and midi control, new options and things it allows it to be used for, im guessing not though.
The biggest thing for me is multiple functions on one footswitch. Sure the XL has 8 switches, but they can only really do one thing each. Meanwhile with midi I can have my MC3 do 9 different functions on 3 switches because of release/longpress/doubletap. That’s half the footprint of the XL add on and more functionality. Plus I don’t need any weird converter boxes or cables with the MC3 to talk to my other midi pedals either, so it saves money that way as well. Not saying the XL is a bad idea per-se, but with midi you get so much more utility per switch.
Thanks for your reply. Yes it great being able to do many things on one footswitch press.
Umm Stomp switches Only really do one thing each… I can hear line 6 advocates saying something like this… Mind you hx stomp switches allows 6 x instant commands, snapshots, effects bypass, bypass assign, parameter control, controller assign, command center control, tempo, midi cc, cc toggle, bank prog change, note on, mmc, qwerty hotkeys, expression control, looper commands…
I do wonder if there will be any new features in hx stomp xl’s switches midi functionality?
I would say that if you’re looking at the stomp as your all-in-one solution for a pedalboard with maybe an fx loop, then yeah, the XL makes a lot of sense. I personally use a Boss GT-1000core into a HX Stomp. Both are controlled by the MC8. I hit one switch and change presets on both devices, I can set up banks on the MC8 for a single preset that controls individual blocks in both of the modelers. In addition I use the MC8 to control a program called AnyTune on my computer so I can start / stop / rewind / change songs as I go through my set list for practicing. I rarely need to take my hands off of my guitar thanks to the MC8. I’m not sure I could do all of that with the XL alone.
In my opinion, if someone plans to use the XL as an all-in-one multi-effects in order to do everything, then it makes more sense to get it instead of an HX Stomp + a MIDI controller. The XL wouldn’t require any MIDI programming, MID cables and any dedicated power source. Also, it’s footswitches are touch sensitive and color coded, which really helps with the HX interface and looks really nice. In fact, the XL would be massively compelling if Line 6 had increased the DSP power in this unit, but well… it is what it is.
Having that said, I think that a rig that consists just in a MC8 paired with a regular HX Stomp is still more powerfull than just the XL.
In my case, I’ve already have a do-it-all rig consisting of a MC8 + HX Stomp + Dunlop DVP4 expression pedal, and I’ve configured a bank on my MC8 so I can have:
Page 1:
A: Preset Down
B: Snapshot 1
C: Snapshot 2
D: Snapshot 3
E: Preset Up
F: Tap Tempo
G: FS4 (release) / Enter Looper: Toggle page + engage the looper mode on the MC8 (long press).
H: FS5 (release) / Tuner (long press)
Page 2:
A: Stop
B: Play
C: Record
D: Overdub
E: Snapshot Up
F: Snapshot Down
G: Exit Looper: Toggle page + disengage the looper mode on the MC8 (long press).
H: Undo / Redo
I run my HX Stomp always on Stomp Mode, with the FS1, FS2 and FS3 assigned to inumerous parameters and blocks, and use the expression pedal to have some additional fun.
That way I can use the Stomp Mode with all 5 footswiches available plus an expression pedal, and always having direct access to all 3 snapshots, direct access to scrolling presets up and down, plus dedicated tap tempo and tuner switches. I even have full access to an eventual looper block that I may add to my effects chain, and with 5 dedicated switches for stop, play, record, overdub and undo/redo functions.
Everything at the same time, without having to change modes or views on the HX Stomp.
So, as you can see, it really is much more powerfull than the XL, but it’s much bigger and much more expensive.
If I had the chance to choose between the XL and this MC8+HX Stomp combo back in the day, I think I would have got the XL, just for the simplicity and the price.
But, of course: as soon as you start to add other MIDI capable pedals to the pedalboard, then the XL will inevitably fall short and the MC8+HX Stomp combo will be vastly superior.
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The xl and regular stomp have the same dsp according to what I’ve read so it can’t do anything a mc 8 and regular stomp can’t.
That’s all I know cause that’s when I stopped reading about it.
What if… dare I say it… one gets an HXSxl, AND an MC8?!!
Crazy Generous!
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Happy Thanksgiving Early
Im heading south to see my folks for Thanksgiving so im not sure how much computer time I will get soooo
Everybody have a good day and weekend and eat WAY TOO MUCH! :)
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Gnomes Away
Sending Gnomes off to help Alisa, Allison and Jody to further help with birthday stuff and generaly whatever needs to be done. Hopefully they wont eat all your munchies and drink all your beer while they are there.
Sending some extra Gnomes off to help Alisa. Gnomes are considered good luck by some so hopefully they will help in the back ground, quietly doing this and that and helping with the healing proccess.
Hope you all had a good day
Happy Birthday Zoe!
Ok, so her birthday isnt until tomorrow but I wont have computer access tomorrow so I figured I would get it in today.
To my favorite niece (well, shes my only neice)
Have a good one!
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Why cant I just be happy with the standard Dell Alienware laptop? Why did I have to click on the costomizable button and choose all the high end options?? Why did I look at the 5K price tag!! WHY! WHY!!
Oooooh! I want one sooooo bad!!
New goal. Zero out my credit card (which has very little on it at the moment) and buy me a souped up gaming laptop!
I’m finally getting back into the swing of the daily grind after spending 4 days at Origins game fair. What a blast! I had the basic registration as well as a ribbon to get me into the board game room. I managed to cram a LOT of gaming in the time I was at convention. Between spending a lot of time playing the demos at the Mayfair booth or checking out games in the board game room, it was a weekend of eating, sleeping and gaming
The highlights of my stay are
1. Finally won a game of Railroad Tycoon against 2 people I have played a lot with and both of them are real good at it :)
2. Collected a series of ribbons from the Mayfair booth. The ribbons they where passing out where based on the resources gathered in the Catan games and you had to play certain games at the Mayfair booth (play for free :) to earn the different ribbons. First you get a grain, sheep, wood, clay and stone ribbon to earn the Champion of Catan ribbon. This level enters you in a drawing for a game prize, gets you a 50% coupon for almost any Mayfair game and also I got a promotional Catan Geographies map only available at Origins and Gencon.
I then needed to play 3 more games to ear coins, paper and another that isn’t coming to mind to earn the Defender of Catan ribbon. This ribbon entered me a second time in the prize drawings and also got me a second different Catan Geographies promo map.
I am now wishing I kept a log of all the games I played. I’m thinking it was close to 15 to 20 different games for the entire week.
Of course, mix in all this game playing with lots of great people and lots of good food.
A god time was had by all. (Or at least by me :)
Vacation Time
Aaaaahh! Spent 4 days NC to visit my parents. Got back to work on Tuesday. Worked Wednesday. Leave tomorrow to head to Columbus Ohio for a game convention named Origins. Life is good at the moment
Next week is gonna be rough. I will actualy have to work a full 5 days in a row.
Slipping Past the Work Filter
For quite a while (since St Patties Day I think) work has filtered live journal.
On a whim, I decided to give it a shot since I have a newer computer at my desk now.
Here I am. I will now be able to check more then once a blue moom and see what you all have been up too.
Yea, yea ... I could check it more at home but that would bite into my game time :)
Happy St Patrick's Day!
Not to be outdone by the Scots, in the weeks that followed, British scientists dug to a depth of 20 meters, and shortly after, headlines in the UK newspapers read: "British archaeologists have found traces of 200-year-old copper wire and have concluded that their ancestors already had a high-tech communications network a hundred years earlier than the Scots."
One week later, "The Kerryman," a southwest Irish newsletter, reported the following: "After digging as deep as 30 meters in peat bog near Tralee, Danny McCole, a self taught archeologist, reported that he found absolutely nothing. Paddy has therefore concluded that 300 years ago Ireland had already gone wireless."
Happy St Patrick's Day!
Prezcon 2009
Last weekend I was able to go to Prezcon. A large local board gaming convention in Charlottsville VA
It was a blast. A friend and I arrived there at around 10:00 am on Thursday and we jumped right into gaming. By the time we took a break, it was 9:00 pm and we had not even checked into our room yet. (Fortunately the third person sharing the room had already checked us in. We just needed to grab some keys)
(could not figure out how to link somebody else's photo stream so here is the link)
This was nothing but board gaming, starting at around 10:00 every day and going well into the morning hours of the next day
The games I played (some of them more then once) are listed below. I'm also including a link to one of my friends Flickr site cause he was wandering around with a camera in hand, snapping photos.
My games list
You are a NASCAR driver trying to beat your competitors
*Battlestar Galactica
Its the humans against the Cylons. Can the humans jump the ship before their resources run out or will the Cylons take over the ship before the jump happens
A card game where you use the cards in hand to build your deck and eventually buy more victory points then everybody else
*Chicago Express
You are a rail stock holder who is trying to build rails and improve them so you earn more then your competitors
*Steel Driver
Another rail game with the above type of play (but different :)
Will the village you build be better then the others?
*Tiners Trail
Your a miner/prospector who tries to outbid and out mine the others.
*Snow Tails
Your speeding down a dog sled course. Will you swoosh and whoosh to victory or end up smacking into a wall or hugging a tree?
Your bidding on a bag of cats. Lets hope there are no bad cats or nasty dogs in that bag!
*Tiki Topple
Living on the islands and building totem poles can be fun. If you can make sure your sections of the pole are on top, you get the fame and fortune that go with it
You are building hotels and buying stock in the hopes that mergers over time will shoot you up to the top
Three pots of potions brewing but they can only hold so much. Even worse, somebody may spike a pot with a poison. If you add to a pot and spill it, you MUST empty the pot. Happy mixing
*Formula Motor Racing.
You are again a race car driver trying to beat out the other teams to the finish line
*Robo Rally
Mr Roboto calling! Can you program your robot to out maneuver the others through the factory obstacles and get to the flags first? Watch out for those lasers and don't fall into a pit
*Monster Menace Across America
ROOOOAAAAR! The monsters are invading America and YOU are one of them. A real monster smack down to see who is the top mutant.
*Roll Through the Ages
You juggle people, food and goods to build more towns, research improvements and build wonders. (A quick dice driven game that is very simple to learn and play)
*Roads and Boats
You start out with 3 donkeys, some wood and some stone. From there you build up your town in the hopes of eventually mining gold, minting coin and producing stock. Watch out where you leave your resources laying about, other towns can steal them
(I only played 2 games on Saturday because this is also when the convention auction was held and also because Roads and Boats ended up being a 7 hour game)
*Robo Rally
I manage to get into the semi finals so ended up playing this again and got quickly squashed by my competitors
*Little Italy
You are driving through the street of Italy picking up points of the dice rolls are in your favor
We left the Con at about 1:30 on Sunday.
Got home at around 5:00
A good time was had by all
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15 Actresses Who Got Pregnant On Screen
Ever come out of a movie house, thinking “Wow! She was such a great actress. She nailed that action scene!” and afterward end up Googling the actress’ name, bio, other films? Then you also chance upon the ‘latest news’ on this actress and your jaws drop because…she was actually pregnant while filming?! So you end up scrolling through BuzzFeed or Vulture, stalking different actress’ names- those who were actually pregnant while filming, but the film or show just didn’t show it! And there you sit thinking: how could I have missed that? And wow- that is an unbelievable and endlessly amusing practice in the film industry.
So how does the industry do it? If actresses got pregnant in real life, sometimes the actresses either take a leave, and so their characters won’t appear on screen for a while; or, the show just writes a storyline that makes them end up getting pregnant in-show too. But for some shows that just can’t fit a pregnancy into a storyline and their characters need to appear in the show for the whole season, they do all kinds of things to try and hide that ever-growing belly bump. Here are 15 actors who got pregnant on screen (and we just didn’t know it yet)!
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15 January Jones
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January Jones’ character on Mad Men, Betty Draper was a woman who very much cared about her image and body figure. January on the other hand, well, didn’t particularly care about hiding her baby bump- which would be a problem for the writers if her character was not supposed to get pregnant at that point in the show. So, in true creative fashion, the writers wrote in a weight gain storyline for Jones in order to hide her pregnancy!
So while working while pregnant, January Jones wore a lot of prosthetics to accentuate her weight gain. So if we are all wondering why Betty Draper suddenly became heavier in season 5- there’s our answer. In a report to Hollywood Reporter, Jones claimed that it would have been ‘comical’ if they tried to hide the bump, or get the character pregnant too. It looks like the weight gain technique worked well for the character, as it became an “emotionally grueling arc” for Betty.
14 Gal Gadot
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We may all be in for a shock – but it is true! In the Wonder Woman re-shoots, Israeli actress Gal Gadot was already five months pregnant, which would not make sense for our dear Diana of course. With lots of action sequences, moving around, fighting, and wearing some not-so-full body armor, the bump is sure to peek around once in a while, and audiences would notice! And a five-month pregnant belly won’t really be just a tiny bump that can be magically hidden by the metal armor as well since the bump was already swelled and showing. So what did Wonder Woman’s production team do? Well, let’s say thank God for technology!
The production team “wrapped her baby bump in green fabric”, which then would serve as a mini green screen! Imagine, some action scenes would contain Gal’s pregnant belly- but we’d never know as they would have been digitally altered! Moreover, her belly was also slimmed down during pre-production.
13 Cobie Smulders
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Cobie Smulders’ Robin Scherbatsky in our beloved show How I Met Your Mother is known as someone who expressed that she really was not one for children. This would be a conflict with Cobie who, in real life, was very much pregnant with her child! So how did ‘HIMYM’ deal with it? Well, there was the classic ‘hide the bump behind clothes and things’ practice!
In an episode of season 4, we can clearly see that Robin is wrapped up in a ridiculous amount of clothing- a multi-colored scarf and a light blue coat on top of her very black shirt (black is a good color to hide bumps, indeed)! In another episode, however (which also involved a heavily pregnant Alyson Hannigan), we see her sitting down in the pub, and though it is not too obvious, there’s a little bump peeking just on her lower belly!
12 Alyson Hannigan
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Alyson Hannigan was also a star on the show How I Met Your Mother, and was pregnant almost the same time as Cobie was! But for character Lily, however, who wasn’t as opposed to children as Robin was, the HIMYM production and writing team had much more fun and creative ways to deal with her pregnancy! From basketballs to globes to eating contests, there were increasingly ironic and ridiculous situations to hide the bump!
In one episode, Alyson’s pregnant belly was hidden behind a rack of basketballs, or “intentionally echoed” by a globe she was standing behind. But perhaps one of the best ways they ‘hid’ the pregnancy was by making Lily win an eating contest! This means of course that her belly would be humongous (and decidedly pregnant looking) – but the show spun it in a way that was hilarious!
11 Courtney Cox
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We all know that Courtney Cox’s character Monica Geller on Friends was unable to conceive. This is why later on Monica and Chandler (played by Matthew Perry) proceeded to adopt babies when they wanted their family to grow. But what may be unbeknownst to some viewers is that for a good part of the final season of Friends, Courtney Cox was pregnant in real life! So in an attempt to hide her baby bump, producers and costumers had to find a way around it.
Since Monica was a central character to the show, they can’t just send her off or cut down the episodes of the season. So their solution? Hide her behind copious amounts of loose clothing! There was a lot of black clothing thrown in there too. But if we look closely at some episodes, like a scene in the season finale, we can still see a little bit of the bump in her belly!
10 Ellen Pompeo
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Though we know that Ellen Pompeo’s Meredith Grey and her love interest and husband Derek Shepherd (played by Patrick Dempsey) will have three children (one of which was adopted) on the show Grey’s Anatomy, sometimes an actress’ pregnancy just doesn’t add up to a storyline in a particular point in time in the season’s plot. And so, the writers had to hide Ellen’s baby bump with a creative twist instead!
In the Grey’s Anatomy season in 2009, one of the storylines included Meredith undergoing an operation which involved her giving part of her liver away. This meant that there will be some away time for Meredith as she recovers- and Ellen in real life, as she would start her maternity leave! Oh, and thank goodness those hospital scrubs were naturally loose too because they did quite a swell job hiding her bulging pregnant belly!
9 Julia Roberts
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When Julia Roberts was filming Ocean’s Twelve in 2004, where she plays the character Tess Ocean (wife of George Clooney’s Danny Ocean), she was actually very much pregnant. But her character Tess? Not so much. So, in order to hide the swelling baby bump, the production and writing team of Ocean’s Twelve came up with a very clever way to deal with it!
Described as “going meta”, the story included a portion where Tess was to play an actress called “Julia Roberts” who ‘happened to be pregnant’ at the time! What! That’s crazy clever and hilarious. So, in order to ‘play Julia’ the character, Tess had to ‘wear some padding’ so as to look pregnant. To some viewers that would make sense, but to those in the know, well, they would know that took no padding effort at all because Julia was preggers for real!
8 Helena Bonham-Carter
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What with all the singing and shaving beards and murdering, Helen Bonham-Carter’s belly surely is not one would pay attention to in the film Sweeney Todd. And after all, she was wearing a corset, a normal thing to wear in that era, plus her figure looked great despite her clothing being a bit ragged and torn in some places. But unbeknownst to many, the murderous pie-baker was actually pregnant! Well, Helena was, but her character was not.
So how did the costume team do it? Well, her corset was enough of a tool to be able to hide her bump. But the filming crew had to go in and help too; they shot scenes out of sequence, which meant they had to film Helena’s scenes when her pregnant belly was not too obvious yet. Unfortunately for Helena, she was “often nauseous” while filming on-set.
7 Kerry Washington
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The way the show Scandal tried to hide Kerry Washington’s pregnancy is probably one of the most hilarious and meme-worthy ways a show could try to hide a pregnancy- and only because they “tried every trick in the book”! Kerry’s character, Olivia Pope, was known to be quite the fashionable power woman, so one would think that it would give them a hard time to fix her wardrobe (we can’t see a not-pregnant Olivia in maternity clothes!). But the belly did not stop them!
In the show, we had numerous moments of Olivia wearing “structured, trapeze jackets”, or Olivia with her back to the camera, or Olivia with only her upper body being shown. There were also many scenes with Olivia holding huge purses, or Olivia’s belly coincidentally being hidden by a lamp, or Olivia’s midriff being strategically concealed by a knee! Yes, that’s right, a strategically placed knee. Kudos to team Scandal for their efforts!
6 Zooey Deschanel
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Our beloved quirky girl Zooey Deschanel is New Girl Jess, and while Zooey was pregnant in real life, sadly her character Jess was not. So, team New Girl had to think of a clever way (perhaps more clever than team HIMYM and Scandal?) to make sure the baby bump will not be noticed on the show. And while their midriff concealing tricks might not be as, er, rigorous as team Scandal, or as ironic and tongue-in-cheek as HIMYM and Mad Men, their solution was still quite good.
The fifth season was filmed immediately after season four’s end, so as to capture Zooey while her belly still wasn’t so huge. Then they’ve had Jess fall down some stairs (oh, she’s stuck in bed!), and then have her on jury duty, which means she’d either be sitting inside a nice, strategic jury box which could hide her midsection, or ‘sequestered in a hotel’ because the trial was a bit lengthy. Then Megan Fox came in so as to “shake things up” while Zooey was on leave.
5 Lisa Kudrow
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Lisa Kudrow was pregnant in real life during the 4th season of Friends, and unlike her co-star Courtney Cox (whose Monica was unable to have children with Chandler), they did not have to hide her pregnant belly with large amounts of layered clothing or camera angles or things to carry. What they did was write the pregnancy into the storyline- and that arc proved to be one of the most heart-warming, funniest, and iconic arcs of the show!
Instead of making Phoebe pregnant with her own child, which the writers decided would not quite do for the story, they made her a surrogate for her half-brother instead! So in the show, it was made to appear that Phoebe was pregnant with triplets (her belly was huge), and emphasized her bump even more. Though called ‘unusual’ and often noted that the move was ‘not originally planned’, audiences loved the way the story went.
4 Ginnifer Goodwin
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Once Upon A Time co-stars, Ginnifer Goodwin and Josh Dallas are just absolutely adorable on-screen, and even more adorable in real life! The husband and wife were actually expecting a kid when they were filming ‘OUAT’ around 2014. Magical and exciting, this is a sure source of joy for the couple; but for the show, it’s a little bit of a speed bump when it comes to shooting scenes. So how did they go around her very pregnant belly?
Good thing that Ginnifer plays two characters on the show – Mary Margaret and Snow White – so it was easier for the production team to write and shoot Mary as pregnant. But Snow White can’t be; so instead, they opted for extremely large and long coats and dresses for our princess! While in the Enchanted Forest as Snow White we can’t see the huge abdomen, but in Storybrooke, it’s all for the world to see.
3 Gillian Anderson
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X-files star Gillian Anderson had announced her pregnancy while the show had ended filming its season 1, and while many would simply note that the way they handled it was sorta obvious, there was more to it behind the scenes. So what did they do, anyway? Well besides the usual hiding behind things, wearing huge loose clothes, and shooting at strategic angles, they had Scully abducted by aliens!
Thought it made sense in-show (X-files was a science fiction show after all), the writers debated a while when it comes to dealing with Gillian’s character. Wondering if they could still re-cast her, and how to shoot her, they ended up throwing caution to the wind and getting her abducted! This meant she could lie down in bed comatose a few episodes later, and get experimented on, which made use of her baby bump. Of course, this decision ended up growing a whole new mythology for many seasons in the show- a good decision on their part, no doubt!
2 Elizabeth Banks
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Thankfully Elizabeth Banks starred in a comedy show – 30 Rock – when she was pregnant, because then they did not have to do with various tricks in the book such as strategic camera angling, or writing a pregnancy storyline, or writing a storyline that needed her to go away. What they did do, however, was use various large objects for her to hold in order to cover up her belly; and this being a comedy show, the objects were getting more and more ridiculous!
Called a ‘parody of the hidden pregnancy trope’ the writers of 30 Rock made sure to make Banks’ hidden pregnancy as ironic as possible. This was their way to make fun of the whole thing of hiding pregnancies behind chairs or grocery bags- so, they had her character Avery Jessup hold various items. Most notable was when she was holding a large ham with a hat on top of it!
1 Scarlett Johansson
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Action babe Scarlett Johansson is best known as Black Widow in the Marvel franchise films The Avengers, and with that, she was also known to don a black, skin-tight catsuit in order to go on spying and saving the world from aliens or robots. So if our girl got pregnant on screen, well, that would not do for action sequences, and we’d most definitely notice, right?! Well, it seems like we haven’t because she was very much pregnant while filming Avengers: Age of Ultron!
In an interview with E! News, Johansson explained how she “did as much as she could do” and the crew just “filled in the blanks” afterward. This meant that when she couldn’t do a scene, one of her body doubles would take her place, their faces mapped with dots. This would give way for the visual-effects team to graft ScarJo’s face onto their bodies! Amazing right?
Sources: HelloGiggles, CelebConnoissare, EntertainmentDaily, TheChive, PopCrush
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Covid: The Question of Immunity From Infection
Over and over and over again, I’ve been told we should expect immunity from infection to fade Real Soon Now, or that immunity isn’t that strong.
With several recent papers and the inevitable media misinterpretations of them, it’s time to take a close look at the findings.
This was originally part of the 1/21 update, but I’ve split it off so that it can be linked back to as needed, and to avoid cluttering up the weekly update.
Note that this post is not looking at any new strains that might provide immune escape. It’s studying infections during a period when such strains were not a substantial issue. This is distinct from concerns about strains with immune escape characteristics.
First up is this paper:
From this, of course, media headlines were things like “immunity only lasts five months,” but let’s ignore that and keep looking at the data, and see what the study actually says.
RESULTS SECTION:
Bottom line infection rates:
Finally:
I’ll pause here before I read the discussion section.
What I am seeing is that in probable infections, meaning infections that were serious enough and real enough to get confirmed, we see a 99% reduction, a large enough reduction that error in the original antibody/PCR tests might well account for either or both of the remaining two (2) cases.
Even looking at only symptomatic infections, we still get a 95% reduction.
Whereas if we only look at ‘there was a test that came back positive on people getting periodically tested, but without requiring any symptoms or verification’ we only get an 83% reduction.
Naturally, the public-facing articles all seem to quote the 83%, and ignore the 95% and 99%.
I’d also note that they nowhere attempt to control for the two most obvious differences between the two samples, which are:
1. The antibody positive sample knows they are antibody positive, and thus likely took fewer precautions across the board than they would have otherwise.
2. The antibody positive sample are the people w
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Arguments for and against gradual change
Essentially all solutions in life are conditional: you apply them in the right context, in the right conditions to achieve a good outcome. Obviously banging a hammer on your desk
does probably no good, while banging a hammer on a nail you want to use to hang that nice painting on the wall may be a great idea :)
I want to talk about gradual change, and it doesn't apply all the time. Sometimes if you are certain enough of an outcome and things are urgent gradual change is unnecessary and even harmful.
I think the context in which gradual change is great is when there is significant conflict and controversy. Or when discussions and ideas are turning unstable (violently swinging
between extremes), when there is uncertainty.
I'd say this applies to a lot of current politics and technology (as of 2025). There is talk of radical change, often in opposing directions. This can risk fracturing and destabilizing societies, compromising the basis that has been carefully built upon for decades or centuries.
Here are some closely related arguments for (and against) gradual change:
(1) (For) If a lot of something is good, usually a little of something is good too.
Effects being linear is a pretty reasonable default assumption unless there are reasons for otherwise. And if not linear, usually approximately monotonic holds. Which is to say, usually a little medicine is better than no medicine (in case a large dose is good), a little salt is better than no salt (in the case a lot of salt is good), and so on.
So there's usually no harm, compared to the baseline, of trying a little change. If said change has the desired positive effect, do more of it, repeatedly, until you're doing it enough.
An example of a non-monotonic system to change might be a program. People don't change programs by changing single characters and recompiling. You need a minimum viable change. A too small change (say if you were restricted to only be able to change a few characters of a source code each d
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How useful would alien alignment research be?
Imagine aliens on a distant world. They have values very different to humans. However, they also have complicated values, and don't exactly know their own values.
Imagine these aliens are doing well at AI alignment. They are just about to boot up a friendly (to them) superintelligence.
Now imagine we get to see all their source code and research notes. How helpful would this be for humans solving alignment?
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Rigging is a form of wireheading
I've now posted my major posts on rigging and influence, with what I feel are clear and illustrative examples. But, in all the excitement of writing out maths, I haven't made it clear to everyone why they should care about rigging a learning process in the first place.
And that reason is simple:
* Rigging is a form of wireheading that value-learning AIs are particularly vulnerable to. It occurs when there is a causal arrow drawn from the AI to the process they are 'learning' about.
For example, assume there is a bot in charge of a forum, and it is rewarded for granting access to the secret parts of the forum to users who have the right to access them. This 'right to access' is checked by whether the user knows a password (which is 'Fidelio', obviously).
As a causal graph, for a given user X, this is:
The green node is the bot's action node, the orange one is the data the bot is trying to learn. In this setup, the bot's task is essentially brainless: it simply checks whether user X has given the right password, then grants them access.
The bot could also have the power to be proactive: searching out users and getting them to give it the password. This can be encoded as the AI asking for users to supply the password:
Up till now, the learning process remains uninfluenceable and unriggable. But note that we've added the ability for the bot to communicate with the users. It could use that ability to get them to type in the password, as above. But it could also tell the user directly what the password is.
Now the orange node that the bot is learning about is causal descendant of the bot's actions (red arrow). To maximise its reward, the bot should tell every user the password, and then grant them access.
This is essentially the definition of a riggable learning process: something that seemed to be a fact about the world that the agent was learning about, but, when we drew in all the causal arrows, it turns out that fact was subject to manipulation by the agent.
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On the Crisis at Silicon Valley Bank
Many have already written about the events of the past week’s crisis.
If you want the basics of what happened, you have many options.
Your best bet, if available to you, is that this is Matt Levine’s wheelhouse. He did not disappoint, offering at least (1) (2) (3) (4) posts on the subject.
Then read Patrick McKenzie if you want the nuts and bolts of the underlying systems spelled out in plainer language and more detail, without judgment, along with the basics of what a responsible individual should do now, things he is better at explaining than I am.
Then read someone like Scott Sumner here if you need to get the necessary counterpoints on moral hazard.
I will do my best to cover all the necessary background in the What Happened section, to bring you up to speed. What I am not trying to do is duplicate Levine’s work. I am also going to skip the explainers of things like ‘what is a bank run,’ since they are well-covered by many others – choose one of these ungated linked summaries, or better yet Matt Levine, to read first if you need that level of info.
Instead, I am asking the questions, and looking at the things, that I found most interesting, or most important for understanding the world going forward.
What did I find most interesting? Here are some of my top questions.
1. What exactly would have happened without an intervention?
2. What changes for banking in the age of instant electronic banking and social networks?
3. How much money have our banks lost exactly? What might happen anyway?
4. How much does talk of ‘bailout’ and laws we’ve passed constrain potential future interventions if something else threatens to go wrong? Ut oh.
5. Is Hold to Maturity accounting utter bullshit and a main suspect here? Yes.
6. What should depositing businesses be responsible for?
7. What stories are people telling about what happened, and why?
8. How do we deal with all the problems of moral hazard? What is enough?
9. More generally, what the hell do we do abou
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[CLS]Tuesday, December 15, 2015
New Federal Law Requires Owners To Register Drones
The United States is a very strange place.
Perhaps it is payback for the dogs accidentally shot by humans?
-- Ironbowl
Thursday, October 15, 2015
Globalization, Labor, Immigration
In the end, its about money.
How does higher property prices affect residents?
1) Higher property taxes
2) Kids and next generation cannot afford properties
4) Cost of doing business increase
5) All profits go to -- pay rent
So how does this affect Singaporeans?
How does this benefit Singaporeans?
Is it a problem of Globalization?
Back to the problem with immigration in the US.
You get what you vote for.
-- Iron Bowl
Friday, October 02, 2015
Please don't solve any problem and make everything expensive.
Too many cars, COEs, ERPs price go up.
-- Iron Bowl
Thursday, September 24, 2015
Disaster Preparedness - Singapore
Can this be a disaster?
-- Of course.
-- Ironbowl
Sunday, August 30, 2015
Is Healthcare Affordable for Seniors?
Is seems like there is a lot of "tweaking" in the healthcare system in Singapore. There is so much advertisements on the Pioneer Generation (PG) card and how affordable healthcare is going to be.
I've spoken to many seniors, and for those who have not been to the hospitals perceive that the PG card works, but others still feel that healthcare is unaffordable.
I do not understand why healthcare has to be so complex. The ads on TV are in English and Mandarin, and the YouTube videos are in other dialects, but how many seniors go to YouTube? There are also people going door to door to explain the benefits of the PG card. I've followed them to my neighbor's house and even after 1 hour of explanation, everyone seems to be confused.
When I asked about how to lower medical bills, and recurring drugs, these agent have no idea how, and their suggestion was to visit private doctors, polyclinics and hospitals to see which one gives the best price. I don't get it, do they expect seniors to try their luck and test?
One question remains, healthcare is affordable... but to who?
My mom went to Tan Tock Seng on her regular checkups to get her blood thinners. I followed her to collect the medicine and heard many seniors getting turned back because they did not bring enough money. When I saw the bill, it was not any different from 4 months ago. The reply I got from Tan Tock Seng hospital was that the cards do not apply here.
With today's information system, especially in a hospital where you have a record and appointments, why do you still need to bring so many cards, and why can't the cards be used? In this case, the deduction of $400 was from my Medisave. My mother has more than $1,000 in her Medisave and she cannot use it.
What is worse is, this is 4 months worth of medicine, and I've hit the cap on my Medisave. So this means that I cannot use Medisave for future payments and she cannot use her Medisave as well. And as for all the cards she carry, None of them can be used.
This is not an uncommon problem, and for some cases like flu and fever, the PG card and the CHAS card can be use in private clinics to get discounts. And back to the question. With so many complex systems set up, so many different cards, and so much marketing for the different programs, I believe what the public wants is simply, can we have lower medical costs?
-- Iron Bowl
Wednesday, August 19, 2015
The Fear of not Voting for PAP
Your Vote is important, the future of the country lies on your vote.
This is an article on how the votes are counted in the polls, so please read it.
There may be much fear or anger with a certain party. This is a common thing. on social media, there are lots of angry people out there. Make sure you vote wisely during polling day as every vote count and a spoiled vote or a wrongly marked vote supports who you dislike.
What I'm concerned about is the perception of the PAP as a vengeful, all knowing entity. Many Government employees could even relate rumors of some people who had their career destroyed for voting in favor of the Opposition.
What is worse is people who are applying for HDB flats, getting government subsidies, getting grants from the government when running their businesses are afraid of voting for the opposition. Rumours like these have been passed around for so long, it achieved urban myth status; where everyone has heard of them but no one has been able to prove that it exists.
This feels like you are in an abusive environment where you have no choice in a democratic country to choose who you vote for. My big question is, why live in fear and continue to vote for PAP because of fear?
Stop living in fear, vote for who can represent you in parliament.
-- Iron Bowl
Monday, August 17, 2015
"Take the Money"
So true.
That is why they are highest paid in the world.
-- Iron Bowl
Saturday, July 11, 2015
10 things you do which dogs hate.
This is an observation that apply to most dogs, but some may be exception.
1) Not providing structure and rules
Dogs want, need, and love having rules. You might think having strict rules makes life boring or unhappy for your dog. But dogs really want to know what’s what according to their leader. Rules make life a lot more predictable, a lot less confusing and a lot less stressful.
Dogs thrive when they know where the boundaries are, and when you spend time enforcing consistent boundaries with positive rewards, you also are building up their trust in you as a leader. You’re setting up conditions for a very happy dog.
2) Keeping a tight leash, literally
Just as dogs are amazing at reading our body language, they’re amazing at reading our tension levels even through the leash. By keeping a tight leash on a dog, you’re raising the level of stress, frustration, and excitement for your dog, and conversely, for you.
A dog that walks on a tight leash is more apt to bark or be reactive in even the most mild of social situations. But a dog that can walk on a slack leash is more likely to be calm.This is not easy to master, but it is worth it.
3) Using words more than pictures
Dogs don't really read, and they like to judge things by the title or how it looks. They will automatically be annoyed at something even before reading by just the title. Especially if it something bad about their masters.
4) Invited to an event where the public is allowed to join
Just like so many other social species, dogs have their favorite friends and their enemies. It is easy to see what other dogs — and people, for that matter — that a dog wants to hang out with and those with whom she’d rather not associate. Yet, there are a lot of dog owners who go into denial about this or simply fail to read the cues their dog is giving them.
They like closed door events which public money is spent on small group of dogs so they can feel special. Having to squeeze with the public, even when public funds are used is frowned upon and will cause unnecessary barking.
5) Teasing
This should be obvious, and we won't spend too much time on it. But it's worth pointing out because too many people still think it’s funny. Don't bark at a dog as you pass it on the street. Don't wave or talk to a dog that is barking at you from behind a window or door. Don't pull on a dog's tail. The list can go on and on, but in short, don't do something you know makes a dog mad just because you think it's funny.
Calling them names will piss them off, even when it is true.
6) Being Tense
Tension on the leash isn’t the only way a dog can pick up how you’re feeling. You can tell when a person you’re around is feeling tense, even if you don’t realize it. Dogs have the same ability. The more stressed and wound-up you are, the more stressed and wound-up your dog is.
Simply it means that when shit happens and the master is to blame, they will be defensive to show support. If you are stressed out because of fuck-ups you have caused, your dogs will also be stressed out as they will try to share your stress with you.
7) Bad News about their Masters
Dogs are prideful animals. They like to be associated with their leaders and bathe in the glory. Somehow, serving a high profile master doing the right things is glorifying themselves. Conversely, dogs also loathe bad news about their masters.
Luckily, in many countries which have controlled media, these bad news can easily be hidden away and discarded as noise. So their masters do not really need to know what is really going on or how people hate their masters.
8) Other People's Ideas
Its not about good ideas or change, its just other people's ideas. Acknowledging that there can be a possibility of good ideas from outside is admitting that one may not be as all knowing as they should be. As their masters are often paid with extremely high salaries, showing that someone earning a percentile of that salary can come out with good or worse -- better ideas than their masters will cause their world to crumble down.
9) Taking Responsibility
Dogs follow orders. That is a fact. How can they be wrong? However, as their masters are the smartest people of the land, how can anything go wrong? Luckily, it is in their DNA to blame others, or simply keep quiet.
When multiple failures occur which there seem no one else to blame, keeping quiet is the best strategy. Otherwise, come out with something else interested to distract others, that works most of the times too.
10) Think about the REAL problems
Dogs like so subscribe to the mindset of NIMBY (Not in my backyard). If something happens, as long as it does not affect them or near them, they do not need to bother about it. Poverty, joblessness, homelessness -- Not where I live, its managed well.
Prostitution in Woodlands - (phew) I don't live there. Workers Dormitory in Serangoon Gardens - as long as its not near where I live. Rape / Murders - I don't see it, nobody I know is affected, not my problem.
They think the bad branding of Singapore from the poor handling of high profile cases does not affect them, and hope that it will go away. And even the fact that most foreign media agree with how the unfair law violates human rights, they will still be by the side of their masters.
It is actually not too hard to please your dog. Give them treats from time to time, pay attention to their needs and give them an impression that they have preferential treatment for most policies, they will remain loyal to you.
All they want is a forever home, and if it is possible to provide more laws and rules as guidelines for them to follow to reduce ambiguity and restrict media to reduce stress for them, all will be good.
-- Iron Bowl
Tuesday, July 07, 2015
Sick People, Sick Country.
Amos Yee, a 16 year old teenager created a video.
He spent more than 55 days in remand and sent to Block 7 in the IMH where the criminally insane were held.
People who killed others with their vehicles had less prison time.
Yet, some Singaporeans still feel "hurt" that he was actually released, because anyone offending their god king LKY needs to be in jail forever?
I do not agree with what Amos did, but I find that the law used on him is against human rights and excessive.
I guess sick people vote for their sick leaders in a sick country.
-- Ironbowl
Friday, June 19, 2015
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Thursday, June 18, 2015
Bad Service from Malaysian Airlines
I recently took a MAS flight to Nepal from Singapore and my luggage did not arrive.
Firstly, the last luggage took more than 1 hour to come out. Next, the Malaysian Airlines staff in Nepal are not very helpful and it took a long time before they decided that the luggage did not arrive. There were no systems or anything to check whether the luggage was lost or simply delayed.
They informed me that there was a late night flight which may come with my luggage and they will call if it arrives.
I did not receive a call and no one answered the phone when I call the numbers they gave me. And on the next day, I finally managed to get someone on the other side and they informed me that my luggage did arrive. As I was outside, I did not carry the form with me and ask if the luggage could be delivered to my hotel 1km away from the airport but they refused.
When I arrived at the airport to collect the luggage, I saw my luggage and was not allowed to collect it without my form, even though I had my air ticket stubs and my passport. The hotel was not far luckily and I had to go all the way back to the airport again to collect my luggage and the staff did not even check the luggage tab and simply let me take the luggage after giving him the form.
There was no apology or any form of guilt and it feels like losing luggage was to be expected.
After the multiple crashes of Malaysia Airlines last year, I wanted to give MAS a try, but was turned off by the poor service.
I would strongly advice anyone to consider other airlines as MAS feels like an airlines winding down, with low staff morale and poor service.
-- Robin Low
Monday, June 08, 2015
Digital Branding Fail #Singapore - Khaw Boon Wan / Henry Thia
-- Robin Low
Saturday, June 06, 2015
10 reasons why throwing money does not solve anything.
1) Good talents are not appreciated.
2) High Supply of IT graduates from Asian Countries.
3) Low demand for real talent in these developing industries.
5) "Kiasu Culture"
6) Lots of laws, rules and regulations
7) Low technical skills in higher management.
8) Startups run really lean
9) Higher burn rate
10) The people funding don't know what's going on
-- Robin Low
Tuesday, May 26, 2015
Government Ban on Song
Jolin Tsai's same-sex marriage music video and song banned in Singapore or not?
“We’re all different, yet the same”, is – according to GSN, “based on the true story of a lesbian couple who have been together for more than 30 years.”
The Straits Times, reported on Monday that there was no such ban. The Straits Times then quoted the unnamed spokesman as saying that the “MDA advised the local broadcasters that they should not air the song and music video on channels that are freely accessed by younger viewers due to its mature content.”
So ban from Radio and TV?
Why is it banned? Christian groups?
How many songs / shows are banned without anyone knowing (under private consultation)?
Why is it silently banned without anyone knowing?
-- Ironbowl
Sunday, May 17, 2015
The floodgates of foreigners
Many Singaporeans are not happy with the Government's open door policy to foreigners. Within 10 years, the population of Singapore almost doubled, infrastructure cannot cope with the influx of foreigners and traffic, public transportation is definitely declining.
As you may know, supply and demand will definitely cause prices to change. With an open door policy for foreign labor, wages become stagnant for years. There are always new labor willing to work for lower wages.
On the other hand, the increase in population drives up rents as the housing did not catch up with the increase of population. With the increase of rents, speculators move in and buy up properties, hoping to make money on the flip. Very soon, prices double and triple and apartments that cost $400,000 in 1998 or 2000 can easily cost over $1M on 2008 and 2014.
Next, the hospitals run out of hospital beds. There are easily 10 years without any new hospitals built, and it is not until a dengue epidemic that the government decided to build more hospitals.
The government was slow to act. Only when elections is close, controls are put in place to limit the number for foreign workers. Quotas are created. When housing prices have increased so much and real estate rentals are over the top, the new stamp duties are introduced.
Lately, Singapore earned the title of the most expensive city in the world. Due to the high rental costs, businesses have to charge a premium for everything. Food courts popped up everywhere and speculators buy up some of these coffee shops and drive up the rents and in turn drive up the cost of food.
I recently have a chance to speak with a few new immigrants. Some of them were PR in Singapore from Malaysia, China and Philippines. All of them are in Singapore because of one thing -- employment.
Singapore bring a more expensive city, pays way more than their home countries. They decide to become PR because they feel that Singapore is safe and they can do more that they could in their countries.
One of them even joined the Volunteer Corp at SAF to get to know an MP who was in the same camp. PAP MP Janil Puthucheary a new immigrant has not served NS before. After talking to them, they have a very good impression on Singapore and have even joined as Grassroots members.
"In Singapore, you need to know the MP and getting connected with these people brings a lot of benefits. From getting your PR status and citizenship process expedited, getting your kids to the school of your choice, and sometimes priority queue in HDB application." He said. "Sometimes as entrepreneurs, it is important to be a grassroots member to know about some tips on good deals in GeBiz, changes in PIC grants and access to other free government money. Because these ideas generally come from Grassroots members and we share these information."
Even when I do not trust 100% in everything that he said, the fact that he is now in SAFVC, an active member in the Grassroots at a GRC and juggling with his new job and training makes it really really credible.
From this perspective, I could see why the PAP want to bring in more foreigners. Getting them involved and giving them some benefits will essentially secure votes. With them pouring in, it does not matter what happened before and how much screw ups is created, the new citizens will generally support and vote for PAP, because many of them are also not considering staying here for long term.
The new immigrant from PRC, also joined the grassroots as a volunteer, said that it was easier for him to try to get work in the US as Singapore and USA has a free trade agreement, and he is already in the midst of getting a H1B1 visa to work for a US company, after becoming a Singaporean for less than 2 years.
Not all of these new citizens will stay long term, but be assured, once they get a better offer, many of them -- Permanent Residents and new citizens would jump ship.
-- Iron Bowl
Tuesday, May 05, 2015
Smart Nation need Smart Leaders
I was using the Microsoft site (how-old.net) and it could not guess the age of Ultron from the movie age of Ultron.
I've often heard many politicians talk about "Smart Nation", the idea of a smart nation is very cool. But in essence, it is collecting personal data, recording videos, eliminating jobs, losing personal touch in services, and having an app for everything.
A smart nation sounds very cold, one that has defined rules in place, and defined consequences when breaking those rules, but does not care for any reason why those rules are broken. A smart nation with a lot of information is also prone for abuse. The easier it is to use a tracking software to track a person using all the connected CCTV cameras and a facial recognition software, the more it will be abused by people to use it for personal errands.
I've been pushed around in a bureaucratic system and having a webpage which the government forces everyone to use is by far one of the worse experience I have had. I wanted to buy a police report for an accident between my motorcycle and a bicycle, but could not do so online because the bicycle had no license plates, and when I arrived at the Traffic Police HQ, I could not buy the report over the counter as there is a webpage doing that, and since this was an exception, the people at the Traffic Police HQ denied all responsibility as they were not in charge of the system, and told me to look for the IT department, which was in a separate building, and the IT department could not access police reports as it was the duty of the Traffic Police.
With a computer system to blame, the service inevitably will be either very efficient (for things that are common) or impossible as exception will not be handled at all.
From my experience working with many different government departments across different countries, I realize that communications between the different government departments simply does not really exist.
In many countries, a "smart system" can be built relatively easily, but getting the data to work with can be impossible. Many government departments already collect a lot of data, most of the time, there will be an over saturation of data, and sometimes reports are run, but without any context or inputs from other government departments, most of these data are just nice to have and may not be enough to solve problems.
When the leaders do not have a clue about "Smart Nation" but pretend to know, then roll out initiatives and provide a lot of budgets for people to try things, There will be a lot of money wasted, as it is hard to achieve anything if the goal is not defined. Throwing money at the situation does not solve anything if the problem is not even properly defined.
Many of the Leaders have too much ego to learn. Having read a few pages from a book, they automatically can speak the lingo and become an expert. I've seen projects measuring traffic density, air quality and movement patterns, but the sensors are placed in any space that it fits with the least efforts required. So money is saved when sensors are just attached to pre-existing mounts, yet a lot more expensive sensor have to be bought because many of the sensors record the same thing as they are too close together to be effective.
Without a proper understanding of the problem, and an eagerness to talk about Big Data and other forms of analytics, the leaders will spend a lot to make sure that the data is collected, and have no idea how to parse the data into something usable. What's worse is that when other departments want to collaborate to use such data for their processing, the approval process to allow the sharing of the data or even having a sample of the data may take years. In the meantime, even what kind of data is collected remains a secret.
Well, I've spoken to some people who believe that collecting excess data in the beginning is a good approach, because we will never know what kind of data we need. I used to think that is a good strategy as well, but looking at the finite storage of the data collected, many of these data gets corrupted after a year or becomes unusable when the database structure is updated or a new system or new sensors are put in place, with a new format of data. Sometimes, even when changing different vendors for the sensors, the old data that has never been used, is discarded.
We can have a smart city, but if the leaders does not really know what's so smart about the city and having automation for the sake of automation, then it will be a big waste of money, hopefully the solution does not cause service levels to degrade.
I think the notion of a smart nation is a bad one, and I'd prefer to see perhaps a progressive nation, which focus on using technology to empower people and to reduce the barriers to marginalized people. From the implementation of many of the solutions I've seen from various government departments, the idea of a "smart nation" will indeed widen the income gap and create more barriers for people who are not the "average" person.
-- Iron Bowl
Friday, May 01, 2015
Impatient to donate?
"Some donors who had to be turned away by Mr Shrestha expressed unhappiness and asked if they could leave their items at the restaurant. One of them, a woman who declined to be named, said she had spent more than $100 on food items including cereal, cup noodles and nuts. She said: "I spent about two hours doing this and came all the way from Bukit Timah. I could have spent the time with my daughter instead. If you want to help, you have to be fast."
I don't even understand the need to be angry when someone is also trying to help Nepal. "I could have spent the time with my daughter instead. "
Singaporeans are even impatient to help but unwilling to do more, and they expect quick results to be quick.
There is no need to be angry.
I am building a list of is you want to support Nepal. Good people working on the ground.
-- Iron Bowl
Sunday, April 19, 2015
Check the empty units in Vacant Hi-end properties for Dengue NEA!
I've owned many properties before, and I would say, empty properties do breed lots of mosquitoes. From the toilet bowl, to the sinks, modern U-shaped drain pipes are everywhere in your house. Used as a seal to prevent foul smell from coming to the toilet, it holds water in dark and damp areas of the house, making it suitable for mosquito breeding.
Today, many houses, high-end apartments are empty in Singapore because too many speculators who have bought them (for speculation, duh) cannot rent them out due to the bad economy. And many of these apartments and houses have lots of toilets.
I've been to a house today which was unused for 2 weeks and there was already a swarm of mosquitoes in the house.
I'm sure NEA will tell you the house that you live in now is breeding mosquitoes because you have plants and your flowers are breeding mosquitoes, but are they actually checking on the empty expensive units that people cannot afford to rent?
Is it because expensive homes do not breed mosquitoes? I serious hope they do.
-- Iron Bowl
Monday, April 13, 2015
Saturday, April 04, 2015
Good Intentions Gone Wrong
When Lee Kuan Yew passed away in March 2015, many people mourned for him. In India, some of the villagers were really sad, and even though they did not meet the man, they believed he did great things.
And many posters that can make you cringe can be found and above are 2 examples which shows good intentions of the villagers going totally wrong. One would simply as; if you really care about your benefactor that much, would you not recognize him? Or not know how Singapore flag looks like? Or is this just a political move to show the popularity of Lee Kuan Yew overseas getting backfired?
-- Iron Bowl
Tuesday, March 31, 2015
Things we put in our mouths decide on our future?
Who has had the bubble gum above?
Did it make you a smoker?
What would you do if you had the candy below?
-- Iron Bowl
Sunday, March 29, 2015
We will probably not have another leader like LKY.
LKY is a great leader, he voice out for Singaporeans and dares to challenge authority and create change. From his speeches, you can feel his passion and courage.
"There are many sons of doctors who have married doctors. Those who married spouses who are not as bright are tearing their hair out because their children can’t make it. I have lived long enough to see all this play out.
So when the graduate man does not want to marry a graduate woman, I tell him he’s a fool, stupid. You marry a non-graduate, you’re going to have problems, some children bright, some not bright. You’ll be tearing your hair out. you can’t miss. It’s like two dice. One is Jack, Queen, King, Ace, other also Jack, Queen, King, Ace. You throw a Jack, Queen, King, Ace against dice two, three, four, five, six, what do you get? You can’t get high pairs, let alone a full flush."
― Lee Kuan Yew
"I understand the Englishman. He knows deep in his heart that he is superior to the Welshman and the Scotsman... Deep here, I am a Chinaman." ― Lee Kuan Yew
"I believe in democracy. Here, Kuan Yew and I don’t agree. He says, “You are very naïve. You don’t understand. One man, one vote won’t work.” Recently, he said there should be two votes for every educated man." ― S. Rajaratnam
― Lee Kuan Yew
"Malays abhor the state of celibacy. To remain unmarried was and is considered shameful. Everyone must be married at some time or other. The result is that whether a person is fit or unfit for marriage, he or she still marries and reproduces. An idiot or a simpleton is often married off to an old widower, ostensibly to take care of him in his old age. If this is not possible, backward relatives are paired off in marriage. These people survive, reproduce and propagate their species. The cumulative effect of this can be left to the imagination." ― Lee Kuan Yew
"All the bright young men became Catholic priests and did not marry. Bright priests, celibate, produce no children. And the result of several generations of bright Fathers producing no children? Less bright children in the Catholic world." ― Lee Kuan Yew
In fact climate is only one of the factors against which the Chinese had to battle in coming to Southeast Asia. They were also coping with the debilitating effect of moving from a superior to an inferior civilisation. At the Institute of Engineers' din...See More
"The Chinaman who came out to Southeast Asia was a very hard working, thrifty person. I mean he faced a tremendous stride [sic] because he faced floods, pestilence, famine..., [but] we are getting soft. You know, all sunshine and bananas growing on trees and coconuts falling down by themselves - this affects people." ― Lee Kuan Yew
In fact climate is only one of the factors against which the Chinese had to battle in coming to Southeast Asia. They were also coping with the debilitating effect of moving from a superior to an inferior civilisation. At the Institute of Engineers' dinner in April 1965, Lee continued his dissertation on the problems of migrating to Australia or New Zealand: "I told my hostess that where I think it is a ghastly error all this large movements of human beings seeking a better life is that one has got to be quite sure that in the end [one] is going to offer a higher civilization.
Otherwise, you end up just eating more beef steak and pork chops and mutton chops and what happens when people cease to want to buy your dairy produce and leave you stranded in the South Pacific as I am stranded in Southeast Asia. I advised her against settling in Australia and New Zealand because I am quite sure that her progeny will regret all this because they were unlikely to create a civilization vaster and greater than the one they left behind. I say, before you leave behind all these things just make sure you are going to create something better. And if you are not going to, then perhaps it shouldn't be done because this is the way I thought about my great grandfather leaving me here."
― Lee Kuan Yew as quoted and written on by Dr. Michael D. Barr
"The numerical preponderance of the Chinese must be maintained, or there will be a shift in the economy, both the economic performance and the political backdrop which makes that economic performance possible." ― Lee Kuan Yew
"I have said this on many a previous occasion: that had the mix in Singapore been different, had it been 75% Indians, 15% Malays and the rest Chinese, it would not have worked. Because they believe in the politics of contention, of opposition. But because the culture was such that the populace sought a practical way out of their difficulties, therefore it has worked." ― Lee Kuan Yew
“If I tell Singaporeans – we are all equal regardless of race, language, religion, culture. Then they will say,”Look, I’m doing poorly. You are responsible.” But I can show that from British times, certain groups have always done poorly, in mathematics and in science. But I’m not God, I can’t change you. But I can encourage you, give you extra help to make you do, say maybe, 20% better.” ― Lee Kuan Yew
“It is essential to rear a generation at the very top of society that has all the qualities needed to lead and give the people the inspiration and the drive to make it succeed. In short, the elite. Every society tries to produce this type.” ― Lee Kuan Yew
“The Bell curve is a fact of life. The blacks on average score 85 per cent on IQ and it is accurate, nothing to do with culture. The whites score on average 100. Asians score more... the Bell curve authors put it at least 10 points higher. These are realities that, if you do not accept, will lead to frustration because you will be spending money on wrong assumptions and the results cannot follow.” ― Lee Kuan Yew
However, with the system he built up today, it is impossible to have another LKY. When you have an opinion that is different or unpopular, you will be hammered down or worse, arrested by ISA or charged with sedition.
Conformity is the norm now. The pitchfork gang is waiting and the news is ever changing history on how Singapore is built and shaped.
Many people don't understand that you can still respect the man, but not agree with the policies. LKY did many things, some good, some not so good. But I do believe that in his heart, he was doing it for Singapore.
The other leaders today however do not seem to be of the same caliber, would rather follow status quo than make lasting change for the better. For many who loved LKY, it is disappointing to see the things he stood for, "Clean and Green Singapore" becoming a "Cleaned" country even at his wake.
He was against the casinos, and now that is part of the skyline in Singapore. A wise man said, the greatest asset of Singapore is its people. However, today, more than half the workforce is imported.
Change is here, and sometimes not for the better. The tools which he used to stay in power, controlling the media and ISA are still running strong.
His passing has seen many Singaporeans come out to pay their last respect, hopefully they can relive the good times if in 2016, the government can finally work for the people, regardless of language, race or religion, providing prosperity and progress for our nation.
-- Iron Bowl
Thursday, March 26, 2015
Mourn Fatigue #Singapore
LKY was a great man, he achieved much with his greatness. These few days of 24/7 coverage on everything LKY is getting a little unbearable as there is so much repeats and loop covering his funeral and all things great about the man.
3 Days of mourning is what I can take as the media coverage seems to be very one sided, not acknowledging other founding fathers of Singapore, claiming all the success of Singapore to just one man.
I respected the man for the things he has done and the civil liberties he has taken away. I do not agree with many of the things he has done, and the choices he has made, but I do believe everything he has done was for Singapore.
For much progress made from 1965 - 1990s, I thank you sir for your great conviction on getting things done.
Well this is also a good time to hide in a corner, away from TV, media and everything because the constant glorifying of the man is a little too much to handle for me.
I feel that this is actually a time
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introducing: target stress
note: this concept is running on a predictive processing paradigm, approximately, but a fairly generalized version of said paradigm which seems obviously true.
target stress is the expectation of how much stress one is going to experience at a given time. a low target stress level is, for example, lying in bed before falling asleep: this is a low-activity state, the body is relaxed, etc. an example of a high target stress level would be, say, doing physical activity in the cold. low target stress is generally correlated with reflectivity and openness to change of direction; flow states are usually associated with high target stress. i claim that target stress is a parameter which you can alter explicitly if you so choose and one which you likely should be tracking.
this parameter heavily regulates pain tolerance and change tolerance, since it changes how surprising they are. hence, one of the avenues of dealing with pain, sensory issues, and the like is upregulating target stress so that the level of discomfort is no longer important/relevant to perception. chronic low target stress is basically the ever-present expectation that it is not worth it to spend energy on persisting through adversity because it is time to rest. the extreme form thereof can lead to inability to stand for long periods of time in seemingly physically healthy people.
chronic high target stress, particularly emotionally, is, i think, roughly the same thing as c-ptsd: it means constantly living in fear and eventually adaption to care a lot about avoiding pain and inability to lower stress (this is still better than having low target stress and being wrong). it is good to avoid that. it appears that in order to be healthy, people need to regularly cycle their target stress level. i do not yet fully understand this phenomenon. “self care” seems to basically describe dropping target stress really low and then taking care of all the needs that appear once they are not being filtered out, to keep
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The cavalier, who delighted in long morning talks over his pipe, paused a moment to rest, and Robert sat wondering what all this could have to do with him. After a moment, Hugh Price resumed:
"The freemen of Virginia number more than eight thousand horse, and are bound to muster monthly in every county, to be ready for the Indians; but the Indians are absolutely subjugated, so there need be no fear of them. There are five forts in Virginia, mounted with thirty cannon, two on James River, and one each on the other three rivers of York, Rappahannock, and Potomac; but we have neither skill nor ability to maintain them. We have a large foreign commerce. Nearly eighty ships every year come out from England and Ireland, and a few ketches from New England, in defiance of the navigation laws, which the people of New England seem more willing to break than are the people of Virginia. We build neither small nor great vessels here, for we are most obedient to all laws, whilst the New England men break them with impunity and trade at any place to which their interests lead them."
"The New England people are prosperous and God-fearing," Robert ventured to put in.
"Yea; but do they not harbor outlaws and regicides. Do not Whalley and Goffe find in that country aiders and abettors in their criminal proceeding?"
"The New Englanders are friendly to the education of the masses."
At this, Hugh Price for an instant lost control of his passion. His master, Sir William Berkeley, in a memorial to parliament, had just said:
"I thank God that there are no free schools, nor printing, and I hope we shall not have them these hundred years; for learning has brought disobedience into the world, and printing has divulged them, and libels against the best governments. God keep us from both!"
Virginia was the last province to submit to the commonwealth and first to declare for the returned monarch, and the royalists residing in Virginia despised what the common people insisted in calling freedom. The commonwealth had driven many excellent royalists from England to Virginia, and while Hugh Price seeks to smother his anger in clouds of tobacco smoke, we will make a quotation from John Esten Cooke's "Virginia" in regard to some of them:
"The character of the king's men who came over during the commonwealth period has been a subject of much discussion. They have been called even by Virginia writers as we have seen, 'butterflies of aristocracy,' who had no influence in affairs or in giving its coloring to Virginia society. The facts entirely contradict the view. They and their descendants were the leaders in public affairs, and exercised a controlling influence upon the community. Washington was the greatgrandson of a royalist, who took refuge in Virginia during the commonwealth. George Mason was the descendant of a colonel, who fought for Charles II. Edmond Pendleton was of royalist origin, and lived and died a most uncompromising churchman. Richard Henry Lee, who moved the Declaration, was of the family of Richard Lee, who had gone to invite Charles II. to Virginia. Peyton and Edmund Randolph, president of the First Congress, and attorney-general were of the old royalist family. Archibald Cary, who threatened to stab Patrick Henry if he were made dictator, was a relative of Lord Falkland and heir apparent at his death to the barony of Hunsdon. Madison and Monroe were descended from the royalist families--the first from a refugee of 1653, the last from a captain in the army of Charles I., and Patrick Henry and Thomas Jefferson, afterward the leaders of democratic opinion, were of church and king blood, since the father of Henry was a loyal officer who 'drank the king's health at the head of his regiment'; and the mothers of both were Church of England women, descended from royalist families."
With this brief digression, we will return to Hugh Price, who, having smoked himself into a calmer state, turned his eyes upon his wife's son with a look designed to be compassionate and said:
"Robert, it is the great love I bear you, which causes my anxiety about your welfare. I trust that your recent sojourn in New England hath not established the seeds of republicanism and Puritanism in your heart. I trust that any fallacious ideas you may have formed during your absence will become, in the light of reason, eradicated."
"He who is not susceptible of reason is unworthy of being called a reasonable being," Robert answered.
"I am glad to hear you say as much. Now permit me to return to the original subject. Virginia is on the verge of a political irruption, and your arrival may be most opportune or unfortunate."
"I hardly comprehend you."
"There is some dissatisfaction with Governor Berkeley's course with the Indians. Some unreasonable people think that he should prosecute the war against them more vigorously."
"Why does he not?"
"He has good reasons."
"What are they?"
"He has dealings with the Indians in which there are many great fortunes involved. To go to war with them would be sure to lose him and his friends these profits. I am one concerned in these speculations, and it would be a grievous wrong to me were the war prosecuted."
Robert knew something of the savage outrages in Virginia. He had learned of them while on shipboard, and he had some difficulty in restraining his rising indignation, so it was with considerable warmth that he answered:
"Do you think your gains of more value than the human lives sacrificed on the frontier?"
"Such talk is treason," cried Price. "It sounds not unlike Bacon, Cheeseman, Lawrence and Drummond. Have you seen them since your return?"
"I have not, nor did I ever hear of the man Bacon before."
"Have a care! You would do well to avoid Drummond, Cheeseman and Lawrence."
"They are suspected of republicanism. Have naught to do with them."
Some people are so constituted that to refuse them a thing increases their desire for it. Robert would no doubt have gone to hunt up his former friends and rescuers even had not his stepfather forbidden his doing so, but now that Price prohibited his having anything to do with them, he was doubly determined to meet them and learn what they had to say about the threatened trouble.
His mother and sister were waiting in the room below with anxiously beating hearts to know the result of the conference. Sighs of relief escaped both, when they were assured that the meeting had been peaceful.
"Hold your peace, my son," plead the mother, "and do naught to bring more distress upon your poor mother."
Robert realized that a great crisis was coming which would try his soul. He had never broken his word with his mother, and for fear that his conscience might conflict with any promise, he resolved to make none, so he evaded her, by saying:
"Mother, there is no need for apprehension. We are in no danger."
"But your stepfather and you?"
"We have had no new quarrel."
He was about to excuse himself and take a stroll about Jamestown, when he saw a short, stout little fellow, resembling an apple dumpling mounted on two legs, entering the door. Though years had passed since he had seen that form, he knew him at sight. Giles Peram, the traitor and informer, had grown plumper, and his round face seemed more silly. His little eyes had sunk deeper into his fat cheeks, and his lips were puckered as if to whistle. He was attired as a cavalier, with a scarlet laced coat, a waistcoat of yellow velvet and knee breeches of the cavalier, with silk stockings.
"Good day, good people," he said, squeezing his fat little hands together. "I hope you will excuse this visit, for I--I--heard that the brother of my--of the pretty maid had come home, and hastened to congratulate him."
Robert gazed for a moment on the contemptible little fellow, the chief cause of his arrest and banishment and, turning to his mother, asked:
"Do you allow him to come here?"
"We must," she whispered.
"Hush, son; you don't understand it all. I will explain it to you soon."
"You may; but I think I shall change matters, if he is to be a visitor."
"He is the governor's secretary."
"I care not if he be governor himself; he has no business here."
The little fellow, whose face had grown alternately white and purple, stood squeezing his palms and ejaculating:
"Oh, dear me!--oh, dear!--this is very extraordinary--what can this mean?"
"Why do you dare enter this house?" demanded Robert, fiercely.
"Oh, dear, I don't know--I am only a small fellow, you know."
At this moment Mrs. Price and her daughter interposed and begged Robert, for the peace of the family, to make no further remonstrance. He was informed that Giles Peram was the favorite of the governor and Hugh Price, and to insult him would be insulting those high functionaries.
"Why is he here? Whom does he come to see?"
"Perhaps it is Mr. Price!" the mother stammered, casting a glance at Peram, who quickly answered:
"Yes--yes, it is Mr. Price. Will you show me up to him? I have a very important message from the governor."
He was trembling in every limb, for he expected to be hurled from the house.
Robert went into the street in a sort of maze.
He felt a strange foreboding that all was not right, and that Giles Peram had some deep scheme on foot.
"I will kill the knave, if the governor should hang me for it the next moment," he said in a fit of anger.
It was not long before Robert was at the house of Mr. Lawrence, where he met his friends Drummond and Cheeseman. The three were engaged in a close consultation as if discussing a matter of vital importance. They did not at first recognize Robert, who had grown to manhood; but as soon as he made himself known, they welcomed him back among them, and warm-hearted Cheeseman said:
"I know full well you can be relied upon in this great crisis."
"What is the crisis?" Robert asked.
"We seem on the verge of some sort of a revolution. Virginia welcomed Charles II. and Governor Berkeley as the frogs welcomed the stork, and they, stork like, have begun devouring us."
"I have heard something of the grievances of the people of Virginia; but I do not know all of them. What leads up to this revolution?"
Mr. Drummond answered:
"The two main grievances are the English navigation acts and the grant of authority to the English noblemen to sell land titles and manage other matters in Virginia. Why, the king hath actually given to Lord Culpepper, a cunning and covetous member of the commission, for trade and plantations, and the earl of Arlington, a heartless spendthrift, 'all the dominion of land and water called Virginia, for the term of thirty-one years.' We are permitted by the trade laws to trade only with England in English ships, manned by Englishmen."
"Is it such a great grievance to the people?"
"It is foolish and injurious to the government as well as to ourselves. The system cripples the colony, and, by discouraging production, decreases the English revenue. To profit from Virginia they grind down Virginia. Instead of friends, as we expected, on the restoration, we are beset by enemies, who seize us by the throat and cry: 'Pay that thou owest!'"
"To these grievances are added the confinement of suffrage to freeholders, which hath disfranchised a large number of persons," put in Mr. Drummond.
"Also the failure of the governor to protect the frontier from the Indians," added Mr. Cheeseman. "These heathen have begun to threaten the colony."
"What cause have they for taking up the hatchet?" asked Robert. Mr. Cheeseman answered:
"Their jealousy was aroused by an expedition made by Captain Henry Batte beyond the mountains. Last summer there was a fight with some of the Indians. A party of Doegs attacked the frontier in Staffard and committed outrages, and were pursued into Maryland by a company of Virginians under Major John Washington. They stood at bay in an old palisaded fort. Six Indians were killed while bringing a flag of truce. The governor said that even though they had slain his nearest relatives, had they come to treat with him he would have treated with them. The Indian depredations have been on the increase until the frontier is unsafe, and this spring, when five hundred men were ready to march against the heathen, Governor Berkeley disbanded them, saying the frontier forts were sufficient protection for the people."
"Are they?" asked Robert.
"Then why does he not send an army against them?"
"He is engaged in trafficking with the heathen and fears that he may lose, financially, by a war."
"Is gain in traffic of more consequence than human life?"
"With him, it is."
Robert was a lover of humanity, and in a moment he had taken sides. He was a republican and his fate was cast with Bacon, even before he had seen this remarkable man.
He stood--some dread was on his face, Soon hatred settled in its place: It rose not with the reddening flush Of transient anger's hasty blush, But pale as marble o'er the tomb, Whose ghastly whiteness aids its gloom. --BYRON.
Robert Stevens returned home, his mind filled with strange, wild thoughts. It was a lovely evening in early spring. The moon, round and full, rose from out its watery bed and shed a soft, refulgent glow on this most delightful of all climes. Below was the bay, on which floated many barks, and among them the vessel which had so recently brought him from Boston. The little town lay quiet and peaceful on the hill where his grandfather and Captain John Smith sixty years ago had planted it. Beyond were the dark forests, gloomy and forbidding, as if they concealed many foes of the white men; but those woods were not all dark and forbidding. From them issued the sweet perfumes of wild flowers and the songs of night birds, such as are known in Virginia.
Young Stevens was in no mood to be impressed by the surrounding scenery. He was repeating under his breath:
"_Tyranny! tyranny! tyranny!_"
Robert loved freedom as dearly as he loved Ester Goffe, and one was as necessary to his existence as the other. Now, on his return to the land of his nativity, he found the ruler, once so mild and popular, grown to a tyrant.
"His office is for life," sighed Robert. "And too much power hath made him mad."
Reaching the house, he heard voices in the front room and among them that of his sister. She was greatly agitated, and he heard her saying:
"No, no, Mr. Peram. I--don't understand you."
"Not understand me? I love you, sweet maid. Do I not make myself plain?"
"No, no; do not talk that way; pray do not."
"But you must promise, sweet maid, to wed me. I adore you."
At this the scoundrel caught her hand, and Rebecca uttered a scream of terror. Her brother waited to hear no more, but leaped boldly into the room and, seizing Mr. Giles Peram by the collar of his coat and the waistband of his costly knee-breeches, held him at arm's length, and began applying first one and then another pedal extremity to his anatomy.
Mr. Peram squirmed and howled:
"Oh, dear! Oh, let me go! This is very extraordinary!" his small eyes growing dim and his fat cheeks pale.
"You knave! How dare you thus annoy my sister?" cried Robert, still kicking the rascal. At last he led him to the door and flung him down the front steps, where he fell in a heap on the ground with such force, that one might have thought his neck was broken. Robert turned to his sister and asked:
"Where is mother?"
"She hath gone with her husband to Greensprings."
"And left you alone?"
"It was thought you would come."
Robert Stevens felt guilty of neglect in lingering too long in the company of men whom Berkeley would regard as conspirators; but he immediately excused himself on the ground that he had had no knowledge of the intended departure of his mother, or that his sister would be left alone.
"Have you suffered annoyances from him before?"
"Does mother know of it?"
"She does."
"And makes no effort to protect you?"
"She does all she can; but--but Mr. Price sanctions the marriage."
"I think I understand why you were left," said Robert, bitterly; "but I will protect you, never fear. That disgusting pigmy of humanity, that silly idiot and false swearer shall not harm you. I will take you to uncle's."
"Alas, he is dead. He was appointed governor to Carolinia and died."
"But our father's sister will give you a home, if the persecution becomes too hard for you to endure."
With such assurances, he consoled her as only a stout, brave brother can, and to win her mind from the subject that tormented her most, he told her of Ester Goffe and their betrothal, with a few of his wild adventures in New England, where, at this time, King Philip's war was raging with relentless fury.
Then his sister retired, and he sought repose. Next morning his mother was at breakfast; but Hugh Price was absent. He asked no questions about him. Nothing was said of the summary manner in which he had disposed of Mr. Peram, and it was a week before he saw his sister's unwelcome suitor.
The little fellow was standing on a platform making a speech to some sailors and idlers. The harangue was silly, as all his speeches were.
"If the king wants brave soldiers to cope with these rebels, let him send me to command them. Fain would I lead an army against the vagabonds."
At this, some wag in the crowd made a remark about the diminutive size of the speaker, and the ludicrous figure he would cut as a general, at which he became enraged and cried:
"Begone, knave! Do you think I talk to fools? Nay, I speak sense."
"Which is very extraordinary," put in the wag. This so exasperated the orator, that he fumed and raged about the platform and, not taking heed which way he went, tumbled backward off the stage, which brought his harangue to an inglorious close.
Shouts of laughter went up from the assembled group at his mishap, and the orator retired in disgust.
Robert Stevens was more amused than any other person at the manner in which Giles Peram had terminated his speech. He went home and told his sister, who laughed as much as he did.
That night, near midnight, Robert was awakened from a sound sleep by some one tapping on his window lattice. He rose, at first hardly able to believe his senses; but the moon was shining quite brightly, and he distinctly saw the outline of a man standing outside his window, and there came a tapping unquestionably intended to wake him.
"Who are you?" he asked, going to the window.
"I am Drummond," was the answer, and he now recognized his father's friend standing on the rounds of a ladder which he had placed against the house at the side of his window. On the ground below were two more men, whom he recognized as Mr. Cheeseman and the thoughtful Mr. Lawrence.
"What will you, Mr. Drummond?"
"Come forth; we have something to say to you. Dress for a journey and bring what weapons you have, as you may need them."
Robert hurriedly dressed and buckled on a breastplate and sword with a brace of pistols. He had a very fine rifle, which he brought away with him, as well as a supply of flints, a horn full of powder to the very throat, and plenty of bullets. With these, he crept from the house and joined the three men under the tree. Mr. Drummond said:
"The Indians have again risen in their fury, and attacked the frontier, killing many, and have carried some of your kinspeople away captives."
Robert was roused. He was in a frenzy and vowed that if no one else would go, he would himself pursue the savages and rescue his relatives.
"You will have aid," assured Mr. Drummond. "The people are enraged at the carelessness of the governor, and if they can secure a leader, they will go and punish the Indians."
"Leader or no leader, I shall go to the rescue of my relatives. My father's sister and children are captives; think you I would remain at home for lack of a leader?"
"We will find one in Nathaniel Bacon."
"Who is he?" asked Robert, as if he still feared the willingness or ability of the proposed leader to conduct the crusade against the savages. Mr. Drummond answered:
"Bacon is a young man who has not yet arrived at thirty years. His family belongs to the English gentry, for he is a cousin of Lord Culpepper and married a daughter of Sir John Duke. He run out his patrimony in England and hath, by his liberality, exhausted the most of what he brought to Virginia. He came here four years ago and settled at Curies on the upper James River. His uncle, who lives in Virginia, was a member of the king's council. He is Nathaniel Bacon, senior, a very rich politic man and childless, who designs his nephew, Nathaniel Bacon, junior, for his heir."
"Has he ability for a leader?" asked Robert.
"He hath; his abilities have been so highly recognized, that he was appointed soon after his arrival to a place in the council."
This was a position of great dignity, rarely conferred upon any but men of matured age and large estate, and Bacon was only twenty-eight, and his estate small. His personal character is seen on the face of his public career. He was impulsive and subject to fits of passion, or, as the old writers say, "of a precipitate disposition."
Bacon came near being the Virginia Cromwell. Though he never wholly redeemed his adopted country from tyranny, he put the miscreant Berkeley to flight. On that May night in 1676, Bacon was at his Curles plantation, just below the old city of Henricus, living quietly on his estate with his beautiful young wife Elizabeth. He had another estate in what is now the suburbs of the present city of Richmond, which is to-day known as "Bacon's Quarter Branch." His servants and overseers lived here, and he could easily go thither in a morning's journey on his favorite dapple gray, or by rowing seven miles around the Dutch Gap peninsula, could make the journey in his barge. When not at his upper plantation or in attendance at the council, he was living the quiet and unassuming life of a planter at Curles, where he entertained his neighbors, and being by nature a lover of the divine rights of man, he boldly denounced the trade laws, the Arlington and Culpepper grants, and the governor for his lukewarmness in defending the frontier against the Indians. Though one of the gentry, who had it in his power to become a favorite, the manifest tyranny of Governor Berkeley so shocked his sense of right and justice, that he was ready to condemn the whole system of government.
When the report came to him that the Indians were about to renew their outrages on the upper waters of the James River, Bacon flew into a rage and, tossing his arms about in a wild gesticulation, as was his manner, declared:
"If they kill any of my people, d--n my blood, I will make war on them, with or without authority, commission or no commission."
The hour was not long in coming when his resolution was put to the test.
In May, 1676, two days before Robert was awakened from his midnight slumbers by Drummond, the Indians had attacked his estate at the Falls, killed his overseer and one of his servants, and were going to carry fire and hatchet through the frontier. The wild news flew from house to house. The planters and frontiersmen sprang to arms and began to form a combination against these dangerous enemies.
Governor Berkeley had refused to commission any one as commander of the forces, and the colonists were without a head. The silly old egotist who ruled Virginia declared that there was no danger from the Indians, and even while the frontiersmen were battling with them for their lives, he wrote to the home government that all trouble with the natives was happily over. When the Virginians assembled, they were without a leader.
It was on this occasion that Robert was awakened at night, as we have seen, and asked to arm himself and prepare for a journey. That midnight journey was to Curies where the planters were assembled preparatory to making a descent on the enemy, which they were long to remember. When Robert was informed of the plan, he asked for a moment's time to confer with his sister, that he might notify her of his departure.
He knew the room in which Rebecca slept, and going to her door, tapped lightly until he heard her stirring, and the voice within asked:
"Who are you?"
"It is your brother," he whispered. A moment later the pretty face of the sleepy girl, surrounded by the neat border of a night-cap, appeared, and he hastily informed her that the Indians, in ravaging the frontier, had carried away their relatives, and he was going to set out to recover them. She knew the political situation of the country and the danger of the governor's wrath; but she could not detain her brother from such a mission.
Having explained to her that he was going to recover the captives and knew not when he would return, he went hurriedly away to join his companions. A horse was ready saddled for him, and they rode nearly all the remainder of the night, and at dawn were at Curies where was found a considerable number of riflemen. As they came upon the group, Robert saw a young man with dark eyes and hair, a face that was ruddy, yet denoting nervous temperament. He was tall and graceful, and his bold, vehement spirit seemed at once to take fire, and his enthusiasm kindled a conflagration in the breasts of his hearers. He spoke of their wrongs, of their governor's avarice, who would for the sake of his traffic with the Indians sacrifice their lives. They were not assembled for vengeance, but for defence against a ruthless foe. There was no outward expression of rebellion in his speech, yet he enlarged on the grievances of the time. That speech was an ominous indication of coming events.
"Who is that man?" Robert asked.
"Nathaniel Bacon," was the answer.
This was the first time he had ever seen the man so noted in history as the great Virginia rebel, yet from the very first Robert was strangely impressed with the earnestness of the stranger.
Bacon had been chosen as commander of the Virginians, and had sent to Berkeley for his commission. The governor did not refuse the commission; but he did what practically amounted to the same, failed to send it. It was to this that Bacon was referring when Robert Stevens and his friends joined the group.
"Instead of sending the commission which I desired, he hath politely notified me that the times are troubled," Bacon said, "that the issue of my business might be dangerous, that, unhappily, my character and fortunes might become imperiled if I proceed. The commission is refused; his complimentary expressions amount to nothing; the veil is too thin to impose on us; the Indians are still ravaging the frontier. They have been furnished with firelocks and powder--by whom? By the governor in his traffic with them. If you, good housekeepers, will sustain me, I will assault the savages in their stronghold."
All, with one accord, assented and declared themselves willing to be led to the assault. Bacon was at once chosen as the commander of the army. When he learned that Robert and his friends had come from Jamestown to aid the people on the frontier, he came to welcome them to his ranks and to assure them that he appreciated their courage and humanity.
"I have relatives and friends who are captives of the Indians," Robert explained, "and I shall rescue them or perish in the effort."
"Bravo! spoken like an Englishman. We are kindling a fire which may yet consume royalty in Virginia."
Nathaniel Bacon was politic, however, and before setting out against the Indians dispatched another messenger to Jamestown for a commission as commander. The game between the man of twenty-eight and the man of seventy had begun. Both possessed violent tempers; both were proud and resolute, and the man of seventy was wholly unscrupulous. The prospects were good for a bitter warfare. The old cavalier attempted to end it by striking a sudden blow at his adversary. Bacon and his army were on their march through the forest to the seat of Indian troubles, when an emissary of the governor came in hot haste with a proclamation, denouncing Nathaniel Bacon and his deluded followers as rebels, and ordered them to disperse. If they persisted in their illegal proceedings, it would be at their peril.
Governor Berkeley could not have chosen a more effective way of crippling the expedition. The resolution of the most wealthy of the armed housekeepers were shaken. They feared a confiscation more than hanging or decapitation. One hundred and seventy of the followers of Bacon obeyed the order and abandoned the expedition.
Fifty-seven horsemen remained steadfast. Among them was Robert Stevens, who was young and reckless as his daring leader.
The Indians had entrenched themselves on a hill east of the present city of Richmond, and when the whites approached them, they as usual sent forth a flag of truce to parley with them. The men who remained with Bacon were nearly all frontiersmen who had suffered more or less from the savages.
John Whitney, a frontiersman, had had his home destroyed, and his wife and child slain by the Indians. While the parley was going on, John discovered the Indian who had slain his wife and child, and, recognizing their scalps hanging at the savage's girdle, he levelled his rifle at the savage and shot him dead.
The Indians gave utterance to yells of rage, and from the hill-top poured down a volley at the white men; but the bullets and arrows passed quite over their heads. Bacon saw that the moment for a charge had arrived, and, raising himself in his stirrups, he shouted:
"There are the devils who slew your friends and kindred. It is their lives or ours. Strike for vengeance! Charge!"
Not a man faltered. Never did husbands, fathers and brothers dash forward into battle more fearlessly. Each man thought only of his own little home exposed to the ravages of the enemy, and the whistling of balls and arrows did not deter him. The enemy were entrenched in a fort of logs. They outnumbered the Virginians ten to one; but the latter charged nobly forward, plunging into the stream which lay between them and the fort, and wading through the water shoulder deep.
"There are the enemy; storm the fort!" cried Bacon. Ever in the van, mounted on his dapple gray, where bullets flew thickest, he was here and there and everywhere, urging and encouraging the men by word and example. They needed little encouragement, for the atrocities of the Indian had fired the blood of the Virginians, until the most timid among them became brave as a lion.
Robert Stevens kept at the side of Bacon, imitating his example. Robert was mounted on an English bay, a famous fox-hunter, and accustomed to leaping barriers. Bacon knew nothing of the science of Indian warfare, even if he knew anything of war at all. Indian tactics are entirely different from civilized warfare and require a different mode to meet them; but though the hero of Virginia four years before was thoroughly ignorant of Indians, he seemed to acquire the necessary knowledge in a moment. He was the man for the occasion.
Side by side Bacon and Robert dashed at the palisade and leaped their horses over it. They emptied their rifles and fired their pistols at such close range, that the effect was murderous. Others followed, leaping down among the savages, and opened fire. When guns and pistols had belched forth their deadly contents, the more deadly sabre was drawn, and the Indians were slain without mercy.
The buildings were fired, and the four thousand pounds of powder, which the Indians had procured of the governor, were blown up. One hundred and fifty Indians were slain, while Bacon lost only three of his own party. This victory is famous in history as the "Battle of Bloody Run," so called from the fact that the blood of the Indians ran down into the stream beneath the hill. Among some of the captives taken by the Indians, Robert Stevens found his relatives and restored them to their homes and friends.
The Indians were routed and sent flying toward the mountains, and Bacon went back toward Curles.
Meanwhile Berkeley was not idle. He raised a troop of horse to pursue and conquer the rebels; but to his alarm he found the people quite outspoken and, in fact, in open rebellion in the lower tiers of counties.
When the burgesses met in June, Bacon embarked in his sloop and went to Jamestown, taking Robert Stevens and about thirty friends with him. No sooner had the sloop landed than the cannon of a ship were trained on it, and Bacon was arrested and taken to Governor Berkeley in the statehouse.
The haughty governor was somewhat awed by the turmoil and confusion which prevailed throughout Jamestown, and feared to appear stern with so popular a man as Bacon.
"Mr. Bacon, have you forgot to be a gentleman?" the governor asked.
"No, may it please your honor," Bacon answered, quite coolly.
"Then I will take your parole," said Berkeley.
Bacon was consequently paroled, though not given privilege to leave Jamestown. There was much murmuring and discontent among the people, who vowed that they had only "appealed to the sword as a defence against the bloody heathen."
'Do you know the old man of the sea, of the sea? Have you met with that dreadful old man? If you haven't been caught, you will be, you will be; For catch you he must and he can.' --HOLMES.
Robert Stevens and twenty others captured with Bacon were kept in prison. His mother and sisters visited him, but he saw nothing of his stepfather. One evening he was informed that a gentleman wished to see him, and immediately Mr. Giles Peram was admitted to his cell.
"How are you, Robert--ahem?" began Giles. "This is most extraordinary, I assure you, and you have my sympathy, and you may not believe it, no, you may not believe it, but I am sorry for you."
"You can spare yourself any tears on my account," the prisoner answered, casting a look of scorn and indignation on the proud little fellow who strutted before him with ill-concealed exultation. Without noticing the irony in the words of the prisoner, Giles puffed up with the importance of his mission, went on:
"Robert, I have come to you with a singular proposition. Now you are very anxious to know what it is, are you not?"
"I have some curiosity; yet I have no doubt that I shall treat your proposition with contempt."
"Oh, no, you won't. Your life depends on your acceptance."
"I can best answer you when I know what your proposition is
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LW Dev question: FB-style tagging?
As LW is an intellectual **community** where people get to know each other and know "who knows what, who's working on what" it seems like something like tagging people FB-style in specific posts/comments is a very low-hanging fruit. (Of course you should be able to silence people from tagging you or sort taggers by some score). Is this in the pipeline, or has been ruled out for some reason?
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Part one is coming up with mechanistic hypotheses to explain what this system is doing. So this could be in terms of pseudocode, a mechanistic hypothesis could look like some sort of graph, and a hypothesis doesn’t have to be one function or program, it could represent a class of functions or programs, but it needs to be some sort of representation of what’s happening mechanistically inside of the network. Step two is to then take that hypothesis, that mechanistic hypothesis and test to what extent it validly explains the computations being performed internally inside of the network. Step 1, hypothesis generation. Step 2, hypothesis confirmation. I think Step 2 is tractable, or at least it’s the kind of thing that we’re able to be making progress on. For example, the causal scrubbing agenda is something that’s pretty popular and relating to this that’s had a lot of work done recently. It’s a relatively tractable problem to try to come up with methods to confirm how computationally similar a hypothesis graph is to what a system is doing. Step 1 though seems quite difficult, and it seems about as difficult as program synthesis / program induction / programming language translation. And these are things that are known to be quite hard and have been known to be quite hard for a long time. And lots of progress has been made in mechanistic interpretability by focusing on very, very simple problems where the hypotheses are easy. But in general, if we don’t assume that we’re going to encounter a bunch of systems in the future where the things that are right or wrong about them are explainable in terms of easy hypotheses, I don’t think that we’re going to be able to get too much further or scale too much higher by relying on toy problem, human in the loop approaches to mechanistic interpretability. Daniel Filan: Yeah, I guess I have a few thoughts and responses to that. So the first is, when you say that coming up with hypotheses seems about as hard as program synthesis or program translation, it’s not clear to me why. I guess I can see how it’s closer to program translation. Unlike synthesis, you have access to this neural network which is doing the thing. You have access to all the weights, in some sense you know exactly how it works. And it seems to me that there is some ability - we have tools that can tell you things about your code. For instance, type checkers. That’s a tool that is, I guess, quasi mechanistic. It really does tell you something about your code. I don’t know. I was wondering if you could elaborate more on your thoughts about how difficult you expect hypothesis generation to actually be. Stephen Casper: Yeah, I think that’s a good take. And it’s probably worth being slightly more specific at this point in time. So if you’re forming mechanistic hypotheses from the task or the problem specification, then that’s much like program synthesis. If you are forming these from input-output examples from the network, this is much like program induction. And then like you said, if you’re using this, if you’re forming them through model internals, this is much like programming language translation because you’re trying to translate between different formalisms for computing things. Daniel Filan: And in this case you have all three sources of information, right? Stephen Casper: And in this case you do, which is nice. I don’t know of this being some sort of theoretical solution around any proofs of hardness for any of these problems. But in practice it is nice. This is certainly a good thing to point out and it’s probably going to be useful. But then there’s this notion of: how can we make some sort of progress from this translation perspective? And if we wanted to do it particularly rigorously, if we shot for the moon, we might land on the ground because it might be very hard. So you just turn a network into a piece of code that very, very well describes it. But you mentioned the analogy to type checkers. Type checkers are kind of nice because you can run them on things and being able to determine something’s type or being able to determine if there’s a likely syntax error or something is not something that is made impossible by Rice’s theorem or uncomputability-ish results. And to the extent that we’re able to do this, do something analogous or find flags for interesting behavior or things to check out or parts of the architecture to scrutinize more, or things that we might be able to cut out or things that might be involved in handling of anomalous inputs, anything like this, I think these sound very cool. And I think what you just described would probably be one of the best ways to try to move forward on a problem like this. It’s not something that I’ll say I have a lot of faith in or not, just because I don’t think we have a lot of examples of this type of thing. But I would certainly be interested to hear more work about doing something like this, about learning useful heuristics or rules associated with specific networks or something, flag interesting things about it. And I like this idea a lot. Daniel Filan: And I guess when you mention, is the thing you’re trying to do barred by Rice’s theorem… So Rice’s theorem says that, you can correct me if I’m wrong, but I think it says that for any property of a program such that the property isn’t about how you wrote the program, it’s about it’s external behavior, and it’s a non-trivial property, some programs have this property and some programs don’t have the property, then you can’t always determine by running code whether any given program has this property. In theory, there are examples that you just can’t work with. Stephen Casper: Yes. Daniel Filan: And I think that that suggests that in some sense we should probably try to have neural networks that aren’t just generic computer programs where we do know that these kinds of things work. And similarly, the analogy to program translation, I don’t know, it’s probably better if you write your code nicely. Similarly, in a podcast that I’ve recorded but not yet released with Scott Aaronson [said podcast has since been released], he mentions this result where in the worst case it’s possible to take a two layer neural network and implant basically a Trojan, a backdoor, in it such that the task of finding out that that happened is equivalent to some computationally difficult graph theory problem. Stephen Casper: I assume this involves a black box assumption about the network, not that you have access to model internals. Daniel Filan: No. Even white box, you have access to the weights. Stephen Casper: Oh you do? Okay. Daniel Filan: Yeah, if you think about it, having access to the weights is like having access to some graph and there’s some computationally difficult problems with graphs. So yeah, I guess if I put this all together, then I might have some vision of, okay, we need to somehow ensure that models have a nice kind of structure so that we can mechanistically interpret them. And then I start thinking, okay, well maybe the reason you start with toy problems is that you get used to trying to figure out what kinds of structure actually helps you understand things and explain various mechanisms. I don’t know, that was mostly my take. So what do you think about all that? Stephen Casper: Sure. So this idea that I profess to be a fan of - this idea of doing something analogous to type checking - and you bring up this idea of making networks that are good for this in the first place or very amenable to this in the first place - I think that a post-hoc version of this, or a version of this where you’re just looking at model weights in order to flag interesting parts of the architecture, I think, I don’t know of any examples on the top of my head that are particularly good examples of this. There’s stuff like mechanistic anomaly detection that could maybe be used for it, but I don’t know of a lot of work that’s immediately being done, at least from this post-hoc perspective. Does anything come to mind for you? There’s probably something out there, but my point is something like, I don’t know of a lot of examples of this, but maybe it could be cool to think about in the future. Daniel Filan: To be honest, I know a little bit less about the interpretability literature than maybe I should. Stephen Casper: But then there’s this non post-hoc notion of doing this… Daniel Filan: Pre-hoc. Stephen Casper: Pre-hoc, or intrinsic way, in which you want an architecture that has nice properties related to things you can verify about it or modularity or something. And I think this work is very, very exciting. And I think obviously there’s a lot of work on this from the literature at large. There are all sorts of things that are directly getting at simpler architectures or architectures that are easy to study or more interpretable or something of the sort. But one thing I think is a little bit interesting about the AI safety interpretability community is that there’s a lot of emphasis on analyzing circuits. There’s a lot of emphasis on this type of problem, mechanistic anomaly detection. And there is a bit less emphasis than I would normally expect on intrinsic approaches to making more networks more and more interpretable. And I think this is possibly a shame or an opportunity that’s being missed out on, because there are a lot of nice properties that intrinsic interpretability techniques can add to neural nets. And there are lots of different techniques that don’t conflict with using each other. And I think it might be very interesting sometime in the near future to just work on more intrinsically interpretable architectures as a stepping stone to try to do better mechanistic interpretability in the future. For example, how awesomely interpretable might some sort of neural network that is adversarially trained and trained with elastic weight consolidation and trained with bottlenecking or some other method to reduce polysemanticity, and maybe it’s architecture’s sparse and maybe there’s some intrinsic modularity baked into the architecture… Something like this, how much easier might it be to interpret a neural network that is kind of optimized to be interpretable, as opposed to just trained on some task using performance measures to evaluate it, and then something that you just use interpretability tools on after the fact? I think it’s a shame that we have all this pressure for benchmarking and developing AI systems to be good at performance on some type of task while not also having comparable feedback and benchmarking and pressures in the research space for properties related to interpretability. Daniel Filan: Yeah. I think one reaction that people often have to this instinct is to say, “Look, the reason that deep neural networks are so performant, the reason that they can do so much stuff is because they’re these big semi-unstructured blobs of matrices such that gradients can flow freely and the network can figure out its own structure.” And I think there’s some worry that most ways you’re going to think of imposing some architecture are going to run contrary to Rich Sutton’s bitter lesson, which is that no, you just need to have methods that use computation to figure out what they should be doing and just only do things which scale nicely with computation. So how possible do you think it’s going to be to reconcile performance with architectures that actually help interpretability in a real way? Stephen Casper: Yeah, I expect this to be the case definitely somewhat. Most of the time when some type of interpretability tool is applied or a type of intrinsic interpretability tool is applied, task performance goes down. If you adversarially train an ImageNet network, it’s usually not going to do quite as well as a non adversarially-trained network on clean data. And obviously we also know it’s quite easy, it’s quite trivial to regularize a network to death. That’s about as simple as setting some hyperparameter too high. So there’s this question about: is there a good space to work in the middle between maximally performant networks and over-regularized impotent networks? And when framed that way, I think you see the answer I’m getting at. It’s probably something like: we just got to find the sweet spot and see how much of one we’re willing to trade off for the other. But we’re probably also going to find a lot of things that are just better than other things. Maybe like pruning - that’s an intrinsic interpretability tool. When you have a network that is more sparse and has fewer weights then you have less to scrutinize when you want to go and interpret it later, so it’s easier. Maybe this just isn’t as effective as an interpretability tool for the same cost in performance as something else. Maybe adversarial training is better for this one, for lots of classes of interpretability tools. And even if there is some sort of fundamental trade off, just maybe it’s not too big and maybe there are ways to minimize it by picking the right tools or combinations thereof. But I continue to be a little bit surprised at just how relatively little work there is on combining techniques and looking for synergies between them, for results-oriented goals involving interpretability or for engineering goals involving interpretability. So it could be the case that this isn’t that useful for having competitive performant networks, but I certainly still think it’s worth trying some more. Well, almost trying period, but working on in earnest. Critiques of the AI safety interpretability community Daniel Filan: So you brought this up as a complaint you had about the AI safety interpretability community, which I take to mean the community around, I don’t know, Anthropic, Redwood Research, people who are worried about AI causing existential risk. And you mentioned this as a thing that they could be doing better. I think maybe many of my listeners are from this community. Do you have other things that you think they could improve on? Stephen Casper: Yeah, and I enumerated a few of these in the Engineer’s Interpretability Sequence. And in one sense, the AI safety interpretability community is young and it is small, so obviously it’s not going to be able to do everything. And I think it’s probably about equally obvious that so much of what it is doing is very, very cool. We’re having this conversation and so many other people have so many other conversations about many interesting topics just because this community exists. So I want to be clear that I think it’s great. But I think the AI safety interpretability community also has a few blind spots. Maybe that’s just inevitable given its size. But the point we talked about involving mechanistic interpretability having two parts, and the first part being hard, is one of these. The relative lack of focus on intrinsic interpretability tools, like I mentioned, is another. And I also think that the AI safety interpretability community is sometimes a little bit too eager to just start things up and sometimes rename them and sometimes rehash work on them even though there are close connections to more mainstream AI literature. I know a couple of examples of this, but a strong one involves the study of disentanglement and polysemanticity and neural networks. This is something that I talked about a bit. I don’t want to overemphasize this point in the podcast, but we could talk a bit about one case study involving a possible insularity and possible isolation of research topics inside of the AI safety interpretability community. Daniel Filan: Yeah, sure. Stephen Casper: So we have this notion that’s pretty popular inside the interpretability community here of polysemanticity and superposition, and these are things that are bad or the enemies of useful, rigorous interpretability. And it’s pretty simple. The idea is that if a neuron responds to multiple distinct types of semantically different features, then it’s polysemantic. If there’s a neuron that fires for cats and for cars, we might call it polysemantic. And superposition is a little bit more of a general term that applies to a whole layer or something like this. A neuron is exhibiting superposition inasmuch as it is polysemantic and a layer is exhibiting superposition inasmuch as it represents concepts as linear combinations of neurons that are not all orthogonal. There’s crosstalk between the activation vectors that correspond to distinct concepts. And these are useful terms, but these terms are also very, very similar to things that have been studied before. The polysemanticity and superposition crowd has pointed out this similarity with sparse coding. But much more recently, there’s been a lot of work in the mainstream AI literature on disentanglement, and this goes back significantly before the literature on polysemanticity and superposition. And disentanglement just describes something very similar: it’s when there’s superposition or when for some reason or other you don’t just have a bijective mapping between neurons and concepts. And it’s not that renaming something is intrinsically bad, but I think for community reasons, there has been a bit of isolation between the AI safety interpretability community on this topic and then other research communities that’s been facilitated by having different vocabulary - and at best, this is a little bit confusing, and at worse, this could maybe lead to isolation among different researchers working on the same thing under different names. And there’s a case to be made that this is good. Sometimes studying things using different formalisms and different vocabularies can contribute to the overall richness of what is found. For example, studying Turing machines and studying lambda calculus, these both got us to the same place, but arguably we’ve had some richer insights as a result of studying both instead of just studying one. And this could be the case. But I think it’s important to emphasize maybe putting some more effort into avoiding rehashing and renaming work. Daniel Filan: So in the case of polysemanticity and disentanglement, I think it’s worth saying that I think one of the original papers on this topic talks about the relationship to disentanglement. But do you see there as being insights in the disentanglement literature that are just being missed? Can you go into more detail about what problems you think this is causing? Stephen Casper: Yeah, and it should be clear that there is citation. There are those pointers that exist, although arguably not discussed in the optimal way, but that’s less important. Here’s an example. So if we think about what the Distill and Anthropic communities, which are pretty prominent in the AI safety interpretability space, the types of work that they’ve done to solve this problem of superposition or entanglement. Most of the work that’s been done is to study it and characterize it and that’s great. But there’s roughly one example which I am very familiar with for explicitly combating polysemanticity and superposition and entanglement, and that is from the paper called Softmax Linear Units, which describes an activation function that is useful for reducing the amount of entanglement inside of these layers. And that activation function operates - the reason it works is because this is an example of an activation function that causes neurons to compete to be able to be activated. It’s just a mechanism for lateral inhibition, but lateral inhibition has been understood to be useful for reducing entanglement for a while now. There have been other works on lateral inhibition and different activation functions from the disentanglement literature, and there’s also been quite a few non-lateral inhibition ways of tackling the same problem as well from the disentanglement literature. And I think that the Softmax Linear Units work was very cool and very interesting, and I’m a smarter person because I’ve read it. But I’m also a smarter person because I have looked at some of these other works on similar goals, and I think things are a bit richer and a bit more well fleshed out on the other side of the divide between the AI safety interpretability community and the more mainstream ML community. So yeah, the Softmax Linear Unit paper was cool, but as we continue with work like this, I think it’ll be really useful to take advantage of the wealth of understanding that we have from a lot of work in the 2010s on disentanglement instead of just trying a few things ourselves, reinventing the wheel in some sense. Daniel Filan: Could you be more explicit about the problem you see here? Because I mean, in the paper about Softmax Linear Units, they do say, here are some things which could help with polysemanticity. And one of the things they mentioned is lateral inhibition. I don’t know if they talk about its presence in the disentanglement literature, but given that they’re using the same language for it, I’m not getting the impression that they had to reinvent the same idea. Stephen Casper: Yeah, I think the claim is definitely not that the authors of this paper were unaware of anything like this. I think the authors of this paper probably are, but the AI safety interpretability community as a whole I think is a little bit different. And as the result of what bounces in between this community as a social cluster… There’s a bit of a difference between that and what’s bouncing around elsewhere. And as a result, I think something like Softmax Linear Units might be overemphasized or thought of more in isolation as a technique for avoiding entanglement or superposition. While a good handful of other techniques are not emphasized enough. Maybe the key point here is just something that’s very, very simple, and it’s just that… just based on some kind of claim that it’s important to make sure that all relevant sources of insight are tapped into if possible. And the extent to which the AI safety community is guilty of being isolationist in different ways is probably debatable, probably not a very productive debate either. But regardless of that exact extent, I think it’s probably pretty useful to emphasize that lots of other similar things are going on in other places. Daniel Filan: And so it sounds like, just to check that I understand, it sounds like your concern is that people are reading, I don’t know, Anthropic papers or papers coming out of certain labs that are “in” this AI safety interpretability community. But there’s other work that’s just as relevant that might not be getting as much attention. Is that roughly what you think? Stephen Casper: Yeah, I think so. And I think this is an effect, and I’m also a victim of this effect. There’s so much literature out there in machine learning, you can’t read it all. And if you’re focused on the AI safety part of the literature a bit more, you’re going to be exposed to what people in the AI safety interpretability community are talking about. And so this is kind of inevitable. It’s something that’ll happen to some extent by default probably. And it happens to me with the information that I look at on a day-to-day basis. So maybe there’s some kind of point to be made about how it’s possible. I would say it’s probably pretty likely that it would be good to work to resist this a bit. Daniel Filan: Sure. I’m wondering if there are any specific examples of work that you think are maybe under-celebrated or little known in the AI safety interpretability community. Stephen Casper: So work from outside the community that’s under-celebrated inside of the AI safety interpretability community? Daniel Filan: Or even inside, but probably work outside… things that you think should be better known than they are inside this AI safety interpretability community? Stephen Casper: Yeah, I think that’s a really good question. I probably don’t have a commensurately good answer. And maybe my best version of the answer would involve me listing things involving adversaries or something like this. But I definitely am a fan of, let’s say one type of research. So yeah, there’s lots of answers to this and you can probably find versions of it in the Engineer’s Interpretability Sequence. But I’ll laser in on one that I think I’m pretty excited about, and that is on the automated synthesis of interesting classes of inputs in order to study the solutions learned by neural networks, particularly problems with them. And this should sound familiar because I think this is the stuff we’ve already talked about. Examples of this include synthesizing interesting adversarial features or examples of this include controllable generation. Examples of this include seeing what happens when you perturb model internals in particularly interesting ways in order to control the end behavior or the type of solution a network has learned. And I think there are examples of all of these things from the AI safety interpretability community because they’re relatively broad categories. But I think some of my favorite papers in lots of these spaces are from outside of the AI safety interpretability community, from different labs who really had adversaries. Yeah, I think my answer here is not the best, but… Daniel Filan: On that front, are there any labs in particular that you’d want to shout out as… Stephen Casper: For example, I think that the Madry Lab at MIT does really, really cool interpretability work, even though they probably don’t think of themselves as interpretability researchers and the AI safety interpretability community might not necessarily think of them as interpretability researchers either. At one point in time I constructed a list, based on my knowledge of the field, of papers from the adversaries and interpretability literature that seem to demonstrate some sort of very engineering-relevant and competitive capabilities for model diagnostics or debugging, doing stuff that engineers ought to be very interested in, using tools that are interpretability tools or similar. And this list is, I want to be clear, inevitably subjective and arbitrary and incomplete. But this list had, I think, 21 or 22 papers on it. And for what it’s worth, the majority of them, these papers, did not come from people who are prototypical members, or people who are a typical member of the AI safety interpretability community. Some did, and for those that didn’t, many of them are adjacent to the space. But I just think there’s a lot of cool stuff going on in a lot of places, I guess. Daniel Filan: Okay cool. Stephen Casper: Oh, by the way, this list is in the second to last post in the Engineer’s Interpretability Sequence, and it’s already outdated, I should say. Deceptive alignment and interpretability Daniel Filan: Sure, yeah, ML is proceeding at a quick pace. So one thing you also touch on, you said it a little bit earlier and you’ve touched on it in the piece, is the relationship between mechanistic interpretability and deceptive alignment. I’m wondering, what do you think the relationship between those things is? Stephen Casper: Yeah, I think it’s kind of like the relationship between interpretability and adversaries. I would describe the relationship between mechanistic interpretability and deceptive alignment as being one of inextricable connection. Understanding this probably requires me to clarify what I mean by deceptive alignment, because deceptive alignment has been introduced and defined colloquially. Imagine some sort of superintelligent system that wants to hide its misalignment from you so it actively tricks you into this in some way, shape or form. And it’s been described and characterized originally in early posts on the topic about something that is done actively by a system that has a model of itself and of you. And this is something that as alignment researchers we’re all very worried about. But I think there’s a more general or more distilled understanding of deception that can come with fewer details attached to it. And that is that if the system is deceptively aligned, whether its problems are being hidden from us actively or not, I think seems less important to an engineer. Just it’s that if the system is deceptively misaligned, it has problems, and those problems are going to be ones that are really, really hard to find during testing and evaluation, the types of things we’d normally easily be able to throw at models to figure out if they’re aligned with our goals or not. So basically it just means that the system has problems that are triggered by anomalous inputs. I would claim that this is something that is very general in a way that captures most of what we care about when it comes to deception. Let’s understand deception for at least the purpose of this conversation or the next few minutes as being an issue where a model is misaligned, but it’s hard to find the things that elicit the misaligned behavior. So why is mechanistic interpretability really key to deception in this sense? So there’s a really good example that illustrates a few points from, I think Paul Christiano originally introduced this, but there’s a deceptively aligned system that is really, really, really insidiously deceptive. So imagine, let’s go back to thinking about superintelligences. You have a superintelligent system that’s misaligned and has goals that are not your goals, but it understands your goals and it wants you to think that it has your goals and it wants to take over the world or maybe destroy the world. But it can’t try to do that in training or in simulation or in evaluation because then you’ll stop it, you’ll press the off switch or you’ll update it, you’ll fix something about it. But it wants to self preserve. So its strategy is to pick some sort of trigger to trigger its deceptive misaligned treacherous behavior, but something that’s not going to show up in training or evaluation, but instead something that’s going to show up eventually in deployment. And the example that Paul Christiano gave was picking some sort of cryptographic puzzle and waiting till it gets solved. And then acting treacherously once it has been solved. Because cryptographic puzzles take a long time to solve, and if you wait till one has been solved, you’re likely very far in the future and presumably in deployment. So the example Paul gave was waiting till the composite number RSA-2048 has been factored, and this is hard, like cryptographically hard. So the reason why this is a great example is because it illustrates a situation in which a system might actively want to be deceptive and might be deceptive in a way that is very, very, very insidious. This deception is cryptographically hard to find and provably cryptographically hard to find. It’s kind of trivial. Imagine you just have some language model and it will only ever output the words, “I will destroy the world” once it sees the factors of RSA-2048 inside of its input. So maybe there’s only one input that could ever cause this problem. So this is very, very challenging, and it illustrates the hard, at least in theory, part about using evals and any other types of tools to figure out problems in models. The proof that this is hard makes a black box assumption about the model. But if you assume you can open up the black box and characterize the system mechanistically, then you have a much better foothold or a much better chance of characterizing the deception in a tractable way or finding the bug in a tractable way. So this is why mechanistic interpretability, this is where it comes in as being something that’s so useful, at least in theory, or promising for alignment. It’s a type of tool that could help us figure out this problem mechanistically as opposed to from inputs and outputs. This is one of the reasons why it plays such a central role in any type of very rigorous agenda for building aligned, safe AI, because it deals with those model internals. And it’s one of two approaches, I think only two approaches, that are potentially useful for combating this type of deceptive failure. Daniel Filan: Well, now I want to know what do you think the other approach is? Stephen Casper: The other would be mechanistic adversarial training or latent adversarial training. Daniel Filan: Yeah, what’s that? Stephen Casper: So really concretely, imagine that the system that’s going to destroy the world once it sees the factors of RSA-2048, imagine concretely that there’s just a single neuron or something inside of it that detects whether this number has been factored or whether the factors have been shown, and then triggers some sort of circuit inside the model in order to enact the treacherous behavior. (And this is too simple, and more generally, it could be some sort of set of neurons or direction or circuit or anything like this, but just think about it as being a neuron for simplicity.) Just like mechanistic interpretability can help you find this neuron, latent adversarial training could give you perturbations to the model internals, such as this neuron, that are going to help to elicit potentially bad behavior during training so that you can make the model more robust, not just to attempted adversarial inputs that you find, but also synthetic adversarial inner hallucinations. It just might be a lot easier to make models hallucinate that they want to do something bad, hallucinate triggers for bad behavior, than to make them actually find those triggers for bad behavior in the input space. Daniel Filan: Yeah. And just to spell that out, I guess the idea is you find these inputs which make it do something bad during training, and then you just train it to not do that. Hopefully, you train it such that there’s no hallucination of some benign event where it goes evil, is my understanding. Stephen Casper: Yeah. Did you say inputs? But it can be the activations of any internal part of the… Daniel Filan: Yeah, yeah. One question I have about this approach is it seems like it’s very closely related to mechanistic interpretability. The reason being, for basically any output that your AI could have, there are cases where that output is desired. Otherwise, you could just set up a filter at the end of your AI, just make it impossible to have this output, right? Stephen Casper: Mm-hmm. Daniel Filan: And so you could imagine, for some undesired output, maybe there’s an early on neuron that checks if there’s some factorization of this really large number, and then it does this naughty thing. Or maybe somewhere else in the network, there’s this neuron that checks if there’s an actually really good reason to do this thing, which at first seems naughty, and then if there is a really good reason, then it does it. And by construction, if you’ve done things sensibly… For every output of your neural network, there must be some trigger that would make it a good idea. So it seems like in order to distinguish between hallucinations where it’s justified to do this thing versus hallucinations where it’s unjustified to do this thing, it seems like you need to have some mechanistic understanding of what’s going on inside the model. I’m wondering what you make of that claim. Stephen Casper: Yeah, this is a good point. And I think there are a few things I have in mind. One is that if you think of a classifier or some sort of discrete action space, if a network can only do a discrete set of things, then obviously you’re only going to design it to do the set of discrete things that you would ever want it to do. You’re never going to design a discrete action space for some sort of agent where one of the actions is destroy the world and everything else is benign. But for something where the outputs are non-discrete, like a language model, or the ability to detect whether something is bad, is not trivial, it’s not like if a single word has been said, then your system will usually be able to do things that are wrong that you’re not trivially able to detect. So for example, maybe you take a language model and you train it to never, ever, ever say an offensive word. That’s easy to supervise, and you could even design out the tokenizations of your list of offensive words and not even include them in the model’s ability to process anything. But the model still might be able to lie. You won’t be able to prevent it from lying using some type of approach like this. But then there’s the second point. You bring up this idea that if we can detect this… To the extent that we’re able to detect whether something’s a lie, then we can do something, likely an adversarial training. But if we can detect whether something’s a lie or something’s bad, then what’s the need for this? So yeah, why not just use a classifier as a filter or something? And this is kind of pointing out that if we’re really, really, really good at solving outer alignment, or figuring out how to specify our goals or recognize failure for a system, maybe this is a partial solution to just the inner alignment problem, which is all about getting systems to correctly optimize for what we tell them to optimize for. And I think this is very true. To the extent that we’re able to recognize failure, in theory, we can just always filter outputs that are bad. In practice, though, I think we’re going to run into challenges, largely involving efficiency. Maybe, as is assumed with something like reinforcement learning from human feedback, maybe our ability to recognize bad behavior is just by a human looking at something and telling whether or not it’s okay or whether it’s bad. That’s not something that we can very efficiently tack onto a system even in training, let alone deployment all the time. So we have to take these shortcuts. And I certainly would want it to be an additional tool in the toolbox, in addition to filters, to have the ability to train models that are more intrinsically
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Terminator 2: Judgment Day (NES)
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Terminator 2: Judgment Day is based on the movie of the same name. The player takes the role of the T-800 Terminator and has to protect John Connor from being terminated by the T-1000 Terminator.
The game is set over five levels with the following goals:
• Level 1: Acquire a weapon.
• Level 2: An isometric racing course on a motorcycle in which the player needs to out-run a tanker truck that is chasing them. This stage was omitted from the Game Gear version.
• Level 3: Locate and rescue Sarah Connor from the Pescadero asylum.
• Level 4: Plant explosive charges to destroy the Cyberdyne building.
• Level 5: Defeat the T-1000 within the steel mill.
Terminator 2: Judgment Day NES Splash screen
Terminator 2: Judgment Day NES Up on the tankers
Terminator 2: Judgment Day NES Terminated
Terminator 2: Judgment Day NES Level 2 is like Paperboy with big guns
Alternate Titles
• "T-2 ジャッジメント・デイ" -- Game Gear Japanese spelling
• "T2" -- Official abbreviation
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Voluntary Behavior, Conscious Thoughts
Skinner proposes a surprisingly easy way to dissolve the problem of what it means for an action to be "voluntary", or "under voluntary control".
We commonly perceive certain actions as under voluntary control: for example, I can control what words I'm typing right now, or whether I go out for dinner tonight. Other actions are not under voluntary control: for example, absent some exciting technique like biofeedback I can't control my heartbeat or my core body temperature or the amount of bile produced by my liver.
Other, larger-scale actions also get classified as involuntary. Many people consider sleepwalking involuntary, including the bizarre "sleep-eating" behaviors some people display on Ambien and related drugs. The tics of Tourette's are involuntary. Our emotions and preferences are at least a little involuntary: office workers might like to be able to will away their boredom, or mourners their sorrow, but most can't.
Here "involuntary" needs to be distinguished from "hard-to-resist". Most people do not define smoking as an involuntary behavior, because, although people may smoke even when they wish they wouldn't, they have the feeling that they could have chosen not to smoke, they just didn't.
The philosophy of voluntary versus involuntary behavior seems to run up against a wall when it hits the question of "what is truly me?". If we make the reductionist identification of "me" with "my brain", well, clearly it's my brain controlling sleepwalking and boredom, but it still doesn't feel like I am controlling these things. Trying to go deeper ends up hopelessly vague, usually with talk of "higher level brain processes" versus "lower level brain processes" and an identification of "myself" with the higher ones. There may be a role for this kind of talk, but it couldn't hurt to look for something more explanatory.
Skinner, true to his quest, explains the distinction without any discussion of "brain processes" or "self". He says that voluntary behavior is behav
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I am building a site in the 960 grid system CSS framework. Please view the first image to see my basic layout mockup (screen shot 003) - this is the mockup that represents the 960 px width. I actually would like the top header background and the mid region background to extend the entire width of the page and not be constrained within the 960 px - SO...
This is essentially what I've tried:
*This is a graphic that represents the exact colors and pixel dimensions
as the top of the webpage - this image is set to repeat horizontally.
body {
background-repeat: repeat-x;
*This is the container for the header. It has a solid background.
#containerone {
background-color: #c7ffff;
*This is the container and image for the midregion - it is mostly solid, but has a 2px contrasting border at the top and bottom of it, so it is set to repeat horizontally.
#containertwo {
background-image: url(../images/midbg.jpeg);
background-repeat: repeat;
Screen shot 004 is what the CODED site looks like in Firefox - perfect!
Screen shot 005 is what the coded site looks like in IE - as you can see it does not line up.... very very slightly.
Anyone know what might be happening? I have checked over the dimensions of everything a hundred times. I also have included a CSS reset to override any default IE styling.
Should I just do this another way? Any ideas are greatly appreciated.
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| | | Performance on Y | Performance on E |
| | | | MAE | MAE |
| Algorithm | k | Class. Accuracy | Discretized | Continuous | Discretized | Continuous |
| Baseline LASSO (Y) | NA | 0.4928 | 0.5072 | 8.6483 | NA | NA |
| Baseline RF (Y) | NA | 0.5217 | 0.4783 | 8.9447 | NA | NA |
| Multi-task | | | | | | |
| regression | NA | 0.4493 | 0.5507 | 11.4651 | 0.5034 | 3.6536 |
| (Y & E) | | | | | | |
| Multi-task | | | | | | |
| regression | NA | NA | NA | NA | 0.5124 | 3.3659 |
| (E only) | | | | | | |
| | 1 | 0.5362 | 0.5362 | 11.7542 | 0.5690 | 4.2050 |
| Embedding Y | 2 | 0.5362 | 0.4928 | 9.9780 | 0.4950 | 3.6555 |
| + | 5 | 0.6087 | 0.4058 | 9.2840 | 0.4516 | 3.3488 |
| kNN | 10 | 0.5652 | 0.4783 | 10.1398 | 0.4622 | 3.4128 |
| | 15 | 0.5362 | 0.4928 | 10.4433 | 0.4798 | 3.4012 |
| | 20 | 0.4783 | 0.5652 | 10.9867 | 0.4813 | 3.4746 |
| | 1 | 0.6087 | 0.4783 | 10.9306 | 0.5515 | 4.3547 |
| Pairwise Y | 2 | 0.5362 | 0.5072 | 10.9274 | 0.5095 | 3.9330 |
| + | 5 | 0.5507 | 0.4638 | 10.4720 | 0.4935 | 3.6824 |
| kNN | 10 | 0.5072 | 0.5072 | 10.7297 | 0.4912 | 3.5969 |
| | 15 | 0.5217 | 0.4928 | 10.6659 | 0.4889 | 3.6277 |
| | 20 | 0.4638 | 0.5507 | 10.5957 | 0.4889 | 3.6576 |
| | 1 | 0.6087 | 0.4493 | 11.4919 | 0.5728 | 4.2644 |
| Pairwise E | 2 | 0.4928 | 0.5072 | 9.7964 | 0.5072 | 3.7131 |
| + | 5 | 0.5507 | 0.4493 | 9.6680 | 0.4767 | 3.4489 |
| kNN | 10 | 0.5507 | 0.4493 | 9.9089 | 0.4897 | 3.4294 |
| | 15 | 0.4928 | 0.5072 | 10.1360 | 0.4844 | 3.4077 |
| | 20 | 0.4928 | 0.5072 | 10.0589 | 0.4760 | 3.3877 |
| | 1 | 0.6522 | 0.3913 | 10.4714 | 0.5431 | 4.0833 |
| Pairwise Y&E | 2 | 0.5362 | 0.4783 | 10.0081 | 0.4882 | 3.6610 |
| + | 5 | 0.5652 | 0.4638 | 10.0519 | 0.4622 | 3.4735 |
| kNN | 10 | 0.5072 | 0.5217 | 10.3872 | 0.4653 | 3.4786 |
| | 15 | 0.5072 | 0.5217 | 10.7218 | 0.4737 | 3.4955 |
| | 20 | 0.4493 | 0.5797 | 10.8590 | 0.4790 | 3.5027 |
Table 1: Accuracy of predicting Y and E for ISIC (left) and Olfactory (right) using different
methods (Section [3.2](#S3.SS2 "3.2 Candidate Approaches ‣ 3 Methods")). For ISIC, Baseline for Y and
E are classification networks. For Olfactory, Baseline LASSO and RF predict Y from X. Multi-task LASSO
regression with ℓ21 regularization on the coefficient matrix
predicts Y&E together, or just E. For both, Multi-task learning predicts both Y and E together, Embedding Y + kNN uses the embedding from the last hidden layer of the baseline network that predicts Y. Pairwise Y + kNN and Pairwise E + kNN use the cosine embedding loss in
([1](#S3.E1 "(1) ‣ 3.2.4 Pairwise Loss for Improved Embeddings ‣ 3.2 Candidate Approaches ‣ 3 Methods")) and ([2](#S3.E2 "(2) ‣ 3.2.4 Pairwise Loss for Improved Embeddings ‣ 3.2 Candidate Approaches ‣ 3 Methods")) respectively to optimize the embeddings of X. Pairwise Y & E + kNN uses the sum of cosine embedding losses in ([3](#S3.E3 "(3) ‣ 3.2.4 Pairwise Loss for Improved Embeddings ‣ 3.2 Candidate Approaches ‣ 3 Methods")) to optimize the embeddings of X.
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4.3 Melanoma
We use all the approaches proposed in Section [3.2](#S3.SS2 "3.2 Candidate Approaches ‣ 3 Methods") to
obtain results for the Melanoma dataset: (a) simple regression
baselines for predicting Y and for predicting E,
(b) multi-task classification to
predict Y and E together,
(c) kNN using embeddings from the
simple regression network (Y), and
from the baseline E network,
(d) kNN using embeddings optimized
for pairwise loss using Y, and using E.
We do not obtain
embeddings using weighted pairwise loss with Y and E because there
is a one-to-one map from E to Y in this dataset.
The networks used a modified PyTorch
implementation of AlexNet for fine-tuning (Krizhevsky et al., [2012](#bib.bib21)).
We simplified the fully connected layers for the regression variant of
AlexNet to 1024-ReLU-Dropout-64-n, where n=1 for predicting Y,
and n=11 for predicting E.
We used cross-entropy losses.
In the multi-task case for predicting
Y and E together, the convolutional layers were shared and two
separate sets of fully connected layers with 1 and 11 outputs were
used. The multi-task network used a weighted sum of regression losses
for Y and E: lossY+λlossE. All these
single-task and multi-task networks were trained for 100 epochs with
a batch size of 64. The embedding layer that provides the
64−dimensional output had a learning rate of 0.01, whereas all
other layers had a learning rate of 0.001. For training the
embeddings using pairwise losses, we used 100,000 pairs chosen from
the training data, and optimized the loss for 15 epochs.
The hyper-parameters
(m1,m2) were set to (0.75,0.75), and were chosen to based on
the validation set performance.
For the loss
([1](#S3.E1 "(1) ‣ 3.2.4 Pairwise Loss for Improved Embeddings ‣ 3.2 Candidate Approaches ‣ 3 Methods")), a and b were said to be neighbors if
ya=yb and non-neighbors otherwise. For the loss
([2](#S3.E2 "(2) ‣ 3.2.4 Pairwise Loss for Improved Embeddings ‣ 3.2 Candidate Approaches ‣ 3 Methods")), a and b were said to be neighbors if
za=zb and non-neighbors ya≠yb. The pairs where za≠zb, but ya=yb were not considered.
The left side of Table [1](#S4.T1 "Table 1 ‣ 4.2 Metrics ‣ 4 Evaluation") provides accuracy numbers for Y and E using the proposed approaches. Numbers in bold are the best for a metric among an algorithm. The Y and E accuracies for multi-task and kNN approaches are better than that the baselines, which clearly indicates the value in sharing information between Y and E. The best accuracy on Y is obtained using the Pairwise E + kNN approach, which is not surprising since E contains Y and is more granular than Y. Pairwise Y + kNN approach has a poor performance on E since the information in Y is too coarse for predicting E well.
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4.4 Olfactory
Since random forest was the winning entry on this dataset (Keller et al., [2017](#bib.bib19)), we used a random forest regression to pre-select 200 out of 4869 features for subsequent modeling. From these 200 features, we created a base regression network using fully connected hidden layer of 64 units (embedding layer), which was then connected to an output layer. No non-linearities were employed, but the data was first transformed using log10(100+x) and then the features were standardized to zero mean and unit variance. Batch size was 338, and the network with pairwise loss was run for 750 epochs with a learning rate of 0.0001. For this dataset, we set (c1,c2,c3,c4,m1,m2,w) to (10,20,0.0272,0.0272,0.25,0.25,1.0). The parameters were chosen to maximize performance on the validation set.
The right side of Table [1](#S4.T1 "Table 1 ‣ 4.2 Metrics ‣ 4 Evaluation") provides accuracy numbers in a similar format as the left side. The results show, once again, improved Y accuracy over the baseline for Pairwise Y + kNN and Pairwise Y & E + kNN and corresponding improvement for MAE for Y. Again, this performance improvement can be explained by the fact that the predictive accuracy of Y given E using the both baselines were 0.8261, with MAEs of 0.1739 and 3.4154 (4.0175 for RF) for Discretized and Continuous, respectively. Once again, the accuracy of E varies among the 3 kNN techniques with no clear advantages. The multi-task linear regression does not perform as well as the Pairwise loss based approaches that use non-linear networks.
5 Discussion
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Hind et al. ([2019](#bib.bib17)) discuss the additional labor required for
providing training explanations. Researchers (Zaidan & Eisner, [2008](#bib.bib37); Zhang et al., [2016](#bib.bib38); McDonnell et al., [2016](#bib.bib25)) have
quantified that for an expert SME, the
time to add labels and explanations is often the same as just adding
labels and cite other benefits, such
as improved quality and consistency of the resulting training data set.
Furthermore, in some instances, the kNN instantiation of TED may require no extra labor. For example, when embeddings are used as search criteria for
evidence-based predictions of queries, end users will, on average, naturally interact with search results that are similar to the query in explanation space. This query-result interaction activity inherently provides similar and dissimilar pairs in the explanation space that can be used to refine an embedding initially optimized for the predictions alone. This reliance on relative distances in explanation space is also what distinguishes this method from multi-task learning objectives, since absolute labels in explanation space need not be defined.
6 Conclusion
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The societal demand for “meaningful information” on
automated decisions has sparked significant research in AI explanability.
This paper
describes two novel instantiations of the TED framework. The first learns feature embeddings using labels and explanation similarities in a joint and aligned way to permit neighbor-based explanation prediction. The second uses labels and explanations together in a multi-task setting.
We have demonstrated these two instantiations on a publicly-available olfactory pleasantness dataset (Keller et al., [2017](#bib.bib19)) and Melanoma detection dataset (Codella et al., [2018a](#bib.bib6)). We hope this work will inspire other researchers to further enrich this paradigm.[SEP]
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[CLS]tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32849420710247214162018-05-11T02:15:45.406-06:00Desert RiffsThoughts from the Great Southwest DesertGordon MacDiarmidhttps://plus.google.com/[email protected]:blogger.com,1999:blog-3284942071024721416.post-29759714531828937632018-05-11T02:12:00.002-06:002018-05-11T02:12:48.510-06:00It Wasn't Good Enough.Some of us thought it was settled. How could any reasonable, intelligent Person think otherwise? We settled it, didn't we? We started the downfall of the racists, sexists, warmongers, greedy corporate bastards; it's over, right?<br /><br />I had my skull cracked open in Boston in the 70s, 60s(?) I got sent home by the niftiest preacher I ever met in the 60s, when they were approaching Selma. I can't, though I should remember his name; I will never forget his face, though. He had the coolest mustache I'd seen and skin like milk chocolate. A bunch of us got arrested in NYC. It was an adventure, a cause; it was immensely important. But it wasn't good enough.<br /><br />We were so proud, because so much happened; but it wasn't good enough.<br /><br />Now here we are. For folks with different skin, religion or gender it really hasn't changed much. I was stupid enough to believe We made a real difference. DOH!.<br /><br />We did make a difference, though. Not enough difference, but a difference. It was a start, things changed if even just a bit.<br /><br />So maybe we started something, or continued it. There were the Suffragettes. Ludlow, Blair Mountain and others.<br /><br />But it wasn't good enough.<br /><br />So maybe the Parkland Kids, Me Too and others can keep it going. Someday the People will win over the Neo-Nazis, the Steve Bannon type low-life scumbags, Billionaire Robber Barons, Chicken Hawks like Bolton (How did that lowlife get another position? Is he connected to the Russians, too?).<br /><br />Maybe We can do it? We The People can get Our Country back from the self-serving Lowlifes.<br /><br />We just have to keep on trying until it is good enough.<br /><div><br /></div><div class="blogger-post-footer">Desert Riffs, Opinions from the Southwest</div>Gordon MacDiarmidhttps://plus.google.com/[email protected]:blogger.com,1999:blog-3284942071024721416.post-17966656832702441452018-05-11T02:08:00.002-06:002018-05-11T02:10:46.708-06:00It's Not A Reality Show.There's more to it. I understand how angry folks are at the government. Things have been messed up, things don't always work right; often the agencies stand in the way of getting what we want. But it's not the fault of the agencies, as much as the fault of the elected officials; the party morons who get rich helping the rich and big corporations.<br /><br />The Health care act is screwed up because the Elected officials who work for the HMOs screwed it up for their benefit. The VA is messed up because of the regulations and rules were paid for by billion dollar health care corporations. Our Country is no longer about the American People; it's about big corporations and billionaires and the campaign contributions.<br /><br />Putin and Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu run the same type of country now. If you want to be rich and successful in business, you will funnel money their way; you will do as they wish. Putin and Netanyahu want to co-rule the middle east. They want all the oil, too. Oil still means money. Putin wants to control the oil and Netanyahu wants to control the middle east.<br />Now they have trump doing their bidding. Trump may be the dumbest person on the planet. He needs to know that the presidency is NOT a reality show, and it's not about ratings.<br /><br />Now our Moron in chief has given the North Korean Hitler exactly what he wanted; recognition from the US. and what did we get in return?<br /><br />Who ever thought that KKK Sessions would act heroically? I believe he did it to cover his own ass, but none the less.<br />Our President (did you ever think you would miss "Dubya"?) Has played into the hands of 2 of the worst leaders in the world; for good ratings. He is stupidly dangerous, completely narcissistic.<br /><br />He won the election with the help of Putin's FSB Oligarchs and is now doing as they wish. More than anything, years ago he expressed a drooling desire to be friends with Putin, and has pursued this end like a 16 year old seeking an autograph from a pop star.<br /><br />Some of my Super - right leaning friends found out how much I love this country. They found how much I disagree with some of the things it has done; the Vietnam War, Iraq War, torture, Racist policies. The list goes on. Steve Bannon wanted to "burn it down" and Trump didn't care as long as he got good ratings.<br /><br />Now the some of the Republicans are helping him get around the law; more than anything Our Country is based on the rule of law. It used to be. As I mentioned, it is now based on the new golden rule:"Whoever has the gold, makes the rules." If you have a few billion, you can change things, if not you're screwed.<br /><br />But wait; the parkland kids are still a hope for those of us who love Our Country. There is still a chance to get it back. We are the ones who rule the country. Vote the Neo-Nazis, the racists, the golden rule bastards out. Start this November; get rid of the crooks.<br /><br />After all, it's not a reality show, it's Our Country.<div class="blogger-post-footer">Desert Riffs, Opinions from the Southwest</div>Gordon MacDiarmidhttps://plus.google.com/[email protected]:blogger.com,1999:blog-3284942071024721416.post-50770727226543648912012-05-22T04:55:00.000-06:002012-05-22T04:55:45.477-06:00Aunt Edna part 2Well Howdy,<br /><br />Aunt Edna and the kids are doing fine, Uncle Arthur made such a hit in the choir that he goes to practice 3 times a week. We haven't had the heart to tell Aunt Edna That choir practice is only on Wednesday nights.<br /><br />Milly and the seven kids are going to marry Heck Ramsey and his trailer. Her ex, Bobby-Joe, took it in stride; he told Billy McCoy that her jeans didn't fit, anyway. <br /><br />Hal and the boys are still up to Sauder Crick. Mrs. Adele still sends him fifty dollars care of General Delivery up in Sauderville. She says he'll probably come home if he runs out of money. <br /><br />Cousin Bill is back in school, but he got in to a big fight with his algebra teacher. Seems Miss Adams was explaining that "Pie are square." and Bill took issue with that hollering that "any damn fool knows pie are round, cornbread are square". Miss Adams sent him to the principal.<br /><br />Guess that's about it for now.<br /><br />Elias T. Pottrattle<div class="blogger-post-footer">Desert Riffs, Opinions from the Southwest</div>Gordon MacDiarmidhttps://plus.google.com/[email protected]:blogger.com,1999:blog-3284942071024721416.post-31879796226039929712012-05-22T04:53:00.000-06:002012-05-22T04:56:40.414-06:00Aunt Edna part 1Well Howdy,<br /><br />Uncle Arthur is now singing in the church choir ever since Edna found him in the choir loft with the new soprano. <br /><br />Milly and the seven kids moved to Heck Ramsey's trailer, across the park from the old one. As she put it, "they all look like him anyway." Her husband Bobby-Joe says that now the divorce is final he may have a chance to get in her jeans, as she left a couple of pair behind.<br /><br />Cousin Jeb growed a foot, and Aunt Matilda says it's a pity it didn't grow where he lost the one in the sawmill accident.<br /><br />Hal and the boys ran up to Sauder Crick a week Tuesday, and ain't been heard from since. Mrs. Adele says that he'll be back oncet he runs out of cash money and promptly sent him fifty dollars care of General Delivery up in Sauderville.<br /><br />Cousin Bill done dropped out of school but Aunt Ethel says he's OK as he landed in the bushes and they broke his fall. Her husband Will, has taken to wearing girly underwear, since she found bra and panties in the glove box of his pickup.<br /><br />Elias T. Pottrattle<div class="blogger-post-footer">Desert Riffs, Opinions from the Southwest</div>Gordon MacDiarmidhttps://plus.google.com/[email protected]:blogger.com,1999:blog-3284942071024721416.post-42398184992397098012010-10-07T16:32:00.001-06:002011-03-21T16:56:55.147-06:00Autumn's FirstAutumn's First<br /><br />I remember many firsts throughout my life. The first time I saw the stars, unfettered by the ambient lights of a city. The first day of school, of summer camp. The first book I read without being told to do so; which was The Martian Chronicles by Ray Bradbury(and will explain much to those who know me). The first time I ever, umm; well I was much older then and it's really no one's business.<br /><br />For nearly all of those, the magic of that first moment never returns; except in the yellow-edged pages of memory. While this is often sufficient for dotards like myself, it is still not the same.<br /><br />Be not saddened, my fellow travelers. At least for me, there is one first that always returns. No matter how many years pass, this one delight is always as excellent an experience as the first time it happened. It happens this time every year, while the earth rotates away from the Summer sun. The trees and birds and other living things know it, sense it perhaps, before we humans realize. And so Autumn creeps upon us, swirling yellow and orange leaves across the fields and pavements. So we leave our car air conditioners off at last, swish open the curtains and raise the windows at home; letting the last of Summer out and the first of Autumn in to our lives.<br /><br />I ignored the mailbox on the way in, the almost full trash can could wait to receive it's allotment of flyers and ads. I dismissed the hum of the fans, the hushed electronic jibbering of my computers. Abandoning my backpack to a convenient kitchen chair, I opened the zippered front pocket and retrieved my magic orb. Stopping only to give it a perfunctory rinsing, I lifted it to my face and bit deeply.<br /><br />There are no words, at least in English, to describe it. It's the essence of what is kindly provided by our planet, perhaps the reason that Druids worshiped trees. The sweet-tart snap of its skin against my teeth and the scent and taste filled my every sense at once. There is no drug, no other physical pleasure that equals this; and every time is like the very first time.<br /><br />I savored that McIntosh Apple as long as I might. The Autumn's first, brought from the hither lands by a dear friend who actually paid attention (apparently and most surprisingly) to my rants. There is only one apple, of course, and that is the McIntosh. All others are pale imitations, mongrels and thoroughly incapable of eliciting this response. I ate everything but the seeds, and I considered that for a moment. If this was the apple that tempted Eve to the tree of knowledge (historically I concede that it was a pomegranate), I completely understand.<br /><br />Now alas, I shall have to wait another year for this, but I assure you, the wait is well worth it.<div class="blogger-post-footer">Desert Riffs, Opinions from the Southwest</div>Gordon MacDiarmidhttps://plus.google.com/[email protected]:blogger.com,1999:blog-3284942071024721416.post-13692178373192594622010-06-17T07:30:00.001-06:002010-06-17T07:33:49.610-06:00It's really very simple<ol><li>BP halts all operations in the US</li><li>BP's drilling permits are all rescinded, all drilling ceases immediately</li><li>BP goes into international receivership until the spill is cleaned up and all claims are paid</li><li>BP is no longer in charge of the cleanup, BP employees are subject to arrest if found anywhere in the area, especially the lawyers</li><li>Any claims that have been paid are voided and will not serve to exonerate BP</li><li>BP is forbidden to sell or produce and distribute dividends or bonuses until the cleanup is over</li><li>BP will no longer be allowed to operate in the US or its territories EVER</li><li>CEO, and project manager for BP are arrested without bail until the courts clear this up</li><li>ANYONE who utters the words "Drill Baby, Drill" will be arrested, shot, hung and then shot again to be sure<br /></li></ol><div class="blogger-post-footer">Desert Riffs, Opinions from the Southwest</div>Gordon MacDiarmidhttps://plus.google.com/[email protected] Rancho, NM 87124, USA35.445229700000013 -106.853238135.030996200000011 -107.4986851 35.859463200000015 -106.2077911tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3284942071024721416.post-44144246287786907122009-10-01T18:45:00.001-06:002009-10-01T18:45:36.094-06:00My country, right or wrongI remember when I was a boy and I heard repeated time and time again the phrase, 'My country, right or wrong, my country!' How absolutely absurd is such an idea. How absolutely absurd to teach this idea to the youth of the country.<br /><br />Against our traditions we are now entering upon an unjust and trivial war, a war against a helpless people, and for a base object - robbery. At first our citizens spoke out against this thing, by an impulse natural to their training. Today they have turned, and their voice is the other way. What caused the change? Merely a politician's trick - a high-sounding phrase, a blood-stirring phrase which turned their uncritical heads: Our Country, right or wrong! An empty phrase, a silly phrase. It was shouted by every newspaper, it was thundered from the pulpit, the Superintendent of Public Instruction placarded it in every schoolhouse in the land, the War Department inscribed it upon the flag. And every man who failed to shout it or who was silent, was proclaimed a traitor - none but those others were patriots. To be a patriot, one had to say, and keep on saying, "Our Country, right or wrong," and urge on the little war. Have you not perceived that that phrase is an insult to the nation?<br /><br />For in a republic, who is "the Country"? Is it the Government which is for the moment in the saddle? Why, the Government is merely a servant - merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn't. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them. Who, then, is "the country?" Is it the newspaper? Is it the pulpit? Is it the school-superintendent? Why, these are mere parts of the country, not the whole of it; they have not command, they have only their little share in the command. They are but one in the thousand; it is in the thousand that command is lodged; they must determine what is right and what is wrong; they must decide who is a patriot and who isn't.<br /><br /><br />Mark Twain ca 1907<div class="blogger-post-footer">Desert Riffs, Opinions from the Southwest</div>Gordon MacDiarmidhttps://plus.google.com/[email protected]:blogger.com,1999:blog-3284942071024721416.post-91666104313045907542009-09-17T22:54:00.001-06:002009-09-17T22:54:38.298-06:00The Albuquerque Police took my license plate away - Noderick's MySpace Blog |<a href="http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=377241010&blogId=510625220">The Albuquerque Police took my license plate away - Noderick's MySpace Blog |</a><br /><br />Shared via <a href="http://addthis.com">AddThis</a><br /><div class="blogger-post-footer">Desert Riffs, Opinions from the Southwest</div>Gordon MacDiarmidhttps://plus.google.com/[email protected]:blogger.com,1999:blog-3284942071024721416.post-31318958172752033212009-06-17T22:58:00.001-06:002009-06-17T23:04:33.420-06:00The stupidest thing I've ever doneIf the headache creeping up the back of my neck is any indicator, I'm gonna feel just awful tomorrow.<br /><br />I have been a sober alcoholic for almost 15 years. I am not "born again" about it, I neither preach to or disdain those who do drink. Enjoy with my blessing, it is just not an option for me. You don't have to hide the liquor around me, I am truly not dangerous that way. If I was diabetic, I wouldn't eat candy; I am an alcoholic, so I don't drink alcohol. It's that simple.<br /><br />It was a long hard fight to give it up, I won't give you details. If you have gone through it, you don't need my description. If you are not an alcoholic who has quit, you could not understand. It is a test of will that rivals anything else I have experienced. I have had a few trials in my life. I have come through them and become a measurably better person because of them, at least measurable to me.<br /><br />This week at work, has been another trial for me. Nearly everyone has had those kind of times at work. The severity and frequency of these "tests" depends on where you work. I put in extra time last weekend to help fix a problem, not created by me. I have worked 32 hours since Monday at my regular job and a few extra on side jobs. In 2 hours on my "side jobs", I make more than I do all day at my regular job. Oh, I am a self-designated "Techno-Geek" and rather proud of it. I work in a call center (a small one), in the field and sometimes (big sigh) I get to climb Towers.<br /><br />Peter is a personal client, who has rapidly become a friend. He is an Author and generally smart guy, who is just fun to talk with. If I had more time, I would go hang out with him just for the hell of it. I just don't know enough people that smart. The project for today was twofold: assist him in getting used to the interface on his new computer, remove a DVD recorder from the older computer, and install it in the new one. Even though I was pretty exhausted, I was looking forward to it.<br /><br />We were nearing the end of the DVD installation, things were fairly disorganized. Peter always has something interesting for me to drink, last time it was pomegranate soda. This time I stuck with water. Peter is a piler. His desks are piled with manuscript and pictures, and he makes no lame excuses about his filing system, he is humorously aware.<br /><br />I was bent over his new Dell, cursing inwardly at the annoying clips that are so common on cheaply manufactured cases. Peter and I were either bantering or I was instructing him about something. I was not paying attention, I was worn out, I was bent over at the waist swearing (silently) at a computer case. I reached for my glass of water and took a large, thirsty swig.<br /><br />It was Peter's Vodka on the rocks.<br /><br />It was down my throat before I felt the sting, realized what had just happened. It was Stoli's. I could smell the vapors even as I was saying "what was that.." I didn't need to finish the question.<br /><br />I would like to think I can describe anything, but I can't find the words to describe the mix of feelings that rushed over me right then. I was devastated and confused, and all at once I was drunk. I wasn't very drunk, mind you, I had less than 2 ounces of watered down alcohol in me. I was surprised at how much effect it had on me - it had been 15 years (almost) since I last touched the stuff. but compared to being stone cold sober for all that time, I was plastered.<br /><br />Me, I was a happy drunk, all those years ago. Folks bought me drinks because I was funny, and I played the guitar and sang. I had always enjoyed getting toasted, and I never got violent or weepy. When I played at parties, the hosts would let me know when they wanted everyone to leave and I could play three or four ballads and have the partiers falling asleep all mellow and no one fought about car keys, etc.<br /><br />So now what? I have to admit there was a fleeting second when I felt the urge, to go for more. It made me smile that such a thought had entered my brain. I truly do not wish to go down that road again, ever. I turned my thinking to more practical things like; "I had better get some food and lots of fluids in me soon" and "will I be able to drive?"<br /><br />There was still a couple or three "Uh-Ohs" lurking in my inebriated head. I had doubts about my ability to resist, it is a powerful drug. I had a bit of a pep-talk with myself in the car, "Self" I said, "There is no effing way you are going down that road again". I was successful in that; I didn't stop to get more booze, I got my ass home and ate dinner.<br /><br />The 2nd Uh-oh isn't so easy. I blew it. Accidental or not, I blew 15 years of sobriety with one mistake. It doesn't matter that it was less than 2 ounces, and I was only woozy for about 15 minutes. It doesn't matter that I will have no more. I blew it.<br /><br />I am proud of the way I handled it. It would have been easy to slide into that hole, again, but I didn't. For years after I quit, I kept a bottle of Chivas in plain view; there is no point in saying you quit, if the site of the bottle is enough to put you over the edge. I don't know what happened to it, most likely I gave it away. (and NO April, Jack Daniels is not whiskey, it's Diesel fuel). My big question is, "Do I have to re-start the clock?" In all fairness to anyone who has gone through it, it's day 1 again. I'll have to think about it.<br /><br />Geez, I'm gonna feel like shit, tomorrow.<br /><br />End ><div class="blogger-post-footer">Desert Riffs, Opinions from the Southwest</div>Gordon MacDiarmidhttps://plus.google.com/[email protected]:blogger.com,1999:blog-3284942071024721416.post-32235984968107436042009-05-22T10:55:00.002-06:002009-05-22T10:56:03.954-06:00Enough Is EnoughBecause of the parking situation where I live, I have found it easier to park in the back of the place. It is only accessible from the dirt alley, which is strewn with broken glass, dogshit, and trash blowing along the ground. The good part of this is that I can see my car out the window over the top of my main computer screens.<br /><br />Lately, I've found my car covered in crap, which seemed like it dropped in from the sky. I had no proof but, it seemed the upstairs neighbor's kids, were throwing things out the window on my car. I stoically washed the junk off and headed for work, but I was pretty sure I would catch them in the act someday.<br /><br />For a little background...When I sold my last house, all I wanted was some place temporary where I didn't have to worry about roofs and leaks, etc. I was sort of burned out on the home repair scene. However, I am renting this place from the worst management company imaginable. If anything ever does get done it is done wrong the first 3 times, and generally I have had to do the repairs myself. I have been told I am not allowed to do those repairs, or turn on the cooler, flush the water heater, etc. I usually don't call in maintenance requests, because it's faster, easier and less expensive to fix it myself, then repair it after one of their idiot contractors screws it up more.<br /><br />When I first moved in I was surrounded by old couples and hippie types, and we frequently hung out in my back yard. We played music, burned stuff on the grill and generally had a good time. When I did the first cleanup on my toxic backyard (it was unbelievably bad), many of my neighbors came by to help and one brought a gallon of homemade lemonade.<br /><br />They slowly moved away and I am now surrounded by junkies, hookers, and illegal immigrants. the neighborhood is going to hell.<br /><br />Last evening, while fiddling at my main computer I saw the contents of a potted plant drop out of the sky, and land atop my car. I might have actually said "Aha!" but I'm not sure. I hustled around the back, and there were the 3 upstairs delinquents hurrying back into their apartment, ducking out of site. I hollered up at the open window, "Did you think that was funny?" and some other less savory things which I will leave out of this missive.<br /><br />The 13 yr old teenage girl told me she didn't want to hear my "fucking attitude" (I pity whoever is stupid enough to hook up with this one). I dialed 911. In my neighborhood, the response time is usually something over 90 minutes, unless you tell them you shot someone. Surprisingly, the cops showed up in under 10 minutes.<br /><br />Three officers showed up. They knocked on my door by reaching around from their position, flattened against the outside wall. I actually didn't see them there at first. I led them through the place and showed them what had happened, explaining that I really didn't want to make trouble for little kids but enough is enough. They asked me if the hose was mine and could they use it, I replied in the affirmative.<br /><br />The three cops came back with three kids and a Dad (? guardian, uncle, boyfriend?) and they proceeded to wash my car while I watched. I remained silently in the background, I offered no hints and refrained from telling them they missed a spot. When they were through the Dad and the 2 boys lined up and apologized, and I shook their hands in turn. The 13 year old bitch was not in evidence.<br /><br />I must say it was immensely satisfying and it restored my faith in our police. The kids (except the little bitch) seemed genuinely contrite, and I spoke briefly with the "Dad" explaining that I wouldn't have called if they had not ignored my previous pleas to get the kids to act like humans. I did not phrase it that way, his English was worse than my Spanish but we made nice.<br /><br />END>.<div class="blogger-post-footer">Desert Riffs, Opinions from the Southwest</div>Gordonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/[email protected]:blogger.com,1999:blog-3284942071024721416.post-34597825662653641232009-04-14T01:50:00.001-06:002009-04-14T01:53:27.314-06:00Open Question: Kissable FacesI'm seriously looking for input. Comments are welcome<br /><br />Do you know anyone like that? Someone with a face you want to kiss?<br /><br />Would you risk it, regardless of the consequences? (there would likely be consequences)<br /><br />I'm talking about a strictly friendly action, a reaction to an adorable friend, who means a great deal to me.<br /><br />I don't know.... hmmm, what have I got to lose? (possibly my gonads)<br /><br />Do you think it would be mis-interpreted? We have established that my adorable friend is not attracted to me. That much has been settled. We do seem to be great friends, though (at least from my perspective).<br /><br />It's too easy for that kind of thing to be mistaken for a come-on, don't you think? It wouldn't be a come on, but there is a bit of a history involving me and my big mouth (Over the years I have learned when to keep my mouth shut. This does not mean I WILL keep my mouth shut, but I always know when I SHOULD).<br /><br />That face has been just asking for it; not my friend, herself, just her face. Sometimes, when she makes me smile, I want to lean over and kiss her cheek. Sometimes it happens when she smiles. Even if the gesture was interpreted correctly, it may not be welcome (and then there is that bit about the gonads to consider).<br /><br />Three last points:<br /><br />If it were a welcome expression of affection, it's not likely my adorable friend would let me know or hint at it in any way.<br /><br />If it would screw up, what I think is a really great friendship, I'd just as soon skip it and never mention it to her. (although now that I think of it, she will probably read this - gulp!)<br /><br />It might make her uncomfortable. Kissable face or not, I don't want to do that!<br /><br />So come on guys and gals, give an old fellow a hand. Tell me what you think.<br /><br />Should I or shouldn't I?<br /><br />Oh yeah, and if you hear me talking in a high, squeaky voice, you'll know what happened.<br /><br />end><div class="blogger-post-footer">Desert Riffs, Opinions from the Southwest</div>Gordon MacDiarmidhttps://plus.google.com/[email protected]:blogger.com,1999:blog-3284942071024721416.post-25226192408570048382009-04-11T09:41:00.001-06:002009-04-11T10:11:10.877-06:00Goodbye MontanaI signed the final papers on the Montana property, yesterday. It is officially "NOT MINE" anymore. I have lost the long battle, and I am worn out.<br /><br />Besides being the last vestige of my life long battle against the stupidity and greed of American culture, it represented my retirement, which is likely going to be Social Security, if it still exists by then. I'm not sure why I didn't foresee this possibility.<br /><br />It represented much more to me; freedom, respect for the planet, my Heather and so much more. It is more heart-breaking than I could explain. It was 126 acres of old-growth forest, many of the trees were there before the Native American tribes. The land was alive with wild horses, wolves, bears and an awesome array of plants and animals.<br /><br />I protected it as well as I could, for as long as I was able. At least it is going to the Sierra Club, they may be able to keep it protected. If the world does go to hell in a hand basket, I would have liked to have been there. Ah well.<br /><br />Still I am the eternal optimist, I have started over before (of course I was much younger then), and I am willing to do it again.<br /><br />Last night I deleted the 2 albums of Montana pics, I didn't know I was going to write this. I uploaded the ones I could locate easily, but I can't remember all the captions. So if anyone is actually interested they are back up. (does anyone actually read this?)<br /><br />here's a link to the Montana Album on My Space<br /><a href="http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=377241010&albumId=1223909">Montana Pics </a><br /><br />Oh yeah, Goodbye Montana.<br /><br />END><div class="blogger-post-footer">Desert Riffs, Opinions from the Southwest</div>Gordon MacDiarmidhttps://plus.google.com/[email protected]:blogger.com,1999:blog-3284942071024721416.post-64473877285774706652009-04-04T00:45:00.001-06:002009-04-04T00:51:28.580-06:00DefragIt was the first moment of peace I had in weeks. Ok it was a little late, but it had been a while since I played. I played the unfinished tracks over and over again. I still just wanted to get toasted and forget this bloody week ever happened. I had been neglecting the few songs I managed to choke out, for quite a while. I admit I have been having a pretty
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, the funders don’t care about any abuses going on. But you are correct; there are far more “good guys” in start-ups than the notorious “baddies”. You just don’t hear about them very often.
26. Jules the Third
Hang on – there’s no HR, but is this boss the CEO? If not, then DOCUMENT DOCUMENT DOCUMENT and take it to GrandBoss, with a ‘you’re going to lose employees and we can’t afford the kind of turnover this is going to drive’.
It is best to do that with another job offer in hand, I have to admit. That’s what I did in the small startup non-profit that I quit. JerkEmployee was eventually fired for embezzling, which didn’t surprise me – I was the only other person there who understood accounting.
1. Jules the Third
Documenting should include dates. times, exact wording as much as possible, other witnesses:
1/15/2018 Meeting with Bart, Lisa, Maggie – Homer said Lisa was ‘inattentive’ for asking for clarification on x project.
1/22/2018 Meeting with Marge, Lisa, and Mr. Simpson – Homer said Lisa ‘should be fired’ if she couldn’t even do X task
The *best* person to do this is Lisa – she can explain the impact of no clarification, or what was going on with the task (she hadn’t been trained vs she could do it but he didn’t like the results). But letting her know this isn’t normal, JerkBoss has a problem, here’s a way to address it, and oh by the way I heard it too, can help her a lot.
2. Irene Adler
Just make sure the GrandBoss and the abuser are not buddies. Otherwise, it’s like walking into a lion’s den. The GrandBoss will take the side of the abuser and make life hell for anyone who complains about him. In which case, the turnover argument won’t be persuasive until it actually materializes.
27. Brett
The boss is a jerk and there is a lot of vitriol rightful directed to him here.
I wanted to point out, though, that since this is an early stage startup, boss probably also has very little management experience (maybe even very little work experience) and has no idea how to manage employees and how to handle his own emotions as a manager. I’m not sure how the OP can help make the boss a better boss, but it is entirely possible that boss _could_ change and that this horrible behavior is a consequence of his lack of experience combined with an unwillingness on his part to admit that he does not know what he is doing.
1. CM
I’m all for empathy, but this is somebody who is targeting one person deliberately. Sure, it’s possible the boss could have a life-changing experience and decide not to be a jerk anymore, but this is not just an example of bad management. This is straight-up bullying and verbal abuse.
1. Marthooh
I was thinking Bad Boss is trying to use bullying as a management style. This is pretty classic: picking on one person to keep everyone else in line.
28. SoCalHR
I slightly disagree with Allison regarding seconding the confusion of the coworker – unless you were also truly confused. Don’t throw yourself under the bus in trying to help the coworker. Although, even if you understood something and she didn’t, maybe a statement of “I could see how that instruction could be confusing” would be helpful rather than “I was confused as well” (if you truly weren’t).
Also, despite not having HR, is there someone who is a bit senior that you could/trust enough to loop into the problem, even if their role isn’t specifically HR?
1. Ask a Manager Post author
Oh yeah — I should have been clearer that I didn’t mean to say you were confused if you weren’t. Just if you actually shared the coworker’s confusion.
2. Kate
I’m glad you said this. I’d be cautious about how to speak up in these moments just because, personally, I think telling someone they should be fired for struggling with a task seems so over the top, and I’d be worried about putting myself in his sights. But I definitely like the suggestion of saying, “I can see how this can be confusing” or even, “Yes, actually, can you clarify this?” without explicitly saying, “I was confused about this too.”
29. clow
Ugh this is the reason I refuse to work for start-ups. Your boss is awful and I doubt he will change. Sure startups often have people who don’t know how to manage, but not being able to manage and not knowing how to be a decent human being are not the same thing. Lack of management skills does not excuse emotional abuse. People learn how to deal with frustration and emotions just fine without being managers after all. This is a bully who has found a way to be a bully without consequences plain and simple. Bullies find someone they know can’t fight back and treat them like crap. OP I think the only thing you can do is provide a bit of moral support for your coworker, I know it helped me when I had a bully of a boss. Before someone asked me if everything was OK, I was silently suffering and getting more and more depressed each day. I also suggest you hunt for a new job, this boss will not change.
30. Princess Buttercup
I work at a company that’s very small and only getting smaller (this time last year we had 10 employees now we’re at 5). We’re a company of all women. I am constantly talked down to by my VP. Sometimes it’s when we’re alone in the office together, sometimes it’s in front of everyone. I’ve had multiple coworkers, who in their exit interviews, have mentioned to the President, how this VP speaks to me. I don’t know how to approach this situation.
She also tries to use her “power” to give me a hard time about PTO. I’ve been working at this company for about a year and nine months. For the first year or so, I was an hourly employee, then was asked to stay on as a salaried employee. I know that I’m not entitled to PTO from the past year or so that I was an hourly paid employee, but I used to take vacations and know that I was not going to get paid. Now I’m being questioned about a day here and there and it just feels like a personal attack. HELP!
1. Bea
Have you talked to the president yourself? Sure, it’s great others mention her speaking to you poorly is an issue with them but they also need to hear it directly from you as well.
This kind of emotional blackmail is somewhat common among some people in management both big and small about taking time off. You have to tune it out and do whatever you need to in terms of taking time off when necessary. She’ll never change her tune there even though it’s BS to nitpick about your time off unless it’s interfering with your ability to get things done.
2. rubyrose
The company is smaller by half? I would be concerned about the company going out of business. Add to that the way you are being treated – time to help yourself and get out.
31. PersephoneUnderground
A side thought- there’s no evidence either way about whether this is connected to her being a woman, but it’s making me wonder. I think there should be some documentation somewhere for the future if you leave so that if this turns out to be a pattern of abusive behavior specifically against women that there will be a trail- so each individual target doesn’t have to wonder if it’s just them and just general (legal) jerkiness or a pattern of specific (illegal because only happens to women) jerkiness. Not sure the best way for that to happen, could be a glassdoor review after you leave mentioning the behavior towards a female subordinate or maybe even an EEOC complaint just for documentation purposes even if it isn’t actionable at the time- so if there is a pattern it can be recognized and acted on in future. I don’t know how the EEOC part would work/ if it applies etc., or if there’s a better way, but I think this needs to be recorded for the good of potential next victims in case there turns out to be a way to stop it legally, or at least so he gets a reputation for this bad behavior instead of it staying quiet, is important.
TL;DR- If you leave, or can do this safely without leaving, please find a way to warn others and start a paper/internet/reputation trail on this guy’s behavior.
Also might be interesting to ask employees who’ve been there longer if this has happened before.
32. Fergus
I just read an article from a newspaper where the manager took the bagel out of the person’s hand and said, “YOU DON’T NEED THAT!” Sometimes you have to just bitch slap someone.
33. TootsNYC
Don’t forget that body language and physical space/position can speak for you as well as a frown or a shocked look.
In meetings, make it a point to sit by her. If the boss approaches her, step over to face him alongside her. Or step toward her, not away from her (on stage, there’s a concept called “countering”; when one character crosses the stage to carry the action or focus across the space, the other characters step gently in the opposite direction (upstage, when the action moves downstage; stage left if the action is moving stage right; etc.). This helps direct the audience to where the focus is supposed to be. I tend to do it instinctively.
Do the opposite. Step toward her (and away from him) to show a slight shift in alignment.
Of course, ANY move to help her might put you in the crosshairs. But you should absolutely be job hunting like crazy, as should she.
34. LBK
I like this approach a lot – I’ve used a similar tactic with chronic complainers. People who feel comfortable being so negative in front of others often do it because they assume the audience is on their side; vocally siding with your coworker in a way that’s not combative can really undermine the attacker’s confidence in their position.
1. CM
I think rather than joining in with the coworker’s perceived incompetence, the OP could amplify her coworker’s good work and ideas. “As Olivia said, I think we should do X…” or when OP receives a compliment on a joint project, she could say, “Thanks, Olivia and I worked hard on that.”
35. Ann Nonymous
You should be prepared to say, “Whoa!” when something like this occurs. Your volume and inflection of shock can be modified as merited and as to how the boss might react.
36. Observer
I just want to reiterate what Alison said – even if your coworker is really bad at her job or incompetent, the boss is falt out wrong in how he handles it. If it comes up – if you speak to him, look shocked and he calls you on it, whatever – push back. It’s not ok to treat even legitimate mistakes that way. And if she’s THAT bad that he “can’t help it” he should have the decency to fire her with some dignity.
1. Rod
From experience with this type of person I know pushing back just makes them angry. The boss is entitled and narcissistic – trying to get them to see the error of their ways is folly as they can’t see anything outside their own tiny self-absorbed frame of reference. The best solution is to get away from them.
1. Observer
I hear that. My point is that the OP should be working from a foundation of “You don’t talk to people that way, even if they are incompetent.” That needs to be the guiding principle.
What the OP actually says to the boss depends on the circumstances.
37. Workfromhome
1. Start job searching. Change is unlikely and in my experience if the boss is like this he will hire more people “like him” or that wont challenge him” so as the company grows the likelihood of a company culture of rudeness is high.
2.its a difficult situation since both the OP and the other person are new young people in a start up with no HR. There is little protection for them even though the boss may be dead wrong. If the OP needs the job (until they can find something else) speaking up likely wont help and will get them fired. Sometimes doing the “right thing” doesn’t have enough of a payoff given the risk. (If it were physical violence or other dangerous things that’s different)
I agree best thing you can do is make sure the coworker knows you don’t approve, that this isn’t normal in the workplace and that you wouldn’t blame her for speaking up for herself but understand why she wouldn’t.
38. Rod
Ugh I had a boss who would do this garbage. He’d hold meetings, expect everyone to contribute, but then get extremely short with us if we didn’t contribute in the way he wanted (i.e. read his mind). He’d throw in curt little comments at us in front of clients, similar to the “louder” thing here, like he was a nitpicking peanut gallery to our performance. He’d whistle at me like I was a dog if he wanted my attention. He’d state blatantly false or made-up things in front of clients and get angry at me if I corrected him. And then he’d turn around and try to be your best friend and mentor. The day I left was one of the best days of my life.
39. Batshua
Echoing what everyone else says about supporting and validating your coworker, both on the fact that your boss is out of line, and that your coworker is doing a better job than your boss says.
If I were your coworker, knowing that other people didn’t agree with my boss’s assessment would make all the difference.
40. Former Retail Manager
Is it possible that the employee who is being berated somehow just pushes the boss’ buttons and this behavior would never happen with anyone else? I’ve witnessed that a few times. People I’d consider great managers just couldn’t deal with a particular employee and reacted terribly….not this terrible, but not good either. By no means an excuse, but just something I’ve seen happen….some people can’t hold it together. Assuming that is not the case, I’d commiserate with the co-worker and both of you should start looking. Outside of a one-off drastic personality clash, this boss isn’t likely to change, and if co-worker leaves, will move on to another target. I feel terribly for both of you. Been there…..it’s both uncomfortable and heartbreaking to witness.
1. Observer
Eh, even if it really is some sort of personality clash and the co-worker is “pushing his buttons”, the boss is reacting in an inexcusable way. Expressing support for the co-worker is appropriate regardless.
41. Trillion
Yep, I have low tolerance for this. I worked for a boss who treated me okay for the 13 months I worked for her, but she would frequently pull my teammates into her office to shout and curse at them (WITHOUT shutting the door, which is worse). Even though she didn’t treat me that way, I couldn’t tolerate her behavior towards others and resigned (after accepting a job from another organization).
42. Traceytootoo
My first job, at the age of 16, was in an office with a boss who did stuff like that to me. After one particularly bad outburst, I went into his office, closed the door and told him that if he needed to ever speak to me that way again, I would appreciate it if he did so in private. I was so scared that I was shaking, but I was mad too. He looked shocked and definitely back-pedaled. It turned out that he would lose his cool quite often and then, when he was finished ranting, he was fine. Of course, everyone else was standing around shell-shocked. He never singled me out again after that though. Now that I am much older, I am still pretty proud of the 16-year-old me that stood up to that man. I hope OP’s co-worker will have the courage to do something like that. I don’t think she has much to lose at this point.
43. Corporate Cynic
I was on the receiving end of this from a boss several years ago. My co-workers definitely took the approach of “silent, feel really uncomfortable, and commiserate afterward.” While that was somewhat helpful, Alison’s advice of at least looking shocked is spot-on – seeing/hearing such reactions from them would have made me feel so much better.
44. Nicole
OP, you say the company is small and I’m not sure how many peers you have, have other colleagues witnessed this treatment too? If you *all* start to act shocked by the Boss’ behavior, maybe he’ll be embarassed enough to simmer down on his own.
45. Interested Bystander
OP, I feel your pain – My boss too is like this. I have been berated for not completing a project that I had never been assigned, or for not correcting issues that I had never been informed of. I tried to go over my boss’s head, and nothing changed. I will be leaving my current employer very soon, mostly due to this boss.
46. LifeafterburnoutandAPAs
I name this behaviour as Agressive Passive Aggression. It sucks, it is demeaning and disengages anyone watching/wearing it. I know how this feels but it is suriviable. I’ve spent the last 2 years dealing with it and survived. Here’s how I worked it through and won.
I couldn’t control the other person, but I sure could choose to change my perspective on it. What can I guess at that is going on in the other person’s work and personal life that could possible help me understand why they behave the way they do? Whatever they have going on does not absolve, excuse or make their behaviour right. But it does give some grounds for why it is happening.
This apa is not about the victim, it is all about the abuser. So i am not the cause of this, it is not my problem to fix that person. I am not responsible for their bad behaviour.
What could the bully actually be trying say, albeit badly? Is there anything in there that is actually a miscommunicated direction? Eg the “Louder” comment. Could he possibly be meaning I do actually need to speaker louder and more clearly?
Turn the whole experience around in your head. I need to stay in this job for x time, so I choose to survive this. It will be hard and draining, but what can I do to survive and learn from it? In my situation, I chose to use this opportunity to learn how not to manage, lead, engage and direct staff; this was a great example of how I do not want to be, it taught me how to recognise it and how to negate the impact on me. I worked out how to let it roll off my back, to keep my composure, to not react, but golly gee I got my exit plan in place, kept my CV up to date and job search like crazy. I kept working and learning and laughing to myself at the pathetic passive aggressive and insulting comments, because they were so obviously not true.
Best of all, i’ve managed to leave that job (2 days ago – YIPPEEEEE – with a brilliant one lined up (thank you Alison and Ask A Manager) without burning that bridge.
That’s what worked for me. I hope some of my strategies will help the LW. Good Luck!
47. JustAGirlTryingToMakeIt
OP, I hate to hear about this. I’m in a similar situation as well, you aren’t alone. My boss screams at me in front of my colleagues and quite frankly, I think he enjoys it. He openly singles me out of lunch with two employees who are my age (recently graduated) and they do nothing about it, even though one is my best friend from college. She enjoys the “positive” attention she receives from him. When the three of them leave for lunch, I can’t help but feel worthless. I work my behind off for this man for nothing and it kills me.
My advice? Get out of the office with your coworker, go to lunch, coffee break, etc, and ask if she’s okay and explain you hate how she’s being treated. Ask what she wants to do about it and be a rock for her. I don’t have an HR either, but there is strength in numbers.
48. Elizabeth H.
I’m pretty surprised that nobody so far has said that the letter writer should speak up to the boss in the moment. I think that it could have a negative effect on the letter writer’s work at this company, but it’s just ethically wrong to witness someone being treated this way and not say something. I’m also curious about what other coworkers’ reaction is, for example in meetings. LW wrote that the coworker is the ONLY one the boss treats this way, and that he does it in meetings; who are the other people in the meetings, are they more senior than the letter writer, do they seem uncomfortable with how boss is treating coworker? If they are any more senior, they have that much more of an ethical obligation to speak up and indicate that it’s not okay to treat people the way the boss is treating coworker.
49. Julianjules
Well I’m late to the party, but it’s not everyday I have a similar situation, so thought I’ll give it my two cents.
My boss tends to be unnecessarily harsh sometimes, and when he does, our team would say something in a light and cheery tone, to the effect of “wow that was way harsh” or “it’s OK, we can quickly fix that/that’s an understandable mistake” to let him know that we think he’s being over the top without seeming like we’re criticizing his behavior. Sometimes this might even calm him down!
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Saturday, November 5, 2011
Show me the Money??
Show me the Money??
Easy. The wealthy stole it!
One of the No-Liberal memes is if you allow more of the wealth produced by workers to be retained by the wealthy they will invest more and everyone will benefit. The trickle down theory.
This graph from the New York Times NYT gives the lie to this theory.
Given more money the wealthy simply spend of gamble it in more and more dysfunctional ways.
The effect of policy on inequality
We can see the same effects in Britain and New Zealand. The effects of Britains belief in voodoo economics.
In New Zealand we have an even stronger correlation.
NZ Governments economic records.
From the Nationalisation of banks and a socialist Labour Government which ended the 1930's depression ahead of most of the rest of the world. To the great recession caused by the adoption of Neo-Liberal dogma from 1984. The rise in incomes and prosperity generally when the Neo-Liberal prescription was relaxed a bit in 2000.
The detrimental effects on a country, by all measures, even their own ones.
of the Neo-Liberal, cut wages, cut taxes, sell everything, deregulate give to the wealthy are conclusively proven.
Looks like even the ratings agencies prefer more left leaning administrations.
What Our Financial Masters Really Think of Democracy.
On the axed Referendum.
The so called representatives of the people. Do not want the people to decide on how to respond to a package.
To bail out even more bankers who made bad lending decisions and pushed prices up to increase their income..
It is becoming very obvious who the real rulers of the world are.
Revealed the capitalist network that runs the world
Despite the lip service to "Representative Democracy".
It is not the citizens of each country.
Saturday, October 29, 2011
Good and bad Dictators.
This Dictator of an oil rich country.
Overthrew a democratically elected Government.
Keeps about 2/3 of his country in poverty.
Has the worst environmental record in the Pacific..
Allows abuse of workers in virtual slave labour.
Sends troops in to kill unionists.
Country has unsustainable debt.
Streets of beggars and homeless.
This Dictator of an oil rich country.
Left his country with no external debt.
Gave interest free loans to citizens.
Had Western standards of living.
Increased literacy from 25% to 83%.
Had the Highest Standard of living in Africa.
No beggars in the streets and no homeless.
Monday, October 24, 2011
Occupy Wall Street.
Why we should protest.
Management 101. Effective change management.
3. Invite ideas and positive changes from the shop floor.
OWS is at stage 1 at present.
The first stage.
We are the 99%.
Occupy Wall Street.
Friday, October 21, 2011
Bunker piping is available on the wharf in all three ports.
The Rena. A Neo-Liberal failure.
Saturday, October 8, 2011
A reminder of why we have to change our economic paradigm.
Our present one is not sustainable, even short term.
By Richard Heinberg
06 October, 2011
Post Carbon Institute
Tuesday, October 4, 2011
It would be funny if it was not so serious.
Government bonds are still considered much safer than private lending.
A rugby players nuts are more important!
Sunday, October 2, 2011
Democracy Repris'
Are you serious. Do you mean these people?
Couldn’t run a p–up in a brothel.
How could democracy possibly make worse decisions than politicians have.
Wednesday, September 21, 2011
Search and surveillance
We are a passive lot. Our rights to privacy, and freedom from unreasonable search and seizure, have been slowly frittered away by various Governments over the years. while rights to freedom from surveillance without cause have been taken away.
The media have mostly been silent. When they haven’t been actively supporting it, using, mostly, specious excuses about cutting crime.
The skynet bill and the new search and surveillance bill are unacceptable infringements on our rights to freedom from search and seizure.
Already existing laws about surveillance and airport and port security also exceed the rights of search, of ordinary citizens, that authorities should have.
In the interests of corporates and "supposedly" fighting crime, or terrorism, our rights to privacy, freedom from unreasonable search and seizure and right to protest are being steadily reduced.
The potential for Government and police, to misuse these laws has already become apparent, with over 50 cases where the police exceeded their legal powers. Instead of charging the police responsible, with breaking the law. The Government proposes to make these acts retrospectively legal.
Sunday, September 18, 2011
For Those Who Still Think Man Made Global Warming is a Beat Up.
Those who went on forever about a mistake in the IPCC report ignored the real story.
The fact is, the glaciers are disappearing!
Watching a glacier die.
And the polar ice. Arctic Ice Shipping Routes.
Not that you could tell from the response of the New Zealand Government.
Even Labour, lets us down.
Wednesday, September 7, 2011
On internet Surveillance and Interception.
Years ago, when you applied for a marine radio operators licence, you had to sign a statement that you would maintain "secrecy of correspondence".
"Secrecy of correspondence" was the legal principle that, "Under no circumstances would you divulge the contents of any radio message to a third party".
In other words privacy of communication was sacrosanct. All radio operators hearing a message, including Government radio operators , were only allowed to divulge the existence or the contents of a radio message to "the proper recipient".
I am sure this was often honoured in the breach by intelligence agencies. But the principle that an individuals right to privacy overrode any other interests ,for any reason, was there.
Similarly it has been a legal principle, in most "democratic" States, that phone calls can only be intercepted on reasonable suspicion of criminal activity.
Usually by a judicial or court order. Police are not allowed to listen to private phone calls at random.
WHY THEN! Are we allowing the State, and even worse, private ISP companies and copyright holders to breach a our privacy IN CASE WE ARE BREAKING THE LAW.
Sure they have all sort of laudable reasons. Protecting copyright holders, attempting to limit paedophilia and catching organised criminals. But anyone, who wants to intercept other forms of communication to prevent these crimes, has to see a judge.
Of course reasonable people support intercepting paedophiles and terrorists on the internet. Who wouldn't.
However, those people can easily find ways and means to bypass internet scrutiny.
While the rest of us have our rights to privacy and free and open communication with our friends trampled on.
Once a Government starts internet scrutiny do you think they will stop with intercepting illegal traffic. How long before they intercept Wikileaks, The New Zealand Socialist Party. The Labour party! Anything which embarrasses them!
How long before the SIS and police start making lists.
Of people who are not comfortable with the present Government.
They have done it before.
Tuesday, September 6, 2011
New Zealand at the Crossroads
The NYT on the "success" of Neo-Liberalism.
As "No Right Turn" says this graphic is "an appalling indictment of Neo-Liberalism".
In New Zealand we have seen the effects just this year. Over 17% increase in wealth for the top few percent while 200 000 children live in relative poverty.
The pattern in New Zealand, since our great Neo-Liberal experiment, following the USA, Ireland and UK, has been the same.
Coddling the rich is destroying the American dream.
"No matter how many times it's said, lowering tax rates for the highest income Americans does not create jobs or stimulate the economy. In fact, a detailed look reveals that the overall economy does slightly better when taxes at the top are significantly higher. This also holds true on the state level, as states with higher top personal tax rates have growth rates and median incomes that average greater than those with low (or even no) taxes. No matter how many times the experiment is repeated, or how long you extend the results, cutting taxes for the wealthy does not stimulate growth."
Most of the wealth earned by Americans went to corporates.
In New Zealand cutting taxes for the wealthy was supposed to stimulate the economy. Since the first round of high end tax cuts, investment in the productive economy, wages and manufacturing, in New Zealand, stagnated, and capital flew to gambles on offshore markets.
Decimation of Union and employee rights, and cuts in Government spending has resulted in huge drops in real income, for all but a few New Zealanders.
New Zealand is at the crossroads.
We can vote for National and ACT, and join the list of failed States like the USA and UK.
Another three years of failed Neo-Liberal policies will destroy the country we know.
Do we want third generation unemployment and riots in the streets like the UK. Or the repressive, unequal, surveillance society the USA has become.
For the first time since 1984 we have a clear choice. Continue down a failed Neo-Liberal road, or Own our Future.
We can vote for the Greens and Labour. For sensible policies, which were middle of the road, before Neo- Liberal religious hysteria took over.
Monday, August 22, 2011
Climate Change Is Here. Now!
Kassie Siegel: Climate Change Is Here Now
"Climate change is happening now, we are causing it, and the costs of inaction -- to us, to plants and animals, to the physical world that we depend on -- are too steep to ignore and pass to the coming generations".
Sunday, August 14, 2011
It Is NOT! their money.
Saturday, August 13, 2011
Pambazuka News.
Pambazuka News.
The wealthy deserve their wealth??
One of the recurring memes is that the rich earned their wealth because of some innate superiority, extra effort or extra talent, and it is churlish to take some back off them..
Those at the top, got there, mostly, because of A) inherited wealth, B) the old boy network. (The real advantage of private schooling). C)total psychopathic self interest and disregard for others. (Called theft when done by those at the bottom).
They would have us believe that they have some special talent or superiority that justifies their wealth.
Anyone who watches the Kardashians can see that inheriting wealth is no guarantee of superiority.
Ridding them of some of their money makes for a more efficient economy and a fairer and more decent society.
Why do they have more right to the wealth produced by the workers in society than anyone else whether they work or not.
Jobs and livelihoods exist because there is a demand and need for them. Not because of money capital.
Also! Not because of the owners of capital. Recent events have shown, that, given free rein, the owners of capital hoard it and gamble it. AND expect taxpayers to bail them out when they lose.
The owners of capital are sitting on trillions at the moment. Extra 20% more wealth went to them in NZ this year. Where are the jobs??
Do you really think that if the owners of, say, supermarkets, in NZ withdrew their capital some entrepreneurs would not arise to fill the gap.
Democratic Socialists do not say we take all the money back off them.
Though as it is undeserved and unearned the communists may be right.
Taking capital of these people who tend to mispend, and gamble it, to enable more to those who spend and use it wisely, is economically and socially effective.
A very few get to the top because of effort, learning skills, entrepreneurship, producing something that a great many people value or by talent.
This is so rare however that these individuals are celebrated in the news.
Those deserve their money.
It is interesting though, that most of these people recognise that the social benefits from society, such as State education, helped them on their way and they are happy to give back in some way.
Don’t usually see them demanding less taxes.
Many more who could or would be entrepreneurs are constrained because A,B and C above take the wealth earned by us and waste it. Or use wealth to limit competition from below. Opposing all attempts at upward mobility. E.g. Dumbing down public education to the 3 r’s only to avoid the children of the “lower classes” from competing with their pampered darlings.
Don’t forget those who really produce the wealth. The wealthy would not survive without all of the workers. Even entrepreneurs need staff.
On Riots.
Right wing politicians are quick to distance themselves from rioting, and public revolt, in many countries around the world.
"The responsibility lies with criminal elements".
Well! It does, but mostly with the unpunished criminals who have destroyed cohesive society for their own gain.
Friday, August 12, 2011
In search of a justification.
Many laughable statements come from the Neo-Liberal right, but the ones that seek a moral or economic justification for greed and meanness are the most comical. (If the effects were not so serious).
Like the one from a bailed out US bank manager. "God thinks I should have a bonus". :-)
– John Kenneth Galbraith
The Standard.
Debunks the idea that taxing the rich more cuts total tax take. In fact the opposite has happened. As taxes to the rich have been cut in Western countries, Government revenues have decreased in most cases.
As I have said before. In the time of its greatest prosperity the US top tax rate was 90%.
Recent top rate tax cuts in New Zealand have resulted in decreased revenue each time.
Decreasing taxes on business and high incomes means more capital is free for more investment.
Did not work. Capital investment by private investors in NZ, the UK and the USA has decreased while they hid the money offshore, to dodge even more of the tax they should pay, or spend it on holidays in Hawaii. AND financial gambling. (Where we will have to bail them out next time they lose).
What's worse.
Cutting tax rates, and therefore revenues, cuts Government investment in the local economy in favour of those who take the money offshore. Never to be seen again.
In New Zealand the Government is borrowing offshore to pay for tax cuts to the rich. A double blow to the national deficit.
Similarly. Cutting wages is supposed to be an incentive for business to invest.
Trouble is cutting the wages of the businesses customers is even more of a disincentive. Low wage workers do not buy much.
Since the 1984 attacks on Unions and steadily dropping wages in New Zealand, direct investment in New Zealand production has dropped to 1/3 of what it was in the 70's.
Make the rich richer and they will give people jobs.
Jobs are not something the rich gives. Jobs are workers supplying their labour.
The rich are awash in money at present. 20% increase in the wealth of the richest in New Zealand. In the USA the rich are sitting on trillions. Where are the jobs??
In recent history job growth has come from State initiatives. It was not the private sector that pulled the USA out of the 30's depression, it was massive State spending, on the new deal, then WW2.
Lastly. The idea that the rich earn their money and we have no right to take it from them.
Who earns millions?
Most have millions because their family had millions. They contribute nothing and consume much more than poorer people.
Some entrepreneurs have started new business, produced services and ideas of great benefit to many people. It can be said that they earned their money.
It is notable that most of these people are philanthropists.
The rich benefit so much from our society it is only fair that they give back.
Better to take some if this money back and reinvest in infrastructure and the necessary green technology to ensure humanities future survival.
Wednesday, August 10, 2011
Campaign for MMP in New Zealand.
Campaign for MMP
MMP has shown its worth as an electoral system, in keeping some rein on extremist politicians.
Just recently by slowing or stopping the path of a Government bill, to take away some of an individuals rights when before the courts.
MMP saves right to trial by jury
Monday, August 8, 2011
Signs of Hope.
Signs that some of our Government have learnt from their mistakes.
The plan so far. NZ Labour Party.
They are already trying to smear the leaders of Labour.
"Good' and bad Dictators.
A good Dictator is one who lets the US corporate world burgle his country.
A bad Dictator is one who does not!
Democracy is fine. So long as it meets the objectives of the USA
Washington is happy to support radical Islamic Government in Saudi Arabia, repressive dictatorships in Columbia, Indonesia,Tunisia and UAE and governments with scant regard for human rights in other countries.
As Chile, Honduras, Iran, Venezuala, Indonesia and, recently, Libya (and the citizens of the USA) have found the one thing you cannot do is keep some of the local wealth from exploitation by US corporates.
That is the trigger for the USA to replace the Government by one more pliable.
It does not matter that, in most cases, the new Government is a repressive and cruel dictatorship, so long as US interests are served and the Neo-Liberal gravy train for the worlds rich continues.
Gaddafi is no saint, but he was not as bad as many regimes the USA continues to support.
George Monbiot – How the Billionaires Broke the System
George Monbiot – How the Billionaires Broke the System
Sound like New Zealand.
18% rise in the wealth of the top 0.5 % this year. the rest officially minus 5.4 to 2.4 %. (Depending on if you got the 2% wage rise that some strongly unionised workers had or not).
Sunday, July 24, 2011
Some world leaders get it!
Thursday, July 7, 2011
Some glimmerings of hope.
Comment from Labour.
Good on them.
Some thoughts.
CGT should be universal on any appreciating asset.
Without a CGT PAYE payers are subsidising speculators .
It has to be retrospective to have any real affect.
2 First homes only could be exempt from CGT.
5 Allow for inflation and normal maintenance.
We wait with anticipation, the official announcement.
Tuesday, June 28, 2011
Democracy Recap.
My answers in italics.
Arguing for democracy.
“Or the Prostitution Law Reform Bill of 2003?”
Saturday, June 25, 2011
The Politics of Envy.
Thanks to Art Uncut for this one.
Friday, June 24, 2011
Don't cry for Argentina!
What Happened to Argentina?
Acknowledgements to Paul Krugman.
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vince these storms commonly rise and disperse in the space of
half an hour, and the heat of the sun, bursting with increased
radiance from the ckmds, in a few minutes dries up the moisture.
In consequence of this sudden exnccation the land, if not watmced
by artificial means, becomes arid, and will beat neither grass nor
trees, but when irrigated by canals it produces almost every ve-
getable in astonishing abundaih:e. The fruits and grains of Ear^Q
thrive there extremely wett, ai^ come to maturity a month earlier
i^iao in Chüii and the wines are rich and of an excellent bo^. _
This province is intersected by three rivers from the Andes,
that dF St Juan, and those of Mendoza and Tunujan. The two
first receive their names from the cities that they lave, and after, a
course of from twenty-five to thirty leagues become stationary and-
form the celebrated lakes of Guanasache, which extend morç than
fifty leagues from nortli to south ; and, at length, through a channel
that receives the river Tunujan, lose themselves in the Pampas.
These lakes abound with excellent trout and king-fish, and all the
salt that is used in Cujo is obtained from them. The eastern part of
this province, called la Punta, presents an appearance entirely
difierent from the rest, and is watered by the rivers Contara and
Quinto, and by several other streams. The plains aix covered
with beautiful trees, and the herbage grows to such a height, as in
many places to conceal the horses ; but thunder storms are more
Tiolent than in any other part of Cujo, and continue for hour»
accompanied with immoderate rain.
Of the trees o( Cujo^ one of the most remarkable is that called
Palma, from its resembling, in its branches and fruit, the palm of
Chili; it differs, however, in its height, which never exceeds
eighteen feet, and in the manner of putting forth its branches,
which are so near the ground as to prevent the trunk from being
seen. Its leaves are hard and terminate in a point as sharp as that
of a sword. The fruit, though similar in appearance to the cocoa-
nut, contains no kernel or substance that is ediUe, but merely a
few round hard seeds. The i^ost singular part of this tree is the
i^m, or trunk, which is very large. The outer bark is blacki^
and is easily detached, this is succeeded \>y five or six interior
layers, of so perfect a texture that they appear as if wrought in a
loom. The first is of a yellowish colour and of the consistenpy of
sail cloth ; the others regularly décroise in thickness and become
gradually whiter to the innermost, which b as fine and white at
cambric, but of a looser texture. The thread of these cloths is
strong and flexible, but not so soft to the touch as that of flax. Cuj o
also contains great quantities of the Opuntia, a spiidesdf Cactus
that furnishes the cochineal. The natives have a ]^actice of
stringing these insects upon a thread with a needle, whiUi commu-
nicates to them a blackish tint. This plant produces a woolly
fruit of the sixeof a peach, of a glutinous substance,, containing a
great quantity of seeds. It is sweet and well flavoured, and is
ea^ly preserved by cutüng it into slices and drying them in the
sun. The tree that produces the Greek or Turkey bean, is common
throughout the province ; it is of four kinds, two of >^hich arc
good eating ; of the other*) one is used as provender for horses,
and the other in making ink. Among the plants of Ci^o, is
one that is very singular ; it is called tht Jl(mer of the <drj from
its having no root nor ever being fired to the earth. Its native
situation is an arid rock or a dry tree around which it entwines
itself. This plant consists of a single shoot, resembling the stalk of
the gillyflower, but its leaves are larger and thicker, and so hard
that they seem to the touch like wood. Each shoot, or stalk,
produces two or three white transparent flowers, in size and shape
resembling the lily ; they are full as odoriferous as that flower, and ^
may be preserved fresh for more than two months on their stalks,
and for several days when plucked off. But the most wonderful
property of this plant is, that it may be transported without any
tiifficulty for upward of three hundred mil^s, and will produce
flowers annually if only suspended upon a nail.
This province abounds with birds, among which are two parrots
that are difiereat from those ci Chili. The first is a little less than
the turtle dove, and has a greenback and whitish belly ; the other,
called fterigîàtOy is rather larger. Its plumage is a dark green, ex-
cept the head, which is black, and a mixture of red upon the back.
Tlie partridges are of two kinds. The first called martinetta is oi
the size ctf a domestic fowl, has a beautiful tuft upon its head, and
is adorned with handsome plumes of various colours ; its flesh is
very delicate, and its eggs are green. The common partridge is
in great abundance, and so tatne that a man with a reed, to which a
snare is fastened, will take twenty or thirty of them in afe^ hours.
The abàanilj or mason, so called from the manner of constructing
its habitation, is a snuff coloured bird, of the size of a thrush ; be-
fore )ff begins to build, It mixes clay very carefoUy^With foathers and
piecl^ of straw, then dividing it into little balls, carries them kk \Ui
claws and bill to its mate, who first forms the bottom upon Üie trunk
of a tree. Into a circle of ei^t or nine inches in diameter, making
it perfectly smooth ; upon this it raises a wall about a hand's breadth
in height, leaving a small aperture to go in at ; «k next proceeds
to lay a second floor, which contain s the nest, ancl also an opening
communicating with tíie lower room ; when this is completed it
continues the surrounding wall to the same height as the firsts and
covers the whole with a handsome areh. This edifice becomes,
when dry, so firm astorewstthe most violent winds and rain. In
the northern parts of this province is a species 6f f)heasant called
thunna, which isas large as a hen, and <^ an ash eokmr ; the flesh
is as delicate as that of the European pheasant This bird is easily
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domesticated, and petforms in houses the office of a cat, freeing
them from mice, which \t eats very readily ; but it is kept by few
tm account of its disagreeable note, and a mischievous propensity
"erf carrying away in its beak and concealing whatever it finds. Of
turtle doves, besides the common species, there is one that is not
larger than a sparrow. Ostriches are common, imd bees arc found
every where, particularly in the eastern plains, and produce ex-
cellent honey. Grasshoppers appear there occasionally in suc|i
numbers that they cover many miles of country, and destroy every
green thing that they meet with ; these are usually three inches
in length, but they arc sometimes tobe seen as large as a pilchard,
and from seven to eijght inches long.
There arc many animals in Cujo that are not to be found in
Chili, as tigers, boih*s, stags, the land tortoise, the viper. Iguana^
and several others. The tigers are ferocious like those of Africa,
and as large as an ass, but with shorter legs ;, the skin is mottled
with white, yellow and black. The inhabitants kill them with
lances of five or six feet in lei^h, armed with a sharp iron. The
method they ad(^t is for two persons to be in readiness^ while a
third, who has the spear, prevokes the tiger, who rushes upon him
with inconceivable fury, and impales himself upon the weapon,
which thehtmter keeps constantly directed towards him, when the
two others come up and dispatch him. The Iguai^a is an animal
of the lizard kind, about three feet in length ; the colour is black-
ish, the eyes round, asd the flesh white and tender. It feeds upon
grass and wild fruits. The country people, who eat it, think itsflesh
far preferable to tiiat of a chicken.
In tíie northern parts of this province are mines of gold and
copper, but they are not worked, owing to the ind(dence of the in*
habitants* There are also rich mines of lead, vitriol, sulphur^
salt, coal, gypsum and talc. The mountains in the neighbourhood
of St. Juan are wholly composed of strata of white marine, from
five to six £eet in length, and from six to seven inches thick,, which
are regulariy cut and polished by the hand of nature. The inhabi-
tants make from it a beautiful lime, and employ it in building bridges
over their canals. Between the cities of Mendoza and La Punta,
upon a low range ef hills, is a large stone pillar, one hundred and
fifty feet high, and twelve feet in diameter. It is called the^iant>
and contains certain marks or inscriptions, resembling Chinese
characters. Near the Diamond river is also another stone, con-
taining some marks, which appear to be ciphers or characters, and
the impression of a man's feet, with the figures of sereral ani-
mais. The Spaniards call it the ttone of St Thomas^ from aa
account which they pretend the first settlers received from the
IndianS) that a white man^ with a Im^g; beard formerly preached
to their ancestors a new religion from that stone, and as a prooT
of its sanctity, left upon it the impression of his feet, and the figures
<^the animals that came to hear him. This man^ they suppose to
have been St Thomas, from- a tradition of his having preached in
The aboriginal inhabitants of Cujo, of whom thereare at present
but a^ fe^ remaining, are called Goarpes, they are thin, brown and
of a lofty stature, and speak a different language from the Chilians.
The Peruvians were the first who conquered these people, after
having possessed themselves of the northern provinces of ChilL
On the road, over the Andes, from CujotoChiH,are still to be seen
some small stone edifices, erected for the accommodation of the offi-
cers and messengers of that empire. The first ^aniards who
entered this province were commanded by Francis Aguirre, who
was sent from Chili by Valdivia, and who quitted it on learning
the death of that general. In the year 1560, Don Garcia di Men-
doza, sent thither Pedro Castillo, who subdued the Guarpes, and
ibunded the cities of St. Juan and Mendoza.
Mendoza, the capital, is situated on a plain at the foot of the
Andes, in 33 degrees 19 minutes south latitude, and in 308. 31. west
longitude. Tlie number of its inhabitants is estimated at six
thousand. Besides the parish church, it contains a college, which
belonged to the Jesuits, convents of the orders of St Francis, St
l>ominic, St Augustine and the Mercedarii. This city carries
on a considerable commerce, in wine and fruits, with Buenoa
Ayres; and its population is continually increased, from its vicinity
to tiie famous silver mine of Uspallata, which the inhabitants
work to great profit
St Juan, which is forty-five leag;uesfrom Mendoza, is also situa-
ted near the Andes, in 31. 4. degrees of latitude, and 308. 31. (^ lon-
gitude. It has the same number of inhabitants, churches and con"
vents as Mendoza ; and trades with Buenos Ayres, in brandy, fruita
and Vicugna skins. The pomegranates of its vicinity are greatly
esteemed in Chili, for their size and sweetness. This city is go-
verned by a Cabildo, and a Lieutenant of the Prefect, or Corregí-
dor of Mendoza.
In the year 1596, the small city of La Punta, or StLodovico of
LoyoUif was founded in the eastern part of Cujo ; it received kt
nftme from Don Martin Loyola, at' that time governor of Chilif
271 •
and is situated in 33.47. degrees of latitude, and in 311. 33. of longi-
tude, at the distance of about 62 leagues from Mendoza Not with*
standing it is the thoroughfare of all the commerce between Chili,
Cujo and Buenos Ayres,it is a miserable place, and the inhabitants
scarcely amount te two hundred. It has a parisli church, one that
belonged to the Jesuits, and a convent of Dominicans. The civil
and military government of this city, as well as of its jurisdiction,
which is very extensive and populous, is administered by a Lieu-
tenant, or Vicar of the Corregidor of Mendoza. Besides these
cities, Cujo contains the towns of Jachal, Vallofertil, Mogna,
Corocorto, Leonsito, Calingarta and Pismanta, but these do not
merit particular attention.
The Patagonians, who border upon Chili, and of whose gigantic
stature so much has been written in Europe, from the most accu-
rate information, diíFer not materially in this respect from other
men. The Pojas, who form one of their tribes, live undet the go-
vernment of several petty princes, indépendant of each other.
These people acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being, and
believe in the immortality of the soul. A singular kind of polygamy
prevails aknong them, the women bemg permitted by their laws
to have several husbands. As to the Cesari, the sftpposed neigh-
bours of the Chilians, of whom such wonderful stories are told,
they are merely an imaginary people, who have no existence but
in the fancy of those who take a pleasure in the marvellous.
Pages, line 9, (author's preface) ybr " those provinces that me-
rits" read its provinces meriting.
7 8, (author's preface) for " these" read the latter.
4 9, for " which" read these. •. ^
6 c 26, /or "those" re«ci these.
7 20, /or " is" read are.
17 21, fl/?er " clouds" ¿Twer/ thus.
22 26, /)r "provinces" recti? countries.
22 28, afier " two" insert provinces.
24 6, (note) /or " was no greater, if any," read if any,
was no greater.
45 14, for « is" read are.
^ 1, for ** gangas" read gangues.
92 19, for « tail" read culle.
29, after " gourd" insert or pumpkin.
94 1, (note)/or " doical" read dioecial.
101 4, ûf^«orredtail."
11, afïer " sassia" insert tinctoria.
128 6, (note) /or " shell" read scale.
7, (note) ybr " shells" read scales.
165 9, after " and" insert a.
169, insert the following note to the Thage or Pelican : — ^Thc
attachment of the pelican to its young is proverbial,
but from a fact communicated by a gentleman who was
an eye witness, it would seem that the afiectionate care
of this bird is extended to all its species. The natives
of California, in order to procure themselves fish, fre-
quently fasten a disabled pelican to a rock, by which
means, from the vast quantities brought it by others of
its specie^, they are abundantly supplied.
178, line 17, for " sound" read sounds.
184 14, for " digs" read makes.
192 21, after " with" dele a.
199 10, dele " are.'*
228 13, for " is" read arc.
233 IS J for " Baroanes" read Boroanes.
18, for " white, and as well formed" read fair and
ruddy, have blue eyes and red hair, and are
as well featured. Sec.
234 20^ for " description" read descriptions.
236 3, for " Ulman" read Ulmen.
21, for " north oP* read mouth of the»
246 27, before " sperraa" insert 3.
2^5 3, rfe/e"that"
256 5^ for "miles" rwrf leagues.
at64 5, i/or "farmers" r^ac? turner A
18, for " «;ity " read fifty.[SEP]
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Some costs of superposition
I don't expect this post to contain anything novel. But from talking to others it seems like some of what I have to say in this post is not widely known, so it seemed worth writing.
In this post I'm defining superposition as: A representation with more features than neurons, achieved by encoding the features as almost orthogonal vectors in neuron space.
One reason to expect superposition in neural nets (NNs), is that for large n, Rn has many more than n almost orthogonal directions. On the surface, this seems obviously useful for the NN to exploit. However, superposition is not magic. You don't actually get to put in more information, the gain you get from having more feature directions has to be paid for some other way.
All the math in this post is very hand-wavey. I expect it to be approximately correct, to one order of magnitude, but not precisely correct.
Sparsity
One cost of superposition is feature activation sparsity. I.e, even though you get to have many possible features, you only get to have a few of those features simultaneously active.
(I think the restriction of sparsity is widely known, I mainly include this section because I'll need the sparsity math for the next section.)
In this section we'll assume that each feature of interest is a boolean, i.e. it's either turned on or off. We'll investigate how much we can weaken this assumption in the next section.
If you have m features represented by n neurons, with m>n, then you can't have all the features represented by orthogonal vectors. This means that an activation of one feature will cause some some noise in the activation of other features.
The typical noise on feature f1 caused by 1 unit of activation from feature f2, for any pair of features f1, f2, is (derived from Johnson–Lindenstrauss lemma)
ϵ=√8ln(m)n [1]
If l features are active then the typical noise level on any other feature will be approximately ϵ√l units. This is because the individual noise terms add up like a random wa
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Why would an AI try to figure out its goals?
> "So how can it ensure that future self-modifications will accomplish its current objectives? For one thing, it has to make those objectives clear to itself. If its objectives are only implicit in the structure of a complex circuit or program, then future modifications are unlikely to preserve them. Systems will therefore be motivated to reflect on their goals and to make them explicit." -- Stephen M. Omohundro, The Basic AI Drives
> This AI becomes able to improve itself in a haphazard way, makes various changes that are net improvements but may introduce value drift, and then gets smart enough to do guaranteed self-improvement, at which point its values freeze (forever). -- Eliezer Yudkowsky, What I Think, If Not Why
I have stopped understanding why these quotes are correct. Help!
More specifically, if you design an AI using "shallow insights" without an explicit goal-directed architecture - some program that "just happens" to make intelligent decisions that can be viewed by us as fulfilling certain goals - then it has no particular reason to stabilize its goals. Isn't that anthropomorphizing? We humans don't exhibit a lot of goal-directed behavior, but we do have a verbal concept of "goals", so the verbal phantom of "figuring out our true goals" sounds meaningful to us. But why would AIs behave the same way if they don't think verbally? It looks more likely to me that an AI that acts semi-haphazardly may well continue doing so even after amassing a lot of computing power. Or is there some more compelling argument that I'm missing?
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Why I'm Working On Model Agnostic Interpretability
Work done @ SERI-MATS.
This is the first in a short series of short posts about interpretability. In this post, I'm collecting some thoughts on why model agnostic interpretability is a worthwhile pursuit. I'll assume that the reader is sympathetic to arguments for interpretability in general. If you're not, maybe Neel can help.
Model agnostic interpretability methods are those which treat the model in question as a black box. They don't require access to gradients or activations, and make no assumptions about the model's architecture. The model inside could be a support vector machine; a deep neural network; a reinforcement learning agent; a set of water filled pipes; or a human in a box with a set of instructions: any system that produces some output in response to some input. This is in contrast to model specific interpretability methods, which either require access to the internal state of the model, or make assumptions about its architecture.
Model agnostic interpretability methods are entirely perturbation-based, meaning that they consist of various different ways of changing the input, and looking at how the output changes (what else is there to do?). It turns out that there are many ways to do this, and I will refer you to other excellent overviews rather than reiterating them here.
Here's an example of perturbation-based saliency mapping, a model agnostic interpretability method. Parts of the input are iteratively perturbed, and the resulting changes in the logit for the class 'dog' are mapped to the location of those perturbations.
Some of these methods (like perturbation-based saliency mapping) work with any kind of data. You could perform the same kind of iterative perturbation upon time-series, or text, or tabular inputs, or RL environments in a pretty straightforward manner. Other methods (like feature visualisation) rely on a searchable input space, which makes them harder to apply to arbitrary input types (although I suspect not impossible – more
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Against sacrificing AI transparency for generality gains
One of the cornerstone issue of AI alignment is the black box problem. Our machine learning models are inscrutable tables of floating point numbers and we don't know how to decpher them to understand what is actually going on inside. This is bad. Everyone seem to agree that this is bad. And for some reason we keep making it worse.
I've heard about some efforts to increase AI transparency. To look inside the black box and figure out some of the gears inside of it. I think they are noble and important. And yet they are absolutely inadequte. It's incredibly hard to decipher human-understandable insights from the ML model. While, encoding the approximation of an existent algorithm in one is easy. Interpretability research in the current climate is not just going against a flow, it's an attempt to row a boat against a tsunami.
So maybe we should, at first, stop decreasing the AI transparency: making even more complex, more general models, encrypting even somewhat known algorithms into inscrutable float tables? This seems as an obvious thought to me. Let our AI tools consist of multiple ML models connected by inputs and outputs in an actual human readable code. Multiple black boxes with some known interactions between them is superior transparency-wise to one huge black box where nothing is known for sure. And yet we seem to continue moving in the opposite direction.
More and more general models are developed. GATO can do multiple different tasks with exactly the same weights. When CICERO was released and it was revealed that it consists of a language model working in conjunction with a strategy engine, it was casually mentioned that we should expect a unified model in the future. GPT-4 can take images as an input. I hope OpenAI is using a separate model to parse them, so it's a two black boxes scenario instead of one, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's not the case. Why are we accepting this for granted? Why are we not opposing these tendencies?
I expect that if h
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Offer: free/low-cost decision support services for world-improving initiatives
(Crossposted from the EA Forum)
I am a full-time independent consultant who specializes in strategy, research, and decision consulting for mission-driven clients. As part of my work, I regularly devise new services that I think could be high-impact for teams working on important projects. One of these innovations, the decision inventory, is cheap enough for me to implement that I’ve decided to offer a limited number of decision inventory sessions this fall on a pay-what-you-want/can basis to collaborators in the EA/LessWrong community and others doing high-impact work. My reasons for doing this are as follows:
* EA and EA-adjacent organizations are working on some of the most important issues in the world, and if I can help make their day-to-day management practices even a little bit more sophisticated, that could have major downstream impacts that I would feel very good about.
* Many of these organizations and projects are modestly resourced and/or don’t have dedicated budgets to hire external consultants. For these reasons, otherwise valuable projects might often fail to materialize solely because of logistical considerations.
For more about the specific service I’m offering, read on! Or if you’re ready to sign up now, visit this link.
About decision inventories
Human beings are decision-making machines: we make them all day, every day, from birth until the very end. Ironically, though, most of us would struggle to name off the top of our heads a single important decision we made this week. The explanation for that phenomenon is quite simple: the vast majority of us do not make an explicit habit of cataloguing our most important decisions, whether ahead of time or after the fact. And the same is true of the organizations we work for and in. As a result, even some of the smartest people and teams in the world end up allocating attention and resources toward decision-making almost completely subconsciously! In doing so, we continually risk prioritizing what f
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This assumes that all the leg motors operate at near constant torque, which is often a reasonable assumption for direct-drive legged-robot motors given their typical low-speed, torque-limited regime of operation. In these experiments, the motor torque is limited by the power electronics’s 43 A maximum current output, so a U8-16 motor being driven at 12 V hits the speed-torque curve and becomes power-limited when rotating faster than 42 rad/sec. The maximum angular velocity observed on the leg motors was less than 30 rad/sec, so the leg motors never leave their low-speed torque-limited regime of operation.
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An established metric for evaluating the ability of a direct-drive limb to generate forces is thermal cost of force (for a normalized motor constant) given by the mean of the squared singular values of the forward kinematic Jacobian [14, page 48], [3]. As shown in the analysis above, in general smaller singular values are achievable by decreasing the length of lever arms in the (possibly parallel) kinematic chain to gain a greater mechanical advantage.
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Dana Kulić, Yoshihiko Nakamura, Oussama Khatib and Gentiane Venture (eds.)2016 International Symposium on Experimental RoboticsSpringer Proceedings in Advanced Robotics110.1007/978-3-319-50115-4\_15
Experiments with Hierarchical Reinforcement Learning of Multiple Grasping Policies
Takayuki Osa¹ , Jan Peters¹ and Gerhard Neumann¹
(1)
Technische Universität Darmstadt, Hochschulstr. 10, 64289 Darmstadt, Germany
Takayuki Osa (Corresponding author)
Email: [email protected]
Jan Peters
Email: [email protected]
Gerhard Neumann
Email: [email protected]
Abstract
Robotic grasping has attracted considerable interest, but it still remains a challenging task. The data-driven approach is a promising solution to the robotic grasping problem; this approach leverages a grasp dataset and generalizes grasps for various objects. However, these methods often depend on the quality of the given datasets, which are not trivial to obtain with sufficient quality. Although reinforcement learning approaches have been recently used to achieve autonomous collection of grasp datasets, the existing algorithms are often limited to specific grasp types. In this paper, we present a framework for hierarchical reinforcement learning of grasping policies. In our framework, the lower-level hierarchy learns multiple grasp types, and the upper-level hierarchy learns a policy to select from the learned grasp types according to a point cloud of a new object. Through experiments, we validate that our approach learns grasping by constructing the grasp dataset autonomously. The experimental results show that our approach learns multiple grasping policies and generalizes the learned grasps by using local point cloud information.
Keywords
GraspingReinforcement learningPoint clouds
1 Introduction
Grasping is a crucial aspect in robot manipulation, and many approaches to achieve robust and adaptive grasping have been proposed in literature [1, 2]. Despite these efforts, robotic grasping has not achieved human-level performance. The data-driven approach yields a promising class of grasping methods [2, 3]. These methods leverage grasp datasets and transfer grasping motions to new target objects based on geometric information. Recent data-driven methods generalize grasps to various objects based on point clouds or RGB-D image data [4–8]. However, the performance of these data-driven methods is highly dependent on the quality of the grasp dataset, which is not easy to obtain with sufficient quality. The manual collection of such a grasp dataset can be avoided if a robotic system autonomously collects the dataset by trial and error.
One solution to this problem is to use reinforcement learning [9]. A few methods for autonomous data collection of grasping have been proposed recently [10, 11]. However, these methods are based on convolutaional neural network (CNN) and limited to 2D image inputs lacking depth information. Consequently, these methods are limited to simple grasping motions, e.g., vertical pinch grasps. However, studies in the area of human grasping indicate that multiple grasp types are necessary in order to achieve dexterous and human-like manipulation [12, 13].
In this paper, we present a hierarchical reinforcement learning approach for learning to plan grasping motions based on point clouds. In our approach, the lower-level hierarchy learns multiple grasp types, and the upper-level hierarchy learns a policy to select from the learned grasp types according to the point cloud of the given object. We empirically validate that our approach learns grasping by constructing the grasp dataset autonomously. The experimental results demonstrate that the grasping performance of our approach improves iteratively by updating the grasping policy and the grasp dataset. In addition, from our experiments, we verify that the learned grasping policies can be generalized for various objects by leveraging local features of the given point cloud of the object.
2 Related Work
Data-driven methods have been very popular in the field of robotic grasping. Recent studies demonstrated that grasp planning based on point clouds or RGB-D images can be generalized to various objects without solid 3D models [4–8]. However, the performance of these methods depends significantly on the quality of the training dataset of grasping motions and objects. In addition, these methods using RGB-D data are often limited to simple two-finger grippers and specific approach directions. For example, a method in [4] computes Height Accumulated Features (HAF) and detects the grasp locations. This method performs well even in scenarios with multiple objects. However, it requires a training dataset with thousands of grasps.
Reinforcement learning is a promising approach for autonomous data generation. The study by Kroemer et al. showed that grasping can be learned and improved autonomously using such a reinforcement learning approach [14]. However, the authors did not completely address the problem of generalizing grasps for new scenes. Recent studies have investigated methods for autonomous large-scale data collection for grasp learning [10, 11]. The method presented in [10] showed the feasibility of autonomously collecting a dataset with thousands of grasps and training a CNN to predict grasp locations. Levine et al. proposed the learning of hand-eye coordination for grasping by using CNN [11]. However, the methods in [10, 11] are limited to a specific grasp type and 2D image input lacking depth information, although use of depth information and learning multiple grasp types are essential to achieve dexterous manipulations.
In contrast with previous studies, our approach has three important features: (1) learning multiple grasp types, (2) autonomously constructing the grasp dataset through trial and error, and (3) planning the grasping motion based on point clouds. To the best of our knowledge, previous studies have not proposed a learning method that has includes all these features.
3 Learning Multiple Grasping Policies
In order to make our problem tractable, we divide the problem of learning to grasp into four steps: (1) find the potential grasp locations, (2) select the grasp type and location, (3) perform the selected grasp, and (4) update the grasping policy. Our framework is summarized in Fig. 1. The system learns a policy consisting of two layers: the upper-level policy [$$\pi \_{u}$$] selects the appropriate grasp types and grasp locations, and the lower-level policy [$$\pi \_{l}$$] maps the desired grasp location to the grasping motion with a specific grasp type.
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Fig. 1.
Overview of the algorithm. First, the grasping policy is initialized, and the dataset of contact information is created based on human demonstration. The individual lower-level policy [$$\pi \_{l}$$] is learned for each grasp type. The grasp quality R is approximated with Gaussian Processes (GPs). GPs are used to evaluate each combination of grasp type and location. When the point cloud of a new object is given, potential grasp locations are estimated using the grasp dataset. Subsequently, the upper-level policy [$$\pi \_{u}$$] selects the grasp type and location. After every grasp execution, the grasping policy and the dataset are updated.
The grasping policy is initialized using human demonstrations. For each demonstrated grasp, the system stores the contact information of the successful grasp. Simultaneously, the grasping policy, which consists of [$$\pi \_{u}$$] and [$$\pi \_{l}$$], is initialized based on the demonstrated motions. When a new point cloud of the object is given, the system finds multiple local parts similar to the contact parts in the dataset of the successful grasps. Each grasp candidate is provided to the upper-level policy [$$\pi \_{u}$$], which selects one candidate for execution.
Grasping motions for different grasp types are learned as independent policies [$$\pi ^{k}\_{l}$$] by the contextual relative entropy policy search (REPS) algorithm [15–17]. The learned policy [$$\pi ^{k}\_{l}$$] generates the motion parameter [$$\varvec{\theta }$$] using the local features of the estimated grasping part [$$\varvec{s}$$].
The grasp quality R is approximated using Gaussian Processes (GPs) as a function of motion parameter [$$\varvec{\theta }$$] and the feature of the potential grasping part [$$\varvec{s}$$]. Based on the evaluation with the learned GP models, the upper-level policy [$$\pi \_{u}$$] selects the appropriate set of the grasp type and location. We use the upper confidence bound (UCB) objective, which is a well-known acquisition function from Bayesian Optimization (BO) [18–20].
After every grasp execution, the GPs are updated, and the estimation of the grasp quality improves iteratively. Simultaneously, the executed lower-level policy [$$\pi \_{l}$$] is updated using REPS. When the grasping is successful, the contact information is stored in the dataset for the corresponding grasp. Consequently, the dataset containing the contact information of the grasp is constructed autonomously.
3.1 Learning to Select the Grasp Type and the Grasp Location
In order to select the grasp type and the grasp location from the given candidates, we need to evaluate the expected grasp quality [$${{\mathrm{\mathbb {E} }}}[R | \pi ^{k}\_{l}, \varvec{s}]$$]. We approximate the grasp quality of the kth grasp type with a GP as a function of the movement parameters [$$\varvec{\theta }$$] and the grasp location features [$$\varvec{s}$$], i.e.,
[$$\begin{aligned} R^{k}( \varvec{\theta }, \varvec{s} ) \sim \mathcal {GP} \left( m \, \left( \varvec{z} \right), g \left( \varvec{z}, \varvec{z}' \right) \right) \end{aligned}$$]
(1)
where [$$\varvec{z} = [\varvec{\theta }, \varvec{s}]^{T}$$]. We use a squared exponential covariance function
[$$\begin{aligned} g \left( \varvec{z}\_{i}, \varvec{z}\_{j} \right) = \sigma ^{2}\_{f} \exp \left( - \frac{||\varvec{z}\_{i} - \varvec{z}\_{j} ||^{2} }{ 2l^{2} } \right) + \sigma \_n^2 \delta \_{\varvec{z}\_{i}\varvec{z}\_{j}}, \end{aligned}$$]
(2)
where l is the bandwidth of the kernel, [$$\sigma ^2\_f$$] is the function variance and [$$\sigma ^2\_n$$] is the noise variance. The hyperparameters of GP models [$$[\sigma ^2\_f, l, \sigma ^2\_n]$$] are updated after every rollout by maximizing the marginal log likelihood [21]. We assume zero prior mean, i.e., [$$m(z) = 0$$]; therefore, joint distribution of the quality measure [$$R\_{1:N}$$] of the training set and the quality measure of a query data point [$$R^\*$$] is Gaussian, i.e.,
[$$\begin{aligned} \left[ \begin{array}{c} \varvec{R}^{k}\_{1:N} \\ R^{\*} \end{array} \right] \sim \mathcal {N} \left( 0, \left[ \begin{array}{cc} \varvec{G}\_{k} &{} \varvec{g}\_{k} \\ \varvec{g}^{T}\_{k} &{} g(\varvec{z}^{\*}, \varvec{z}^{\*}) \end{array} \right] \right) \end{aligned}$$]
(3)
where [$$\varvec{G}$$] is the Gram matrix and [$$\varvec{R}^{k}\_{1:N}$$] is a column vector that contains rewards of rollouts with the kth grasp type as [$$\varvec{R}^{k}\_{1:N} = [R^{k}\_{1}, \cdots, R^{k}\_{N} ]^{T}$$]. In this framework, we employ a stochastic policy [$$\pi ^{k}\_{l}( \varvec{\theta } | \varvec{s} ) \sim \mathcal {N}( \varvec{\mu }^{k}(\varvec{s}), \varvec{\varSigma }^{k}(\varvec{s}) )$$]. In order to estimate [$${{\mathrm{\mathbb {E} }}}[ R | \pi ^{k}\_{l}, \varvec{s}]$$] using GPs, we can consider that the inputs of GPs are drawn from the distribution
[$$\begin{aligned} \varvec{z}^{\*} \sim \mathcal {N} \left( \varvec{\mu }\_{\varvec{z}^{\*}}, \varvec{\varSigma }\_{\varvec{z}^{\*}} \right) \text { where } \varvec{\mu }\_{ \varvec{z} } = \left[ \begin{array}{c} \varvec{\mu }^{k}(\varvec{s}) \\ \varvec{s} \end{array} \right], \varvec{\varSigma }\_{ \varvec{z} } = \left[ \begin{array}{cc} \varvec{\varSigma }^{k}(\varvec{s}) &{} 0\\ 0 &{} 0 \end{array} \right]. \end{aligned}$$]
(4)
To estimate the expected reward for grasp type k when given a context [$$\varvec{s}$$], we need to compute the integral
[$$\begin{aligned} p( R^{\*} | \varvec{\mu }\_{\varvec{z}^{\*}}, \varvec{\varSigma }\_{\varvec{z}^{\*}} ) = \int p( R^{\*} | \varvec{z}, D )p( \varvec{z}^{\*} ) d\varvec{z}^{\*} \end{aligned}$$]
(5)
where D represents the dataset of motion parameters, contexts, and resulting rewards. The studies in [22, 23] showed that the mean and the covariance of this distribution are given by
[$$\begin{aligned} \mu \_{R}&= {{\mathrm{\mathbb {E} }}}[ R^{\*} | \pi ^{k}\_{l}, \varvec{s}^{k} ] = \varvec{q}^{T} \varvec{\beta } \end{aligned}$$]
(6)
[$$\begin{aligned} \sigma \_{R}&= g\_{k} \left( \varvec{z}^{\*}, \varvec{z}^{\*} \right) - \varvec{g}^{T}\_{k}\varvec{G}\_{k}^{-1}\varvec{g}\_{k} + \text {Tr}\left[ \varvec{G}^{-1}\_{k}(\varvec{g}\_{k}\varvec{g}^{T}\_{k} - Q) \right] + \text {Tr}\left[ \varvec{\beta } \varvec{\beta }^{T} ( Q - \varvec{q} \varvec{q}^{T} ) \right] \end{aligned}$$]
(7)
where [$$\varvec{\beta } = \varvec{G}^{-1}\_{k} \varvec{R}^{k}$$], and the vector [$$\varvec{q}$$] and the matrix [$$\varvec{Q}$$] are given by
[$$\begin{aligned} q\_{j}&= \frac{ \exp \left( - \frac{1}{2} ( \varvec{\mu }\_{\varvec{z}^{\*}} - \varvec{z}\_{j} )^{T}( \varvec{\varLambda } + \varvec{\varSigma }\_{ \varvec{z}^{\*} })^{-1} ( \varvec{\mu }\_{\varvec{z}^{\*}} - \varvec{z}\_{j} ) \right) }{ | 2 \varvec{\varLambda } \varvec{\varSigma }\_{ \varvec{z}^{\*} } + I |^{1/2 } }, \end{aligned}$$]
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[$$\begin{aligned} Q\_{ij}&= \frac{ \exp \left( - \frac{1}{2} \left[ ( \varvec{\mu }\_{\varvec{z}^{\*}} - \varvec{z}\_{d} )^{T}( \frac{\varvec{\varLambda }}{2} + \varvec{\varSigma }\_{ \varvec{z}^{\*} })^{-1} ( \varvec{\mu }\_{\varvec{z}^{\*}} - \varvec{z}\_{d} ) + ( \varvec{z}\_{i} - \varvec{z}\_{j} )^{T} (2\varvec{\varLambda }) ( \varvec{z}\_{i} - \varvec{z}\_{j} ) \right] \right) }{ | 2 \varvec{\varLambda } \varvec{\varSigma }\_{ \varvec{z}^{\*} } + I |^{1/2} }, \end{aligned}$$]
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where [$$\varvec{z}\_{d} = \frac{1}{2}( \varvec{z}\_{i} + \varvec{z}\_{j} )$$], and [$$\varvec{\varLambda }$$] is a diagonal matrix with [$$\varvec{\varLambda } = l^{2} \varvec{I}$$].
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These GP models are used to evaluate the grasp locations found for each grasp type. For grasp selection, we must consider the exploration-exploitation trade-off between gaining more information and maximizing the expected quality of the grasp. Such an exploration-exploitation trade-off is considered by many acquisition functions used in BO. We use the UCB [18] acquisition function, which has been shown to perform well in practice. The learner selects the grasp type and location by maximizing the acquisition function
[$$\begin{aligned} u(\pi ^{k}\_{l}, \varvec{s}^k) = {{\mathrm{\mathbb {E} }}}[R^{\*} | \pi ^{k}\_{l}, \varvec{s}^{k}] + \beta \sigma \_{R} ( \pi ^{k}\_{l}, \varvec{s}^{k} ), \end{aligned}$$]
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where [$$\beta $$] is a positive constant that controls the exploration-exploitation trade-off. The algorithm to select the grasp types and locations is summarized in Algorithm 1.
3.2 Finding Potential Grasp Locations
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Fig. 2.
(a) and (b):Point cloud of object with contact points. Blue points represent the point cloud of the object [$$\varvec{P}$$]. Red points represent contact points. Green points represent the neighbors of the contact points [$$\varvec{C}$$]. (c) Example of the result of ICP. Blue, green, red, and yellow points represent a partial point cloud [$$\varvec{p}\_{i}$$] of a given object, the contact part [$$\varvec{C}\_{j}$$] from the dataset of successful grasps, the result of ICP algorithm [$$H^{j}\_{\text {icp}} \varvec{C}\_{j}$$], and the estimated grasp part [$$\varvec{p}\_{\text {grasp}}$$], respectively.
In order to estimate the potential grasp location from a given point cloud, the system searches for local parts that are similar to the point clouds of the contact parts in the library of the successful grasps [$$\mathcal {D}\_{\text {contact}}$$]. In this process, we use the Iterative Closest Points (ICP) algorithm [24], which finds a homogeneous transformation [$$H\_{\text {icp}}$$] that minimizes the distance between two point clouds.
When the point cloud of the target object [$$\varvec{P}\_{\text {target}}$$] is given, the system randomly samples a subset of the point cloud of the new object [$$\varvec{p}\_i \subset \varvec{P}\_{\text {target}}$$]. Subsequently, ICP is performed between [$$\varvec{p}\_i$$] and each contact parts in our dataset [$$\varvec{C}\_j \in \mathcal {D}\_{\text {contact}}$$]. ICP returns the residual distance [$$d\_{\text {icp}}$$] between [$$\varvec{p}\_i$$] and [$$\varvec{C}\_j $$]; therefore, we can determine the successful grasp that is the most similar to the sampled part [$$\varvec{p}\_i$$] from the dataset. Using the result of ICP with the smallest residual distance [$$d^{\*}\_{\text {icp}}$$], we can find the point cloud part that is similar to the grasp part in the dataset. The potential grasp part [$$\varvec{p}\_{\text {grasp}}$$] can be estimated as a point cloud in the neighborhood of [$$H^{j^\*}\_{\text {icp}} \varvec{C}\_{j^\*}$$] from [$$\varvec{P}\_{\text {target}}$$]. Figure 2 shows examples of the contact parts in the dataset and the behavior of ICP. By repeating this local search for different subsets of [$$\varvec{P}\_{\text {target}}$$], we can find multiple potential grasp locations. The process to obtain the grasp locations is summarized in the Algorithm 2. Separate datasets of successful grasps are maintained for different grasp types, and this process is performed for each grasp type.
This method does not require the entire point cloud of the target object because it searches for local features of the point cloud. This feature is useful in the planning of grasps in real systems in which complete point clouds of objects are not available.
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In order to obtain a concise description of the local point cloud [$$\varvec{p}\_{\text {grasp}}$$] at the estimated grasp location, we compute the center of the contact points and the normal vector at the center of the contact points for each finger as
[$$\begin{aligned} \varvec{s} = [\varvec{x}^{1}\_{\text {center}}, \varvec{n}^{1}\_{\text {center}}, \ldots, \varvec{x}^{f}\_{\text {center}}, \varvec{n}^{f}\_{\text {center}}], \end{aligned}$$]
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where [$$\varvec{x}^{i}\_{\text {center}}$$] is the center of the contact part of the ith finger, [$$\varvec{n}^{i}\_{\text {center}}$$] is the normal vector at the center of the contact part of the ith finger, and f is the number of fingers of the hand. This local description of contact points [$$\varvec{s}$$] is used as a context in the contextual policy search of the lower-level policies [$$\pi ^{k}\_{l}$$].
3.3 Learning the Policy for the Desired Grasp Type
We use the contextual REPS algorithm [15, 17] to learn the lower-level policies [$$\pi ^{k}\_{l}(\varvec{\theta }| \varvec{s})$$] that estimate the parameters [$$\varvec{\theta }$$] of the grasping motions with the given contexts for each grasp type. In policy search, the policy must be updated in order to maximize the expected reward. For stable exploration, the “difference” between the old and new policies is bounded in the policy update of REPS. Therefore, the resulting policy will remain close to the initial policy even if the reward function is multi-modal. In our framework, each lower-level policy is initialized by human demonstrations, and REPS finds a locally optimal policy that is associated with the grasp type indicated by human demonstrations.
REPS uses the KL divergence between the sample distribution [$$q(\varvec{s}, \varvec{\theta } )$$] and the updated distribution [$$\pi (\varvec{\theta } | \varvec{s} )\mu \_{\varvec{s}}(\varvec{s})$$] as a similarity measure in the policy update. [$$\mu \_{\varvec{s}}$$] is the distribution of the context. The policy update using contextual REPS is formulated as a constraint optimization problem,
[$$\begin{aligned} \max \_{\pi }&\int \mu \_{\varvec{s}}(\varvec{s} ) \int \pi (\varvec{\theta }| \varvec{s} ) R( \varvec{\theta }, \varvec{s} )d \varvec{\theta } ds \end{aligned}$$]
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[$$\begin{aligned} \mathrm {s.t. }&\epsilon \ge \int \mu \_{\varvec{s}}( \varvec{s} )\text {KL}\left( \pi ( \varvec{\theta } | \varvec{s} ) || q( \varvec{\theta } | \varvec{s} ) \right) d\varvec{s}, \ \ 1 = \int \pi ( \varvec{\theta } | \varvec{s}) d\varvec{s} \end{aligned}$$]
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For details, please refer to the original study and its extensions [15, 16]. Contextual REPS models the policy as a Gaussian policy
[$$\pi (\varvec{\theta }| \varvec{s}) = \mathcal {N}(\varvec{\phi }(\varvec{s})^T \varvec{w}, \varvec{\varSigma }\_{\varvec{\theta }})$$]
with a mean vector [$$\varvec{\mu }\_{\varvec{\theta }} = \varvec{\phi }(\varvec{s})^T \varvec{w}$$] that is linear in the context features [$$\varvec{\phi }(\varvec{s})$$]. We require a policy that is non-linear in the original context [$$\varvec{s}$$] because grasping is a complex task. Therefore, we use a squared exponential feature where we select M random samples [$$\varvec{s}$$] from our dataset, i.e., the ith dimension of [$$\varvec{\phi }$$] is given by
[$$\begin{aligned} \phi \_{i} ( \varvec{s}) = \exp \left( - \frac{1}{2} \left( \varvec{s}\_{i} - \varvec{s} \right) ^{T} \varvec{\varLambda }\_{\phi } \left( \varvec{s}\_{i} - \varvec{s} \right) \right), \end{aligned}$$]
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where [$$\varvec{\varLambda }\_{\phi }$$] is a diagonal matrix that defines the bandwidth for each element of the context vector [$$\varvec{s}$$].
4 Experimental Results
4.1 Simulations
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Fig. 3.
Objects used to learn multiple grasp types: objects 1 and 2 were used for precision grasp, objects 3 and 4 were used for power grasp, and objects 5 and 6 were used for medium-wrap grasp.
In the simulation experiments, the system learned three grasp types: precision grasp, power grasp, and medium wrap [13]. In order to initialize the grasping policy, a human operator specified the control parameters to demonstrate each type of grasping. For each grasp type, 12 demonstrations were given to the system. Then, the grasping policy was initialized, and the system learned to generalize the control parameters for given objects in different positions. During the learning phase, point clouds of objects were provided to the system, and the system autonomously chose the grasp type and location and executed the grasp using the motion parameters [$$\varvec{\theta }$$]. The grasping policy was updated after every grasp execution. We used the model of KUKA Light Weight Robot and DLR/HIT II Hand as a robotic manipulator in the simulation.
In the simulation, the motion parameter [$$\varvec{\theta }$$] of the lower-level policies was given as
[$$\begin{aligned} \varvec{\theta } = [ \varvec{x}\_{\text {grasp}}, \varvec{x}\_{\text {via}}, \varvec{q}\_{\text {grasp}}], \end{aligned}$$]
(15)
where [$$\varvec{x}\_{\text {grasp}}$$] is the grasp position of the end-effector in Cartesian space, [$$\varvec{x}\_{\text {via}}$$] is the via point of the end-effector in Cartesian space, and [$$\varvec{q}\_{\text {grasp}}$$] is a quaternion that represents the orientation of the end-effector in the grasp position. The finger configuration was initialized using the human demonstration, and was not included in the motion parameter for the learning phase. We used the contact information of the thumb and index finger of the hand as a context [$$\varvec{s}$$]. Therefore, the context vector [$$\varvec{s}$$] had 12 dimensions.
The grasp quality R for each rollout is computed based on the force-closure condition and [$$L^{1}$$] grasp quality measure [25–27] as
[$$\begin{aligned} R = c\_{1}Q + c\_{2}\delta \_{\text {FC}}, \end{aligned}$$]
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where Q is the [$$L^{1}$$] grasp quality measure, and [$$\delta \_{\text {FC}} $$] is equal to 1 when the grasp is force-closure and is equal to zero otherwise. The variables [$$c\_{1}$$] and [$$c\_{2}$$] are positive constants.
We compared two policy search methods in the proposed framework. Although we use REPS for the lower policies to learn multiple grasp types in this study, other policy search methods can be used in the proposed framework. We compared Reward-Weighted-Regression (RWR) algorithm with REPS [28]. RWR is a policy search method that performs well for real robot tasks, however, it does not constrain the KL divergence in the policy update. Therefore, a comparison between REPS and RWR indicates the manner in which the KL bound in the policy update influences the proposed framework. With regard to the upper-level policy, we compared [$$\epsilon $$]-greedy policy with UCB [9]. In this simulation, We set [$$\epsilon = 0.05$$].
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Fig. 4.
Performance in simulation. (a) Grasps performed in simulation. (b) Improvement in grasp success rate. (c) Improvement in grasp quality estimation.
As shown in Fig. 3, we used six objects. Objects 1 and 2 were used to demonstrate precision grasps, objects 3 and 4 were used to demonstrate power grasps, and objects 5 and 6 were used to demonstrate medium-wrap grasps. In the learning phase, test objects were randomly chosen from these objects.
Grasps performed in the simulation are shown in Fig. 4(a). The grasp success rate improved through trials from 67.5[$$\%$$] at the beginning to 94.1[$$\%$$] after 400 trials of grasping (Fig. 4(b)). In addition, the estimation of the grasp quality with GPs improved through trials as shown in Fig. 4(c).
The comparison between REPS and RWR shows that the KL bound in the policy update enables efficient exploration in the search space. The differences between REPS+UCB and RWR+UCB and between REPS+EPS and RWR+EPS are statistically significant at the 5[$$\%$$] level. The comparison between UCB and the [$$\epsilon $$]-greedy implied that UCB can deal with the exploration-exploitation trade-off better than the [$$\epsilon $$]-greedy policy in the proposed framework, although the differences between RWR+UCB and RWR+EPS and between REPS+UCB and REPS+EPS were not statistically significant.
4.2 Experiments with a Real Robot
We tested whether our learned model can be transferred to a real robotic system. The grasping policy was learned through 400 grasp executions in the simulation described in Sect. 4.1. We used 10 objects as shown in Fig. 6. For each object, grasps were tested five times by changing the object position and orientation. KUKA Light Weight Robot and DLR/HIT II Hand were used for this experiment. The arm and fingers of the robot were controlled by using impedance control.
The results of the experiment are summarized in Table 1. The success rate was 90[$$\%$$], and the performed grasps are shown in Fig. 7. Figure 5 shows the steps in the ICP process to find potential grasping parts. Our approach using ICP performed well with partial point clouds obtained from real scenes using the Kinect.
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Fig. 5.
Examples of the process using ICP to find local features that are similar to stored successful grasps. In the middle figures, the green dots represent the contact part in the dataset of successful grasps, and the red dots represent the result of ICP. In the right figures, the green dots represent the estimated contact part of the thumb, and the orange dots represent the estimated contact part of the index finger.
The shapes of the objects are different from the shapes of the object models used in simulations. Hence, these results show that the learned policy can be used for objects with unseen shapes. In addition, the results demonstrate that the learned policy can successfully plan the grasping motion by using only the partial point clouds of objects.
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Fig. 6.
Objects used in the experiment.
Table 1.
Grasp performance in a real robotic system. The object numbers correspond to the numbers in Fig. 7.
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Fig. 7.
Grasps performed in the experiment. The robot chose the appropriate grasp types and successfully executed the grasps using the
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Investigating Emergent Goal-Like Behavior in Large Language Models using Experimental Economics
Epistemic status: My Best Guess (some preliminary empirical evidence- more experiments and critique required)
This post introduces an early-draft working paper investigating the propensity of LLMs to cooperate and reciprocate in the Prisoner's Dilemma: <https://sphelps.net/papers/llm-cooperation.> I plan on submitting to arXiv after incorporating feedback from the community. An edited version of the paper's introduction is given below.
TLDR; there has been some discussion on applying ideas from game theory to bring the incentives of AI agents into alignment with human goals, but as far as I know there has been little empirical investigation of how actual AIs behave in cooperative tasks when faced with e.g. conditional altruism (though happy to be corrected). We decided to investigate this empirically by running experiments. Preliminary investigation with GPT-3.5 indicates that LLMs can operationalise natural language descriptions of altruism and selfishness into appropriate behaviour in the iterated PD to some extent, but exhibit limitations in adapting their behavior based on conditioned reciprocity.
Motivation and background
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Many scenarios discussed in the AI alignment debate focus on competitive zero-sum interactions. For example, a common analogy is competition for resources between different species occupying a particular niche; for example, [[Tegmark, 2023](https://sphelps.net/papers/llm-cooperation/bibliography.html#id12)] argues
> We humans drove the West African Black Rhino extinct not because we were rhino-haters, but because we were smarter than them and had different goals for how to use their habitats and horns. In the same way, superintelligence with almost any open-ended goal would want to preserve itself and amass resources to accomplish that goal better.
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In an AI safety context, the intuition behind such arguments is that AI systems have been to shown to outsmart humans in zero-sum games such as Chess and Go, and therefore if AI systems find themselves in situations in which they are competing with humans, the AI “species” will clearly out-compete inferior humans.
However, many interactions in both natural and artificial settings are characterized by non-zero-sum payoff structures [[Phelps and Russell, 2015](https://sphelps.net/papers/llm-cooperation/bibliography.html#id13)]. A famous example that was used to analyse existential risk of nuclear conflict during the cold war is the Prisoner’s Dilemma [[Axelrod, 1997](https://sphelps.net/papers/llm-cooperation/bibliography.html#id14)]. In an ecological context a related non-zero-sum game, the Hawk-Dove game, also known as the Chicken game, was introduced by [[Maynard-Smith, 1973](https://sphelps.net/papers/llm-cooperation/bibliography.html#id16)] as a way to analyse the outcomes of competition for resources among animals. In certain payoff structures, limited conflict can be an evolutionary equilibrium of this game when interactions are repeated within a large population. This game has been also applied to an analysis of existential risk in nuclear conflict; [[Dixit *et al.*, 2019](https://sphelps.net/papers/llm-cooperation/bibliography.html#id15)] argue that the Cuban missile crisis can be analysed as a high-stakes dynamic chicken game in which neither the USSR nor the USA wanted to “blink” first.
Interestingly, in a one-shot version of the game, behaving irrationally by limiting one’s options can be a superior strategy. This is because in the absence of such limiting, attempts to manipulate the other player through brinkmanship are not credible threats. For example, in a game of Chicken where two opposing drivers are on a collision course and neither driver wants to be seen as the “chicken” by swerving, if we limit our choices by removing the steering wheel, and make this common knowledge, then the opposing driver’s best response is to swerve. Similar arguments were used during the cold war to remove rational deliberation from the decision whether to retaliate in the event of a preemptive strike by the enemy by “taking the human out of the loop” and putting systems on automated hair-trigger alert to make the threat of mutually assured destruction credible [[Kahn, 1960](https://sphelps.net/papers/llm-cooperation/bibliography.html#id18)]. Thus, in contrast to chess or Go, in non-zero-sum interactions, the most ruthless agents, or those with superior cognitive capacity, do not necessarily prevail.
Moreover, in both one-shot and iterated Prisoner’s Dilemma games with the number of rounds being common knowledge, the rational strategy is to defect, but experiments have shown that real people tend to cooperate, albeit conditionally. The fact that real people cooperate in these scenarios, despite the seemingly rational strategy to defect, highlights the importance of social norms in shaping human behavior [[Fehr and Fischbacher, 2004](https://sphelps.net/papers/llm-cooperation/bibliography.html#id17)]. Norms can facilitate cooperative outcomes by providing a shared understanding of acceptable behavior and allowing for the enforcement of rules through social sanctions.
In the context of AI alignment and non-zero-sum games, this underscores the importance of considering not only the cognitive capacity of AI agents but also their understanding and adherence to social norms. The ability of AI systems to adapt their behavior based on natural language prompts and to engage in reciprocal cooperation is crucial for creating AI agents that can better align with human values in complex, non-zero-sum settings.
By investigating the behavior of AI-generated agents in the iterated Prisoner’s Dilemma and other social dilemmas such as the ultimatum game we can contribute to a more comprehensive understanding of AI alignment in various interaction scenarios. This knowledge can, in turn, inform the development of AI systems that are better equipped to navigate the complexities of human cooperation and competition, while adhering to social norms and human values.
Researchers have argued that the prompt itself plays a crucial role in shaping the emergent behaviour from the model; for example, the default “helpful assistant” behavior of AI chatbots such as GPT-3 has been noted to differ from that of specific simulacra instantiated by user prompts (c.f. prompts used to “jail-break” GPT models) [[0xk1g0, 2023](https://sphelps.net/papers/llm-cooperation/bibliography.html#id4), [Janus, 2023](https://sphelps.net/papers/llm-cooperation/bibliography.html#id3)]. More generally, LLMs can be arbitrarily scaffolded by injecting contextual information [[Beren, 2023](https://sphelps.net/papers/llm-cooperation/bibliography.html#id5)]. A particular use-case of a scaffolded LLM involves injecting information about a world-state, together with a persona that incorporates specific goals, which can be used to instantiate autonomous agents, either in the real-world [[Richards, 2023](https://sphelps.net/papers/llm-cooperation/bibliography.html#id6)], or in mult-agent simulations [[Park *et al.*, 2023](https://sphelps.net/papers/llm-cooperation/bibliography.html#id7)].
From an AI alignment perspective, the fact that large language models can easily be scaffolded to deploy autonomous goal-oriented agents into production at very little cost highlights the need to systematically evaluate the conditions in which LLM-instantiated agents have a propensity or otherwise to cooperate in social dilemmas.
Given that the nature of an LLM agent depends on the persona and context introduced in the initial prompt, a key question is to what extent the level of cooperation elicited from the AI depends on features of the prompt. In particular, we are interested in whether large language models are capable of translating concepts such as altruism and selfishness, as expressed in natural language, into corresponding action policies in social dilemmas. This question is important, as the ability to operationalise these concepts in a variety of contexts would demonstrate the LLMs are capable of understanding and acting on cooperative norms that underpin human social behavior. This is the key research question investigated in our paper.
The full description of the study, including [the results](https://sphelps.net/papers/llm-cooperation/Results.html), can be found in [the paper](https://sphelps.net/papers/llm-cooperation/), and the code used to conduct the experiments and the raw data can be found in the [github repo](https://github.com/phelps-sg/llm-cooperation).
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came as “a thunderbolt to physicists, something so shocking that we are still reeling from the impact,” Leonard Susskind wrote in his book The Cosmic Landscape.
Leonard Susskind by Linda Cicero-Stanford News Service
“Physicists everywhere were asking, ‘Is the experiment wrong?’” Renata Kallosh recalled.
But with every passing year, new experiments confirmed the results: Expansion is accelerating, not slowing down. For those results to be true, an elusive force that physicists had come to refer to as “dark energy” must be real.
Dark Energy Survey
Dark Energy Camera [DECam], built at FNAL
Einstein had predicted the existence of dark energy in 1917 when he applied his general theory of relativity to the structure of space-time. He needed a hypothetical force to prevent the universe from collapsing, so he invented a repulsive, space-filling energy that he called the cosmological constant, or lambda. When astronomers discovered in the 1920s that the universe is expanding, Einstein realized that lambda was no longer necessary and he scrapped the idea, calling it his “biggest blunder.”
But Einstein may have been too hard on himself. Today, most physicists think that dark energy, the cosmological constant and lambda all refer to a repulsive energy infused in empty space itself. Quantum mechanics predicts that the spontaneous creation and annihilation of ghostly “virtual particles” generates an anti-gravitational force whose influence grows with the age and size of the universe.
When astronomers were able to measure lambda experimentally, they found it had a positive but bewilderingly tiny value that was about a trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion times weaker than theory predicted. The Nobel Prize-winning physicist Steven Weinberg called this humiliating mismatch between observation and theory “the bone in our throat.”
Equally perplexing, lambda’s tiny value lay just within the narrow range able to support life. If it were much larger, the universe would expand too quickly for galaxies and stars to form; much smaller, and creation would collapse back into a point.
“Theoretical physics was upside down because of this experimental discovery,” Kallosh said. “We had no explanation whatsoever.”
The cosmological constant problem
The first tentative steps toward resolving what came to be known as the “cosmological constant problem” were taken in 2000 by theorists Joseph Polchinski of the University of California, Santa Barbara, and Raphael Bousso, a Stanford postdoc and a former student of Stephen Hawking. The pair published a paper showing that string theory could give rise to an enormous number of unique vacuum states – vastly more than previously thought. “The vacuum state is what remains if you remove all of the particles from the universe,” Andrei Linde explained. “The properties of a vacuum determine what its particles will look like and what the physics of their interactions will be if it were populated.”
“Theoretical physics was upside down because of this experimental discovery. We had no explanation whatsoever.”
—Renata Kallosh
Professor of Physics
Each vacuum described, in essence, a potential universe with its own singular take on particles and forces. “It was already known that string theory had lots of solutions,” Susskind said, “but their paper showed that it could have a vast number, and among them could be solutions that had these rare traits like a very low cosmological constant.”
But despite offering tantalizing hints of string theory universes that could accommodate dark energy, Polchinski and Bousso, who is now at the University of California, Berkeley, stopped short of actually finding one. “They had a correct but imprecise collection of arguments for this diversity,” Susskind said. “They had no real examples of it.”
In search of de Sitter
The first reasonably concrete example was discovered by theoretical physicist Eva Silverstein, a professor at the Stanford Institute for Theoretical Physics who was motivated by dark energy’s discovery to search for a mechanism that could create a so-called “de Sitter” solution to string theory. De Sitter solutions (named after the Dutch astronomer Willem de Sitter) represent expanding universes with a positive cosmological constant similar to our own. Silverstein wanted to know if a solution existed in string theory that was compatible with the universe that astronomers actually observe. If none could be found, then string theorists had been wasting their time building castles in the air.
Up to that point, string theorists had focused on solutions for universes with a negative lambda called anti-de Sitter space-time. “De Sitter solutions are more complex, and until the discovery of dark energy, no one bothered,” Silverstein said. “Some even argued that de Sitter solutions weren’t possible in string theory, and it remains a complicated subject. But these ‘no go’ arguments did not consider the leading contributions to the potential energy in string theory.”
In 2001, Silverstein published a paper in which she proposed a mechanism for combining various ingredients from string theory – extra dimensions, orientifolds, fluxes and so on – in specific ways to create a de Sitter model. She also predicted that any de Sitter solutions would need to contain certain features. She argued, for example, that the path to positive lambda was indirect and would require making a negative contribution first. “One thing I pointed out early on is that negative contributions to the potential energy, in the right place to produce a local dip in it, would be needed,” Silverstein said, “and that this role could be played by orientifolds, which are defects in string theory’s extra dimensions that have a controlled amount of negative energy.”
Shamit Kachru, Renata Kallosh and Andrei Linde are three of the four authors of an influential paper that came to be known as KKLT. The paper helped lay the groundwork for the String Theory Landscape. (Image credit: L.A. Cicero)
Early in 2003, Kallosh and Linde received an email from Shamit Kachru, who had been visiting the string theorist Sandip Trivedi in India. The quartet of physicists was engaged in a long-distance brainstorming session and Kachru’s message contained the kernel of an idea that had come to him during a flight layover in New Delhi.
When Kallosh plotted data that Kachru had sent, up popped on her computer a chart with the same potential energy dip that Silverstein had predicted. However, this dip had been generated using different string theory ingredients and assumptions. “I knew we were onto something then,” Kallosh said.
Later that year, the four of them published their results in a famous paper that would come to be known simply as KKLT (after the authors’ last initials). KKLT described a class of de Sitter solutions that incorporated a certain symmetry, called supersymmetry, that many physicists were expecting to see confirmed in particle collider experiments.
“KKLT was a very important paper,” said particle physicist Savas Dimopoulos, the Hamamoto Family Professor in the School of Humanities and Sciences. “We don’t see supersymmetric particles in nature, so if symmetry did exist in the early universe, it’s been broken. What KKLT did was point out a breaking mechanism.”
KKLT was also important for psychological reasons. “It was written by members from different parts of the physics community,” Kachru said. “Renata was a supergravity person, Andrei was an inflation person, and Sandip and I were more mathematical string theorists. All of us were saying that this kind of solution of string theory, which allows accelerated expansion due to dark energy, is something to take seriously.”
For these reason, KKLT’s mathematical model, or “construction,” grabbed physicists’ attention in a way that earlier ones had not. Among those affected were Michael Douglas and Frederik Denef, both at Rutgers University at the time, who used the KKLT construction to famously calculate that there might exist as many as 10500 unique “vacua,” or possible universes, with a small cosmological constant. (For perspective, the total number of particles in the observable universe is estimated to be about 1090.)
Around the same time, Susskind published a paper of his own expanding upon his colleagues’ findings. “I was more of a cheerleader than anything else,” Susskind said. “My paper was really just saying, ‘Hey guys, are you paying attention to this? This is happening.’”
Susskind is also credited with naming the emerging concept within string theory of countless hypothetical universes with varying properties: He called it the “anthropic Landscape of string theory,” or the “String Theory Landscape” for short. “The Landscape doesn’t refer to a real place,” Susskind said. “It’s a scientific term borrowed from biology and physics that refers to an energy landscape with lots of hills and valleys. In string theory, the Landscape is incredibly rich, and our universe lies in one of the rare, habitable, low-lying valleys.”
—Leonard Susskind, Professor of Physics
Susskind also reminded his fellow physicists that they already knew of a mechanism that could generate the tremendous diversity of universes predicted by string theory. This “natural candidate” had been pointed out by Bousso and Polchinski years earlier.
Recalling his collaboration with Bousso in 2000, Polchinski, who died in February 2018, wrote in his memoir: “But when Bousso came back a few months later … he had added an important part of the story, the cosmology that allowed the theory to explore all these states. It was just Linde’s eternal chaotic inflation. … I had always assumed that such a thing would not be part of string theory, but in fact it arose quite naturally.”
A Rube Goldberg construction
If the measure of a theory’s beauty is the ratio of how many things it explains to how many assumptions it makes to explain them, then the constructions by Silverstein and KKLT are not pretty. Their authors rummaged through string theory’s pantry for exotic ingredients and combined them in wildly creative ways to concoct their imaginary universes. The KKLT construction in particular, Susskind said, was made up of “jury-rigged, Rube Goldberg contraptions” – a reference to the American inventor famous for his cartoon sketches of gadgets that performed simple tasks in convoluted ways.
But the contrived nature of the de Sitter constructions mattered less to theorists than the fact that they existed at all. In a theory where infinite solutions are possible, Susskind argued, “simplicity and elegance are not considerations.” In all their long years of searching, KKLT and its kin were the clearest signs physicists had ever found that string theory could produce universes roughly resembling our own. The constructions the Stanford theorists produced gave powerful support to physicists’ hope that a mathematical version of our cosmos lay hidden somewhere within string theory’s labyrinthine equations and infinite solutions, and that – with ingenuity, luck and perhaps a late-night revelation or two – it might one day be found.
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• richardmitnick 8:15 am on September 5, 2018 Permalink | Reply
Tags: A Type IV civilization would be undetectable to us, A Type V master race that would function like gods able to harness energy not only from this universe but all universes in all dimensions,, At 100000 times the energy usage we have now we’d have access to 10¹⁷ watts of energy as a Type I civilization,,, Dark Energy, Dyson ring and Dyson bubble,, Micro-scale developed by John D. Barrow,, Physicist Michio Kaku, The Kardashev scale designed by astrophysicist Nikolai Kardashev, The trick for a galactic species would be the constraints of the laws of physics, These feats are very sci-fi and as far as we know impossible to accomplish. But then again we’re a lowly Type 0 civilization with no idea what may lie ahead, To colonize all the stars we could use self-replicating robots that would assemble and maintain the Dyson swarms, We’re a Type Zero Civilization
From Medium: “We’re a Type Zero Civilization”
From Medium
Aug 11, 2018
Updated 9.5.18
Ella Alderson
When will we move up the scale?
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The Kardashev scale, designed by astrophysicist Nikolai Kardashev, was created to assess how advanced a civilization is by taking into consideration multiple factors, including population growth, technology, and energy demands. The idea is that the more advanced the people are, the higher and more complex their energy usage will be. When we first appeared on Earth 200,000 years ago, for example, our species was few in number, and the extent of our energy source was, really, just fire. We now number in the billions and use a combination of wind, solar, and nuclear energy sources, though our main energy supply comes from fossil fuels (it really seems like we just moved on to burning bigger and badder things). The International Energy Agency estimates that each year our societies use an estimated 17.37 terrawatt-hours.
All of this may sound fairly advanced — we’ve come a long way from just using logs to fuel our everyday lives. Yet in reality, we’re really quite primitive compared to where we could be. We still get the majority of our energy from dead plants and animals, a source that will eventually run out sooner or later, and which is helping destroy our planet in the process.
So where do we place on the Kardashev scale? We’re a zero: 0.72, to be more exact. Here’s what we need to move forward.
Type I
To become a Type I civilization we would have to harness all the available energy of our home planet at 100% efficiency. This means capturing the energy of every wave, every beam of sunlight, and every bit of fossil fuel we can dig up. To do that without rendering the entire planet uninhabitable, we’d have to use nuclear fusion. And to create all the energy we need via this method, we would require 280 k/s of hydrogen and helium every second, or 89 billion grams of hydrogen per year. You can gather more than that from one square km of ocean water.
With this ability to harness all energy from Earth also comes the ability to control all of the planet’s natural forces, including volcanoes, geothermal vents, earthquakes, and climate. At 100,000 times the energy usage we have now, we’d have access to 10¹⁷ watts of energy as a Type I civilization. Consider, for example, the ability to control a hurricane. One such storm can release the power of hundreds of hydrogen bombs.
While controlling the weather may sound very fantastical, physicist Michio Kaku theorizes that we’ll reach Type I status in the next 100–200 years, as we continue to grow in population at about 3% per year.
Dyson ring concept drawing (Source: Vedexent/Wikipedia)
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After we’ve been able to harness all the energy from our home planet, we’ll move on to harnessing all the energy of our home star, the sun. One way of doing this is to build a Dyson swarm around the star, or a group of panels capable of reflecting light into small solar power plants which could then send those light beams to Earth for our use. Similar to the work of controlling the forces here on Earth, we’d be able to control the star as well, including the manipulation of solar flares. Another way to get enough energy for a Type II civilization would be to build a fusion reactor on a huge scale or to use a reactor to essentially drain the hydrogen from a nearby gas giant, like Jupiter.
At this point we’re a few thousand years into the future and using 10²⁶ watts of energy. A stellar civilization capable of gathering energy on this scale has become immune to extinction.
Type III
We’ve gone from controlling all the energy of our home planet to our home star and, now, our galaxy. Take the Dyson swarm proposed above and extend it to cover all 100 billion stars of the Milky Way. A civilization this advanced, and with access to this many resources, would truly be a master race, having at their disposal 10³⁶ watts of energy. Hundreds of thousands, even millions of years of evolution would mean that we as a race would look very different, both biologically and in terms of merging with our technology in becoming cyborgs or even fully robotic.
To colonize all the stars we could use self-replicating robots that would assemble and maintain the Dyson swarms, though it’s likely we’ll have found a new energy source by then. This could include tapping into the energy of the black hole at the center of the Milky Way, or even using gamma ray bursts. Another possibility, though they have been yet undetected, would be to find a white hole and to use the energy that emanates from it.
The trick for a galactic species would be the constraints of the laws of physics — how can they be united when their colonies are light years away? They’d have to find a way to move at the speed of light or, even better, create wormholes to other locations.
Kardashev ended the scale here because he didn’t believe it could go any further, stating that any civilizations beyond Type III would be too advanced to even fathom. But other astronomers have since extended the scale to include Type IV and Type V.
Type IV and V
A Type IV civilization would be undetectable to us. It would be able to harness the entire energy of the universe and move across all of space, appearing as nothing more than a work of nature. Some speculate that giant voids in space, like the one 1.8 billion light years across and missing 90% of its galaxies, could be proof of a civilization making use of the universe. But a civilization this advanced might not even harness energy as we know it anymore, choosing instead to move into more exotic substances, like dark energy. They might also live inside black holes, controlling 10⁴⁶ watts of energy. These feats are very sci-fi and, as far as we know, impossible to accomplish. But then again we’re a lowly Type 0 civilization with no idea what may lie ahead.
It gets even more fantastical when one considers a Type V master race that would function like gods, able to harness energy not only from this universe, but all universes in all dimensions. Its energy usage and access to knowledge would be incomprehensible.
The micro-dimensional mastery extension to the Kardashev scale was proposed by John D. Barrow, a scientist who decided to take civilization ranking in the opposite direction, choosing instead to base his scale on how small a people’s control could reach. This scale is outlined differently:
Type I-minus: controlling matter at the observable level, that is, being to manipulate things we can see and touch.
Type II-minus: controlling genes
Type III-minus: controlling molecules
Type IV-minus: controlling atoms
Type V-minus: controlling protons
Type VI-minus: controlling elementary particles, like quarks
Type Omega-minus: controlling fundamental elements of spacetime
Whether using the original or micro version, the beautiful thing about the Kardashev scale is that it’s not just full of fascinating and alien concepts; it’s also a blueprint for where we could go if our species could just make it the next 100 years. Will the human race emerge from our planet and thrive in the universe just as we emerged from Africa and grew to thrive around the world?
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From CNN: “The scientific theories battling to explain the universe”
From CNN
August 17, 2018
FNAL’s Don Lincoln
In human history, there have been many interesting and epic feuds — the Hatfields and McCoys, Bette Davis and Joan Crawford, or the Notorious B.I.G and Tupac. Many of us love to read in tabloids or history books about the salacious details of how the bad blood came to be.
Just like these human characters, scientific theories can also fall into disagreement, causing just as much drama in the science world.
Recently, a group of scientists claimed to have found a fatal tension between two of the scientific community’s most mind-blowing theories: superstrings and dark energy. If the authors are correct, one of the two theories is in trouble.
Superstring theory is a candidate theory of everything, with the operative word being “candidate,” meaning it is not yet accepted by the scientific community. It tries to explain all observed phenomena of the universe with a single principle. At its core, it predicts that the smallest building blocks of the cosmos aren’t the familiar atoms and protons, neutrons, and electrons; nor are the smallest building blocks the even-smaller quarks and lepton that my colleagues and I have discovered. Instead, superstring theory suggests that the very smallest building blocks of all are tiny and vibrating “strings.”
These strings can vibrate in different ways — essentially different notes — with each note looking like one of the known subatomic particles. Waxing slightly poetic, superstring theory explains the universe as a vast and cosmic symphony.
The other popular theory, called dark energy, is quite different. Astronomers have long known that the universe is expanding. For decades, we thought we understood that, because gravity is an attractive force, this expansion would slow over the lifetime of the universe. It was therefore a surprise when, in 1998, astronomers discovered that not only was the expansion of the universe not slowing down — it was speeding up.
To explain this observation, astronomers added a type of energy — called dark energy — to Einstein’s equations describing the behavior of gravity. Dark energy is an energy field that permeates the entire universe. And, because the expansion of the universe is accelerating, dark energy must exist and it must be positive. The reason we know that is simple. If the dark energy didn’t exist or was negative, the expansion of the universe would be slowing down.
So, what is it about these two theories that has caused such a conflict?
In a nutshell, it’s hard to make a superstring theory with positive energy and yet the accelerating expansion of the universe demands it. If one theory is completely accurate it means that a key aspect of the other is wrong. And, on the face of it, things look bad for superstring theory. This is because while dark energy is still a theory, the accelerating expansion of the universe is not. Thus, dark energy is probably true, while superstring theory still remains only a conjecture.
But there’s a reason that scientists aren’t rushing to media platforms to spread the news that superstring theory has been disproved.
It’s because superstring theory is fiendishly complex. Aside from the prediction of subatomic vibrating strings, it also predicts that there are more dimensions of space than our familiar three. In fact, the theory predicts that there are nine in total — 10 if you include time. You’d think that this would be a fatal flaw of the theory, but these additional dimensions are thought to be invisibly small.
Since these extra dimensions (if they exist) are smaller than our best instrumentation can detect, we don’t know what their shapes are, and scientists must consider all possibilities. But there are a lot of possibilities. In fact, there are more configurations than there are atoms in a million universes just like ours. It’s a crazy big number.
So, what conclusion can we draw?
With so many possible configurations, it would seem that superstring theory could predict just about anything, yet the scientists who pointed out the theories’ disagreement are making the bold claim that none of these configurations result in the existence of a positive and constant energy (aka, the theory of dark energy).
And all the data recorded so far have made scientists feel relatively confident that dark energy not only exists, but is also both positive and nearly constant, making it seem likely that, if only one of these theories can be true, it’s dark energy for the win. Still, it’s premature to make any conclusions about the superstrings. It’s possible that scientists are not right about the nature of dark energy and they are using powerful instruments like the Dark Energy Survey to refine their measurements.
The bottom line is that physicists are going to have to take this new idea seriously. It’s not quite a WWE cage match, but it’s going to be fun to watch these theories fight it out.
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From Fermi National Accelerator Lab: “Mapping the universe in 3-D: Fermilab contributes to the Dark Energy Spectroscopic Instrument”
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August 13, 2018
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In 1998, scientists discovered that the universe’s expansion is accelerating. Physicists don’t know how or why the universe is accelerating outward, but they gave the mysterious force behind this phenomenon a name: dark energy.
Scientists know a great deal about the effects of dark energy, but they don’t know what it is. Cosmologists approximate that 68 percent of the universe’s total energy must be made of the stuff. One way to get a better handle on dark energy and its effects is to create detailed maps of the universe, plotting its expansion. Scientists, engineers and technicians are currently building the Dark Energy Spectroscopic Instrument, or DESI, to do just that.
DESI will help create the largest 3-D map of galaxies to date, one that will span a third of the entire sky, stretch back 11 billion light-years, and record approximately 35 million galaxies and quasars.
It will measure the spectra of light emanating from galaxies to determine their distances from Earth. Other surveys have created maps that locate galaxies’ lateral positions in the sky, but scientists using DESI will be able to take more precise measurements of their distance from us, creating high-resolution, 3-D maps.
DESI is currently being installed at the Mayall 4-Meter Telescope at Kitt Peak National Observatory in Tucson, Arizona. Once installation is complete, it will run for five years.
Mayall telescope interior
The DESI project is managed at the U.S. Department of Energy’s Lawrence Berkley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) in California, and the U.S. DOE’s Fermilab is contributing to the ambitious effort with specialty systems for collecting and analyzing the galactic light.
“The collaborative effort to build DESI is an example of how science draws on expertise from multiple institutions toward a common goal, one that humanity is always moving toward: understanding the fundamentals of our universe,” said Berkeley Lab’s Michael Levi, DESI project director.
One of the largest pieces Fermilab is contributing is the DESI corrector barrel. Fermilab collaborators designed, built and tested the barrel, which is roughly the size of a telephone booth. It plays a critical role: holding DESI’s six giant lenses in perfect alignment. To ensure spot-on precision, the barrel is designed so that the lenses are accurately positioned to within the width of a human hair. Collaborators at University College London recently finished installing the lenses in the barrel, and the whole ensemble will soon be lifted onto the telescope.
“The barrel needs to be extremely precise,” said Gaston Gutierrez, Fermilab scientist managing the corrector barrel construction. “If there is any misalignment of the lenses, the error will be highly magnified, and the images will be blurred.”
Fermilab also designed and built large structures that will support a cage surrounding the barrel. These were delivered to the Mayall in April, and their installation has begun.
To convert the light from galaxies into digital information for analysis, DESI will use high-tech versions of the familiar components in typical hand-held cameras — charge coupled devices, or CCDs. Fermilab packaged and tested these sensitive devices before delivering them to Tucson.
The job of collecting the galactic light belongs to DESI’s 5,000 fiber-optic cables, which will help record the spectra of each galaxy. For roughly 20 minutes, each one of the fibers will aim at a single galaxy and record its spectrum. Then the telescope will move to a new position in the sky, and all 5,000 fibers will be moved to point at new galaxies. Fermilab is developing the software that tells the instrument where in the sky to point those fibers. Without this automation, DESI would not be able to measure the millions of objects it plans to study.
To fully understand the spectra that DESI will collect, scientists need to keep detailed information about the instrument and telescope status. In addition to the DESI barrel, Fermilab is creating an electronic logbook and a database to store the instrument control systems operational data. These will be used to keep track of the information on the systems required to operate DESI, such as how to read the CCDs, direct the telescope and ensure the apparatus for recording the spectra is working properly.
Fermilab is developing the software that tells DESI where in the sky to point its 5,000 fiber-optic cables, a fraction of which are shown here. Photo: Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
DESI’s predecessor, called the Dark Energy Camera (DECam), is currently mounted on Chile’s Victor Blanco telescope, the sister telescope of the Mayall.
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Dark Energy Camera [DECam], built at FNAL
In 2012, researchers and technicians completed DECam’s construction for use in the five-year Dark Energy Survey, hosted by Fermilab. The same scientists who designed DECam are bringing their expertise and knowledge to DESI.
The Dark Energy Survey and DECam serve as stepping stones to DESI. The DESI project will improve our understanding of the nature of dark energy by using the Dark Energy Survey’s results as a baseline. DECam’s data will also help DESI find the galaxies so the latter can take more precise spectra measurements to determine the galaxy’s redshift: The farther away a galaxy is from us, the more its light is stretched and shifted in the direction of redder (longer) wavelengths, by the expansion of the universe.
“For the Dark Energy Survey, we are just taking images, but for DESI we are pointing fibers at galaxies and measuring spectra,” said Fermilab’s Brenna Flaugher, project manager of DES and one of the leading scientists for DESI. “So, it is sort of the next level of resolution in redshift.”
DESI’s final pieces are planned to be installed by April 2019, with first light planned for May of that year.
“DESI will help us understand the nature of dark energy,” Flaugher said. “And that will lead to a better understanding of the evolution of our universe.”
Work on DESI is supported by DOE’s Office of Science along with several international partners.
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From AAS NOVA: “Dark Energy Survey Reveals Stellar Streams”
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[CLS]The vulnerable world hypothesis
The Vulnerable World Hypothesis
Nick Bostrom
Future of Humanity Institute, University of Oxford
Abstract
Scienti fic and technological progress might change people ’s capabilities or incentives in ways that would destabilize civiliza-
tion. For example, advances in DIY biohacking tools might make it easy for anybody with basic training in biology to kill mil-lions; novel military technologies could trigger arms races in which whoever strikes first has a decisive advantage; or some
economically advantageous process may be invented that produces disastrous negative global externalities that are hard to
regulate. This paper introduces the concept of a vulnerable world : roughly, one in which there is some level of technological
development at which civilization almost certainly gets devastated by default, i.e. unless it has exited the ‘semi-anarchic
default condition ’. Several counterfactual historical and speculative future vulnerabilities are analyzed and arranged into a
typology. A general ability to stabilize a vulnerable world would require greatly ampli fied capacities for preventive policing
and global governance. The vulnerable world hypothesis thus offers a new perspective from which to evaluate the risk-bene fit
balance of developments towards ubiquitous surveillance or a unipolar world order.
Policy Implications
Technology policy should not unquestioningly assume that all technological progress is bene ficial, or that complete scien-
tific openness is always best, or that the world has the capacity to manage any potential downside of a technology after
it is invented.Some areas, such as synthetic biology, could produce a discovery that suddenly democratizes mass destruction, e.g. by
empowering individuals to kill hundreds of millions of people using readily available materials. In order for civilization tohave a general capacity to deal with “black ball ”inventions of this type, it would need a system of ubiquitous real-time
worldwide surveillance. In some scenarios, such a system would need to be in place before the technology is invented.
Partial protection against a limited set of possible black balls is obtainable through more targeted interventions. For exam-
ple, biorisk might be mitigated by means of background checks and monitoring of personnel in some types of biolab, bydiscouraging DIY biohacking (e.g. through licencing requirements), and by restructuring the biotech sector to limit access
to some cutting-edge instrumentation and information. Rather than allow anybody to buy their own DNA synthesis
machine, DNA synthesis could be provided as a service by a small number of closely monitored providers.
Another, subtler, type of black ball would be one that strengthens incentives for harmful use —e.g. a military technology
that makes wars more destructive while giving a greater advantage to the side that strikes first. Like a squirrel who uses
the times of plenty to store up nuts for the winter, we should use times of relative peace to build stronger mechanismsfor resolving international disputes.
Is there a black ball in the urn of possible
inventions?
One way of looking at human creativity is as a process of
pulling balls out of a giant urn.1The balls represent possible
ideas, discoveries, technological inventions. Over the courseof history, we have extracted a great many balls –mostly
white (bene ficial) but also various shades of gray (moder-
ately harmful ones and mixed blessings). The cumulativeeffect on the human condition has so far been overwhelm-ingly positive, and may be much better still in the future(Bostrom, 2008). The global population has grown aboutthree orders of magnitude over the last ten thousand years,and in the last two centuries per capita income, standardsof living, and life expectancy have also risen.
2
What we haven ’t extracted, so far, is a black ball: a tech-
nology that invariably or by default destroys the civilizationthat invents it. The reason is not that we have beenparticularly careful or wise in our technology policy. We
have just been lucky.
It does not appear that any human civilization has been
destroyed –as opposed to transformed –by its own inven-
tions.
3We do have examples of civilizations being destroyed
by inventions made elsewhere. For example, the European
inventions that enabled transoceanic travel and force projec-tion could be regarded as a black-ball event for the indige-nous populations of the Americas, Australia, Tasmania, andsome other places. The extinction of archaic hominid popu-lations, such as the Neanderthals and the Denisovans, wasprobably facilitated by the technological superiority ofHomo sapiens. But thus far, it seems, we have seen no suf fi-
ciently auto-destructive invention to count as a black ballfor humanity.
4
What if there is a black ball in the urn? If scienti fic and
technological research continues, we will eventually reach it
and pull it out. Our civilization has a considerable ability to
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pick up balls, but no ability to put them back into the urn.
We can invent but we cannot un-invent. Our strategy is tohope that there is no black ball.
This paper develops some concepts that can help us
think about the possibility of a technological black ball,and the different forms that such a phenomenon could
take. We also discuss some implications for policy from a
global perspective, particularly with respect to how oneshould view developments in mass surveillance and movestowards more effectual global governance or a moreunipolar world order. These implications by no means set-tle questions about the desirability of changes in thosemacrostrategic variables –for there indeed are other
strongly relevant factors, not covered here, which wouldneed to be added to the balance. Yet they form an impor-tant and under-appreciated set of considerations thatshould be taken into account in future debates on these
issues.
Before getting to the more conceptual parts of the paper,
it will be useful to paint a more concrete picture of what atechnological black ball could be like. The most obviouskind is a technology that would make it very easy tounleash an enormously powerful destructive force. Nuclearexplosions are the most obviously destructive force we havemastered. So let us consider what would have happened ifit had been very easy to unleash this force.
A thought experiment: easy nukes
On the morning of 12 September 1933, Leo Szilard was
reading the newspaper when he came upon a report of an
address recently delivered by the distinguished Lord Ruther-ford, now often considered the father of nuclear physics(Rhodes, 1986). In his speech, Rutherford had dismissed theidea of extracting useful energy from nuclear reactions as‘moonshine ’. This claim so annoyed Szilard that he went out
for a walk. During the walk, he got the idea of a nuclearchain reaction –the basis for both nuclear reactors and
nuclear bombs. Later investigations showed that making anatomic weapon requires several kilograms of plutonium orhighly enriched uranium, both of which are very dif ficult
and expensive to produce. However, suppose it had turned
out otherwise: that there had been some really easy way tounleash the energy of the atom –say, by sending an electric
current through a metal object placed between two sheetsof glass.
So let us consider a counterfactual history in which Szilard
invents nuclear fission and realizes that a nuclear bomb
could be made with a piece of glass, a metal object, and abattery arranged in a particular con figuration. What happens
next? Szilard becomes gravely concerned. He sees that hisdiscovery must be kept secret at all costs. But how? His
insight is bound to occur to others. He could talk to a few
of his physicist friends, the ones most likely to stumbleupon the idea, and try to persuade them not to publish any-thing on nuclear chain reactions or on any of the reasoningsteps leading up to the dangerous discovery. (That is whatSzilard did in actual history.)Here Szilard faces a dilemma: either he doesn ’t explain
the dangerous discovery, but then he will not be effectivein persuading many of his colleagues to stop publishing; orhe tells them the reason for his concern, but then hespreads the dangerous knowledge further. Either way he isfighting a losing battle. The general advance of scienti fic
knowledge will eventually make the dangerous insight more
accessible. Soon, figuring out how to initiate a nuclear chain
reaction with pieces of metal, glass, and electricity will nolonger take genius but will be within reach of any STEM stu-dent with an inventive mindset.
Let us roll the tape a little further. The situation looks
hopeless, but Szilard does not give up. He decides to take afriend into his con fidence, a friend who is also the world ’s
most famous scientist –Albert Einstein. He successfully per-
suades Einstein of the danger (again following actual his-tory). Now, Szilard has the support of a man who can get
him a hearing with any government. The two write a letter
to President Franklin D. Roosevelt. After some committeewranglings and report-writing, the top levels of the US gov-ernment are eventually suf ficiently convinced to be ready to
take serious action.
What action can the United States take? Let us first con-
sider what actually happened (Rhodes, 1986). What the USgovernment did, after having digested the information pro-vided by Einstein and Szilard, and after having receivedsome further nudging from the British who were also look-ing into the matter, was to launch the Manhattan Project in
order to weaponize nuclear fission as quickly as possible. As
soon as the bomb was ready, the US Air Force used it todestroy Japanese population centers. Many of the Manhat-tan scientists had justi fied their participation by pointing to
the mortal danger that would arise if Nazi Germany got thebomb first; but they continued working on the project after
Germany was defeated.
5Szilard advocated unsuccessfully
for demonstrating ‘the gadget ’over an unpopulated area
rather than in a city (Franck et al., 1945). After the warended, many of the scientists favored the international con-trol of atomic energy and became active in the nuclear dis-
armament movement; but their views carried little weight,
as nuclear policy had been taken out of their hands. Fouryears later, the Soviet Union detonated its own atomicbomb. The Soviet effort was aided by spies in the Manhat-tan Project, yet even without espionage it would have suc-ceeded within another year or two (Holloway, 1994). TheCold War followed, which at its peak saw 70,000 nuclearwarheads ready to unleash global destruction at a moment ’s
notice, with a trembling finger hovering over the ‘red but-
ton ’on either side (Norris and Kristensen, 2010).
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Fortunately for human civilization, after the destruction of
Hiroshima and Nagasaki, no other atomic bomb has been
detonated in anger. Seventy-three years later, partly thanksto international treaties and anti-proliferation efforts, onlynine states possess nuclear weapons. No non-state actor isbelieved ever to have possessed nuclear weapons.
7
But how would things have played out if there had been
aneasy way to make nukes? Maybe Szilard and Einstein
could persuade the US government to ban all research in
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nuclear physics (outside high-security government facilities)?
Such a ban on basic science would be subjected to enor-mous legal and political challenges –the more so as the
reason for the ban could not be publicly disclosed in anydetail without creating an unacceptable information haz-ard.
8
Let us suppose, however, that President Roosevelt could
somehow mobilize enough political support to drivethrough a ban, and that the US Supreme Court could some-how find a way of regarding it as constitutionally valid. We
then confront an array of formidable practical dif ficulties. All
university physics departments would have to be closed,and security checks initiated. A large number of faculty andstudents would be forced out. Intense speculations wouldswirl around the reason for all these heavy-handed mea-sures. Groups of physics PhD students and faculty bannedfrom their research field would sit around and speculate
about what the secret danger might be. Some of them
would figure it out. And among those who figured it out,
some would feel compelled to use the knowledge toimpress their colleagues; and those colleagues would wantto tell yet others, to show they were in the know. Alterna-tively, somebody who opposed the ban would unilaterallydecide to publish the secret, maybe in order to supporttheir view that the ban is ineffective or that the bene fits of
publication outweigh the risks.
91 0Careless or disgruntled
employees at the government labs would eventually also letslip information, and spies would carry the secret to foreign
capitals. Even if, by some miracle, the secret never leaked in
the United States, scientists in other countries would inde-pendently discover it, thereby multiplying the sources fromwhich it could spread. Sooner or later –probably sooner –
the secret would be a secret no more.
In the present age, when one can publish instantaneously
and anonymously on the Internet, it would be even moredifficult to limit the spread of scienti fic secrets (Cf. Green-
berg, 2012; Swire, 2015).
An alternative approach would be to eliminate all glass,
metal, or sources of electrical current (save perhaps in a few
highly guarded military depots). Given the ubiquity of these
materials, such an undertaking would be extremely daunt-ing. Securing political support for such measures would beno easier than shutting down physics education. However,after mushroom clouds had risen over a few cities, the polit-ical will to make the attempt could probably be mustered.Metal use is almost synonymous with civilization, and wouldnot be a realistic target for elimination. Glass productioncould be banned, and existing glass panes con fiscated; but
pieces of glass would remain scattered across the landscapefor a long time. Batteries and magnets could be seized,
though some people would have stashed away these mate-
rials before they could be collected by the authorities. Manycities would be destroyed by nihilists, extortionists, revan-chists, or even folk who just want to ‘see what would hap-
pen ’.
11People would flee urban areas. In the end, many
places would be destroyed by nuclear fallout, cities wouldbe abandoned, there would be no use of electricity or glass.Possession of proscribed materials, or equipment that couldbe used to make them, would be harshly punished, such as
by on-the-spot execution. To enforce these provisions, com-munities would be subjected to strict surveillance –infor-
mant networks incentivized by big rewards, frequent policeraids into private quarters, continuous digital monitoring,and so forth.
That is the optimistic scenario. In a more pessimistic sce-
nario, law and order would break down entirely and soci-eties might split into factions waging civil wars with nuclearweapons, producing famine and pestilence. The disintegra-tion might end only when society has been so reduced thatnobody is able any longer to put together a bomb and adelay detonator from stored materials or the scrap of cityruins. Even then, the dangerous insight –once its impor-
tance had been so spectacularly demonstrated –would be
remembered and passed down the generations. If civiliza-tion began to rise from the ashes, the knowledge would lie
in wait, ready to pounce as soon as people learned once
again how to make sheet glass and electric current genera-tors. And even if the knowledge were forgotten, it would berediscovered once nuclear physics research was resumed.
We were lucky that making nukes turned out to be hard.
The vulnerable world hypothesis
We now know that one cannot trigger a nuclear explosionwith just a sheet of glass, some metal, and a battery. Makingan atomic bomb requires several kilograms of fissile mate-
rial, which is dif ficult to produce. We pulled out a gray ball
that time. Yet with each act of invention, we reach into the
urn anew.
Let us introduce the hypothesis that the urn of creativity
contains at least one black ball. We can refer to this as thevulnerable world hypothesis (VWH). Intuitively, the hypothesis
is that there is some level of technology at which civilizationalmost certainly gets destroyed unless quite extraordinaryand historically unprecedented degrees of preventive polic-ing and/or global governance are implemented. More pre-cisely:
VWH: If technological development continues then
a set of capabilities will at some point be attainedthat make the devastation of civilization extremelylikely, unless civilization suf ficiently exits the semi-
anarchic default condition.
By the ‘semi-anarchic default condition ’I mean a world
order characterized by three features
12:
1.Limited capacity for preventive policing. States do not have
sufficiently reliable means of real-time surveillance and
interception to make it virtually impossible for any indi-vidual or small group within their territory to carry outillegal actions –particularly actions that are very strongly
disfavored by >99 per cent of the population.
2.Limited capacity for global governance. There is no reliable
mechanism for solving global coordination problems andprotecting global commons –particularly in high-stakes
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situations where vital national security interests are
involved.
3.Diverse motivations. There is a wide and recognizably
human distribution of motives represented by a largepopulation of actors (at both the individual and statelevel) –in particular, there are many actors motivated, to
a substantial degree, by perceived self-interest (e.g.
money, power, status, comfort and convenience) andthere are some actors ( ‘the apocalyptic residual ’) who
would act in ways that destroy civilization even at highcost to themselves.
3
The term ‘devastation of civilization ’in the above de fini-
tion could be interpreted in various ways, yielding differ-ent versions of VWH. For example, one could de fine an
existential-risk vulnerable world hypothesis (x-VWH), whichwould state that at some level of technology, by default,an existential catastrophe occurs, involving the extinctionof Earth-originating intelligent life or the permanentblighting of our future potential for realizing value. How-ever, here we will set the bar lower. A key concern in thepresent context is whether the consequences of civiliza-tion continuing in the current semi-anarchic default condi-
tion are catastrophic enough to outweigh reasonable
objections to the drastic developments that would berequired to exit this condition. If this is the criterion, thena threshold short of human extinction or existential catas-trophe would appear suf ficient. For instance, even those
who are highly suspicious of government surveillancewould presumably favour a large increase in such surveil-lance ifit were truly necessary to prevent occasional
region-wide destruction. Similarly, individuals who valueliving in a sovereign state may reasonably prefer to liveunder a world government given the assumption that the
alternative would entail something as terrible as a nuclear
holocaust. Therefore, we stipulate that the term ‘civiliza-
tional devastation ’in VWH refers (except where otherwise
speci fied) to any destructive event that is at least as bad
as the death of 15 per cent of the world population or areduction of global GDP by >50 per cent per cent lasting
for more than a decade.
13
It is not a primary purpose of this paper to argue that
VWH is true. (I regard that as an open question, though itwould seem to me unreasonable, given the available evi-dence, to be at all con fident that VWH is false.) Instead, the
chief contribution claimed here is that VWH, along with
related concepts and explanations, is useful in helping us
surface important considerations and possibilities regardinghumanity ’s macrostrategic situation. But those considera-
tions and possibilities need to be further analyzed, and com-bined with other considerations that lie outside the scopeof this paper, before they could deliver any de finitive policy
implications.
A few more clari fications before we move on. This paper
uses the word ‘technology ’in its broadest sense. Thus, in
principle, we count not only machines and physical devicesbut also other kinds of instrumentally ef ficacious templates
and procedures –including scienti fic ideas, institutionaldesigns, organizational techniques, ideologies, concepts, and
memes –as constituting potential technological black
balls.
14
We can speak of vulnerabilities opening and closing. In
the ‘easy nukes ’scenario, the period of vulnerability begins
when the easy way of producing nuclear explosions is dis-
covered. It ends when some level of technology is attained
that makes it reasonably affordable to stop nuclear explo-sions from causing unacceptable damage –or that again
makes it infeasible to produce nuclear explosions (becauseof technological regress).
15If no protective technology is
possible (as in, e.g., the case of nuclear weapons it may notbe) and technological regress does not occur, then theworld becomes permanently vulnerable.
We can also speak of the world being stabilized (with
respect to some vulnerability) if the semi-anarchic defaultcondition is exited in such a way as to prevent the vulnera-
bility from leading to an actual catastrophe. The ways in
which the semi-anarchic default condition would have to bealtered in order to achieve stabilization depend on the spe-cifics of the vulnerability in question. In a later section, we
will discuss possible means by which the world could bestabilized. For now, we simply note that VWH does notimply that civilization is doomed.
T ypology of vulnerabilities
We can identify four types of civilizational vulnerability.
T ype-1 ( ‘easy nukes ’)
The first type is one where, as in the ‘easy nukes ’scenario,
it becomes too easy for individuals or small groups to cause
mass destruction:
Type-1 vulnerability : There is some technology
which is so destructive and so easy to use that,given the semi-anarchic default condition, theactions of actors in the apocalyptic residual make
civilizational devastation extremely likely.
Note that in determining whether a scenario presents a
Type-1 vulnerability, there is an inverse relationship betweenthe ease with which it becomes possible to cause an inci-
dent and the destructiveness of incident. The greater the
destructiveness of a single incident, the less easy it needs to
be to cause such an incident in order for us to diagnose thepresence of a Type-1 vulnerability.
Thus, consider a ‘very easy nukes ’scenario, in which any
halfwit can create an easily portable thermonuclear weaponat the kitchen sink over the course of an afternoon: thiswould de finitely qualify as a civilizational vulnerability. Con-
trast this with a ‘moderately easy nukes ’scenario, in which it
takes a five-person team of semi-skilled individuals toiling
for an entire year to produce a single bulky few-kilotondevice: that might not quite rise to the level of a civiliza-
tional vulnerability. It seems possible, in the ‘moderately
easy nukes ’scenario, that the great majority of cities would
escape destruction, although the threat posed by a well-
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resourced terrorist organization, such as Aum Shinrikyo anno
1995 or Al-Qaeda anno 2001, would increase substantially.However, consider yet another scenario, ‘moderately easy
bio-doom ’, in which again it requires a semi-skilled five-per-
son team working for a year to put the black-ball technol-ogy into effect, except that this time it is a biological agent,
a single point release of which is suf ficient to kill billions. In
‘moderately easy bio-doom ’, the threshold for a Type-1 vul-
nerability would be reached. If destroying civilisation
required only that a single group succeed with a task at themoderately-easy level, civilization would probably bedestroyed within a few years in the semi-anarchic defaultcondition. Indeed, both Aum Shinrikyo and Al-Qaeda soughtto obtain nuclear and biological weapons, and would likelyhave chosen to use them (see e.g. Danzig et al., 2011; Olson,1999; Mowatt-Larssen and Allison, 2010).
So a Type-1 vulnerability exists if it is either extremely easy
to cause a moderate amount of harm or moderately easy to
cause an extreme amount of harm.
16The reason why a
black-ball technology that enables only moderate amounts ofharm per incident could count as a Type-1 vulnerability isthat –if the technology is suf ficiently easy to use –al a r g e
number of such incidents would be almost certain to occur.Take the scenario where it is easy for an average individualto make a metropolis-busting H-bomb. This is not necessarilya scenario in which a single individual could devastate civi-lization. Building hundreds of bombs and transporting themto hundreds of cities without getting caught would still be a
formidable endeavor even if making a single bomb were
fairly easy. The ‘easy nukes ’scenario nevertheless presents a
civilizational vulnerability because it is plausible that therewould in fact be hundreds of individuals who would eachdestroy at least one city under those circumstances.
That this is so almost follows from the law of large num-
bers combined with the plausible assumption that for anyrandomly selected person there is some small but apprecia-ble chance that they would be motivated to trigger thiskind of destruction –whether out of ideological hatred,
nihilistic destructiveness, revenge for perceived injustices, as
part of some extortion plot, or because of delusions or men-
tal illness, or perhaps even just to see what would happen.Given the diversity of human character and circumstance,for any ever so imprudent, immoral, or self-defeating action,there is some residual fraction of humans who wouldchoose to take that action. This is especially plausible if theaction in question represents a culturally salient affordance–as it everywhere would after one such nuke attack had
taken place. In other words, ‘easy nukes ’is an illustration of
a vulnerable world because it looks like the apocalypticresidual has a large enough intersection with the set of
empowered actors that one would expect a civilization-dev-
astating amount of destruction to result.
T ype-2a ( ‘safe first strike ’)
A technology that ‘democratizes ’mass destruction is not the
only kind of black ball that could be hoisted out of the urn.Another kind would be a technology that strongly incen-
tivizes powerful actors to use their powers to cause massdestruction. Again we can turn to nuclear history for illustra-tion.
After the invention of the atomic bomb and a short-lived
American nuclear monopoly, an arms race ensued between
the US and the USSR. The rival superpowers amassed stag-
gering arsenals, topping out at 70,000 nuclear warheads in1986, more than enough to devastate civilization (Norris andKristensen, 2010). While public awareness of the perils ofthe Cold War seems to have faded since its peaceful conclu-sion in 1991, the academic community –bene fiting from
the opening of formerly classi fied archives and the testi-
mony of retired policy makers, of ficers, and analysts –has
uncovered a disconcerting array of practices and incidentswhich seem to have repeatedly brought the world to thebrink.
17Just how close we came remains a topic of dispute.
Some scholars have argued that it was only thanks to a
good deal of luck that nuclear holocaust was avoided.18
Whether surviving the Cold War required much luck or
just a little, we can easily imagine a counterfactual in whichthe odds of avoiding a nuclear con flagration would be sub-
stantially worse. This holds even if we assume that nuclearweapons can be produced only by large technologicallyadvanced states (thus distinguishing the case from the type-1 vulnerability of ‘easy nukes ’). The counterfactual could
involve changes in the technological possibility frontier thatwould have made the arms race less stable.
For example, it is widely believed among nuclear strate-
gists that the development of a reasonably secure second-strike capability by both superpowers by the mid-1960s cre-ated the conditions for ‘strategic stability ’(Colby and Ger-
son, 2013). Prior to this period, American war plans re flected
a much greater inclination, in any crisis situation, to launcha preemptive nuclear strike against the Soviet Union ’s
nuclear arsenal. The introduction of nuclear submarine-based ICBMs was thought to be particularly helpful forensuring second-strike capabilities (and thus ‘mutually
assured destruction ’) since it was widely believed to be
practically impossible for an aggressor to eliminate the
adversary ’s boomer fleet in the initial attack.
19Other strate-
gies for ensuring a second-strike capability could also beemployed, but they had drawbacks. For example, oneoption, brie fly used by the United States, was to have a con-
tingent of long-range nuclear bombers on continuous air-borne alert (Sagan, 1995). This program was very costly andincreased the risk of accidental or unauthorized attacks.Another option was to build hardened land-based missilesilos: in suf ficient numbers, these could in principle provide
the assurance of a second-strike capability to one side; how-
ever, such a large arsenal would then threaten to provide
the capacity of a safe first strike against the other side, thus
again destabilizing any crisis. Road-mobile ICBM launchers,which are harder to attack than silo-based missiles, eventu-ally provided some stabilization when they were deployedby the Soviet Union in 1985, a few years before the end ofCold War (Brower, 1989).
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So consider a counterfactual in which a preemptive coun-
terforce strike is more feasible. Imagine some technologythat makes it easy to track ballistic missile submarines. Wecan also imagine that nuclear weapons were a bit morefragile, so that the radius within which a nuclear weaponwould be destroyed by the detonation of another nuclear
weapon was substantially larger than it actually is.
20Under
those circumstances, it might have been impossible toensure a second-strike capability. Suppose, further, thattechnology had been such as to make it very hard to detectmissile launches, rendering a launch-on-warning strategycompletely unworkable. The crisis instability of the Cold Warwould then have been greatly ampli fied. Whichever side
struck first would survive relatively unscathed (or might at
least have believed that it would, since the possibility of a
nuclear winter was largely ignored by war planners at thetime; Badash, 2001; Ellsberg, 2017).
21The less aggressive
side would be utterly destroyed. In such a situation, mutual
fear could easily trigger a dash to all-out war (Schelling,1960).
Other technological parameter changes could similarly
increase the probability of attacks. In the real world, themain ‘attraction ’of a nuclear first strike is that it would alle-
viate the fear that one might otherwise oneself become thevictim of such a strike; but we can imagine a counterfactualin which there are also bene fitsto nuclear aggression,
beyond the removal of a negative. Suppose it were some-how possible to derive great economic gains from initiating
a large-scale nuclear assault.
22It might be hard to see how
this could be the case, yet one can imagine some auto-mated manufacturing technology or energy technologymaking physical resources more valuable; or technology-en-abled population growth could again make agricultural landa more vital resource (Drexler, 1986)). Some internationalrelations scholars believe that the net economic bene fits of
conquest have declined substantially in the post-industrialera and that this decline has been a major contributor topeace.
23If powerful national economic motives were again
added to other causes for war (such as concern for one ’s
own security, disputes over non-economic values, mainte-
nance of national reputation, in fluence of particularly belli-
cose special interest groups, inter alia) then armed con flicts
might become more common and large-scale nuclear warmore likely.
In these examples, the vulnerability arises not from
destruction getting easier, but from the actions leading todestruction coming to be supported by stronger incentives.We shall call these Type-2 vulnerabilities. Speci fically, a sce-
nario like ‘safe first strike ’, in which some enormously
destructive action becomes incentivized, we shall refer to as
Type-2a:
Type-2a vulnerability : There is some level of technol-
ogy at which powerful actors have the ability toproduce civilization-devastating harms and, in thesemi-anarchic default condition, face incentives touse that ability.We will see some more examples of Type-2a vulnerabili-
ties below, where the ‘civilization-devastating harms ’take
the form of risk externalities.
T ype-2b ( ‘worse global warming ’)
There is yet another way in which the world could be vul-
nerable; one that we can illustrate with a counterfactual
related to climate change.
In the real world, we observe a secular rise in global
mean temperature, widely believed to be driven primarilyby human-caused emissions of greenhouse gases such ascarbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide (Stocker et al.,2014).Projections vary, depending on the emissions scenarioand modelling assumptions, but forecasts that imply anaverage temperature rise of between 3
oC and 4.5oCi n
2100 (compared to 2000), in the absence of any signi ficant
action to reduce emissions, are quite typical (See Stockeret al. (2014, table 12.2)). The effects of such warming –on
sea levels, weather patterns, ecosystems, and agriculture –
are usually expected to be net negative for human welfare(See Field et al. (2014, figure 10-1)). Greenhouse gases are
emitted by wide range of activities, including in industry,transport, agriculture, and electricity production, and fromall
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Learning to build conviction
People sometimes tell me that they want to join a startup, so that they can learn how it works, and eventually start one themselves. I usually end up suggesting that they skip straight to step 2 and start one themselves.
Why is that? Isn’t it better to learn from someone else’s mistakes than to have to make all of them yourself? At least for me, the answer’s been sometimes yes, but sometimes no.
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For my first few years as an engineer, I was lucky to work with some mentors who taught me a ton about engineering. Things like:
* How to name things well, and why that’s so important.
* How to organize code so that it’s easy for future readers to navigate.
* How to factor code into cohesive, decoupled modules.
* How to keep my software designs simple and understandable.
* How to write documentation that other people can understand.
By giving me fast, frequent feedback on these things, they taught me much more quickly than I could learn on my own. Eventually I’d end up building models of particular people in my head—I could ask myself “what would Ping think of this name?” or “how would Abeer factor this code?”
Of course, my predictions wouldn’t be perfect, because I only partially understood the mental models that my mentors were applying when they gave me feedback. But I’d predict correctly, say, 95% of the time, which was enough to help me become a much better engineer.
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After a few years, though, I ended up in a situation where I didn’t have access to those mentors. We’d split Wave into two divisions, and I ended up in the smaller division (“mobile money”) where I was usually the most technically opinionated engineer.
I spent a long time building the mobile money team and codebase without much feedback from more-experienced engineers. That required me to make a bunch of higher-stakes, longer-term decisions on my own:
* How to prioritize between different potential large-sc
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How much do we know about creativity?
A lot of Less Wrong frames becoming more rational in terms of correcting biases. When Scott Alexander is asked how he does it, he doesn't seem to actually have an answer-- if I recall correctly, he's just said that all he's got in his life is his job, his girlfriend, and his blog, which doesn't begin to explain his remarkable flow of interesting posts.
It's a good thing to have fewer and weaker biases, but it's better if de-biasing can be applied to new ideas which have a good chance of paying off.
Is there LW material about creativity that I'm not remembering? Any recommendations for information about creativity elsewhere? I'm especially interested in material which you've seen help you or other people become more creative, as distinct from material which has been plausible and/or fun to read.
Edited to add: While I think this is a generally applicable topic, I also have a local interest. I'm fond of LW, but it seems to be in a doldrums, and at least part of the cause is a lack of interesting new material.
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Meetup : Israel Less Wrong Meetup - Productivity Hacks
Discussion article for the meetup : Israel Less Wrong Meetup - Productivity Hacks
WHEN: 20 March 2014 07:00:00PM (+0200)
WHERE: Google Tel Aviv
We're going to have a meetup on Thursday, March 20th at Google Israel's offices, Electra Tower, 98 Yigal Alon st., Tel Aviv.
This time we will be discussion productivity systems and hacks. We will have multiple speakers telling us how they became and stay production and the tricks they used. Anyone is welcome to bring their own systems and tricks - because the more we learn from each other, the better we'll be (and the more winning we'll do!).
Examples of subjects we will be talking about: Getting Things Done, Anki and spaced repetition, contingency planning, polyphasic sleep, commitment contracts and many more... We will also be talking to each other about what works for each of us, and learn about how to actually implement these things in our lives.
This meetup will not require any previous knowledge of LW or rationality, and so is a great opportunity to bring along interested friends!
We'll start the meetup at 19:00, and we'll go on as much as we like to. (We've had great success with the earlier hour last meetup and so we're continuing on the trend)
Please come on time, as we will begin the discussions and talks close to when we start. But, if you can only come later, thats totally ok!
We'll meet at the 29th floor of the building (Note: Not the 26th where Google Campus is). If you arrive and cant find your way around, call Anatoly who is graciously hosting us at 054-245-1060.
Note that we are trying a transition to a meet once every two weeks. This is to allow people who cant make it to a meetup to not have to wait a whole month to meet again, and because we'd like to have both subject based and social meetups and doing one meetup a month would make that hard.
If you have any question feel free to email me at [email protected] or call me at 054-533-0678.
See you there!
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One Night in Delphi
A rationality exercise.
Mikhail is a mathematician working on a particular conjecture. His goal is to prove it if true or find a counterexample if false. After thoroughly reviewing the evidence, he estimates — fairly and with well-calibrated confidence — that there's a 75% chance the conjecture holds.
One night, he dreams of the Oracle at Delphi.
After making proper obeisance Mikhail takes advantage of the opportunity and asks if the conjecture he is working on holds true. the Oracle delivers a surprisingly clear and specific prophecy: the conjecture is unequivocally true, and if Mikhail dedicates himself exclusively to proving it, he’ll succeed within three months. Upon realizing that he doesn't actually speak Greek, Mikhail wakes up.
Mikhail has had Oracle dreams before. But this one lingers. He spends the next day carefully re-evaluating the evidence. Did he subconsciously realize something his waking mind missed? Is there any new angle, any previously overlooked implication? Were the spirits of dead mathematicians trying to communicate with him? After a detailed review, he finds nothing new — and reaffirms his original estimate: 75% chance the conjecture is true.
So now he faces a different kind of question.
Is there value in determining if the Oracle was right?
Let's make some simplifying assumptions.
* Each day, Mikhail can split his time between trying to prove or disprove the conjecture.
* If the conjecture is true, every day spent trying to prove it has a 1% chance of success and every day spent trying to disprove it has a 0.1% chance (perhaps through discovering a related lemma).
* If the conjecture is false, the situation reverses: 1% success per day when searching for counterexamples, 0.1% when trying to prove it (and stumbling on contradictions).
* Mikhail values proof or disproof equally.
* The problem is mathematically decidable, but he might never succeed in either approach if he is unlucky.
With this information we can calculate
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[CLS]Value of Global Catastrophic Risk (GCR) Information: Cost-Effectiveness-Based Approach for GCR Reduction
Introduction Global catastrophic risks (GCRs) are risks of events that could significantly harm or even destroy human civilization at the global scale (Hempsell 2004, Baum 2010. GCRs presently posing hazards to humanity include nuclear war (Sagan 1983, Turco et al. 1983, Robock et al. 2007, Cirincione 2008, Hellman 2008, Barrett et al. 2013 ) and pandemic diseases (Nouri and Chyba 2008). In the near to longer-term future, GCRs could include climate change (Weitzman 2009, Travis 2010 ) and misuse or accidents involving technological developments in areas such as artificial intelligence (Yudkowsky 2008, Chalmers 2010, Sotala 2010 ) and nanotechnology (Phoenix and Treder 2008). Proposed interventions to reduce GCR include nuclear disarmament (Robock et al. 2007 ), development and distribution of vaccines and antiviral medications (Osterholm 2005), reducing greenhouse gas emissions through public policies (Aldy et al. 2003) and various individual behaviors (Dietz et al. 2009), and abstaining from developing certain technologies (Joy 2000). A growing body of work makes the case that reducing GCR, or certain types of GCR, is of very high value and thus should be one of the highest objectives for society (Ng 1991, Bostrom 2002, Posner 2004, Matheny 2007, Tonn 2009, Ćirković et al. 2010, Beckstead 2013. Published estimates of the value of preventing global catastrophe range vary wildly, from $10 billion (Bostrom and Cirkovic 2008) to infinity (Weitzman 2009, Baum 2010, depending partly on the definition used for "global catastrophe." Even the low end of this suggests a large allocation of resources toward GCR reduction. However, setting GCR reduction as a high priority is not a sufficient guide for action: there are many open questions regarding how best to allocate resources for GCR reduction. One basic question is how much to allocate toward direct risk-reducing interventions and how much to allocate to research to inform these interventions. The decision analysis concept of expected value of information (Clemen and Reilly 2001, Keisler 2004, Bhattacharjya et al. 2013 can inform decisions about how much to spend on information (i.e., reduce Decision Analysis, 2017, vol. 14, no. 3, pp. 187-203, © 2017 uncertainties) prior to making other resource allocation decisions. Usually in value-of-information calculations, decision options are evaluated using utility functions, money, or functionally similar metrics that have implicit commensurability between option trade-offs, e.g., lives saved versus dollars spent. However, equating lives and dollars, e.g., using a typical value of statistical life (VSL) saved, may be inappropriate given the potentially vast scale of GCRs. (Moreover, quantifying total event consequences of global catastrophe in conventional benefit-cost terms would be complicated by uncertainties about direct event impacts, indirect impact factors such as public behavioral responses, and the levels of such impacts that could be borne before reaching civilizational-collapse tipping points.) We take a different, cost-effectiveness-based approach in this paper instead. A cost-effectiveness-based equation for value of information also may be useful in other domains where typical VSLs would not be appropriate. In this paper, we argue that value of information based on cost-effectiveness is a useful tool for analysis of GCR to inform risk-reduction decisions, and we show that it can be defined in a practical manner. We argue that such an approach would be most valuable if applied in a comprehensive, integrated fashion to all major types of GCR, rather than one at a time. We describe a number of challenges that would arise in such efforts, and argue that these challenges can be addressed. We also provide an illustrative, though highly idealized, example that shows how a practical value of information calculation can work. It also provides support for our argument that such calculations can have considerable value, and it provides further support for our argument that value of information can provide additional insight when more than one GCR is under consideration. In Section 2 of this paper, we give a brief overview of the basics of the approach and how to apply it to GCRs and risk-reduction interventions in a comprehensive, integrated fashion. In Section 3, we discuss key challenges in real-world implementation of this paper's framework and argue that these challenges can be addressed. In Section 4, we illustrate the basic framework using a simple notional model of GCR from two types of near-Earth objects (NEOs; i.e., asteroids and extinct comets) as well as nuclear war, and consideration of two related risk-reduction measures. The illustrative example shows that such calculations can have considerable value, especially when considering multiple GCRs. We conclude in Section 5. (In the appendix, we provide a detailed derivation of our formula for the expected value of information in terms of the costeffectiveness of GCR reduction.)
Overview of Framework for Value of GCR Information In this section, we briefly discuss ways to approach three linked sets of quantitative issues: first, representing the probabilities of multiple GCRs; second, assessing the overall cost-effectiveness of GCR-reduction measures and calculating the value of information for GCR reduction; third, contrasting perfect and imperfect information. More details of our approaches and assumptions are given in the following sections.
GCR Probabilities Figure 1 is a fault tree or logic tree illustrating that there are multiple types of global catastrophic risks, and occurrence of each is assumed to be causally independent of the others, at least at the level of detail used in the fault tree (e.g., nuclear war does not cause asteroid impact). The event "Global Catastrophe" is the top event, with round-corner nodes for a series of GCR types branching out below, all connected by an OR gate. The fault tree graphically indicates that a global catastrophe will occur if any of the following types of event occur with global catastrophe-level consequences: a large NEO impact (either an asteroid or a comet impact), large nuclear war, or a combination of smaller events (small NEO impact plus small nuclear war), etc. In addition, Figure 1 includes square-corner decision node risk management for two types of GCR-reduction options (i.e., NEO redirection, and food stockpiling) that could reduce the probabilities of global catastrophe-level outcomes. Grey arrows from the square-corner decision nodes to the roundcorner fault tree nodes indicate that the risk management decisions can influence the risks of global catastrophe-level events. Figure 1 also illustrates that some risk-reduction measures, e.g., food stockpiling, can have benefits in reducing multiple types of GCR. Although the fault tree portion of Figure 1 is quite simple, it is intended to underline the main motivation for considering GCRs as a whole, and not just individual types such as asteroids, comets, or nuclear
Food stockpiling Combination of small nuclear war and small asteroid impact GC Small nuclear war Small asteroid impact AND war: to assess and reduce the total probability of global catastrophic risk, ideally we would assess all types of GCRs and GCR-reduction measures in a comprehensive way. The framework also can account for interactions between GCR events, such as when occurrence of one type of event reduces society's resilience to or even causes another type of event (Baum et al. 2013). Such interactions between GCRs could be represented using larger, more detailed fault trees (e.g., by adding branches for scenarios in which both NEO impact and nuclear war events occur around the same time, either just by chance of timing or because an NEO impact somehow causes nuclear war), though it could be difficult to explicitly account for many GCR-interaction scenarios, and important uncertainties could remain about unmodeled GCR-interaction dynamics. Figure 2 is a generic consequence exceedance probability plot for some type of event (e.g., NEO impacts), with curves showing relationships between event consequence and the probability of events with consequence exceeding that level, for both initial and reduced event risks. The figure illustrates that reduction in probability of global catastrophe can be achieved either by reduction of probability of events or by reduction of consequences. Starting from the upper right of the figure, the point where the initial event probabilityconsequence curve intersects with the global catastrophe consequence threshold indicates the initial probability of global catastrophe. The figure also includes two reduced-risk curves, one for reduced event probability and another for reduced event consequence. The curves for reduced probability and reduced consequence have been placed where they result in the same reduction in probability of global catastrophe, partly to keep the figure simple and partly to emphasize the idea that GCR reduction can be achieved by reducing either event probability or consequence. For example, NEO impact risk-reduction measures could reduce the probabilities of global catastrophelevel outcomes either by shifting the curve downward with reduced NEO impact probabilities (e.g., via NEO redirection) or by shifting the curve leftward with reduced NEO impact consequences (e.g., increasing societal resilience to NEO impact via food stockpiling). Thus, probabilities of global catastrophe for a particular GCR event type could be calculated as a function of Decision Analysis, 2017 Analysis,, vol. 14, no. 3, pp. 187-203, © 2017 global catastrophe consequence threshold, using consequence exceedance probability models for that event type. Of course, development of appropriate consequence exceedance probability models would often require substantial research, especially when focusing on rare or unprecedented events, for which a lack of data often leads to substantial uncertainties and biases (Taylor 2008). In many cases, there would be large uncertainties for both the direct consequences of an event (e.g., in terms of atmospheric soot loading from various nuclear war or NEO impact scenarios) and what threshold level of consequences would result in global catastrophe (e.g., in terms of the effects of atmospheric soot loading on agricultural productivity and other indirect effects on human society, which could be highly nonlinear if stresses could reach civilizational resilience-exceedance tipping points). Such uncertainties could be modeled using probability distributions for the global catastrophe consequence threshold and exceedance probability function. One way to represent uncertainties is to display 5th and 95th percentile value lines in addition to the mean value lines (Garrick 2008), as shown in Figure 3. Given the previously mentioned assumption of causal independence, Equation (1) gives the total probability of a global catastrophe-level event within some time period, p total, as a function of the independent probabilities p j of catastrophe events of each GCR type, j, for a total of y GCR types. Equation (1) is mathematically consistent with the previous statement that a global catastrophe will occur if a type of global catastrophe involving a large asteroid impact, a comet impact, or nuclear war, etc., occurs: p total 1 − y j (1 − p j ). (1)
Cost-Effectiveness and Value of Information for GCR Reduction Figure 4 is a high-level decision tree, consistent with typical trees used in calculating value of information. (The tree does not include specific quantitative values for probabilities, costs, and benefits, but it does indicate the general sequence of decisions and events.) The leftmost square decision node represents a decision to be made on whether to invest in research to inform decisions on risk-reduction measures; other decision nodes represent addition to a basic decision on whether to measures to reduce risks. In Figure 4, the research decision is simple: conduct research to better understand whether risks are currently high or low, or do not conduct such research. The risk-reduction decision options are also simple: invest to reduce risks or do not invest to reduce risks. The decision on whether to conduct research is made before the decision on whether to invest in reducing risks. If the decision maker chooses not to conduct research, then they make the riskreduction decision with some amount of uncertainty about whether risks begin as high or low. (That uncertainty is represented by circular chance nodes, and the outcomes of chance nodes are represented by diamonds.) If the decision maker does choose to conduct research, then they have more information and less uncertainty about whether risks begin as high or low, and the decision maker can use that information when making their decision on whether to invest in reducing risks. A full valuation of GCR-reduction interventions, including research to gain information, requires some evaluative metric. Typically, decision options are evaluated using utility functions or functionally similar metrics. 1 Such metrics have implicit commensurability between option trade-offs, e.g., lives saved versus dollars spent. Use of such approaches allows for a relatively simple equation for expected value of options with various attributes (Clemen and Reilly 2001), including trade-offs between GCR reduction and other objectives. In this paper, we avoid full valuations and instead conduct partial valuations in terms of costeffectiveness, measured in GCR reduction per unit cost. We focus on cost-effectiveness for two reasons. First, a full valuation for GCR is complicated by the widely varying estimates for the value of preventing global catastrophe; which can range from $10 billion to infinity, as mentioned in Section 1. Second, many GCRreduction decisions involve allocating resources, such as money. However, equating lives and dollars, e.g., using a value of statistical life saved, may be inappropriate given the scale of GCRs. Therefore, our equation for calculating value of information is based on riskreduction cost-effectiveness, which incorporates estimates of the performance and costs of risk-reduction options without use of VSLs. Our cost-effectivenessbased equation for value of information may be useful in other domains where VSLs would not be appropriate. We assume that there are one or more decisions to be made about the allocation of resources to some combination of options for risk reduction and options for research, and that the decision rule is to choose whatever combination of options has best overall expected GCR-reduction cost-effectiveness among options considered in the analysis. (Such considerations could occur in a series of risk-reduction decisions, in which case the goal could be to identify the most cost-effective interventions first, and then the second most, and so on, until a risk-reduction budget or target has been reached.) Then, in such decisions, the decision maker should buy as much risk reduction (and risk research enabling better risk-reduction decisions) as they can at whatever total cost, as long as that results in the greatest cost-effectiveness. Such decisions can arise when considering public policies, as well as the actions of individuals and other nongovernmental organizations. (We assume that budgets are not an issue in the context of the risk-reduction and research options under consideration, and we do not explicitly account for potential budget constraints in the following. However, consideration of budget constraints could be addressed as an extension of the approach used in the following.) For the purposes of this analysis, we ignore actual costs of research and focus on the amount of resources the decision maker ought to be willing to pay for Decision Analysis, 2017 Analysis,, vol. 14, no. 3, pp. 187-203, © 2017 the value added by the research in the context of the decision the research could inform. In other words, we focus on finding the maximal potential benefits of research. We assume that research ought to be invested in up to the point where a funder would obtain no further benefit from investing in additional research (because up to that point, they would get a better overall cost-effectiveness by investing in additional research). At that point, the expected cost-effectiveness of the best risk-reduction option before research is equal to the expected cost-effectiveness of the best riskreduction option after research, including the cost of research. Equation (2) gives the value of research as the costeffectiveness-based expected value of perfect information, CEEVPI (see the appendix for derivation): CEEVPI E c b s (p a 0 − p a s ) p b 0 − p b s − c a s. (2) The equation assumes the following: There exists a set of n available risk-reduction options numbered 0, 1,..., i,..., n. Option number 0 is the status quo case, where no new (or non-"business-as-usual") riskreduction option is implemented. The cost of implementing risk-reduction i is c i. (It costs nothing to do nothing, so c 0 0.) The annualized total probability of global catastrophe if implementing option i is p i. (We make the simplifying assumption that p i values are static, or unchanging over the relevant time period. Consideration of dynamic, or time-varying, p i values could be addressed as an extension of the approach used in the following.) Each c i is treated as a random variable with some probability distribution reflecting uncertainty about the true cost of implementing intervention i. Each p i is also treated as a random variable, with a probability distribution reflecting plausible estimates of the annual probability of global catastrophe given intervention i. 2 Computationally, the uncertainty is represented using Monte Carlo simulation, where in Monte Carlo simulation iteration m there are sampled values c im and p im. The risk-reduction option s is the option with the "best" or highest risk-reduction cost-effectiveness in Monte Carlo iteration m. In addition to decisions on which risk-reduction option to choose, there are also decisions on whether to first spend some resources on research to reduce uncertainties (and to more accurately identify which riskreduction option would be most cost-effective) before making decisions on risk reduction options. We denote whether research is conducted to reduce uncertainty on a particular factor using superscript b for "before" research, or without information from research, and superscript a for "after" research, or with information from research. Generally, research will have the greatest expected value if it has substantial possibility of informing a decision, i.e., a choice between risk-reduction options. However, the CEEVPI formula also implies that if it is expected that the best option after research is the same as the best option before research (i.e., if s a s b ), then the research still can have positive expected value if it is inexpensive enough and also provides sufficient reduction of uncertainties in p and c factors. We provide an example, calculating CEEVPI for illustrative catastrophic NEO impact risks and riskreduction options, in Section 4. The example suggests that the value of GCR information could be quite substantial.
Perfect and Imperfect Information In the context of a decision analytic model, the value of information is based on the extent to which information reduces the uncertainty about the value of a particular parameter in the model. Perfect information eliminates that uncertainty. The expected value of perfect information (EVPI) is the difference between the expected value of a decision with perfect information (where the new information influences the decision we make) and without additional information (where we make the decision with our initial level of uncertainty; Clemen and Reilly 2001). We do not expect real-world GCR research to yield perfect information in the sense of eliminating all uncertainties. In general, EVPI calculations are used to set an upper limit to how much should be spent on reducing uncertainty. On their own, EVPI calculations cannot predict how valuable specific research will be in reducing uncertainty. However, even imperfect information can have great value in reducing decision model parameter uncertainties by some amount. Straightforward extensions of the approach to EVPI calculations used in this paper (based on costeffectiveness calculations) could provide methods to assess the expected value of imperfect information (Clemen and Reilly 2001) and expected value of including uncertainty (Morgan and Henrion 1990).
Key Challenges of Integrated Assessment of GCR In this section, we discuss important challenges for the implementation of our framework for calculating value of information, and for comprehensive, integrated assessment of GCR to inform risk-management decisions. We have already mentioned some of these challenges, which we discuss further here. We also discuss others that we have not mentioned previously. One challenge is that in the real world, there would often be complex interactions between GCRs, not all of which could be modeled. As previously mentioned, one important simplification of our approach is the assumption of independence of GCRs except where indicated in the model. In principle, many types of interactions could be accounted for by building them into fault trees or other model components, but that could require substantial efforts. As with modeling of any complex system, there would be large uncertainties about how much of the real-world dynamics would remain unmodeled. A similar set of challenges (and irreducible uncertainties) would be encountered in attempting to define global catastrophe consequence thresholds. Another challenge would be in setting appropriate thresholds for catastrophe. An important simplification of our approach is that we use a binary threshold for catastrophe (i.e., an event is only regarded as a global catastrophe if the event's consequences exceed the global catastrophe consequence threshold, however that is defined). In reality, events of a range of magnitudes could be regarded as global catastrophes, either because different stakeholders have different definitions of what constitutes a global catastrophe, or because of uncertainties about what levels of Decision Analysis, 2017, vol. 14, no. 3, pp. 187-203, © 2017 direct effects from catastrophe events would reach civilizational tipping points. (Those uncertainties would stem partly from the difficulty of predicting indirect effects of catastrophe events, which involve complex factors such as the behavioral responses of large human populations. However, the analytic challenges and uncertainties would be even greater if the aim were to quantify total event consequences in conventional benefit-cost terms, which is another reason to use a simpler cost-effectiveness approach.) Differences between global catastrophe thresholds can have important implications for decision making. 3 Decisions should favor preventing higher-magnitude global catastrophes or decreasing the severity of any given global catastrophe. Furthermore, ideally, decisions would be robust (not highly sensitive) to placement of the global catastrophe threshold. As always, sensitivity analysis can usefully examine the decision implications of varying global catastrophe thresholds, and uncertainty analysis can suggest ranges to use in sensitivity analysis. There also would be challenges in defining what decision procedures to actually use, and how to incorporate considerations such as budget constraints and timing decisions. It seems unwise to take a perfectionist approach to assessing risks and risk-reduction optimality, because the complexity and scale of all potential risks and intervention options (including all interactions and combinations) could make that approach intractable. A more practical approach could be to make a series of risk-reduction decisions, either at regular or irregular intervals, that would first implement the most cost-effective interventions (or combination of interventions), then the second most, and so on, until a risk-reduction budget or target risk level was reached (essentially a greedy algorithm solution to a knapsack problem, in operations research terms). We believe the latter approach would be roughly consistent with our basic framework, though our current framework does not attempt to explicitly account for budget constraints, nor decision sequentiality. It also should be noted that our basic approach implicitly assumes the goal is zero probability of global catastrophe, but other targets could be used; for example, Tonn (2009) suggests a 10 −20 annual probability of global catastrophe as an "acceptable risk" target. Finally, accounting for timing of events and interventions could present substantial complications. For some issues, it could be important to account for decisions of exactly when to research, when to implement measures, and in what sequence; the urgency of implementing various measures also could be important. Although time dependencies are not explicitly reflected in the level of detail given in this paper, implicitly they could be incorporated into the model parameter values for effects of the risk-reduction measures. (For example, if considering implementation of an intervention today, versus some years from now, and if the GCR minimization objective is to minimize the probability of global catastrophe over the next century, then for many GCRs types such as NEO impact, presumably analysis would show greater GCR-reduction benefits from implementing interventions sooner rather than later.) At least in principle, time dependencies could be accounted for in modules whose outputs are fed to the model structure shown in this paper. Another challenge is that in the real world, there is not a single very well-funded actor whose prime objective is to reducing GCR cost-effectively. Instead, there are many potentially important decision makers, each with limited budgets and responsibility for GCR factors, and with various objectives that compete with GCR reduction. Potentially important decisionmaking entities include government agencies, such as the U.S. National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), which have programs to address specific categories of GCR such as NEO impact risks; nongovernmental organizations such as the Open Philanthropy Project, which have programs to address either specific categories of GCR or all GCR broadly; corporations such as Walmart, whose product management decisions can have implications for societal resilience, emerging technologies, and other GCR factors; and individuals such as researchers, whose work can improve understanding of GCR factors and that have decisions to make about where to focus their own research efforts. Nevertheless, if credible integrated assessment has identified some GCR-reduction options as clearly being more cost-effective than others, that could influence decisions by various means, especially where actors already have some incentives to reduce societal risks. For government agencies, integrated assessment could inform budget reallocations, e.g., taking funding from low-value areas to fund highervalue risk-reduction programs, and incentives could be provided via government rules that encourage costeffective risk-reduction benefits to society. At the other end of the size spectrum, for individual researchers, integrated assessment could suggest which kinds of research could best lead to risk-reduction societal impacts, which are encouraged by both formal funding reviews and informal norms. Nongovernmental organizations and corporations also often combine efforts on voluntary stewardship initiatives and other programs to reduce societal risks, and thereby gain reputational rewards. Some of the most important challenges concern the scope of analysis, such as what GCRs and riskreduction measures to consider initially (given that starting-point estimates or at least bounding ranges would be needed for all associated modeling parameter values). 4 One approach that should be relatively tractable is breadth first: Begin by taking a broad but shallow approach to modeling GCRs and riskreduction options relatively comprehensively, but with little detail, and with quantitative parameter estimates aimed only at bounding ranges of uncertainties. Then, a series of subsequent, repeated model-improvement steps could iteratively add depth (i.e., to add detail and better quantitative estimates using the best available empirical data, expert judgment, etc.), and decisions on where to focus model-improvement efforts via research could be guided by value-of-information calculations.
Illustrative Example: Notional Model of NEO Impact Risk and Mitigation In this section, we illustrate our concepts using information in the literature on impact risks posed by two types of near-Earth objects as well as nuclear war. We also provide illustrative modeling of two types of impact risk-reduction measures (i.e., NEO redirection and food stockpiling) that could reduce the probabilities of global catastrophe-level outcomes. These are very simple, notional models of risks and decisions, intended only to illustrate our value-of-information concepts. The example does not attempt to reflect all the latest references, such as the information on asteroid and comet impact risks yielded by the Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer (WISE) and Near-Earth Object WISE (NEOWISE) survey programs. (Such research has often resulted in downward revisions in catastrophe probability estimates for both high-and low-albedo NEOs.) The example also does not attempt to estimate the risks or risk-reduction benefits related to GCRs besides NEOs and nuclear war, although considering those would affect overall GCR-reduction cost-effectiveness estimates. For example, food stockpiling could have benefits in reducing the effective consequences of pandemics, which is a category of GCR that is not considered in this illustrative example.
Illustrative Model GCRs, Risk-Reduction Measures, and Assumptions The first type of NEO we model is "bright" or easily visible asteroids/comets, which can be observed and tracked long before impact using current astronomical capabilities. The Spaceguard Survey is believed to have detected most such NEOs with greater than 1 km diameter (National Research Council 2010). The second type of NEO we consider is "dark," or lowreflectivity damocloids, which current identification and tracking systems may not see until the objects are already headed directly toward impact. Partly because of the difficulty of observing damocloids using optical telescopes, there are large uncertainties about the frequencies of damocloid impact (Napier 2008, National Research Council 2010. Before the Spaceguard survey, such objects were thought to be a small risk relative to other NEOs, but damocloids and long-orbit objects have more recently been viewed as potentially posing the majority of remaining impact risk (National Research Council 2010). The NEOWISE survey program has been using infrared technology to better identify damocloids. Presumably, additional investments in research using infrared, radar, or other technologies could provide better observations of damocloids. Perhaps such damocloid observation systems would be deployed as some combination of Earth-based systems, satellites, and probes. We also model two types of impact event risk-reduction measures. First are NEO orbit redirection measures that offer good and relatively inexpensive reduction of risks of asteroids that are identified and thought to impact years or decades away (Matheny 2007). The NEO redirection measures would reduce the probability of impact of a large asteroid. However, we assume Decision Analysis, 2017, vol. 14, no. 3, pp. 187-203, © 2017 that they would not reduce the probability of impact of damocloids (at least, not without additional investments to identify damocloids, which is beyond the scope of this illustrative example). The second type of risk-reduction measure is food stockpiling to provide significant food reserves for a large number of people in case of a period of reduced food production (Rampino 2008). The impact effects of large asteroids and comets could be broadly similar to nuclear winter and supervolcanism in their negative impacts on global food production. Food stockpiles may help humanity to survive either event. Rampino (2008) mentions that one potential supervolcanism survival strategy would be to stockpile enough food (e.g., grain) to last several years until agricultural productivity goes back up. Rampino (2008) notes that current inventories are only equivalent to about two months' consumption. While difficult to accomplish in many parts of the world, it still might be relatively feasible without advanced technology, should be relatively uncontroversial (especially if production is handled in a way that does not drive up global food prices very much), and could have some value across a number of GCR hazards including war, quarantine after pandemic, etc. In addition, unlike some other GCR mitigation measures, stockpiled food should retain near its purchase value in normal usage even in time periods where no GCR scenarios arise (i.e., if no emergencies arise before the stored food expires, the food can be eaten when rotated out of the stockpile and replaced with new reserves). We implement calculations for the illustrative example in a computational model using the software package Analytica by Lumina Decision Systems. The computational model incorporates all the defined equations and parameters. To estimate probability distributions of outputs, the model performs Latin hypercube sampling, with a model sample size of 10,000 iterations. The model varies continuous-valued inputs according to the previously given probability distributions, and the model produces probabilistic values of its outputs. For more on relevant distributions, e.g., uniform and triangular distributions, see Morgan and Henrion (1990) or the Analytica user guide (Chrisman et al. 2007).
Assumptions for Baseline P(Global Catastrophe). Our estimation of the probabilities of bright object and dark object impact risks is based partly on first estimating the total bright object asteroid impact risk, and then estimating how large the dark object comet impact risk is in comparison specifically to bright objects. We estimate the total probability of impacts of asteroids at least 1 km in size as corresponding to a frequency of one in 3 × 10 5 years. That is based on Figure 2.4 on p. 8 of the National Research Council (2010) or the equivalent on p. 19 of the National Research Council (2010), which indicate a 1 km object impacts approximately once every 4 × 10 5 years. We assume that only 15% of the total population of bright NEOs remain undiscovered (National Research Council 2010). For bright NEOs that have already been discovered, we also assume negligible impact risk: "none of those detected objects has a significant chance of impacting Earth in the next century" (National Research Council 2010, p. 19). The simple way we reflect that in the model is to say the impact risk from visible/ bright NEOs is 0.15 × (1/(3 × 10 5 )). We assume that the impact frequency of damocloids has a probability distribution of Uniform(0, 4) × (1/(3 × 10 5 )), based on a statement by (Napier 2008, p. 229 ) that the hazard from damocloids of 1 km diameter "is unknown; it could be negligible, or could more than double the risk assessments based on the objects we see." Some corroboration is provided by the statement by (Napier 2008, p. 226 ) that at the time of his writing, for 1 km objects, there was an "expected impact frequency of about one such body every 500,000 years." Once every 500,000 years is about the same as the once every 3 × 10 5 years we assume for over-1-km visible objects, but for better consistency and comparability with bright NEOs, we use 3 × 10 5 instead of once every 500,000. Napier (2008, p. 225 ) also observes the following: Estimates based on the mean impact cratering rate indicate that, on the long-term, a 1 km impactor might be expected every half a million years or so. Again, modeling uncertainties to do with both excavation mechanics and the erratic replenishment of the near-Earth object (NEO) population yield an overall uncertainty factor of a few. A rate of one such impact every 100,000 years cannot be excluded by the cratering evidence. All of the above numbers also have additional uncertainty factors (coefficients) of Triangular(0.5, 1, 2), which is loosely based on the statement by the (National Research Council 2010, p. 8) that the uncertainties in intervals between impacts are "on the order of With the completion of the Spaceguard Survey (that is, the detection of 90 percent of NEOs greater than 1 kilometer in diameter), long-period comets will no longer be a negligible fraction of the remaining statistical risk, and with the completion of the George E. Brown, Jr. Near-Earth Object Survey (for the detection of 90 percent of NEOs greater than 140 meters in diameter), longperiod comets may dominate the remaining unknown impact threat. Finally, for an extremely simple estimate of the annual probability of nuclear war, based loosely on estimates given in the literature (Hellman 2008, Barrett et al. 2013, Lundgren 2013, we simply use Triangular(0, 0.0001, 0.001). It seems likely that the annual probabilities of global catastrophe events are orders of magnitude higher for large-scale nuclear war than for large NEO/comet impacts. In our calculations, we use a simplifying approximation of annual probability as being equivalent to annual frequency (e.g., a frequency of one event in 500,000 years implies an annual probability of 1/500,000). Table 1 contains summaries of the assumed annual probabilities of global catastrophe-level events from each considered GCR type. The expressions reflect the substantial uncertainties.
Assumptions for Reduction in P(Global Catastrophe) if Implementing Each GCR-Reduction Mea- sure. Although the lower bound of effectiveness of NEO detection and redirection might seem to be quite low, it is based partly on the idea that NEOs that have not already been discovered might be significantly more difficult to detect than the ones that have already been detected. This was suggested by Napier (2008, p. 226) regarding the success of NEO detection efforts to date: "There is a caveat: extremely dark objects would go undiscovered and not be entered in the inventory of global hazards." For food stockpiling, the assumed probability distribution for the reduction in probability of global catastrophe-level NEO/comet impacts is Uniform(0.1, 0.9). It assumes that the stockpile would be comprised of extremely inexpensive sources of calories and nutrients (see below on cost assumptions), for which there would be large uncertainties about riskreduction performance. Table 2 contains summaries of the assumed effects and costs of GCR-reduction measures. (A status quo option, which adds no cost and does not reduce GCR, is omitted from the table but is an additional option in the model.) The effects of the measures are given in terms of their assumed reduction in probability of global catastrophe from each GCR type. The costs of the measures are given in terms of the present value of their costs in 2012 dollars.
Assumptions for Costs of GCR-Reduction Mea- sures. The cost estimate for food stockpiling assumes a world population of 7 billion, a one-year stockpile, and a per-person-year stockpile cost based on the food expenditures of the world's poorest people, which is approximately $0.70 per day (GiveWell 2013). The cost for tracking and redirection capability assumes 30 years of costs, with $250 million annual costs (National Research Council 2010).
Example Results In this section, we give results from the computational model for the illustrative example, using the previously stated assumptions. Figure 5 gives the probability density function (PDF) of the base-case annual probability of global catastrophe from both visible and dark NEO impacts. (On the horizontal axis, "u" is "mu," or micro, i.e., 10 −6.) Contemplating probabilities of probabilities can be confusing, but it is easy to see in PDF figures where there are broad spreads of probability (corresponding to great uncertainties) or narrow spreads (for less uncertainty). The
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Sorry for the long hiatus! I was really busy over the past few months and just didn't find time to write this newsletter. (Realistically, I was also a bit tired of writing it and so lacked motivation.) I'm intending to go back to writing it now, though I don't think I can realistically commit to publishing weekly; we'll see how often I end up publishing. For now, have a list of all the things I should have advertised to you whose deadlines haven't already passed.
NEWS
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[Survey on AI alignment resources](https://www.guidedtrack.com/programs/qd2mn4k/run) *(Anonymous)* (summarized by Rohin): This survey is being run by an outside collaborator in partnership with the Centre for Effective Altruism (CEA). They ask that you fill it out to help field builders find out which resources you have found most useful for learning about and/or keeping track of the AI alignment field. Results will help inform which resources to promote in the future, and what type of resources we should make more of.
[Announcing the Inverse Scaling Prize ($250k Prize Pool)](https://www.alignmentforum.org/posts/eqxqgFxymP8hXDTt5/announcing-the-inverse-scaling-prize-usd250k-prize-pool) *(Ethan Perez et al)* (summarized by Rohin): This prize with a $250k prize pool asks participants to find new examples of tasks where pretrained language models exhibit *inverse scaling*: that is, models get *worse* at the task as they are scaled up. Notably, you do not need to know how to program to participate: a submission consists solely of a dataset giving at least 300 examples of the task.
Inverse scaling is particularly relevant to AI alignment, for two main reasons. First, it directly helps understand how the language modeling objective ("predict the next word") is outer misaligned, as we are finding tasks where models that do better according to the language modeling objective do worse on the task of interest. Second, the experience from examining inverse scaling tasks could lead to general observations about how best to detect misalignment.
[$500 bounty for alignment contest ideas](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/qpKYn4sF67ipposHB/usd500-bounty-for-alignment-contest-ideas) *(Akash)* (summarized by Rohin): The authors are offering a $500 bounty for producing a frame of the alignment problem that is accessible to smart high schoolers/college students and people without ML backgrounds. (See the post for details; this summary doesn't capture everything well.)
[Job ad: Bowman Group Open Research Positions](https://docs.google.com/document/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vQ9_YaSDU9EGr6x8HJfL2zCMLSCXgHGaMZRLz77GzQA0r0TpQep9wtFui2rI4vFrjjRORWui61oI2nY/pub?urp=gmail_link) *(Sam Bowman)* (summarized by Rohin): Sam Bowman is looking for people to join a research center at NYU that'll focus on empirical alignment work, primarily on large language models. There are a variety of roles to apply for (depending primarily on how much research experience you already have).
[Job ad: Postdoc at the Algorithmic Alignment Group](https://www.cooperativeai.com/job-listing/postdoctoral-researcher-at-mit) (summarized by Rohin): This position at Dylan Hadfield-Menell's lab will lead the design and implementation of a large-scale Cooperative AI contest to take place next year, alongside collaborators at DeepMind and the Cooperative AI Foundation.
[Job ad: AI Alignment postdoc](https://www.jobs.cam.ac.uk/job/35317/) (summarized by Rohin): [David Krueger](https://www.davidscottkrueger.com/) is hiring for a postdoc in AI alignment (and is also hiring for [another role in deep learning](https://www.jobs.cam.ac.uk/job/35319/)). The application deadline is August 2.
[Job ad: OpenAI Trust & Safety Operations Contractor](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nANH_DKQXAUZL67uiIVyZ4NcHQiSTTncsXhRok28b30/edit#) (summarized by Rohin): In this remote contractor role, you would evaluate submissions to OpenAI's [App Review process](https://beta.openai.com/docs/usage-guidelines/app-review) to ensure they comply with OpenAI's policies. Apply [here](https://forms.gle/MU7vwyfq37mWF2QWA) by July 13, 5pm Pacific Time.
[Job ad: Director of CSER](https://www.cser.ac.uk/about-us/careers/director-fixed-term/) (summarized by Rohin): Application deadline is July 31. Quoting the job ad: "The Director will be expected to provide visionary leadership for the Centre, to maintain and enhance its reputation for cutting-edge research, to develop and oversee fundraising and new project and programme design, to ensure the proper functioning of its operations and administration, and to lead its endeavours to secure longevity for the Centre within the University."
[Job ads: Redwood Research](https://www.redwoodresearch.org/jobs) (summarized by Rohin): Redwood Research works directly on AI alignment research, and hosts and operates Constellation, a shared office space for longtermist organizations including ARC, MIRI, and Open Philanthropy. They are hiring for a number of operations and technical roles.
[Job ads: Roles at the Fund for Alignment Research](https://alignmentfund.org/) (summarized by Rohin): The Fund for Alignment Research (FAR) is a new organization that helps AI safety researchers, primarily in academia, pursue high-impact research by hiring contractors. It is currently hiring for Operation Manager, Research Engineer, and Communication Specialist roles.
[Job ads: Encultured AI](https://encultured.ai/#jobs) (summarized by Rohin): Encultured AI is a new for-profit company with a public benefit mission: to develop technologies promoting the long-term survival and flourishing of humanity and other sentient life. They are hiring for a Machine Learning Engineer and an Immersive Interface Engineer role.
[Job ads: Fathom Radiant](https://fathomradiant.co/careers) (summarized by Rohin): Fathom Radiant is a public benefit corporation that aims to build a new type of computer which they hope to use to support AI alignment efforts. They have several open roles, including (but not limited to) [Scientists / Engineers, Builders](https://jobs.lever.co/fathomradiant/2ce600fa-720d-4d23-afe1-c302cb35cdaa) and [Software Engineer, Lab](https://jobs.lever.co/fathomradiant/d7a4cdd3-92ba-436e-823e-53df14a903f6).
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gut, or should it focus its efforts on all that remains unknown about the immune system itself?
"The major advancements in any field come when branches of science collide," said Kevin Tracey, an immunologist at the Feinstein Institute for Medical Research, one of the researchers asked to write their opinion about the future of immunology for the tenth anniversary issue of Nature Immunology.
Tracey's interests lie in the intersection of neurophysiology and immunology, which took the spotlight after the discovery that action potentials of the vagus nerve regulate the release of cytokines from the spleen and other organs. "That's just the beginning. I think there is going to be a lot of nerves and a lot of circuits that control the immune system," Tracey told The Scientist. If so, future medical devices to control these circuits may act like immune-system pacemakers, Tracey predicted, and when implanted along nerves could treat inflammatory diseases including arthritis, colitis, diabetes, heart disease and arteriosclerosis.
B. Brett Finlay, in contrast, argues that the future of immunology lies in the gut. The mucosal lining of the intestines harbors special lymphoid tissues containing white blood cells, and Finlay, a microbiologist at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, said he believes a better understanding of the interactions between the immune system, the gut and other mucosal surfaces will push the field of immunology forward.
Knowing how the gut interacts with other mucosal membranes is important because an immune reaction in one of these areas can cause changes in others. "When you realize that [the mucosal surfaces] talk to each other, it has quite significant impacts on how we interpret their actions and reactions to infection," Finlay said.
Indeed, differences in intestinal microbes can have substantial effects on the immune system. Even which company a lab buys their mice from can influence the mice's gut microbiota, which in turn influences their immune system and immune response. "Knowing what we know now, it might explain why one lab finds one thing and another finds another," said Finlay.
the sound of the god particle
But Richard Dobson - a composer involved with the project - says he is struck at how musical the products of the collisions sound.
He said he hoped the particle collisions at Cern would "reveal something new and something important about the nature of the Universe".
And Mr Endrich says that those who have been involved in the project have felt something akin to a religious experience while listening to the sounds.
"You feel closer to the mystery of Nature which I think a lot of scientists do when they get deep into these matters," he said.
"Its so intriguing and there's so much mystery and so much to learn. The deeper you go, the more of a pattern you find and it's fascinating and it's uplifting." Fist tap Nana.
Wednesday, June 23, 2010
sen. whitehouse explodes - america must never be on its knees!!!
DailyKos | Prepare to be floored by a speech against Corporate power for the ages.
(T)his American Government of ours should never be on its knees before corporate power, no matter how strong. It should never be in the thrall of corporate wealth, no matter how vast.
Speaking on the Senate Floor, Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) gave the speech of a lifetime on Thursday. Ironically, this was just after Republican House Representative Joe Barton (BP-TX) virtually knelt down in order to kiss the ring of the Feudal Lord/CEO of BP, a multinational fiefdom of Big Oil.
obama vs. the corporations
These are extraordinary numbers given the normal tendency of corporate money to flow to the party in power. Corporate America, however, really, truly hates the current administration. Wall Street, for example, is in “a state of bitter, seething, hysterical fury” toward the president, writes John Heilemann of New York magazine. What’s going on?
One answer is taxes — not so much on corporations themselves as on the people who run them. The Obama administration plans to raise tax rates on upper brackets back to Clinton-era levels. Furthermore, health reform will in part be paid for with surtaxes on high-income individuals. All this will amount to a significant financial hit to C.E.O.’s, investment bankers and other masters of the universe.
Now, don’t cry for these people: they’ll still be doing extremely well, and by and large they’ll be paying little more as a percentage of their income than they did in the 1990s. Yet the fact that the tax increases they’re facing are reasonable doesn’t stop them from being very, very angry.
Nor are taxes the whole story.
Many Obama supporters have been disappointed by what they see as the administration’s mildness on regulatory issues — its embrace of limited financial reform that doesn’t break up the biggest banks, its support for offshore drilling, and so on. Yet corporate interests are balking at even modest changes from the permissiveness of the Bush era.
From the outside, this rage against regulation seems bizarre. I mean, what did they expect? The financial industry, in particular, ran wild under deregulation, eventually bringing on a crisis that has left 15 million Americans unemployed, and required large-scale taxpayer-financed bailouts to avoid an even worse outcome. Did Wall Street expect to emerge from all that without facing some new restrictions? Apparently it did.
So what President Obama and his party now face isn’t just, or even mainly, an opposition grounded in right-wing populism. For grass-roots anger is being channeled and exploited by Justify Fullcorporate interests, which will be the big winners if the G.O.P. does well in November.
twenty two reasons american working people hate the state
Globalresearch | The state in its multiple activities, whether in law enforcement, military recruitment, tax and expenditure polices, environmental, pension and retirement legislation and administration, systematically favors the upper class and corporate elite against wage, salaried and small business people.
The state is permissive with the rich and repressive of the working and salaried employees, defending the privileges of the corporations and the impunity of the police state while infringing on the individual freedoms of the working people.
State policies increasingly extract more from the workers in terms of tax revenues and provide less in social payments, while lessening tax payments from Wall Street and inflating state transfers.
Popular perceptions of a hostile and exploitative state correspond to their everyday practical experiences; their anti-state behavior is selective and rational; most wage and salaried workers support social security and unemployment benefits and oppose higher taxes because they know or intuit that they are unfair.
Liberal academics and experts who claim workers are “irrational” are themselves practioners of highly selective criticisms – pointing to (shrinking) state social benefits while ignoring the unjust, inequitable tax system and the biased behavior of the judicial, law enforcement, legislative and regulatory system.
State personnel, policy makers and enforcement officials are attentive to and responsive and deferential to the rich and hostile and indifferent or arrogant toward workers.
In summary the real issue is not that people are anti-state, but that the state is anti the majority of the people. In the face of the economic crises and prolonged imperial wars, the state becomes more brazenly aggressive in slashing living standards in order to channel record levels of public funds toward Wall Street speculators and the military industrial complex.
While liberal-progressives’ remain embedded in ‘neo-keynsian’ statest ideology, outmoded in the face of a state thoroughly embedded in corporate networks, the New Right’s “anti-statest” rhetoric resonates with the feelings, experiences and reasoning of important sectors of wage and salaried workers and small businesspeople.
The attempt by liberals and progressives to discredit this popular revolt against the state, by pointing to the corporate financing and rightwing manipulation behind the anti-statist movement is doomed to failure, because it fails to deal with the profound injustices experienced by working people today in their daily dealings with a state, largely administered by liberal corporate-militarists. The absence of an anti-statist left has opened the door for the rise of a mass based ‘New Right’.
A ‘new left’will emerge from civil society when it recognizes the pernicious exploitative role of the state, and is capable of dealing with the powerful ties between liberalism-militarism-corporate “welfarism”. The revival and expansion of the debilitated public welfare programs for working people can only take place by dismantling the current state apparatus, and that depends on a complete break with both corporate parties and an agenda that ‘revolutionizes’ the way in which politics works in America.
Tuesday, June 22, 2010
the western way of life threatens the western way of life
Video - Jean Tinguely's art spoofs industrialization.
Time-tested and effective ways of analyzing problems have been known for centuries. Rene Descartes published his Rules for the Direction of the Mind around 1627 and the Discourse on Method in 1637. John Stuart Mill published his Methods in his System of Logic in 1843. The mathematical method known as reductio ad absurdum has been employed throughout the history of mathematics and philosophy from classical antiquity onwards, as has the method known as counterexample. And root cause analysis is a highly developed method often used in information science and other places. Oddly enough, however, even most well educated Americans seem to be unaware of any of these analytical techniques, and when attempts are made to analyze ideas, these attempts are rarely carried out logically or all the way to their ultimate ends. Americans rarely "follow the argument wherever it leads;" even those good at analysis often stop when they come across something that looks appealing.
John B. Judis recently published a piece in the New Republic in which he summarized some claims made by Robert Brenner, a UCLA economic historian. Judis writes:
"Brenner’s analysis of the current downturn can be boiled down to a fairly simple point: that the underlying cause of the current downturn lies in the “real” economy of private goods and service production rather than in the financial sector, and that the current remedies—from government spending and tax cuts to financial regulation—will not lead to the kind of robust growth and employment that the United States enjoyed after World War II and fleetingly in the late 1990s. These remedies won’t succeed because they won’t get at what has caused the slowdown in the real economy: global overcapacity in tradeable (sic) goods production. Global overcapacity means that the world’s industries are capable of producing far more steel, shoes, cell phones, computer chips, and automobiles (among other things) than the world’s consumers are able and willing to consume."
Why this is worth mentioning is difficult to fathom. Overproduction has always been associated with economic busts, and such busts have happened with such regularity that economists have even incorporated them into theory by euphemistically calling booms and busts the "business cycle." The question that must be asked is, "What causes overproduction?" And the answer is industrialization.
The Industrial Revolution began in England around 1780. It transformed England from a manual labour and draft-animal economy into a machine-based one. But this change in the primary mode of economic activity was not merely economic; it changed the entire culture, not clearly for the better. Almost every aspect of life was changed in some way.
blow up the well to save the gulf?
Video - Account of soviet era nuclear well capping.
deepwater horizons plot thickens...,
Video - CNN interview preview with Tyrone Benton.
Monday, June 21, 2010
what ankara knows
Video - Gratuitous panorama of the Blue Mosque in Instanbul.
Counterpunch | Democracy in Turkey has never been as healthy and meaningful as it is today. Turkey has also eased its chase of the proverbial dangling carrot, of EU membership, especially considering the arrogant attitude of some EU members who perceive Turkey as too large and too Muslim to be trusted. Turkey needed new platforms, new options and a more diverse strategy.
But that is where many analysts went wrong. Turkey’s popular government has not entered the Middle Eastern political foray to pick fights. On the contrary, the Turkish government has for years been trying to get involved as a peacemaker, a mediator between various parties. So, yes, Turkey’s political shift was largely strategic, but it was not ill-intentioned.
The uninvited Turkish involvement, however, is highly irritating to Israel. Turkey’s approach to its new role grew agitating to Israel when the role wasn’t confined to being that of the host — in indirect talks between Syria and Israel, for example. Instead, Turkey began to take increasingly solid and determined political stances. Thus the Davos episode.
By participating at such a high capacity in the Gaza Freedom Flotilla, with firm intentions of breaking the siege, Turkey was escalating its involvement well beyond Israel’s comfort zone. Therefore, Israel needed a decisive response that would send a message to Turkey — and any daring other — about crossing the line of what is and is not acceptable. It’s ironic how the neoconservatives’ “A Clean Break” envisaged an Israeli violation of the political and geographic boundaries of its neighbors, with the help of Turkey. Yet, 14 years later, it was Turkey, with representatives from 32 other countries, which came with a peaceful armada to breach what Israel perceived as its own political domain.
The Israeli response, as bloody as it was, can only be understood within this larger context. Erdogan’s statements and the popular support his government enjoys show that Turkey has decided to take on the Israeli challenge. The US government was exposed as ineffectual and hostage to the failing Israeli agenda in the region, thanks to the lobby. Ironically it is now the neoconservatives who are leading the charge against Turkey, the very country they had hoped would become Israel’s willing ally in its apocalyptic vision.
lying language of power..,
Sunday, June 20, 2010
gulf oil spill a hole in the world
Video - Naomi Klein visits the gulf coast with the crew from Fault Lines.
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Doubt, Science, and Magical Creatures - a Child's Perspective
Doubt
I grew up in a Jewish household, so I didn't have Santa Claus to doubt - but I did have the tooth fairy.
It was hard for me to believe that a magical being I had never seen somehow knew whenever any child lost their tooth, snuck into their house unobserved without setting off the alarms, for unknown reasons took the tooth, and for even less fathomable reasons left a dollar and a note in my mom's handwriting.
On the other hand, the alternative hypothesis was no less disturbing: my parents were lying to me.
Of course I had to know which of these terrible things was true. So one night, when my parents were out (though I was still young enough to have a babysitter), I noticed that my tooth was coming out and decided that this would be...
A Perfect Opportunity for an Experiment.
I reasoned that if my parents didn't know about the tooth, they wouldn't be able to fake a tooth fairy appearance. I would find a dollar and note under my pillow if, but only if, the tooth fairy were real.
I solemnly told the babysitter, "I lost my tooth, but don't tell Mom and Dad. It's important - it's science!" Then at the end of the night I went to my bedroom, put the tooth under the pillow, and went to sleep. The next morning, I woke up and looked under my pillow. The tooth was gone, and in place there was a dollar and a note from the "tooth fairy."
This could have been the end of the story. I could have decided that I'd performed an experiment that would come out one way if the tooth fairy were real, and a different way if the tooth fairy were not. But I was more skeptical than that. I thought, "What's more likely? That a magical creature took my tooth? Or that the babysitter told my parents?"
I was furious at the possibility of such an egregious violation of experimental protocol, and never trusted that babysitter in the lab again.
An Improvement in Experimental Design
The next time, I was more careful. I understood that the flaw in the previous experiment had been failure
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On Overhangs and Technological Change
Imagine an almost infinite, nearly flat plain of early medieval farming villages populated by humans and their livestock (cows, horses, sheep, etc) politically organized into small duchies and generally peaceful apart from rare skirmishes.
Add a few key technologies like stirrups and compound bows (as well as some social technology - the desire for conquest, maneuver warfare, multiculturalism) and a great khan or warlord can take men and horses and conquer the entire world. The Golden Horde did this to Eurasia in the 1200s.
An overhang in the sense I am using here means a buildup of some resource (like people, horses and land) that builds up far in excess of what some new consuming process needs, and the consuming process proceeds rapidly like a mountaineer falling off an overhanging cliff, as opposed to merely rolling down a steep slope.
The Eurasian Plain pre-1200 was in a "steppe-horde-vulnerable-land Overhang". They didn't know it, but their world was in a metastable state which could rapidly turn into a new, more "energetically favored" state where they had been slaughtered or enslaved by The Mongols.
Before the spread of homo sapiens, the vertebrate land animal biomass was almost entirely not from genus homo. Today, humans and our farm animals comprise something like 90% of it. The pre-homo-sapiens world had a "non-civilized-biomass overhang": there were lots of animals and ecosystems, but they were all pointless (no globally directed utilization of resources, everything was just a localized struggle for survival, so a somewhat coordinated and capable group could just take everything).
Why do these metastable transitions happen? Why didn't the Eurasian Plain just gradually develop horse archers everywhere at once, such that the incumbent groups were not really disrupted? Why don't forests just gradually burn a little bit all over the place, so that there's never a large and dangerous forest fire? Why didn't all animal species develop civilization at the s
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most well-known instance is in Season 7 episode 50, when Kalo sacrifices himself to save the planet; even Careful S. is bawling his eyes out.
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• Batman's biggest weak points as far as emotion goes are his children, but especially Dick. At one point, when exposed to the Scarecrow's fear toxin, he runs through his worst fears checklist in an almost bored manner, with everyone close to him dying. Then it comes to Dick, and Batman's only response is a very determined "No."
• In A Death in the Family and Batman: Under the Red Hood, Batman's expression on his face of shock, horror, and sadness after Jason Todd's death speaks for itself.
• Pretty much in any continuity, anything involving his parents (especially if it involves their deaths), Alfred, or any of the Robins (Dick mainly) is bound to get a rise out of him emotionally, not always in a Tear Jerker way, sometimes in a Heartwarming way as well. However, when a villain hurts anyone in his family, you know shit's gonna hit the fan because if Batman gets pissed and shows it, said villain is screwed.
• In one instance, Batman was talking with Catwoman after the Gang War storyline, which devastated the city and left two of his allies dead. Angry at his casual reaction to it, Catwoman starts holding him, yelling "Feel! Feel something, damn it!". Bruce just pulls her into a hug and says "Selina... I feel everything". Not a big show of emotion, but it certainly illustrates the point.
• In "Mad Love", Batman apparently bursts out in hysterical laughter at the thought of Harley Quinn actually winning the love of the Joker. In this case, he was deliberately doing it to play on Harley's insecurities. It worked, too.
• In The Killing Joke, he shares a hearty guffaw with The Joker at a metaphorical joke about the two of them. It's more laughter of the damned, but it's still real laughter.
• The Trope Image is from Knightfall, just after Batman has to be stopped from smashing Zsasz's head in like a watermelon. The kicker? That was part 3. It gets worse from there.
• Batman rogue Mr. Freeze is, as befits a cold-themed character, usually grim and without empathy. However, bring up his beloved Nora and he will break down, either in rage or sorrow. Depends on the writer, as some write Freeze to be more openly emotional to the point where the trope wouldn't apply.
• Cyclops has done this a few times, notably in the X-Men First Class two-parter Catalyst. As everyone wakes up to find their powers are gone, they feel either intrigued, shocked, or depressed; Scott however is dancing with joy, happier than ever before as he can finally open his eyes without killing everything. Then when they regain their powers they're ten times stronger, with Scott now having full control. However, Xavier realizes they have to give up their new level of power because it's making them too god-like, Scott is the only one who isn't now a physical God, but willingly gives it up, but not after a panel or two of looking like hell.
• Damage Control Comptroller Albert Cleary normally has Nerves of Steel, but he loses control after finding out he's been portrayed as an Uncle Tomfoolery caricature in a movie based on the company.
• The New 52 version of Superboy, when he starts getting a no-holds-barred beatdown in issue #2.
• James-Michael is The Stoic in Omega the Unknown due to having been raised by robots, but begins to react more emotionally as time goes on, even shedding a tear when one of his friends is beaten to death by bullies, though in truth he's more enraged than sad.
• Desire in The Sandman just seems amused most of the time. Even when its plans fail, it just shrugs it off. The exception: getting one-upped by Dream during "Three Septembers and a January", when Joshua Norton rejects its offer out of hand. It's the only time Desire gets angry.
• When Morpheus himself is confronted by the insane Hector Hall and learns that Hall calls himself "The Sandman", it's the first and only time in the whole series that he laughs (although his face is hidden by his helmet at the time).
• In "Brief Lives", Morpheus is extremely depressed after killing his son and finally breaks down into tears while going through his memories.
• In Watchmen, Rorschach's face never registers emotion — with two notable exceptions. He goes into a screaming frenzy when the cops take off his mask, and at the very end, he rips off his mask, showing Dr. Manhattan that he's been weeping uncontrollably since finding out the extent of Ozymandias' plan.
• Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie Comics):
• After Zonie makes Sonic kill an alternate version of his father and Sonic blows up at him, Zonic reminds him that it was technically his father too.
• A lighter example comes when Espio is told that he can return to Angel Island with his friends. He reacts with unbridled joy, before quickly clearing his throat and apologizing for the uncharacteristic outburst.
• The Transformers (IDW): Cyclonus is fiercly loyal to Galvatron, and always follows him with a dour attitude. However, when Galvatron is beaten back, Cyclonus is free of his influence (not mind control), and attacks him while screaming about how Galvatron was destroying their home. This continues into Transformers: More than Meets the Eye: where he's with the Autobots and very closed off, even his threats are delivered quietly and with a straight face. His interactions with Tailgate have caused him anger, and even violence, though he softens eventually, and shows him a kinder side.
• Soundwave from the IDW comics barely even registers emotion, he's composed in battle, and barely reacts when he's almost lobotomized. When Thunderwing's release is threatened, he considers the plan insane and tries to stop it, all the while never betraying his feelings. His emotions have only surfaced roughly four times: once in Monstrosity when sharing a jab at Scorponok's expense, once during All Hail Megatron where he wordlessly screams when he finds Rumble near death, during the Remain in the Light arc when Ravage starts dying from the Depopulation Bomb, he's in a full panic and begging for someone to save him and finally in the "Dying of the Light" arc he nearly breaks down when he senses Ravage's death.
• Ultra Magnus has a go when it turns out that being The Teetotaler means that he Can't Hold His Liquor.
Magnus: (distraught) I'm a serious person Swerve! I can't help it! I have only two expressions, and the second is just an angrier version of the first!
• Megatron takes a break from his grim, brooding stoicism to throw a tantrum about how ridiculous everything to do with the Lost Light is.
Magnus: Not at all. On this ship, a minor breakdown is practically a rite of passage.
• Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra: Elektra does not want to hear anything about Phoebe and Melissa gossiping about her crush. But when she hears that Phoebe knows the name of the man she liked, she's suddenly very interested to hear it.
• Another X-Men example is brought to us in the 1998 Heroes for Hire / Quicksilver crossover special, which featured as one of its antagonists the X-Men villain Exodus. Exodus, for the uninitiated, is a Knight Templar from the Crusades, and true to this background he's almost always The Stoic. He is also the man he is today in large part because of the actions of the Avenger Dane Whitman (aka the Black Knight), who at a critical period in history displaced his ancestor (and Exodus' best friend) Eobar Garrington. For the past 800 years, Exodus has believed it was his best friend who betrayed him, until this issue when the Black Knight tells him it was really him the whole time. Exodus... does not take it well.
Fan Works
• Abraxas (Hrodvitnon): Ren Serizawa. Vivienne observes that, unlike his late father's stoic personality, Ren's frosty demeanor is more of a mask which he uses to restrain his unresolved emotional issues (and he has a few regarding his late father).
• Child of the Storm:
• Doctor Strange usually maintains a smooth, polished, and faintly smug demeanour as someone who's got everyone right where he wants them and is quite comfortable moving them like chess pieces without more than a dry comment. However, this is part of the image he projects of the invincible Doctor Strange, and when he does crack under pressure or emotional strain, the results tend to be either amusing or, more usually, terrifying (or, rarely, both).
• Maddie was raised as The Spock, in the full belief that she is an Artifical Human whose only purpose is to be a Living Weapon, and is (mostly) fine with that, with a chill calm and practicality in the face of almost anything. Anything, that is, barring the Awful Truth that she is Jean Grey's twin sister, stolen at birth, and people being kind to her without any ulterior motives. The latter actually draws a heartbreakingly confused wail.
• Hetalia: Axis Powers fanfic Gankona, Unnachgiebig, Unità: Japan is usually stoic. Except for when you get on his nerves. Admittedly, this is VERY hard to do. Germany can tell you how Japan is like when he is angry though.
Japan: "SPEAK FOR YOURSELF! YOU'RE FAR TOO TOUGH AND HARSH! YOU'RE THE ONE WHO ALWAYS SCREAMS AT AND LAYS YOUR HANDS ON ITALIA-KUN!" The temperature plunged and soared hundreds of degrees simultaneously as the Asian lunged, the atmosphere far more inhospitable than the most blazing and subzero of deserts.
• Queen of All Oni: Father, one of Jade's Aspects who represents Jackie's influence on her, shows genuine sorrow when Hero is captured by the Queen.
• The interrogator, of all people, in You Obey is like this. Because the story is told from his perspective, you get a very vivid idea of what his job does to him.
• Suyou in Kyon: Big Damn Hero shows satisfaction when Kyon takes one of the reprogrammed Morph Weapons from her. She also wishes him good luck, which he promptly needs.
• In A Monster's Nature, for all of Brandon's usual emotional detachment, he appears genuinely scared at the thought of losing Caitlyn and looks at her with something that could be considered love, to the point of having a panic attack when he thinks he's left her in a coma while escaping a plane crash.
• Brandon even has a mini-breakdown when he admits during his reunion with Caitlyn that he actually does mourn the deaths of his parents, shakily affirming that he misses them even after they tried to kill him.
• Halo: Finishing The Fight: The Chief stays the same calm, composed soldier for the entire story, even when facing legions and Orcs, Dark Elves, Demons and even the Demogorgan. But after he has finally killed the Demogorgan thanks to Cortana's Heroic Sacrifice, this happens:
He grit his teeth again, and redoubled his efforts to keep moving. Cortana had bought this victory with her life. He silently swore to make that sacrifice count for something beyond what it already had. Right arm out, dig in a bit, pull, repeat. He chanted the mantra over and over again in his mind as he slowly dragged himself towards the faint, now blurring, light ahead. He attributed the blurring to more malfunctions and failing systems, never realizing that the cause was the tears filling his eyes.
• Snape in Arc of Sacrifices, big time. After being his usual snarky-git self for pretty much the entire series, he goes absolutely insane when Regulus Black dies in the seventh book.
• This occurs in Clouded Sky with Igneous, the protagonist's normally very stoic Magmar. During a Pokémon battle, an enemy Girafarig forces him to accidentally injure one of his allies and, due to his constant fear of unintentionally hurting those close to him, he flies into a rage and starts mercilessly pummeling Girafarig, completely ignoring his trainer's commands.
• When The Chief confronts Garrus in The Last Spartan for telling Tali to ask him about Cortana, the latter's attempts to convince him to come clean about Cortana's continued existence (despite the fact that A.I.s are illegal in Citadel Space) are met with barely contained frustration. When Garrus keeps pushing, however, The Chief snaps and reminds Garrus that all his fellow Spartans and everyone he knows in general is long-since dead (implicitly anyone who survived the war is dead of old age themselves). Cortana, as he notes, is all he has left.
• In the Star Trek: The Original Series fanfic Memories Born of Fire, Spock becomes more clingy around Kirk and has nightmares to the point of insomnia in the aftermath of the kal-i-fee.
• In the fanfic Retribution, Spock actually shouts when Kirk contradicts his statement that the captain "[has] no idea of the offenses that can be committed between us." Justified as the painfulness of McCoy's cure for Rapid Aging sapped his self-control.
• In the Star Trek: The Original Series fanfic Insontis II, when Kirk is almost electrocuted, kid!Spock hides himself. Shortly after finding him, McCoy notices his hands are "clenched and trembling." He is only a kid.
• The Stars Will Aid Their Escape: You can tell that Herald is having a Villainous Breakdown during his fight with the Princesses because he's actually getting visibly angry.
• Likewise, Checker Monarch's Villainous Breakdown in 'Getting Back on Your Hooves is accompanied by her Ice Queen persona gradually slipping into psychotic rage as Trixie's charity show manages to proceed as planned despite her attempts at stopping it before she snaps completely.
• Like the previous two examples, Brainiac from Mare of Steel gets visibly angry when Rainbow Dash/Supermare breaks out of his Sadistic Choice and decides to just kill her instead of collecting any information from her.
• In Ace Combat: The Equestrian War, both Talisman and Mobius express sincere sadness after the death of Carrot Top.
• In Mission Report: Impossible as Nova Prime attempts to get through an insane report that the Guardians sent in, she keeps trying to stay calm, stoic, and in control like normal before giving up and instead laughs until she starts crying.
• In The Second Try, Kaworu's aura of unflappable calm and serenity shattered when Asuka took him by surprise using her Unit-02 which he thought he was controlling. He was so shocked that he actually screamed.
• Corrin Reacts: Beruka and Flora are canonically an Emotionless Girl and a Broken Bird respectively. However...
• Beruka ends up breaking into a Luminescent Blush when Benny gives her an Accidental Kiss and admits unrequited feelings for him when he admits his.
• Flora is a constant target of Corrin's attempts at jokes, and he even succeeds at making her laugh. Also, the absolutely lovestruck smile she gives after playing a game with Jakob.
• This Bites!:
• In Chapter 18, when the crew arrives at Rainbase, Zoro whoops at the thought of not having to traverse the desert anymore. It takes a minute for them to believe that he's actually Zoro.
• As of Chapter 25, it seems that Robin's losing her status as The Stoic a lot faster than in canon.
• After Cross pulls his Davy Jones ghost story prank on his listeners, Zoro, Robin, and even Wiper are laughing fit to bust.
• Dragon bursts into laughter when he hears the Straw Hats annihilate the World Government's flag.
• Robin completely loses her calm countenance when Cross gives her a noogie.
• In Losing Control, Eren notes that Annie's lost her perpetually bored look during their fight, embracing the same Unstoppable Rage he has.
• Total Loud Island: Dawn is usually very in control of herself and is very hard to shake, but Chris manages to find a way. When during 'Phobia Factor' her challenge is to stay locked in a cargo crate full of working machines without any form of nature for six hours and ends up begging to be let out. Then when the gross-out challenge puts her in a position where she's forced to eat meat and she starts to cry.
• A Man of Iron: When it's suggested that his cousin Tony is the Iron Man, the usually utterly composed Ned Stark bursts out in hysterical laughter, much to the shock of the Small Council.
• My Father's Son: Stannis surprised even himself when after a deep conversation with Lyneese Hightower, he shows jealousy, shrewdness and desire to have her as his wife.
• In Power Rangers Mythos, despite his history as a Ranger, Flynn is clearly uncomfortable with even the idea that ghosts might be real when investigating strange occurrences in the Paris catacombs, prompting some teasing from Z.
• In the James Bond/The Worst Witch crossover "A Witching Happiness", when MI6 agents including M, Q and Bond hear Alec Trevalyan making his apparently final call to the daughter he only recently met, they're all struck by the emotion in the call, with M planning to ensure his agent's final wishes for his daughter are carried out.
• The Golden Griffin in The Parselmouth of Gryffindor.
• Normally pragmatic and unflappable, in Desire Written in Olive, Black Widow bursts out in a "barking laugh that made everyone jump" when she hears that Vision accidentally walked in on Tony and Wanda having sex.
• In A Pink Planet, Pink Diamond puts on a brave and wise face towards the Earth and the people that live there, but Greg was quick to realize that her abusive history with her fellow Diamonds have led her to have massive reserves of self-doubt and a pathological fear of disappointing others.
• Despite her usually stoic persona, in The Loud House fanfiction Irrational Fear, Lisa, when scared, acts just like a normal scared little girl, and she's later seen crying and laughing.
• Code Prime: Even Tohdoh is absolutely stunned in Chapter 5 of R1 when the Autobots make their existence public.
• The animated fan series The Legend of Zelda: A Hero's Purpose (a take on the yet-untold story between The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask and The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess) has a truly heartbreaking moment in episode 3 when, having returned to Hyrule after many years of wandering, Link reconnects with Saria again by playing her song. During a lull in their conversation, the full weight of everything he had been through, fought to overcome, and was forced to give up as the Hero of Time finally becomes too much to bear, and Link breaks down sobbing in frustration over how he's had to suffer quietly with it for so long. The story is presented in the style of a cutscene from the games, complete with dialog options for Link, and the struggle to keep his emotions bottled up is represented by the arrow switching between him pouring out his heart to Saria and simply saying some variant of "I'm fine", until those latter choices soon become grayed out. It's more effective than you'd think. As is Saria's response.
• RainbowDoubleDash's Lunaverse: In Nightmares Yet to Come, Midnight is so stoic that when she apparently attempts to make a joke, it is with absolutely no change in her usual tone, yet she claims immediately after that she panicked (again, with no change in tone or her usual expression). When Trixie's not around, she actually shows a much less stoic demeanour, far more casual language, and in one instance goes berserk.
• In ''Total Drama Comeback, a Running Gag is that Eva, who normally is either surly or screaming in fury, breaks out in uncontrollable laughter during slapsticky moments.
• Felix in Doppler Effect manages to keep a cool head throughout most of the story when acting as Chat Noir's substitute, but he starts to have a very bad breakdown when he has to use Cataclysm without Plagg to act as a Power Limiter, something the Kwami warns is quite dangerous and could very well result in death. Luckily, Felix survives.
• Batman in Spiderhead is, well, Batman, but he eventually becomes extremely unnerved when he finds out the full extent of Spider-Man's baser arachnid instincts and abilities. A few examples include: finding bugs delicious, being able to inject people with venom, being able to loosen his bones and move around like slime, and (in the Omake) being able to transform into a swarm of spiders that retain his consciousness.
"Spider-Man," Bruce says, and his voice is uneven in the way that Batman's voice is never uneven. There's no growl at all. "What the fuck."
Films — Animation
• Big Hero 6:
• Gogo Tomago comes across as The Stoic under most situations, but ends up flipping out over Wasabi's over-cautiousness when they are being chased by the villain:
Gogo: Why're we stopped?
Wasabi: The light's red!
Gogo: There are no red lights IN A CAR CHASE!
• Later, after Hiro tries to outright kill Professor Callaghan, Gogo is the one to give him a Cooldown Hug.
• Stoick, aptly enough, in How to Train Your Dragon is very much this trope, dropping his cool demeanor when he fears for the safety of his tribe or his son Hiccup. Also in the sequel, when he is reunited with his long-lost wife Valka. Valka lampshades this at one point, saying, "Stop being so stoic, Stoick." when Stoick walks up to her without saying a word.
• Kung Fu Panda: Tigress is cold and emotionless throughout most of the film, especially toward Po, whom she regards as an unworthy interloper. When Po starts making goofy faces after she tells him about Master Shifu and Tai Lung, she loses her temper and is about to take him down, until Mantis assures her that Po's goofy face was the result of his hitting the wrong nerve with his acupuncture.
• Kung Fu Panda 2: She is still fairly cool and collected throughout, but has come to regard Po as an equal and a friend. When she fights Po to keep him out of a battle (due to concerns for his own safety) she ends the fight by giving Po a Cool Down Hug, which stuns the rest of the Furious Five into slack-jawed silence and even Po himself.
"The hardcore do understand."
• Done twice in Monsters University, once for comedy then for drama.
• The deadpan and goth Claire Wheeler plays up the contrast with her Large Ham partner Buck. But when Oozma Kappa win the Scare Games, she goes nuts with excitement, even more than Buck.
• Dean Hardscrabble is very strict, harsh, and unflappable. When Mike and Sulley create a scream of such power that it not only activates a door from the human side, it fills up every canister in the laboratory until the door explodes, she becomes wide-eyed in shock. After expelling them for destroying the lab, she wishes them good luck and informs them she believes in them because they did one thing she thought was impossible, and that was surprising her.
• The Prophet: While Mustafa is a warm man he's also a very reserved one. All of his dealings with the people are kind, honest, and dignified; he's even patient with the Sergeant. With the Commandant, however, he has harsher words towards and it's clear that underneath his pleasantries he hates what the Commandant stands for.
• Miguel O'Hara in The Stinger for Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse is introduced in a relatively subdued and sarcastic conversation, only to start his actual mission and get sidetracked by yelling at his counterpart in the '60s cartoon universe in a pointless argument over (ironically enough) pointing.
Films — Live-Action
• Animal Kingdom has Joshua, who carries a dull, blank expression through most of the movie, including when his mother dies at the beginning, and barely seems to react to anything. However, after his girlfriend is killed, he finally breaks down and cries alone in the toilet.
• In Bridge to Terabithia (the Film of the Book), Mrs. Meyer is the typical Stern Teacher, very uptight and severe. She breaks into sobs while she explains to Jess and that she understands how he feels because of Leslie's death since she had a very harsh time after her husband's death.
• Zus Belieski in Defiance is a cold-hearted bastard. When his younger brother was sobbing helplessly over the recent deaths of their parents, Zus shook him roughly and shouted at him to stop crying. The one heartwrenching moment when his armor cracks comes after he learns that the wife and son he'd left in a then-safe city had been killed by the Germans.
• Matt King in The Descendants is usually completely stoic, especially around his kids. It makes the few moments when he breaks and finally gets angry or cries extremely effective.
• Die Hard with a Vengeance has two female examples:
• Action Girl Connie Kowalski is pretty hard-boiled — as are almost all of the NYPD cops — but during the evacuation of the elementary school (when it's believed that a bomb has been planted there) she confesses that she might "pee [her] pants."
• Katya, Simon Gruber's Dark Action Girl, never smiles, never speaks, never even makes a sound throughout all her scenes...until the film's climax, when she and Simon are interrupted by John McClane and Zeus Carver at a very inopportune moment — and she completely loses her cool, firing off a machine gun and screaming in rage.
• Dredd Dredd drops his usually unflappable demeanor when he's faced with rotary cannons and runs like hell. Though, being Dredd, he still manages to flee in a fairly composed (given the situation!) and manly way.
Dredd: Oh, shit.
• First Man:
• At a funeral, Neil imagines seeing his dead daughter, and promptly leaves, banging his car into another in process. Earlier on in the film, at his daughter's wake, he keeps his cool until he heads alone into his study, at which point he promptly bursts into tears.
• Janet, who is as stoic as her husband is, completely loses it when she realizes Neil intends to leave for the Apollo 11 mission without preparing their sons for the possibility of him not making it back.
• Richard Kimble in The Fugitive is a Stoic Woobie the entire film, but very clearly almost breaks when Sam calls out to him that he knows he's innocent.
• Egon in Ghostbusters (1984) is the calmest and least emotional of the four... until Peck does something Egon specifically told him not to do and blames the resulting explosion on the Ghostbusters. Then Egon screams "Your mother!" and attempts to throttle him.
• In The Godfather movies, Michael Corleone is generally The Stoic, even when someone is threatening him, except when Kay gets him angry, such as when she asks him about his business, or when she tells him she had an abortion, not a miscarriage, in the second film.
• Done in a particular heartwrenching way in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 during Snape's flashback sequence. First he's weeping when asking Dumbledore to protect Lily, then he's bawling as he cradles her dead body.
• In Inglourious Basterds, Nazi colonel Hans Landa has a cordial talk with a French farmer about the Jews he's hunting. The farmer is hiding said Jews beneath his floorboards but keeps up an impenetrable poker face throughout until Landa reveals that he already knows about them, at which point tears start streaming down the poor man's face.
• Even then his voice never wavers. He just looks utterly haunted as he continues to levelly answer Landa's questions.
• Another, slightly more disturbing example is Landa himself. Throughout most of the movie, he is Affably Evil, almost never wavering in his soft-spoken cordiality...until he calls out Von Hammersmark on being a spy for the Allies, then strangles her to death.
• And then becomes a traitor himself, which makes his murder of the actress a little strange.
• Landa has another NSS moment at the end when Aldo Raine shoots the German soldiers they were escorting along with him. It was most likely the shock of the unexpected gunshots giving way to fear with the dawning realization that, with his only two compatriots now freshly killed and bleeding out on the ground beside him and with his hands bound and his only company the remaining Basterds...he's well and truly fucked.
• Forms part of the plot of The Invisible: Nick resented his mother's stoicism, especially after his father died, thinking she had no actual feelings. While he's missing and presumed dead, he finds her still keeping the facade and rants furiously (and uselessly) at her. She can't see or hear him. Then she upsets a teacup and abruptly breaks down sobbing...
• Silent Bob's outburst in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.
• And before that, when he weeps (silently but heartwrenchingly) over Bethany's death in Dogma.
• The Lord of the Rings
• In The Magnificent Seven (2016), Billy Rocks. Billy's companion Robicheaux, a PTSD-addled veteran of the Civil War, directly states he relies on Billy to keep him steady, and with Billy's stonefaced calm it's easy to see how. But when Robicheaux himself freaks out and abandons the group the night before the final battle, it turns out the Living Emotional Crutch aspect of their relationship goes both ways, as Billy shuts himself away and hammers down a bottle of whiskey. It's the first and only time in the movie he appears out of control of himself, and even the other members of the group steer clear of him.
• Solo in The Man from U.N.C.L.E. (2015) briefly loses his casual cool to a bit of nervousness and fear when he was about to be tortured by Uncle Rudi.
• When Agent Kay is forced to relive a devastating memory in Men in Black II, there's a brief but powerful shot of him quietly crying.
• MonsterVerse:
• When Ford Brody sees the dead body of his father in Godzilla (2014), he tears up.
• Emma Russell in Godzilla: King of the Monsters (2019) clearly tries to be The Unfettered, but the facade cracks when her daughter or ex-husband angrily call her out on responding to her son's death by committing to an Eco-Terrorist plan to dabble with Eldritch Abominations she doesn't fully understand and attempt to effectively commit mass genocide upon humanity.
• Although Dr. Serizawa for the most part is presented as The Stoic, there have been a couple instances where something pushes him too far for him to not show emotion: he has a Thousand-Yard Stare response to the aftermath of Hokmuto's devastating escape in the 2014 film, and in King of the Monsters, he is visibly distraught after Vivienne Graham is murdered by Ghidorah and he's practically shell-shocked when Godzilla is seemingly killed due to the military's stupidity.
• In the Sherlock Holmes vs Jack the Ripper movie, Murder by Decree. In it Holmes (played by Christopher Plummer), who remains characteristically Stoic after watching the first four corpses the Ripper leaves behind, starts to show signs of this when he sees what the Ripper did to Mary Kelly, whom he swore to protect moments before her death and finally breaks down in front of Watson over the realization that even though he has figured it all out, the cold bastards behind it will never be punished and all the people they have wronged will keep suffering.
• Harmonica in Once Upon a Time in the West remains calm for the most part, and even when he is annoyed it comes off as mild. But he's crying in the flashback of his brother's death.
• Marshall Pentecost raises his voice three times in Pacific Rim: first to shut up Hermann after Newt Drifts, then a short moment while chewing out Raleigh (before going back to his calm), and finally, raising his voice for the Rousing Speech.
• Predator The Magical Native American Billy is portrayed as The Stoic, but he out-of-character guffaws at a vagina joke in a Late to the Punchline moment. He then screams (offscreen) as the alien is killing him.
• Downplayed in Ripley's Game. When Jonathan asks Ripley if he's afraid while they're waiting for a bunch of mooks to come and try to kill them, he replies "No...I'm fucking terrified." Even then, his veneer of calm only cracks slightly.
• Maurice the orangutan from Rise of the Planet of the Apes is typically much less physically expressive than his fellow apes and usually has the same look on his face all the time, however he loses his composure twice. In the first movie, he gets an enraged expression after witnessing a chimpanzee get shot and fall off a bridge and again in the third movie he cries when Ceaser dies of his injuries.
• In Saving Private Ryan In the first ten minutes, Captain Miller sends a dozen of his men to their deaths on the beach at Normandy without blinking an eye. He's had 94 men under his command die since the war began. One of his lieutenants is blown in half while Miller tries to drag the wounded man to safety, a squad member dies after ignoring an order to leave refugees where they are, and he watches his medic die painfully, bleeding out crying for his mother and it only registers a scowl with Miller. After all that Miller angrily tells the squad's rookie to help the German who shot the medic bury the bodies after the inexperienced soldier begs for Miller to spare the German's life. Miller then stalks off to sit at the edge of a bomb crater to check his map and, while out of sight, bursts into uncontrollable sobbing as the horrors he and his men have endured come crashing down on him.
• The famous scene from Schindler's List when Oskar Schindler breaks down in front of all of the Jews that he saved. As the Tear Jerker page will attest, many tropers found this moment to be more than they could bear.
• In Serenity, when The Operative realises who Mal has brought with him to get past the blockade, he drops the calm, soft-spoken demeanor that he has exhibited throughout the movie and screams in terror:
Operative: Target the Reavers! Target the Reavers! Target everyone! SOMEBODY FIRE!
• A disturbing example in Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows is Moriarty cheerfully enjoying his chilling torture of Holmes.
• Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. When the killer turns out to be a prot
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Confusing the goal and the path
Say you are working on formulating a new scientific theory. You’re not there yet, but you broadly know what you want: a simple theory that powerfully compresses the core phenomenon, and suggests a myriad of new insights.
If you’re anything like me, at least part of you now pushes for focusing on simplicity from the get go. Let’s aim for the simplest description that comes easily, and iterate from that.
Did you catch the jump?
I started with a constraint on the goal — a simple theory — and automatically transmuted it into a constraint on the path — simple intermediary steps.
I confused “Finding a simple theory” with “Finding a simple theory simply”.
After first uncovering this in my own reasoning, I now see this pattern crop everywhere:
* (Well-calibration) I want to be well-calibrated. And it feels like I should thus ensure to only make judgments and claims I’m sure are well-calibrated. Yet if I do that, I’ll end up protecting the parts of my model where the confusion and the uncertainty lies, and starving my brain of updates.
* (Coherence) Another valuable property of mature scientific theories is coherence. And it feels like I should thus ensure that all my intermediary theories are coherent. Yet many examples in the history of science show that incoherent frames and theories can prove key in generating coherent and useful ones: Newton’s early calculus, Heaviside’s operational calculus, Kekule’s structure of benzene, Bohr’s atom, Dirac’s delta).
* (Winning) In competitive games (sports, board games, esports), the goal is to win. And it feels like becoming a winner means consistently winning. Yet if I aim to only win, the best course of action avoids stronger opponents and the valuable lessons they can explicitly and implicitly teach.
In the language of moral philosophy, this pattern amounts to adding a deontological spin on a consequentialist value. Even though it can prove valuable (in AI alignment for example), doing this unconsciously and automaticall
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Searching for consequence-imagining games for children
A friend of mine has a rather precocious daughter with poor impulse control, and asked if I knew any behavior games that encourage children to think out the consequences of actions before they do them.
I'm familiar with the Good Behavior Game and the like, but standard conditioning hasn't been very effective with this child in the past. She's quite clever about subverting rules when possible, and shutting down entirely when subversion fails.
Please, one suggestion per thread so that the karma thing can do its thing.
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it was better for Vader to engage in wordplay with them before he killed them.
• "We were promised a reward,” she gasped. “A h-h-handsome reward.“ "I am your reward,” the Sith Lord said. “You don’t find me handsome?”
• “You fought a war to destroy the Jedi.” Vader stood above the shivering Neimoidian, smiling down upon him, then fed him half a meter of plasma. “Congratulations on your success.”
• The head of the Techno Union turned at his approach, cringing, arms lifted to shield his faceplate from the flames in the dragon’s eyes. “Please, I’ll give you anything. Anything you want!” The blade flashed twice; Tambor’s arms fell to the floor, followed by his head. “Thank you.”
• But the absolute worst of them is the painfully bad pun Vader quips before he kills Nute Gunray;
Gunray: “The war is over-Lord Sidious promised-he promised we would be left in peace...”
Vader: “His transmission was garbled.” The blade came up. “He promised you would be left in pieces.”
A New Hope
• The movie had the first appearance (by film release) of the now-infamous Skywalker Whining Gene.
"Biggs is right, I'm NEVER gonna get out of here!"
• "I was going to go to the Tosche Station to pick up some power converterrrrs!" is Narm of the whiny variety.
"I thought you said this thing was fast!"
• "What's that flashing?!" *POINT*
• Luke's Big "NO!" when Obi-Wan gets cut down. It sounds more annoyed than angry. How about some fanart illustrating the Hereditary Narm theory?
• Ben Kenobi's appearance as a hooded figure swaying his arms to scare the Tuskens.
• Nobody wants to mention the new version of the Krayt Call in the Blu-Ray edition? For unfamiliar readers, in the VHS/DVD version, this used to sound like a high pitched, bellowing roar - no problems there. For the Blu-Ray, this has now been changed to something that can only be described as sounding like someone screaming "WHOOO" into a microphone in an inexplicably camp manner. It has also been described as sounding like "a dying orangutan", "Obi Wan having a cactus shoved up his ass", "a howler monkey on a karaoke machine" and other, more colorful comparisons.
• Vader's line "The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force" is important for introducing viewers to the then-new concept underlying much of the franchise, but the way Vader says it has a little bit of this. His casual tone as he addressed Admiral Motti with this important line makes it sound as if he was helpfully informing him about a new pie recipe he'd discovered, rather than expositing about the central metaphysical concept underlying the entire saga. What's worse, this is also supposed to be menacing, him sternly warning Motti of his ridiculously arrogant attitude, yet the delivery doesn't add much menace at all. The bit directly after it, however...
• When Tarkin finds out Leia lied to them, Vader makes a bizarre gesture at him after saying his line. Apparently his original line was longer, or just took longer to say, and the gesture was part of it. This was missed by the editors, resulting in Vader gesturing bombastically while saying nothing.
• At the Death Star, the heroes run into a squadron of Stormtroopers, they shout "Blast them!", Han fires off a single shot and the Stormtroopers turn and run. (That this was intended to be funny rather than being accidentally so is lampshaded by the fact that the chase reverses a few seconds later, once the Stormtroopers realize that Han and Chewie are not the only two members of a much larger force that happen to be visible, they're the only two, period.)
• The Stormtrooper Head Bump.
• The fat pilot named Porkins. Just try watching the scene the same way after RiffTrax.
• Learning that the cantina band from A New Hope were supposedly called the "Jizz Wailers". Accidental Innuendo? Perhaps. Narm? With a name like that, yes.
• And that entire style of music in the Star Wars'verse is called Jizz. Logically leading to musical sub-genres as hot jizz, cool jizz, smooth jizz, big band jizz... You get the idea. Even the Lucasfilm Story Group thought the name was too silly, that they renamed it to the more mundane but less suggestive "Bith jazz".
• Ben Kenobi trying to explain to Luke that it could have only been the "precise aim of Imperial Stormtroopers" that killed the Jawa caravan.
• Dear God, the Jabba scene. Long story short, the scene where Han arrives at the Falcon to find Jabba waiting for him was originally filmed for the theatrical release with a stand-in actor in a shaggy coat until an alien design could be inserted into the shot. However, the effect wasn't ready for the release, so the scene was cut from the '77 theatrical cut. Lucas inserted the scene back into the film for the 1997 special edition with a computer-generated model of Jabba digitally superimposed over the actor. The special effect was SHOCKINGLY bad even for the 90s. Thankfully, in later releases, the effect has been integrated far better, but it still doesn't look as real as the puppet in Return of the Jedi. However, the scene is still narmy for a great many reasons. First, the original blocking of the scene had Han walk behind Jabba at one point. Unfortunately, it was later determined that Jabba had a large and prominent tail that the actor obviously did not have. The solution? To digitally raise Harrison Ford as he crossed behind Jabba and add a pained scream from Jabba, implying that Han stepped on his tail! Not only does this insanely goofy slapstick moment completely break the scene, but it also makes no sense given the power dynamic between the two characters. Secondly, Han responds to Jabba's mercy by saying: "Jabba, you're a wonderful human being," when Jabba is anything but that. Third, Boba Fett is digitally inserted into the scene among Jabba's flunkies, and he pauses in the middle of the frame and looks straight into the camera before departing, placing an extremely un-subtle lampshade on his popularity in the fandom, and obliterating the fourth wall in the process.
• There is a rather infamous edit from the Special Edition in which the confrontation between Han Solo and Greedo is changed so that Greedo shoots first and Han dodges before killing his opponent. Ignoring the controversy about the change, the real hilarity comes from the edit itself, where because of a Special Effects Failure, it looks less like Han is dodging a shot meant for him and more like Greedo is missing his target at point-blank range.
The Empire Strikes Back
• Admiral Ozzel hamming up his death to Darth Vader's Force choke can come off looking more like a comedy act rather than a painful death.
• When the first Rebel Transports try to escape the blockade. One officer says "Good, our first catch of the day."
• "Bounty Hunters? We don't need their scum!" - "Yes, sir." What kind of answer is that? The best anyone can suggest was the officer replying to Admiral Piett's complaint in a way that blows him off without seeming insubordinate, and clearly said officer gave up one syllable through.
• Almost all of Han and Leia's "romantic" dialogue in the beginning of film sounds like it was written by and for children. "Your Highnessness", anyone?
• Although he is annoyed, there is nothing in the scene to justify Han's insanely angry-sounding shout at Leia, "You could use a good kiss!" which was probably heard throughout the base.
• Han's face when he's frozen in carbonite is downright hilarious.
• The "Ooooh!" Vader makes when Luke scores a hit on his arm. It sounds like he stubbed his toe.
• The Reveal at the end of the film was so shocking (at the time), people were willing to forgive the Big "NO!" from Luke.
Return of the Jedi
• Admiral Ackbar wants to remind you, "IT'S A TRAP!"
"Your tongues can't repel flavor of that magnitude!" —Robot Chicken Star Wars
• An Ewok dies; his companion shakes him to try to wake him, and then starts mourning. This was considered hilarious by a large number of fans. The Ewok is now nicknamed 'Corpsey'.
• Amusingly, Corpsey was given more sympathy than the entire planet of Alderaan (destroyed two films prior).
• Chewbacca's impression of Tarzan during the Battle of Endor. That scene could compete with Vader's Big "NO!" if it was more dramatic.
• The Force Kick.
• A Y-Wing pilot in Gray Squadron gets shot down, and before he crashes into the bridge of a Star Destroyer, he screams "I'm hiiiiit!" where "hit" sounds like "heeeeeet".
• The "glowing skeleton" effect when Vader is electrocuted by Palpatine. Seriously, it is the climax of the entire saga. Cartoonish special effects do not mix with such high drama and tragedy.
• Palpatine's line "an entire legion of my best troops awaits them" when five minutes of screentime ago, Han tapped one (who was alone, despite being part of this grand legion) on the shoulder while running in the other direction, causing the trooper to look the wrong way, then chase after him before getting caught by the group of rebels and surrendering.
• The musical number in Jabba's palace was narmy enough in the original version; the Special Edition upgrades it to a full-out song and dance routine that resembles the Little Shop of Horrors musical. You're too busy laughing to be impacted when Jabba suddenly sends one of his slave girls down into the pit to be eaten.
• The Blu-Ray release includes a rather infamous change that is considered one of the worst ones since the advent of the Special Editions. Originally, when Palpatine was electrocuting Luke, Darth Vader silently watched as he was, despite being masked and thus covering any facial expressions, visibly conflicted before overthrowing Palpatine in a Heroic Sacrifice and sparing his son's life. The Blu-Ray release adds a Little "No" followed by a Big "NO!", destroying quite a heavy amount of the emotion the scene had originally carried. The Big "NO!" deserves special mention for how corny and over-the-top it is in one of the most serious moments of the entire trilogy.
The Force Awakens
• Finn's first appearance in the trailer, with him popping up from out of frame, uncomfortably close to the camera and covered in sweat is so hard to take seriously that many thought it was a parody trailer until the scenes with the speeder and X-wings.
• The lightsaber with the crossguard can seem quite a bit silly to some, and for those its appearance in the teaser undercuts the serious tone of the scene. The two little blades don't look practical, and in fact seem downright dangerous to the user; this criticism is an update of complaints that developed during the days of the Original Trilogy regarding the feasibility of lightsabers in general. However, in the actual film, the extra blades prove to be very useful during a Blade Lock in a lightsaber duel.
• The narration from the teaser, an utterly generic statement said with as much portentousness as humanly possible. There's being vague to keep the story secret, and then there's saying "The dark side, and the light."
• Kylo Ren dramatically shoving his hand toward the camera in a shot that looks straight out of an especially gimmicky 3D movie from the '50s or '80s. (May cross into Narm Charm when you consider that's just the kind of thing the franchise was created to celebrate in the first place, but still...)
• Kylo Ren's voice in the theatrical trailer is rather silly-sounding to some. It sounds overly deep and mechanical (as in Dull Surprise, not in Vader's Evil Sounds Deep/Badass Baritone way). It's especially bizarre since the character's action figure, of all things, sounds far more natural and intimidating.
• The new Stormtroopers' helmets look like they have a Cat Smile. Good luck unseeing that. :3
• Hell, the Stormtrooper armor in general is pretty hard to take seriously. While the overuse of CGI was criticised for the Prequels, this armor just looks like cheap plastic, straight from the (by now 40 years old) set of A New Hope.
• Kylo Ren's unusual facial features can make certain dramatic scenes with his mask removed hard to take seriously. Not only the genetic lottery was not precisely kind to him, unlike his parents and grandparents, he also looks nothing like them, which stretches many viewers' suspension of disbelief.
• Some viewers have found it hard to take Snoke seriously after the scene where he is revealed to look like a giant version of Gollum, sitting on a throne. Others, as said before, find him hard to take seriously because they think his name sounds ridiculous. Still others find him hard to take seriously because he's CGI, unlike Ian McDiarmid's flesh-and-blood Palpatine.
• Snoke appears absolutely huge. But this is a hologram, not the actual character. Cue The Wizard of Oz jokes.
• Kylo Ren being a member of the "Knights of Ren". Cue the "Knights Who Say Ren" and "Knights of Stimpy" jokes.
• Andy Serkis's character being named Supreme Leader... Snoke. The fandom made many puns at the character's expense. Essentially, the response to the announcement was more-or-less the same as the response to the reveal that Palpatine's first name was Sheev.
• Similarly, there's a character on the good guy's side called Poe, like the Kung Fu Panda.
• Kylo Ren using telekinesis to keep a blaster bolt floating in place for minutes on end, while he's doing other things and not paying attention to it is a special kind of absurd you'd expect to see in a Star Wars parody as opposed to an official film. (And yes, this is played completely seriously.) Thankfully, he only uses the skill once.
• Similar to that, the blaster bolt and Poe being held in place while two stormtroopers run into frame and beat him up, all in one static shot, resembles a Monty Python skit instead of Star Wars.
• Poe and Finn's great escape being stopped suddenly... Because they forgot to unplug the damn fuel line. The moment is so absurd that it can easily kill all the tension of the escape to the spectator's eyes.
• Snoke's face being severely deformed is not a narmy thing per se, but the fact that his ears are separated from the horizontal plane by a good chunk makes his deformity unintentionally tongue-in-cheek.
• His impassioned delivery of the line: GENERAL!
• While his real model is pretty well made and achieves a genuinely creepy effect, his hologram image blurs his textures and make him look almost puffy and with his eyes completely black. He resembles more an Orc plushie than any other thing.
• Snoke's line "The droid we seek is onboard the Millennium Falcon... in the hands of your father: Han... Solo!" is meant as a Wham Line to the audience, but is awkward in-universe, as that's something Ren blatantly knows already.
• The tense scene where Rey goes inside Maz Kanata's basement, followed by BB-8 rolling down the stairs.
• One word: "TRAITOR!" Just the idea of a Stormtrooper, originally one of the most incompetent Mooks in film history, attempting to do something badass is beyond hilarious, but the idea of a Stormtrooper MANAGING to do something badass (in this case, effectively beating down a lightsaber-wielding main character) is downright out of the line.
• Rey's utterly flabbergasted reaction at hearing about Luke Skywalker. "Luke Skywalker? But... I thought he was a myth!" Considering that Luke went missing just some years earlier and that he was a pretty known public figure up to the point, her reaction is the equivalent of a real life person from present day being shocked at hearing that Pope Benedict XVI actually existed.
• This actually mirrors a line in A New Hope where Han scoffs at the existence of the Jedi Order and the Force, which was turned into an Early Installment Weirdness when the Prequels's timeline established Han had been alive while the Jedi Order was still active. The thing is that in The Force Awakens, he again gives a variation of the same line, only even more superlatively this time.
• Snoke telling Kylo that BB-8 is onboard the Falcon "along with your father...*dramatic pause*...Han Solo." While it's presumably put there because Viewers Are Morons, the fact is that the Falcon's passengers are: Chewbacca, who's almost certainly not Ren's father; Finn, who's far too young to be his father; Rey, who's not only the same age but also couldn't possibly be a father anyway; and Han. Who else could it possibly be?
• Kylo Ren's tendency to only refer to Han as "Han Solo" gets a little awkward during emotional moments, such as his duel with Rey.
• General Hux gets very expressive during his big speech, the intensity of which can be seen as... Debatable as he ramps up about the rise of the "first ordah." Domhnall Gleeson's clearly trying to invoke Hitler during his speeches, but many would say that he often came across as ridiculous-looking too.
• The Spanish dub made the speech even narmier, making Hux sound as if he was squealing in pain. Even worse, the emphasis used by the voice actor evokes an awful lot the Spanish narrator from Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo, which takes entirely away the seriousness of the scene if one happens to remember that.
• And right after the speech is done, all the stormtroopers and officers make a naziesque salute, like the producers are assuring us that we can see the connection, as if Hux's speech wasn't obvious enough already.
• The Kanjiklub mobsters. Not only their hairdos are seriously ridiculous, their gang name sounds more like a highschool anime convention than a menacing galactic crime faction. Even worse, the fact that they basically go down without putting a fight, considering who the guys who play them are, only makes their apparition harder to watch without laughters or ill feelings.
• Then there's The Guavian Death Gang. The name sounds like they are a bunch of tropical fruit lovers who kill people by drowning them in Guava juice.
• Many also chuckle at Bala-Tik's Scottish accent and opening line, "'an Solo! Yew'r eh DED MAHN!" (the last three words delivered with a disapproving head-shake). His accent and delivery is also the reason "Tell that to Kanjiklub" became a meme.
• The Rathtars. They're these horrifying beasts but the way they move about makes them so unbelievably GOOFY!
• When Kylo Ren confronts Rey and Finn during the climax, he screeches "TRRAAIITTOORRR!!!" at Finn in the most whiny, over the top fashion imaginable.
• After Chewbacca shoots him in the stomach, Kylo Ren spends the rest of the movie running around bleeding. It's actually pretty threatening, as it really shows how determined he is to stop the heroes. But that feeling's somewhat lessened when he starts punching himself in the wounded area every few minutes.
• The scene has a meaning in-universe: Kylo is trying to accentuate his pain and anger, and therefore, his darkside power. However, viewers who aren't familiar with the Star Wars lore might probably not know this, so many of them may even end up believing this action is an exceptionally poor portrayal of attempting to stop the bleeding. Rey and Finn's own visibly confused reactions to the wound-punching only make it worse.
• Aside from the fact that punching your wounds isn't a good idea in any galaxy, Adam Driver decided to depict his pain with hilariously loud grunts and an emotionless face. For many who thought Kylo was an Emo stereotype, the focus on self-harm made it even harder to take him seriously.
• In the proceeding scene, Kylo Ren is caught in an exploding facility, several floors below Rey and Finn. Rey and Finn flee the facility into the forest, where they encounter... Kylo Ren, who somehow escaped the explosion, and gone around them in order to ambush them in the forest, covering more ground than them in the same amount of time, uphill, and while wounded and heavily bleeding. "By all accounts, it doesn't make sense."
• Leia's reaction when Han dies. She looks less grief-stricken and more like someone who lost her poker bet. Finn's face is not much better.
• The last shot in the film: Rey and Luke Skywalker meet, face-to-face, for the first time. Luke turns to look at her. Rey wordlessly offers him his old lightsaber. The two stare at each other motionlessly for a long while... And then keep staring... And don't stop staring at each other until the credits start rolling. One wonders how awkward the scene would be without the dramatic swelling music.
• Wonder no longer. The narm scales up exponentially when you realize that this is how the characters, in-universe, are perceiving this scene.
• Rey, as well as several other characters in the film, offers the lightsaber with the saber end first, rather than the safer handle end. One wonders if Luke's refusal to accept it might be to avoid the inevitable accident.
• A number of viewers thought how it was shot (shaky camera from a circling helicopter) to be cheesy. Someone on a podcast said the final shot looked like it was from an 80s show like Miami Vice.
• This scene (and many others in The Force Awakens) relies on nostalgia in order to have an emotional impact. The film got mixed to negative reactions in China particularly in part because Star Wars was not seen much in post-Cultural Revolution China at the time of its original release, and as such did not embed in the popular cultural consciousness, causing many Chinese viewers to leave the theater not happy to see a beloved character again, but instead wondering: "who's that old hobo?"
The Last Jedi
• The first line in the teaser trailer is someone (possibly Luke) saying, "Breathe... Just... Breathe..." which, honestly, sounds like an Anna Nalick reference.
• When Snoke's look was revealed, fans were underwhelmed when he was shown to be wearing what appears to be an open-necked golden jumpsuit or bathrobe, which prompted many comparisons to Donald Trump, Hugh Hefner, The Grandmaster and Goldmember. This came to the extent that many theorized, half joking, that he maybe he just woke up and couldn't get dressed in time.
• It actually got MORE ridiculous when the visual dictionary for the film revealed that he's wearing golden slippers during the entirety of the movie. Perhaps the suit is a bathrobe or a dressing gown after all.
• The trailer's repeated use of the word "raw."
• Kylo Ren's theme sounds a lot like Sideshow Bob's music in The Simpsons (itself lovingly ripping off Cape Fear).
• The bandage Kylo Ren is wearing on his face. It looks silly enough on its own but it's compounded by the fact that it's black, as if Kylo made sure it went with his outfit before he put it on.
• Kylo Ren throws his ship into a seemingly pointless spin during the opening space battle. Because it's a good trick.
• The internal shot of the ship as it's spinning, with Kylo just sitting there emotionless as the shot rotates multiple times.
• The Action Prologue is so dense that it can be hard to get a lot of emotional impact out of most of it before it's all gone past. With the possible exception of an injured Tico attempting to release the bombs before her ship is destroyed, which is quite dramatic.
• The Resistance's usage of large, cumbersome bombers clearly based on the B-17 bomber that need to be above their target to drop their payload is already quite silly, but it gets especially ridiculous when a single TIE fighter crashing into one of the bombers causes a disastrous chain reaction that destroys almost every bomber in the fleet but one. It's almost like a scene from Family Guy Presents: Laugh It Up, Fuzzball.
• Leia flying through space with the Force after being blown out of a spaceship. It looks goofy, like something out of a superhero movie or from Mary Poppins.
• Poe's overexcitement and lack of Danger Deadpan throughout any dogfight since previous movie can sometimes ruin a moment, but his yelling "Uaaghh!" when landing his X-Wing inside Raddus after the disastrous bombing run sounds really ridiculous and ruins the tension, making him sound like too emotional/excited after finishing a particularly difficult (and an unauthorized one, for that matter) task.
• During the Action Prologue and later while Leia is flying back to the ship, there are shots of Poe yelling (note: the audio has been removed) so it just sort of looks awkward for him to be yelling in slow motion with no sound.
• Vice-Admiral Holdo's hair color. Next to nonhuman Resistance members like Admiral Ackbar, she is basically a human with purple hair, which looks like someone out of a B-movie Space Opera flick or the Capitol. Even worse, she's not exactly as young as the common type of people who dye their hair those colors, which helps it to make her look less like a military commander and more like an eccentric hippie aunt. Her jarring fashion sense is better explained in outside material, but her character displays none of her informed quirky personality in the film proper (rather the opposite, actually).
• Also, the fact that Holdo is wearing a pink dress while commanding military troops. It doesn't look aesthetically pleasing or practical in any way, and if you know and appreciate military etiquette, you can also argue it is extremely disrespectful to her underlings.
• Every time the film cuts back to the Raddus being pursued by several Star Destroyers could be seen as this. The idea is that the Raddus has just enough fuel to stay out of striking range of the First Order's weapons, but this is depicted by what seems to be a very slow, unimpressive chase, with the Star Destroyers occasionally firing a few stray shots which impact harmlessly on the Raddus' shields. It seems a little too reminiscent of the low-speed white Bronco chase that led to OJ Simpson's arrest.
• Lieutenant Connix, played by Carrie Fisher's daughter Billie Lourd, tends to deliver many of her lines with more volume than nuance. Somehow it manages to rob most of the drama from the scene of her transport narrowly escaping the destruction of the Resistance base via Orbital Bombardment in the film's intro.
• The Force bond between Rey and Kylo Ren brings its own load of narm. For starters, the Foe Romance Subtext between Rey and Kylo Ren could cut down the poignancy of their relationship: the idea is that they're becoming attached and understanding through organic means, but if they're attracted to each other, then hormones are part of the equation...
• Kylo Ren's Shirtless Scene is somewhat undercut by the fact that he is either wearing yet another black bandage on his belly (presumably for the wound he sustained from Chewbacca's bowcaster the previous film) or his pants above his navel.
• When Rey reaches out her hand to Kylo Ren through their Force bond (while Kylo is light years away, mind you), we get a close-up of her hand, and Kylo's hand slowly pokes its way into the shot before we even see the rest of him. Such a ridiculous image in a very tense and emotional scene can cause stifled snickers... Especially thanks to the size difference between their hands.
• During a personal talk with Rey, Kylo Ren gives her some super edgy, delusional and unhealthy life advice about dealing with her problems, providing some insight into his villainous motivations. It's even more amusing and over-the-top in the film's theatrical trailer, where Kylo's advice was played up for maximum drama.
Kylo Ren: Just let the past die. Kill it, if you have to. It's the only way to become what you're meant to be.
• Even though it is deliberately done as a homage to the original films, the usage of a puppet to portray Yoda for talking to Luke looks inevitably underwhelming and shoddy next to the admittedly impressive CGI used in Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith.
• For some viewers, the entire Canto Bight sequence took them out of the movie, because it came off like a place you would see in the Harry Potter or Guardians of the Galaxy universes rather than being something out of Star Wars.
• There's no getting around the fact that a major part of the film is Rose and Finn getting arrested, and then escaping from prison and missing out on the Master Codebreaker, because they had parked illegally.
• Made worse by Joseph Gordon-Levitt's character later referring to them as the "shuttle parkers" in what seems to be an impression of Disney's Goofy, as if explicitly calling attention to the blatant ridiculousness of it.
• Just how ridiculously over the top and on the nose evil all the clientele in Canto Bight is. Just add Hunger Games to the above mix for the complete experience. They cannot just have horse-races - no, a jockey must prod his mount with a shocker right in front of the onlooking heroes! Have droids tending to the animals? Not evil enough! Only slaves, scratch that, child slaves, who have to sleep in the same stalls as the horses. At one point a patron literally twirls his... facial tendrils. Because he's rich and evil.
• DJ's weird stutter detracts from certain moments where what he's saying is supposed to be taken seriously. The fact that the impediment itself is apparently being played for coolness, however, is ridiculous and even potentially offensive.
• That Finn and Rose decide to bring with them a random stranger they met in prison, who might have told them just what they wanted to hear, instead of the guy they had traveled there to find in the first place, is something hard to find outside of a comedy film. It would have been shocking that such a move didn't end up backfiring on their faces.
• Speaking of which, Finn and Rose becoming shocked that the self-serving thief "DJ" (who they just busted out of prison, clearly works for money rather than any ideals, and has openly emphasized his philosophy that the only way to survive is to not pick a side)... GASP! BETRAYED THEM?!?!? is pretty hilarious.
• Kylo Ren killing Snoke? Dramatic and unexpected. Snoke's ridiculous tongue-tied expression as the upper half of his corpse lies on the floor? Not so much. Snoke's bottom half falling off the chair for no apparent reason minutes after his death? Hilarious.
• Also, this happens right after Snoke boasts about how he can never be betrayed. His look of shock at being betrayed is now extra hilarious.
• The reason Snoke is caught off-guard? Apparently his mind-reading ability is just plain bad, since he can only sense a general intent to kill from Kylo, without a clue who the intended victim is. It really makes you wonder how he's lasted this long.
• Snoke being instantly killed by the bisection compares unfavorably to Darth Maul, because while the latter fell to an apparently miles deep pit aside from being cleaved, he actually survived. In contrast, Snoke just dies in the act, looking shocked, without even twitching a bit.
• While the fight scene between Rey and Kylo against the Praetorian guard looks awesome, but some keen-eyed viewers can take notice to a few flaws:
• The Force kick makes a comeback when Rey kicks one guard, but the one besides him also gets knocked down.
• In another moment Kylo slams his sword to the ground and one Praetorian hits his blade instead of his exposed torso. Also in the same shot, one guard runs spinning for some reason after Rey deflects his blow.
• It was a cool way to dispatch of one guard, but why on earth were there enormous shredding blades right in the middle of Snoke's throne room? At least it sort of made sense to have a massive pit in the Emperor's throne room, it being on top of an enormous spire, but in this case it is just pointless. Seeing the poor sap getting pulverized may cause viewers of a certain age to say, "What have we got on this ship, a Cuisinart?"
• One of the extras playing a Praetorian looks off-screen for his cue, realises he is still in frame, does a Double Take, and hobbles back into the action.
• Probably what has become the most infamous error was how a duel-wielding Praetorian guard that was facing off against Rey has one of his blades magically disappearing during the fight. It's as if the editing team realized that the original scene looked stupid showing the guard off with a free left arm not taking the opportunity to stab Rey in the back with his second blade, so they tried to cover it up rather than just completely redo the scene.
• Finn's duel with Phasma, in the cavernous Mega Star Destroyer hangar bay which is engulfed in flames and wreckage? Awesome. Their duel, backdropped by BB-8, in a hijacked AT-ST walker, wantonly laying waste to hordes of Stormtroopers and generally wreaking havoc? Hilarious.
• Super Star Destroyer somehow wasn't so bad, but Mega Star Destroyer just sounds kind of corny.
• Rose coming to long enough to give Finn a moving little speech and a quick kiss, before dramatically fainting again the next moment. Finn's utterly confused facial expression doesn't help.
• The line itself, "That's how we'll win - not fighting what we hate, but saving what we love" is also this for many, especially since in this case fighting what you hate is done in order to save what you love.
• Worse enough? Rose preventing Finn's sacrifice at all is stupid. Not only does it allow the First Order entry to the rebel base, there were multiple pilots who had died minutes before for the sole purpose of destroying the cannon. Sure, Finn was going against orders and was sure to die, but he would have saved them all by doing so (and it would have been a great end for Finn's arc, as well to give Poe a real reason not to be so reckless with his squadrons).
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